My unpopular positions

[salinen]

- I would like Lamont to make a deal with Joe. Lamont drops out if Joe goes back to Dem.

- I would like all gays who wish marriage to wait until we capture congress to push this issue.

- I wish Hollywood would go out in force backing Dems and overwhelm the pundits.

- I think it's silly to depict Foley as a sexual beast on some sick power trip. He has a boner for young men.

[ronnykmarshall]

1. Oh dear ...

:hide:

[ThomCat]

2. Yes, I can imagine that those are unpopular positions.

I imagine you have reasons for them, but I can't even guess what those would be.

[Kerrytravelers]

3. Popcorn, anyone?

:popcorn:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

4. I brought beer

:beer:

I think we'll need it to wade through this one.

[jobycom]

7. I should have brought a ten foot pole

[Richard Steele]

9. Oh my. Could y'all two scoot over abit?

"Thanks!"
:popcorn: ......:popcorn:...... :popcorn:

[niyad]

14. can't drink beer--but I brought the wine and cheese!!

[Parche]

42. beer

Only if its Heineken you must share!!!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. You're right, those are unpopular positions.

And for good reasons.

What do you want, a pat on the back?

[bullimiami]

6. 1) no deals with joe. 2) this is a human rights issue. They have the right to

speak up whenever they want. and should.

3) I agree.
4) Foley does have a boner for young men including illegally young men. He is a hypocrite of the first order and he is on a sexual power trip imo. besides being a liar and now apparently an alcoholic.

[salinen]

16. Too many are attempting

to make the argument that being sexually attractive to boys with mens equipment as being worthy of institutionalization.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

31. Don't confuse having a right with being right.

Gays *have* every right to say whatever they choose, but at present pushing to loudly for gay marriage is often actually *detrimental* to gay rights, as the good it does in convincing more people to agree with you will often be outweighed by the harm it does in making anti-gay people rank the issue more highly, and thus getting out votes for anti-gay politicians. If, like me, you believe that it's better to *do* good than to *be* right then calling for the right to gay marriage in America is something to do very carefully, if at all - "leave it to the states" is the approach most likely to pay dividends, I think, as it will result in it being legal in a few places rather than nowhere.

I fully agree that everyone *has* the right to say what they like about the issue, but I don't think that's the relevant question.



As to "no deals with Joe", I think that's a very shortsighted attitude - if it makes the difference between a Republican-controlled and a Democratic-controlled Senate then I'm all for it, and you can bet that most of the Democratic rest of the party will be too.

[TahitiNut]

8. Yep. Identical to this unpopular position.

[Richard Steele]

10. Your brevity is matched only by your eloquence. nm

[William769]

11. Your post bets sums up this OP.

[warrens]

12. On the last one

He seemed to be using the proximity to promise further positions in DC if the pages would assume the position once they turned 18. That sounds like an abuser and a power trip to me.

[salinen]

25. Not unlike many

college professors.

[Cameron27]

13. Well..

No, never happen & not a good idea

No, no, no

Yes

Foley is a sexual beast who has a boner for young men and just like the rest of his party's freaks, his degenerate power trip makes me sick.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

15. fucking bravo!

your unpopular positions are hardly so controversial since a lot of right wing america and most cowardly politicians dont want gays to have marriage rights either

joe goes back to dem but votes with repubs...this helps us how?

about the foley thing...i dont even understand your position

[salinen]

19. We need every Dem pickup in the Senate

even if it's Joe. Imagine the leadership positions. Senate majority leader. Joe's an ass. But I've seen worse.

Foley. He behaves like a normal old queen.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. normal queens dont run after 16 year olds

atleast not the ones i know....

[salinen]

27. go hang at the greyhound bus terminal sometime

Why greyhound bus terminals. ????

[Greyhound]

29. Smile when you say that...

;):hi:

[Der Blaue Engel]

35. See, this is just one of the places where your unpopular opinion

is actually bigotry: if you're seeing chickenhawks outside of Greyhound bus terminals, you automatically label them "normal old queens." Please do not presume to define "normal" for a class to which you do not belong.

[ScreamingMeemie]

17. yes, your positions are not only unpopular...

they are stupid. Well, three out of four for sure.

[bicentennial_baby]

38. i LOVE you!

:rofl:

:yourock:

:loveya:

:hug:

[cally]

18. Am I the first one to rebut you??

First, Lamont won the Democratic primary. He owes nothing to Joe. Joe is playing a game that he may win but Lamont cannot get involved in. Lieberman is trying to appeal to Dems by claiming senority and experience and at the same time trying to appeal to Reps with his support for Bush. Lamont needs to win by being a Democrat and the opposition. It may not work but trying to negotiate with a sleezy eel will always fail.

I look back at history and I see many leaders tell women to just wait their turn. We'll get back to your issues eventually. That's how I see gay rights. From a purely political perspective, I just wish I didn't have to defend gay marriage. It's not a winning issue for Dems but then I remember. We can't choose our time for political battles. We have to stand up when we need to. I refuse to not stand up for my friends and their civil rights.

Hollywood supports Arnie. I appreciate their mostly Dem support but they don't support the Dem agenda overall.

Ahh, Foley. This isn't about sanity. Let's just use the scandal to win.

[salinen]

21. We've had many conservative Dems

who were equal to Joe in wrongheadedness. Joe will win. I want those chairmenships to be Dem.

[cally]

30. He will win and he's an idiot

I often wonder how men like him come to be where they are. I can't figure it out. Reid is probably trying to make amends and get him onboard. I wouldn't want his job.

[salinen]

32. Idiot Joe

what a shitstain.

[LSK]

20. Foley was on a power trip??? I thought it was the Repugs covering it up

You might want to know your issues a little better.

[Zhade]

22. You are advocating for lieberman. That is against DU rules.

NT!

[salinen]

28. No, he makes me sick.

but Connecticut decides. And it looks like they want him.

[Zhade]

34. You stated that you want Lamont to drop out.

You SOUND like you are advocating for lieberman. If you're not, be aware that it's not clear at first glance.

(And he makes me sick, too.)

[salinen]

37. Lamont, I believe, will lose.

In that case I would like to see Lieberman a Dem and not an I. Both houses baby.

[RB TexLa]

24. I'll bite

1. I don't care much one way or the other who wins, both are registered Democrats one is further left than I the other further right. Both men have made their decision to seek the office and neither of them is going to quit.

2. People who see rights they want do not stop pushing for them.

3. There are liberals, conservatives, and everything else in the political spectrum working in the entertainment industry, and these people will choose as everyone else when they want to and to what level the involve themselves in political events. It isn't up to anyone else to expect them to do otherwise.

4. I depict Mark Foley as someone who might have broken employment and or laws regarding sexual relations with underage persons, law enforcement will decide. As far as the politics of it people will use scandal however they feel best to use it.

Your one statement of fact appears to be true that "He (Mark Foley) has a boner for young men." In itself is nothing, people can have a "boner" for anyone or anything legal or not, it's when they chose to act on the "boner" that it becomes something.


I'm not flaming you just replying to what you put up for discussion, everyone has opinions and most have some that are unpopular with like minded people. Discussion and debate between people that agree all the time is pretty boring.

[salinen]

26. Stop being rational

My statements were emotional.

[WildEyedLiberal]

33. What's the point of a post like this?

It's not like you're making a reasoned and lucid argument for any of the above positions - no, you're just stating de facto that these are your "unpopular" positions just for the sake of being some kind of DU iconoclast.

Seriously, what's the point of a post like this? Do you think you're somehow projecting yourself as a courageous individualist unafraid to go against the grain? This post just smacks of attention mongering for its own sake and makes you look combative and argumentative.

Look, I have opinions that are not shared by the majority of DUers, either, but I also don't start defiant threads stating "I am a DU pariah because I believe in ____!" in a passive-aggressive attempt to prove that I am a "free thinker" because I disagree with the majority of DUers. If you back up your beliefs with sound reasoning, most DUers will respect you for it, and the ones who insist on flaming you anyway are assholes and don't matter. But when you post them in a way that makes you sound like a self-styled martyr who desperately seeks validation, you can't really be surprised with the response you receive.

[salinen]

36. Not looking for a fight

or attention. These are my concerns, and I like bouncing them in to check my logic. But you're right that I needed to elaborate and not stick them out there like a talking point.

Thanks

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

43. Could've fooled us.

:eyes:

[KharmaTrain]

39. Need A Flame Suit?

An interesting email rumor...and I emphasis rumor I got the other day speculated that the Lieberman/Lamont race was a set-up by Harry Reid and other Democrats. The gist being that this race would distract both the "far left" and Rove and have both focus their attention and resources (money) on those races while taking it away from other critical races. The theory goes that Lieberman is playing up to the right but after the election will "come home", do a Bob Smith and be a "good Democrat". Take this theory for what its worth. In any event, here's hoping those new Lamont ads move the Independents off center.

Foley is a sexual predator...his sexual orientation confuses the issue that should be the cover-up of his actions and the overall corruption of the Repugnican leadership. After the elections there needs to be on-going investigations into ALL the crimes and cover-ups.

[Sapphocrat]

40. Nice flamebait. n/t

[uppityperson]

41. ah. My unpopular postitions:

those that do not involve face to face interactions, that's about all.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

44. I'm going to lock this.

Mod consensus is that this has turned into a flamewar.

best,
wakemeupwhenitsover
DU Moderator