St. Louis Cardinal against Stem Cell research

[Jack_Dawson]

Another reason to root for the Tigers!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15415763?GT1=8618

:toast:

[longship]

1. My home town Tigers!!!

My favorite Tiger team was the 1961 team. They didn't win that year, but they were awfully fun to watch. 1968 was a cool year, too, when they *did* win it all--against the St Louis Cardinals no less.

Hope my Tiges win again this year.

[Jack_Dawson]

2. Tigers have won me over...

hope they go all the way. I'm over St. Louis.

[oasis]

3. Washed up qb Kurt Warner is also with that sorry group.

[Jack_Dawson]

4. Is he REALLY?

I was feeling sorry for him up until you pointed that out. Link?

[oasis]

7. I saw him on an ad with the "Everbody Loves Raymond" gal and others

who were countering the M.J. Fox ad. IIRC,it was played on MSNBC's "Hardball".

[saged52]

5. I'm a lifelong Cardinal fan -

being from the St. Louis metro area - and I must say I am thoroughly disgusted and ashamed. I understand the anti-stem cell research ad was to be shown prior to the game this evening - which was rained out. Does anyone know if it was aired - or will it be rescheduled just like the game? That is some pretty pricey advertising time.

[bunkerbuster1]

20. I'd been rooting (weakly) for the Cards, but when Soup's on

I want him shelled and yanked in the first inning.

[thatsrightimirish]

6. This is so pathetic

McCaskill puts on a person that actually has parkinson's and is making an emotional appeal and the best that they can come up with is some out of the blue baseball player and kurt warner? Do thy really think that voters in Missouri will really think, "Oh Kurt Warner is against stem cell research so Michael J Fox can suffer for the rest of his life." Give me a damn break. If Barry Bonds came and told me that the Iraq war was right that wouldn't change my opinion at all.

[WildEyedLiberal]

8. Mixing sports and politics is stupid

I'm pretty sure there are probably Tigers players who are conservative Republicans, too. Am I disappointed that Jeff Suppan is a Repuke? You bet. Very much so. But that has what to do with baseball or the Cardinals as a team?

Yeah, I remember in 2004 how everyone here was trying to conflate the Red Sox into the "Democratic team" and the Cardinals into the "Republican team"... and then Curt Schilling came out and stumped for Bush. And that should illustrate the idiocy of trying to make sports into a political allegory.

[Jack_Dawson]

9. I get that -

But I see no Tigers stumping for this idiocy. Yet. So...they still have my backing. :beer:

[Neecy]

40. Lots of RW thumpers in baseball, unfortunately

To even the score, here's a quote from Tigers closer Todd Jones when he was pitching for the Rockies (and the team had to issue an apology for his remarks):

Colorado Rockies pitcher Todd Jones, a 6-foot, 3-inch pitcher from Marietta, Ga., said an openly gay player would create a hostile locker-room environment, and that opposing pitchers would likely throw intentionally at his head.

"I wouldn't want a gay guy being around me," Jones said. "It's got nothing to do with me being scared. That's the problem: All these people say he's got all these rights. Yeah, he's got rights or whatever, but he shouldn't walk around proud. It's like he's rubbing it in our face. 'See me, hear me roar.' We're not trying to be close-minded, but then again, why be confrontational when you don't really have to be?"

http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/003048.php

[Jack_Dawson]

49. An openly gay player in baseball

would be suicidal on the openly gay player's part. Baseball locker rooms aren't exactly masterpiece theater.

[Bill McBlueState]

58. I suppose they said that about Jackie Robinson

but some brave soul always has to be first.

[saged52]

10. yes it is stupid -

but this will become a reflection of the Cardinal team as a whole and perhaps the city of St. Louis during a very high profile time. It's a definite disruption to sports in general and possibly within the team. I have no idea when Suppan filmed this ad or if he was aware it was to be aired prior to a world series game. I agree the mix is stupid as hell - but it's already out there big time.

[WildEyedLiberal]

11. Oh Good God

So now one man speaks for the entire team - nay - the entire city of St. Louis?

Jesus, so did Curt Schilling speak for Boston when he endorsed Bush in the waning days of the 2004 campaign?

[saged52]

13. no - absolutely not

I hate what he said - it is disgusting. But from what I have read elsewhere his statement is already being received as a generic slam to the Cardinals. That is my whole point. His narrow-minded stance should not represent any team or city as a whole. However; I worry that is what will happen.

[WildEyedLiberal]

14. Well, it's what's happening on DU unfortunately

Because for some reason unknown to me people want to turn this into Suppan = Cardinals = Republicans - I've seen at least 5 threads on this on DU tonight already. The next thing they'll say is Cardinals fans must be freepers, too - first the "get a brain morans" guy had a Cardinals shirt, and now Suppan is a fundie - well, obviously all Cardinals fans are freepers, then!

Suppan was INCREDIBLY stupid to open his mouth about politics in the middle of the World Series his team is playing - he's GOT to know that there are plenty of Democratic Cardinals fans. I'm very pissed at him. But it also disappoints me to see people, for reasons unknown to me, spinning this as "the Cardinals are freepers!" Because obviously, if one member of a group is a freeper, they all are. :eyes:

Argh, sorry for the rant. I think I should just go to bed.

[Jack_Dawson]

19. Look, WEL - your team stands for repukes,

and the Tigers stand for gritty, working-man democrats. Don't fight it! :hi:

[rinsd]

34. "Tigers stand for" cheating, I guess this year Duer should root for no one

[Jack_Dawson]

36. What cheating? It was Dirt!

He wiped it off in INNING #1, and they couldn't hit him through INNING #8!

[rinsd]

37. Dirt my ass.

It was also on his hand for several games as far back as July. Who accidently gets their hands dirty in that manner that many times?

Though I would also suspect roids with Rogers as he went from a near dispassionate player to a nutso who attacked a camera man and his Clemens act this year.

Keep believing a 40+ picther suddenly picked up 3 miles on his fastball and throw his off speed pitches with a break not seen since he was in his prime 10 years ago. Maybe Pudge told him where to get the good stuff.

The gambler got caught with extra aces and will join Mike Scott on the list of basebal cheater who ain't so lovable (your Gaylord Perry, Whitey Ford etc who played in a era where cheating was a wink and a nod)

[Jack_Dawson]

48. How do you explain EIGHT (8) SCORELESS INNINGS?

Long after the "dirt" was gone, btw. Answer that question and I will listen.

:shrug:

[rinsd]

50. Cards trainer claims he was scuffing as well (nt)

[Jack_Dawson]

51. Cards should admit they got their butts kicked n/t

[PVnRT]

38. Apparently, you've never been to St. Louis

Which is also a gritty, blue-collar, Democratic working-class city.

[Ishoutandscream2]

31. They say that about those of us who are Dallas Cowboy fans

and also Yankee fans. Yes, it's pretty damn stupid to mix politics with team sports.

[rinsd]

33. Great post

Besides with the Cheater on the Tigers does anyone really want them as the "Democratic" team?

[KharmaTrain]

39. I'm A White Sox Fan

Sitting right between this series in a bunch of ways. From the LaRussa-Leyland connection to the battles my team had with both the Tigers and Cardinals this year and thensome.

Well maybe the fact that Anheiser-Busch is a large GOOP contributor makes them the more Repugnican team...but aren't the Tigers still owned by Monihan or is it the other Pizza dude?

[rinsd]

41. Llitch is the Little Ceasar's guy, not the Dominoe's guy

http://sports.aol.com/mlb/playoffs/_a/tigers-owner-ilitch-revels-in-another/20061007005409990001?cid=561

[KharmaTrain]

44. Interesting Contribution List...

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=MI&last=Ilitch&first=Michael

He tosses the max at Kennedy in Minnesota, then turns around at the end of June and dumps $13,500 on the DSCC. Interesting.

I keep getting all these Detroit pizza guys all mixed up. LOL

[Ino]

43. Anheuser-Busch doesn't own the Cardinals any more

The team was sold in 1995 to a group of investors.

http://tinyurl.com/y6tqgz

Anheuser-Busch announced today that it has agreed to sell the St. Louis Cardinals for $150 million to a group of investors who say they will keep the team in the city. The deal still must be approved by Major League Baseball, and the new owners, led by the St. Louis lawyer Fred Hanser, expect to close the deal Feb. 15.

The deal includes Busch Stadium and its parking garages. The stadium will keep the name, officials said.

In addition to Hanser, the group includes Andrew Baur, president of Southwest Bank in St. Louis, and William DeWitt Jr., a Cincinnati businessman who has owned interests in the Baltimore Orioles, Texas Rangers and Cincinnati Reds. DeWitt's father once owned the St. Louis Browns and later the Reds.

Anheuser-Busch, the world's largest brewer, announced in October it wanted to sell the team, which it has owned since 1953, to focus more on its core businesses

[KharmaTrain]

45. DeWitt Isn't Much Better

Looksee...

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=OH&last=DeWitt&first=William

posted 10/23/06
DeWitt, William O. Jr.
Cincinnati, OH 45202
Reynolds DeWitt & Company/Co-Chairm DEWINE, RICHARD MICHAEL (R)
Senate - OH
MIKE DEWINE VICTORY 2006 $5,000
primary 09/29/06
DEWITT, WILLIAM
CINCINNATI, OH 45202
REYNOLDS DEWITT & CO KENNEDY, MARK RAYMOND (R)
Senate - MN
MARK KENNEDY 06 $2,000
primary 05/03/06
DeWitt, William
Cincinnati, OH 45243
Reynolds DeWitt Securities/Executiv CHABOT, STEVE (R)
House (OH 01)
STEVE CHABOT FOR CONGRESS $1,000
primary 05/01/06
DeWitt, William Jr.
Cincinatti, OH 45243
St. Louis Cardinals/General Partner
OFFICE OF THE COMMISSIONER OF MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE $5,000
primary 04/25/06
DEWITT, WILLIAM
CINCINNATI, OH 45202
ST. LOUIS CARDINALS/CHAIRMAN/GP KEAN, THOMAS H JR (R)
Senate - NJ
TOM KEAN FOR US SENATE INC $1,000
primary 03/14/06

Following the money can be fun...

But I'm still a big LaRussa fan and he's done marvels with that pitching staff this year.

[Ino]

12. Suppan is from Oklahoma!

For pete's sake, don't blame St. Louis & the Cardinals for Suppan's upbringing!

St. Louis & Kansas City are the bulwarks of the Democratic Party in MO. Without those cities, MO would NEVER elect a Dem!

-- Ino (still rooting for the Cardinals, but pissed at Suppan)

[WildEyedLiberal]

15. Thanks.

I'm not going to root against my lifelong team because Suppan is an idiot any more than all the liberal Democrats in Boston were going to stop being Red Sox fans because Schilling whored for Bush.

BTW, Suppan is from Oklahoma? That explains everything. :scared: Apologies to OK DUers... but eesh.

[BlooInBloo]

16. Who cares what religious people think? This is science. Sheesh.

Look at the history of the world - that's what we've gotten from listening to religious people. How 'bout we try something different from "stay the religious course"?

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

17. I Was Rooting For Tigers Already

This doesn't impact my decision.

But suppan is scheduled to pitch Game 4. So, I will be certainly hoping he gets his balls handed to him, so the Tigers can force a return to Detroit this weekend.

Unfortunately, if you're a Cardinals fan, it more or less forces you to choose between rooting for this guy who is on the mound for your team later today, or else hope he gets his clocked cleaned, and pays some price for being a STUPID REDNECK MORON, in league with the bible thumping kurt warner.

[Ino]

42. False choice

"Unfortunately, if you're a Cardinals fan, it more or less forces you to choose between rooting for this guy who is on the mound for your team later today, or else hope he gets his clocked cleaned, and pays some price for being a STUPID REDNECK MORON, in league with the bible thumping kurt warner"

Oh please! I'm not about to root against my home team because one pitcher, raised in Oklahoma, who's been in St. Louis for a whole 2 years, disagrees with my political/religious views. He's a big-time Catholic, what do you expect? At least he walks the talk, and I have to respect him for that, no matter how much I disagree.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player_career.jsp?player_id=122987

donates $50 for every strikeout to the Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund, an organization that provides assistance to children and families of U.S. soldiers killed in the line of duty -- his donation is matched by Cardinals Care...designates time and effort in support of Baseballers Against Drugs (BAD)...is a member of the Pontifical Council of Church and Sport and visited Pope Benedict XVI at the Vatican this offseason.

Hmmm.... he donates $50 for every strikeout to a fund for families of soldiers killed in the line of duty. Here's hoping he'll get 27 strikeouts tonight, and pays for being a moran some other time :)

[Fed Up]

18. Before this I rooted against the Tigers

I'm not from anywere in Michigan or Missouri, so I really didn't have a clear favorite, but I was going for St. Louis because I like their manager.


But now, I really want the Tigers to win, ever since this Suppan guy showed up in a commercial to hurt Claire's chances.

[ProfessorGAC]

21. Does That Opinion Come From All His Years Of Higher Education?

Dumbass. He knows one thing! How to throw a baseball! That's it. And at his age, he doesn't even have the life experience to know his ass from his hat.
The Professor

[terryg11]

22. That's it!! Throwing away twenty years of fandom...

all because of Suppan!!

Whatver, I can't believe this crap

[madinmaryland]

23. Can't they just be baseball players not comment and ...

STFU!!!

[Jack_Dawson]

25. "Just Shut up and Sing", Dixie Chix!

:beer:

[Bake]

24. This lifelong Cards fan is disgusted. Just disgusted.

I'll still be rooting for the Cards, but I can't look at Suppan the same way. He's a dumb jock who allowed himself to be used. That makes him a TOOL. Hey, Soup, shut the fuck up and pitch, OK?

Bake

[Jack_Dawson]

26. Do you remember a Cards pitcher named...

Jason Simontacchi?

[Bake]

47. Can't say that I do ...

I've not always been a "die-hard" fan. I do remember (very well) the old masters: Musial. Bob Gison. Curt Flood. Julian Javier. Tim McCarver. Lou Brock.

So who was Jason and what did he do, or is this just a test? :-)

Bake

[The Anti-Neo Con]

27. Uh-huh, I just want him to STFU and pitch.

I want him to pitch well b/c I want the Cardinals to win, but otherwise I don't like or respect him anymore b/c of his beliefs.

Guys, don't hate the Cardinals just b/c of this guy. I'm sure every team out there has a few repukes. At least the team itself is not endorsing his message. I'd be really heated if that were the case.

[WildEyedLiberal]

32. Agreed

Bad, bad move on his part. No one CARES what your politics are - just throw a fucking ball.

[chat_noir]

28. REDNECKS RESPOND TO MICHAEL J. FOX (parody)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhBsgejMUr4

[mediacenter]

29. Question

Why all the discussion about stem cell research when the proposed amendment is about cloning? Stem cell research is legal in Missouri, isn't it?

[Hamlette]

30. I wonder if Matt Lauer and Rush will mock them for using their fame

to speak out for a cause?

I don't think so either.

[RC Quake]

35. I'm sick and tired of stem cell research opposition

What is wrong with stem cell research? Who does it hurt? How many cures for diseases have been found from stem cell research?

For some reason I think he might be against "embryonic" stem cell research, because I don't think "all" stem cell research is under attack. Is it? What am I missing?

Either way it doesn't matter. To heck with the feds not funding it...we can still do it privately...right?

[Neecy]

46. Don't forget the Royals...

The cross-state cellar dwellers also have a spokesman for the 16th century in this ad - the oft injured, fragile as a daisy Mike Sweeney.

Here are some words of wisdom from the man who wants to ensure that critically ill Americans die before their time:

One challenge that is always apparent is spiritual warfare. I know that when I’m on the road, and even when I’m playing in games, Satan’s at work. He wants me to slip; he wants me to do something that would put me on the front page of the newspaper for messing up. “This so-called Christian man, look what he’s done.”

In these times, I just try to emulate Christ in Matthew chapter 4. Whether it be in a situation like, “Mike, go out to the bar with the guys. It’s not a big deal.” Or, “These last 12 years in Kansas City have been a fluke. You’re really a terrible ballplayer, and you’re going to fall on your face.” I know Satan is trying to pierce my heart with things like that. That’s his ammunition. What I try to do is replace lies with truth. When I get invited to the bars I decline, because as a man of God my wife is more important than my friends and my team. I made a covenant relationship with my wife before God; I didn’t make a covenant relationship with my teammates. And when Satan tries to attack my game I say, “You know what? God has given me the Holy Spirit,” because Acts 1:8 says that you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you.

http://www.bpsports.net/bpsports.asp?ID=5498

I really don't care if this is what he believes, but when he pushes to legislate his beliefs that's when he crosses the line.

[Jcrowley]

52. Here's another reason

War criminal throws out first pitch to christen Stadium.

I'm still pullin' for the Birds, it's in the blood. Grew up on the stuff.

Pretty sad I'd say since I can't stand LaRussa and the owner is buddies with Herr Bushler.

[Jack_Dawson]

54. OMFG

I can't believe you as a Cards fan can look at that and still root for your team. Here's to brainwashing at an early age! :toast: Good Job Dad.

[Jcrowley]

55. Totally

What's wrong with me? Go team beat gladiators.

But you gotta understand I memorized all the stats for the Cards through the 70's back when they were mediocre and I had dreams. It's a sickness. Now back to the game....

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

53. Suppan has given up 3 runs already tonight

3-0 tigers top of the 3rd.

[Wise Child]

56. Ack! They just showed the ad,

Cardinals score two runs. They're creaping up on the Tigers, that's how they play ball.

When Casey hit that homerun I think I heard him shout "This is for Stem Cell Research!" when he touched homeplate.
:crazy:

Go Cards!

[chat_noir]

57. REDNECKS RESPOND TO MICHAEL J. FOX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhBsgejMUr4

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: