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slybacon9 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 04:51 PM
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PLEASE READ: How to HACK/STOP electronic voting machines.
Logic follows that a safe is only as secure as the confidentiality of its combination.

As long as the safe's combination is only known by a few, the safe is still functional.

If the combination is given to everyone, the safe is no longer a "safe" and is therefore rendered invalid and useless.

A new safe must be found.




Recently i wrote a post called "How to stop voting machines (for reals)". You don't have to read it, as i am going to restate most of it again but hopefully in a more coherent way. (here it is anyway...)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2460446&mesg_id=2460446

It was based on this article that was posted on the DU homepage about a democratic legislator that received discs in the mail anonymously that could be used to hack into a Diebold machine. Suddenly ABC was reporting that the elections might be skewed. That's all it took for this article... one politician receiving a disc. (this is important to remember)
http://www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/Technology/story?id=2596705&page=1

A week ago i was reading Harper's Index and I came across this statistic: "Minutes it took a Princeton researcher to hack into a Diebold voting machine in September: 1"

Now, what occured to me was that the reason voting box hacking has been successful is that only the people doing the hacking have the combination. In other words, a thief never wants his methods to be discovered, as then they can be blocked. This administration doesn't want people to have the combination to the safe --not because people would use it to do "bad" things-- but because it will render their system of corruption useless.

Solution: Give everyone the combination.

If everyone has access to the combination, whether or not it is ever used to hack anything, it renders the system obsolete. I repeat, no hacking will ever have to be done. Case in point: the attention given to just one ex democratic legislator who received the discs with the combination.

Let's say EVERY politician, on both sides of the line was sent discs with the combination... and then every voter... stacks available at polling stations. Imagine the possibilities -- imagine the outcome. How could any result from any machine ever be considered accurate? How could a government in their right mind continue to use this system? And how could a people support said government?

FAQs (well not yet, but im assuming...):

•Isn't that information already on the internet?
Yes, in different locations you can see videos of people doing it. And there are what looks like several techniques. However, there are direct ways... codes... that can be used as well. Get the codes. It must also be noted that even though it is on the internet, people are still brutally unaware. It is our job to distribute the information.

Our only technique in fighting voting machines has been to point at the problem and scream about it. Letters to politicians, protests, etc. To no virtually no effect. We need to take a page out of Karl's playbook: to solve a problem, just create a bigger problem.

Imagine this information being spread around like Paris Hilton's sex video, and there you have it.

•So how do you plan on getting the codes?
How does anyone get a CD before it is released... it's out there. With a simple google search i found the researcher at Princeton who hacked the machines in September. His name is Edward Felten. I encourage you to watch his demo, and read his paper and perhaps even write him an email.
http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/voting/
Again, it's out there. And i know we have some pretty ingenious people here at DU who know how to get things...

•Is this illegal?
Honestly I have no idea. But i can't imagine getting arrested for more noble a cause. We are not trying to subvert democracy, we are trying to save it. And as we know, lives are on the line here. Not allowing people the information on voter box hacking is like withholding the evidence of how cigarettes can kill you. They still want you to smoke... They still want you to vote... they know full well that both are bad for your health.

To keep in mind: The reason there is hardly any talk, and even less action, against voting machines is that they continue to work just fine for half the population. We can kick and scream all we like, but until it could possibly effect everyone, nothing will be done.... When you are on the freeway, and an accident happens blocking traffic in the left two lanes, the right two lanes continue to flow --usually with the thought, "sucks to be them".

But if there is a chance that one of the cars in that accident might explode... no one tries to pass.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 05:00 PM
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1. Excellent post!!!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 05:08 PM
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2. The Dems are hoping the election won't have any computer glitches?
that we'll have an honest election, Dems are weak when you consider what your dealing with
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 05:08 PM
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3. Awesome post! A "must read!"
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cdsilv Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 05:37 PM
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4. Magnets......n/t
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 05:52 PM
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5. People want to ignore the obvious & just believe the polls...they better
be donating to the Dems running, instead of just "dancing".

Good post!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 06:17 PM
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6. I love the way that you think:
outside the black box!
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slybacon9 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 09:59 PM
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7. ha, exactly!!!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 11:08 PM
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8. Um, it really doesn't work the way you're thinking...
In order to steal a machine in less than a minute, it takes time to write the code which is then compiled and then properly formatted onto the memory card. Then you're ready to hack in less than a minute.

See the 'code' refers to source code, the studied-human readable form of instructions to the computer and not a code like a lock combination or a cd-key.

Further to steal an entire election a little at a time would require you to modify the code as it exists into a nefarious form, then transform that into a viral package, then spread the viral package to a critical mass of machines that will share memory cards. 1 per precinct should do.

Don't get me wrong, the danger is real and I expect this election will be cracked, but defending against a cracked election with your method just won't work without enough people having the know how and the lead time to prep it.

-Hoot
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slybacon9 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 01:18 AM
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11. Thanks for this... and/but
i am still very interested, as i think we all should be. And i think we need to keep discussing it. Working with computers day to day, and have a very rough knowledge of these things, i had a feeling what you say is true... but, as with all objects of technology, the achilles heel will be exposed more and more over time. Even if posts like mine serve to spark a discussion like this, i think it serves. So thanks...
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 11:36 PM
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9. The combination? You mean the password? Easy. It;s 0000 or 1111
That's the factory default password. Studies show they almost never get changed when deployed to polling sites.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 11:43 PM
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10. The freepers went INSANE over this yesterday
Part of what got me banned. They insisted, could not see it any other way, that you're (we're) advocating hacking the machines and stealing the election. They don't understand the "if everyone has the combination" metaphor, although, curiously, "if everyone has guns there would be no crime" is a very republican sentiment they DO understand. All they read is that we have the code and DU is enlisting democrats from coast to coast to hack the machines and steal the election.

If we manage to take it on November 7, you can be sure they'll be right there, saying "SEE! They hacked the machines!"

It's a fucking asylum in freeperland. I swear to god, I don't think a one of them grad-jee-ated from the fifth grade.

Great post, btw, if I didn't say it the last time.

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slybacon9 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 01:20 AM
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12. ha... i had no idea... well, looks like it might be time to take a trip to
Freeperland! Better get my hazmat suit on....
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 01:25 AM
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13. How about industrial magnets?
Say, the ones used in wind turbines? I have 12 of them.


I am an absentee voter and have not entered a voting enclave in years, but..... what about industrial magnets?
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 06:30 AM
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14. locking....
DU does not endorse criminal behavior.
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