Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

I Understand Completely Now.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:10 PM
Original message
I Understand Completely Now.
Bush has used 9/11 as an excuse for everything. Quite frankly, that tragedy saved his ass and since then, he's frequently stated that everything has changed since 9/11. The world is a different place since 9/11. It's been his reason for usurping Congress and breaking the law.

During his mess of a press conference this morning, Bush puffed up his chest and declared that he didn't get a warrant, didn't go to the FISA court because the law was written in 1978 and is inadequate - because "the world is different now".

So I get it. I get it completely. The Constitution of the United States; the document this man has sworn to uphold, means nothing to him. Since it was written in 1787 it is inadequate because "the world is different now".

Bastard.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:11 PM
Response to Original message
1. does it make you wonder
if 911 wasn't MIHOP?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. There is very little that makes me wonder . . .
. . . that is wasn't MIHOP
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. and if
911 was mihop, then what else was, and what else will be?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #7
19. Oh it's much more than MIHOP
Go to http://www.informationclearinghouse.info and watch the film "Loose Change." It's a good documentary on 9/11. Not too over the top and is very basic of facts and question's. Check out http://www.reopen911.org
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. I know.
Thanks any way.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #19
30. Thank you for the info, I'm already convinced, but I'm going to get the
movie for my friends and family..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #19
37. My apolitical coworker gave me a copy
of "Loose Change". It is making the rounds-and made my apolitical coworker ready to march and do whatever he needs to to get these people out of office!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. LIHOP is sufficient, if not total incompetence.

I'd have no problem with incompetence as an explanation were it not for the extremely weird coincidence of the PNAC Pearl Harbour statements. Even then, I'd be willing to accept incompetence... in the absence of the 9/11 investigation stonewalling.

It's not outwith the bounds of possibility that PNAC don't understand the Internet very well at all.

EDGE, me dears. USE.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. It makes you realize
you don't need to wonder. MIHOP or any other unknown doesn't change the ugly manipulation, in itself plenty evil enough for utter condmenation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #1
36. No doubt about it
I used to think it was LIHOP but clearly it was MIHOP. Bastards.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:13 PM
Response to Original message
3. And that means Treason. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:13 PM
Response to Original message
5. Careful, Or You Might Be Called A Crackpot...
King George would Never do something like that. How dare you accuse our leader of this. :-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:15 PM
Response to Original message
8. Recommended...this is their argument for everything
I hate these folks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #8
12. How About Bush's Illegal, Warrantless Spying Changed Everything
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #12
18. I wish that was our only problem
I want the moving eye. That is perfect. I know that was Kef's sig but did you make the eye move? It's great!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #12
21. He started it before 9/11
And google Abramoff and Mohammad Atta.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #12
22. sElection 2000 changed everything n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:16 PM
Response to Original message
9. He has told one myth after another. And used fear to get people to
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 01:17 PM by applegrove
act (vote)against their own self interest. And then he uses the tools of a sociopath (bush is just the patsy) to keep the opposition from any valid information.

But it isn't working. Dems & the USA are getting wise. More discerning.

He was using myths and GOP wedges long before he was elected president.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #9
24. He was talking about going into Iraq in 1999
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #24
32. 1998 PNAC letter to Clinton
Demanding that we invade and conquer Iraq. Clinton said no, and that sealed Al Gore's election fate. It also sealed the fate of 3000 americans on 9/11, 2300+ of our soldiers in Iraq, and countless tens of thousands of 'others', all of whom would die as a consequence.

War criminals every last one of them and everyone who has worked so diligently to facilitate their crimes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #24
39. Yes and the neocon machine decided on gays as a wedge issue.
And big oil funded the beginings of a fundamentalist & evangelical christian movement that put "humanists" or no religious social activists... LIBERALS ... as an evil like no other.

This rattle and role for power has been going on for a long time. Perpetual war had to wait until certain groups actually got more power. Delay, Bush & others converted to Christianity instead of hot-tubs and cocaine - in the early 1990s.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:16 PM
Response to Original message
10. Thank you for making that point, out loud!
It has been reported (ok, questionable source and all)that he has said that the Constitution was just a god damn piece of paper. Do we need any more proof that he feels that way than that speech this morning?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:17 PM
Response to Original message
11. we need a new investigation into 911 absolute proof now exists
that world trade 7 was an inside job. For anyone who has the video Confronting the evidence given out by reopen911.org go to chapter 7 and watch wt7 North side. 1 second before the collapse I counted 50 small black
puffs, squibs,of detonation smoke., ITS ABSOLUTE PROOF..No wonder Tom Ludicrous Kean wouldn't touch that explosive evidence in the official 911 Whitewash report.
Please DU-ers don't blow off this stunning find. it would make a great issue among many for the Nov elections if we even have elections this year...martial law is just an attack away and remember Iran goes off the US.Dollar soon................
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #11
25. There was also a CBS documentary that never aired
It was supposed to be a French documentary following firefighters around. Sometimes now I wonder if it was more than a coincidence of them being there. There's a scene in this documentary (that turned into one about 9/11) and in one part it shows two firemen talking about bombs going off.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. CBS did air a 2 hour special based on the Naudet videotape
want to see it...I"d have to search for it but I watched it again about 4/5 weeks ago. Firemen,EMS workers,
police,citizens all report hearing explosions. Yet Ludicrous kean refused to allow any explosive testimony on the record. We need to drive home the point,911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB..WE WANT A NEW INVESTIGATION !!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:18 PM
Response to Original message
13. 9/11 DIDN'T CHANGE EVERYTHING!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:20 PM
Response to Original message
14. Listening to Alberto Gonzales ..
a bit yesterday, 911,911,911,911 ... bla bla bla .... in twisting their defense on the illegal wiretapping ...... they all use it, as if it's some 'feather' in their cap now to get away with anything they want. These people are Evil. Peace.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:21 PM
Response to Original message
15. and he says he doesn't want to change it because it would alert the enemy
". . . my concern has always been that in an attempt to try to pass a law on something that's already legal, we'll show the enemy what we're doing."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/01/20060126.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. like the enemy doesn't know they're being tapped! eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. If they've seen spy movies they know
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Unmarked Poster Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:22 PM
Response to Original message
16. The Constitution means nothing
to these people
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pushycat Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #16
35. Chimpy says its 'just a goddamned piece of paper' ...history
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:22 PM
Response to Original message
17. And here I thought he said
he valued the Constitution.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:30 PM
Response to Original message
27. IN RESPONSE - here's what we ask:
how many people were killed and injured over three years simply because they took Merck's Vioxx? (more than 186,000)
how many people died in car accidents lin 2003? 42,600 in 2004? 42,400. in 2005? about the same.
How many people died from medical malpractice mistakes in USA in 2005? 17,500 in 2004? 18,000 in 2003? 16,800.
how many people died from domestic violence in 2004? Govt doesn't track it, so you have to extrapolate, but around 8,700.


One terrorist attack led to 3,000 deaths, with another 5,000 with severe respiratory disease beginning or in progress.

serious, preventable daily events over three years led to almost 500,000 US fatalities and serious life-changing injuries.
and this asshole claims that 9/11 changed everything? BULLSHIT.

Anytime, anyplace that some GOP supporter tells you that 9/11 changed everything, educate the ignoramus.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:31 PM
Response to Original message
28. The Bill of Rights was passed by Congress in 1789
I suppose he feels that is antiquated as well
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:34 PM
Response to Original message
31. Yes, the name of the game is to scare Americans into letting go of ...
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 01:34 PM by Lone_Star_Dem
The Constitution of the United States. If they can induce enough fear in the citizens of America they can disregard that last little obstacle standing between them and their goals.

Terrorism:

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

The definition of terrorism reads like the guidelines of the bush* admin.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:46 PM
Response to Original message
33. Well right after Septembertheeleventh Commander Bunnypants
did say he it the TRIFECTA


Lucky me, were the words he used. I guess we 'Mericans weren't paying attention when he said it would be easier if this were a dictatorship, so long as ah'm the dictator.


Things weren't exactly going his way and the Consortium of Newspapers were about to release their results of the 2000 election recount they conducted, which showed that Gore won and bush stole. Senator Jeffords had switched parties and given the Democrats control of the Senate and his poll #'s were sinking fast.

And well whaddaya know, Lucky me, little did I know I would hit the trifecta


But I don't believe in LIHOP No siree, not me. I believe Pinhead** just got lucky :argh:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:51 PM
Response to Original message
34. I don't remember the post I read, but I remember the words perfectly....
"you will say ANYTHING or do ANYTHING to impose your will upon others"

Sums Bush up right quick, and all his sheeple followers too.

Such is my mantra now toward anyone who starts to spew anything about Iraq relating to 9/11, mushroom clouds, etc.

The post I read encouraged this as a response to BS, and the White House spews NOTHING but BS.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 02:40 PM
Response to Original message
38. Thanks for all the responses everyone.
I didn't mean to post and run, got busy at work. :hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 03:31 PM
Response to Original message
40. "It's just a goddamn piece of paper"!! Is what
Bush said about the Constitution.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 19th 2024, 12:33 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC