If we lose the senate, it's pretty much the fault of black people.

[cboy4]

Why?

Because Harold Ford Junior, an African American is running in Tennessee.

Why couldn't the party find a moderate white candidate who has a better chance of winning?

Before I was transferred back to California, I worked in East Tennessee for three years and I've gotta tell you, I saw my fair share of racists.

I'm not sure Tennessee is quite ready for a black man holding a high office from that state.

This is a risky move on behalf of the Democratic Party supporting this man.

And God forbid Obama runs for president. You can kiss our chances in 2008 goodbye.

Black people just need to calm down and wait for us to regain control of congress and the White House in 2008....then maybe we can start talking about having people of color in the senate or White House.

:sarcasm:

I am thrilled that Harold Ford Jr. is running in Tennessee.

We should have more African American people run for senate.

But my sarcastic commentary is the exact same argument some people are making about why gay human rights, such as marriage and/or civil unions should be put on the back burner until after the election.

You know as well as I do that if we regain congress, then it will be, yea, we don't wanna talk about gay stuff....we don't wanna rock the boat and lose control after we fought so hard to regain.

Then before you know it, it's 2008....can't talk about it, too close to the presidential election....then it will be, no it's too close to the 2010 midterm, we can't talk about it now, then it's 2012....

Don't you see, IT NEVER FRICKEN ENDS.

The civil rights heros from the 50's & 60's have to be turning over in their graves.

[Gormy Cuss]

1. No, it's those damn uppity women.

Great post, cboy4

[cyberpj]

37. Great response, Gormy Cuss. nt

[readmoreoften]

101. I agree. It's the women. They're only 51% of the population. Why do we keep

pandering to them and their silly abortion issue. I mean, how could overturning ABORTION have an effect on American culture? (do I really have to add the sarcasm tag? Really? I do, don't I? :sarcasm:)

[Ignacio Upton]

2. If Obama had experience, he would win in 2008

I mean MORE experience than he has now. While Tennessee may reflect this racist stereotype, nationally I think America is ready for a black President. However, by "black" I mean someone who is labeling as acting "white." I don't see someone like Jesse Jackson winning, not can I see someone who talks with a "black accent" winning.

[bullwinkle428]

86. * ONLY "won" in 2000 because he had tremendous experience...

...as a horrifically PISS-POOR GOVERNOR!

[liberalhistorian]

3. Amen! I was really sickened by some of the

comments on here yesterday; I was beginning to wonder if I'd somehow been transported to Freak Republic.

There were many Dems who tried to get the civil rights movement to back off because they were afraid of alienating and pissing off their Southern wing and of the loss of control that would result. Johnson himself recognized, when he signed the civil rights bill, that the Dems had lost the South for at least a generation, if not more, which has, indeed, happened. But he knew it was the right thing to do and he had the guts to put the rights of people ahead of his party and he had little patience with those who counseled continued waiting, since he knew that the "right" time would never really come.

And if we lost the south because they wanted to continue with their racist hateful discrimination and oppression, then fuck them. I'm truly ashamed of those on here with that attitude, and you're right, the civil rights leaders are most assuredly spinning in their graves now.

[keepCAblue]

4. Thank you for this post.

I am so sick of hearing the "if Dems lose, it's the gays' fault"...or..."this or that Dem candidate's anti-gay position is justified because he'd never get elected in {insert name of red state) otherwise..."

I wish people, before tossing out such muck, would replace their "gay" references with "black" and ask themselves if they'd make the same or similar statements wrt blacks, jews or just about any other minority group as they do about gays.

[Ignacio Upton]

7. Not the gay's fault

It's the New Jersey State Supreme Court's fault for timing the ruling so close to an election.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

11. It's a non issue in NJ and it was based on the forced retirement of a judge.

[Grebrook]

5. What the hell is everyone talking about? The gay marriage decision hasn't effected public opinion

heading into the election at all. Dems are leading by 19% in the latest AP-Ipsos poll.

[LostinVA]

81. I know -- tell all the DU posters posting anti-gay rhetoric, not us!

[NavyDavy]

6. I think Obama can win if he decided to run....IMHO

[derby378]

8. Nah, it's those damned Swedes

Bloody Vikings, always ruining it for the rest of us...

:evilgrin:

[Solly Mack]

9. Beautifully said!!!!!

[omega minimo]

10. THIS OFFENSIVE TITLE SHOULD NOT BE UP AT ALL EVER

makes us all look ignorant

[Name removed]

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[omega minimo]

13. he can do that without using the offensive title, eh?

:thumbsup:

[Name removed]

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[omega minimo]

16. the TITLE is the problem and the "sarcasm" doesn't justify the OFFENSE

it makes us all look ignorant and clueless about how offensive to African Americans that is. :evilfrown:

[Name removed]

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[Mr_Spock]

41. I hope this bitterness and anger end soon

This is not good.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

48. Well, hopefully people will stop telling gays when they deserve their rights

soon.

[Mr_Spock]

50. This is all about an issue WRT timing and elections

...and you continue with ad-hominem attacks that are completely unrelated to the topic at hand.

You are killing the messenger - stop blaming Gibson & Stephanopolis for simply reporting the obvious (never mind attacking a fellow DUer who brought it up for discussion).

[omega minimo]

135. full circles

full circles Mr. Spock-- a logic beyond labels and emotional appeals............

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2489424&mesg_id=2493061

FWIW you are the closest to truly common sense on the whole thread :grouphug:

[Mr_Spock]

141. I am trying to see through the anger...

I realize that many people here have a deep, emotional response to this topic, but I cannot let this influence my perspective on Democratic politics. We are here to get Democrats elected. It is the mission of DU to do so. I am shocked that not one person has apologized for the slander that they have commited against me. It is one of the most shocking aspects of the last two days - how people are so blinded by their feelings that they cannot acknowledge that they are exibiting the kind of hatred that they are accusing me of - and I have not said a single hateful thing in response!

[Book Lover]

146. Then what would you have had the Jersey court do?

The forced retirement of the judge meant this decision had to be made at this time, on that day. What other course of action would you suggest that would not have the bench run afoul of the law?

[cboy4]

25. There's actually no greater defender of African Americans than

myself, because I totally sympathize with how they're blamed for so much.

[keepCAblue]

39. Ditto. What Cboy4 said.

Funny how it is that most of the LGBT people I know deeply empathize with other classes who've known discrimination, because we ourselves feel the same pain, suffer the same humiliation, long for the same validation as does any other group which is or has been the target of hatred, oppression, injustice, inequality and--often--physical violence.

Why is this empathy not a two-way street? As a gay person, I not only empathize with blacks, Jews, Muslims, (fill in the blank), but also vigorously support and defend their right to a first-class citizenship. How despairing it is to see large factions within these same groups joining the ranks of Republicans--the very kind of people who in the past have discriminated against them--to campaign against the rights of gays.

If a Dem candidate espoused the position of being against equal treatment or legal protections for, say, blacks or jews, would DUers find this acceptable? In certain parts of the South, there is still plenty of anti-semitism and racism to be found. So to run on a Dem ticket while at the same time rejecting some of the basic tenets of the Dem ideology--i.e., human rights and equality--is "acceptable" because it is a "winning strategy." Sorry. I can't go along with that.

It is easy for people whose rights are not at stake or for those who have never known the daily fear of being beaten or killed because of the sexual orientation or gender identification -- it is easy for those people to excuse the homophobia of a candidate, so long as he or she calls his or herself a Democrat. However, for those of us who are sick of living in fear, sick of being treated like a non-citizen, sick of worrying that some crazed religious zealot or homophobic redneck is going to try to burn down our house in the middle of the night whilst we sleep (yes, this actually did happen to me and my family) -- for those of us, we don't give a damn if the man or woman on that ticket has a "D" or a "R" after their name. All that matters is will this person have the courage to defend those whose numbers are too small or voices too weak to defend themselves? Will he or she make a genuine and uncompromising effort to make the nation they lead a kinder, gentler place, a place where people like me can go to sleep at night feeling a little safer and little less hated?

[Sapphocrat]

136. Well said!

:thumbsup:

[Name removed]

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[TahitiNut]

15. Riiight. And "Stupid White Men..." makes DU look smart?

Sure. :eyes:

[omega minimo]

17. On a scale from Privilege to Slavery, I'd say African Americans deserve some respect

on DU

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

19. No one's disrepecting them, which is more than we can say about how

homosexuals are being treated right now.

[omega minimo]

21. That's not true

"No one's disrepecting them"


If you have to click on the thread to realize it's "sarcasm" -- it's offensive and inappropriate and unecessary.

And embarrassing to DUers who don't want to look that clueless to our AA members.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

53. "If you have to click on the thread to realize it's "sarcasm""

With all due respect, if you have to click on the thread to get your first hint that it wasn't serious, you must not know this community at all. You really think that title would've ever been posted in a serious fashion? And even regardless, do you really think it is that challenging of a concept to click on the thread to see the context? I mean, unlike OTHER threads we've seen from time to time here, this one actually PROVIDED some context and substance to the title.

This thread is not offensive whatsoever. It just used a creative analogy to illustrate a point. To me, the only show of ignorance would be someone who actually gets offended by a thread title, and stays offended without even clicking inside to see the context. For someone to just read a title and get all huffy puffy about it without actually going deeper to read what it was about, is a total show of ignorance and knee jerk outrage in my opinion. So anyone who read the title and felt that way, most likely would've come inside and read more. Upon doing so, they'd realize it was a witty analogy used appropriately.

[cboy4]

58. Thanks dude.

:)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

61. No Problem Cboy. I Think You Did A Great Job Here.

It definitely caught my attention and had an impact. After reading the beginning, and then seeing your sarcasm tag followed by the 'punchline' of why it was written, I was left impressed with your technique and how it was a perfect way to get across your point, which is one I agree needed to be made. I think you did just fine.

:toast:

[readmoreoften]

98. You hit it on the nose, OMC. /nt

[keepCAblue]

20. And gays don't? eom

[omega minimo]

22. I'm not in that dogfight or saying anything of the sort. The objection is to a TITLE

on GD TITLE page.

[kiahzero]

26. It's fine, learn to understand satire. (n/t)

[omega minimo]

31. Fine, learn to understand respect (and how to DO satire)

Are we all supposed to be here 24/7/365 and know what is being "satirized" by ONE OFFENSIVE title? :silly:

[LostinVA]

84. You've been on here the last 24 hours when the threads have been all over

the place.

And, it IS satire -- very good and effective satire.

[kiahzero]

128. You could... I don't know... read the post?

It's not like it's not all laid out, right there, in the post you're complaining about.

[spoony]

49. It is precisely the title which makes it effective criticism

of other threads/posts. It's supposed to be biting and defanging satire makes it a feeble whimper.

[stepnw1f]

63. That's Why Someone is Attacking It

"It is precisely the title which makes it effective criticism"

[LostinVA]

82. Bingo n/t

[Sapphocrat]

139. As long as you understand...

...that every time anyone posts a subject line similar to "If we lose the Senate, it's pretty much the fault of gay people," is it not satire.

The next time that happens, I trust you will be twice as upset on our behalf, and twice as quick to take the poster to task.

[cboy4]

149. Oh fuck, like that'll happen!

:eyes:

[mondo joe]

72. On a scale of equality, I'd say respect people - not race or orientation.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

59. Ding Ding Ding Ding!

Don't you just love hypocrisy?

[keepCAblue]

23. Did you also complain about the post titles that were offensive to gays? eom

[omega minimo]

28. How do you know what I see or don't see?

:eyes:

[keepCAblue]

32. I don't. That's why I'm asking. It's a legitimate question.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

45. I was in all those threads fighting the homophobia. I didn't see you in them.

[keepCAblue]

46. Perhaps you weren't looking hard enough.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

47. I didn't see her in any of them.

:shrug:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

57. Not Hard To Find. Usually, The Poster Haruka Was Referring To

leaves huge subthread trails. Pretty easy to spot most of the time. :rofl:

You know Haruka didn't ask that of you though, right?

[keepCAblue]

78. Oops. Sorry, haruka. Didn't read the poster's id, just the subject title.

Not that your posts could ever be confused with the minimo's (I mean that as a compliment)

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

90. Heh...No problem.

And thank you for the compliment.

[Sapphocrat]

144. I don't know what you see or don't see...

...but I do know which threads you haven't participated in.

[LostinVA]

85. No n/t

[WilliamPitt]

24. Please

[omega minimo]

29. You agree!! I knew you'd get it

:hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

64. Don't Flatter Yourself.

:hi:

[cboy4]

67. . . .

:spray:

[cboy4]

30. Did you lose consciousness as you started to type, or is that

all you have to say?

[keepCAblue]

34. Was that "Please" as in agreement, or "Please" as in Puhleeeze! Get-a-life!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

54. Since Will Is Intelligent, And The Post He Was Responding To Was Over The

top ridiculous, I'd be pretty confident in assessing that his please was the equivalent of "Oh put a friggin sock in it already".

[Solly Mack]

38. You think Coretta Scott King would have been offended?

http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/coretta.html

"I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice," she said. "But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.'" "I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people," she said. - Reuters, March 31, 1998.


"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood," King stated. "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group." - Chicago Defender, April 1, 1998, front page."



I'll credit the late Mrs King with the intelligence to know the difference between something that is offensive and something that draws an analogy to prove a point of bigoted attitudes.

Now, granted, Mrs King did not speak for all African-Americans...but then neither do you.

[keepCAblue]

42. Bravo. eom

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

55. !

:applause:

[cyberpj]

40. REVIEW YOUR LENNY BRUCE, GEORGE CARLIN, et al... It's a string of WORDS!

Taking offense at their appearance is what's wrong.

First, it doesn't stop idiots from thinking them if they're going to think them.

And second, it's a legitimate use of sarcastic parody to get attention for the issue to be addressed, and it works.

If someone wrote it and I wasn't interested enough to look further, I'd still be free to assume whatever I wanted to about the person who posted it.

And eventually, if you make those that believe it say it out loud enough, we ALL understand how stupid it is. (See Archie Bunker.)

Peace.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

51. Always Such Drama. Upon Reading The Thread It Is Obvious To Anyone

that the title is for impact only and not a true declaration of the OP's feelings. It was done solely to illustrate the absurdity some are posing in the SC NJ ruling. It was done quite well, actually.

But if someone was to read the header and not read enough to have realized it was analogous, then fuck them anyway, as THEY are ignorant for having done so.

If the title was an honest sentiment, that's a different story. But it was blatantly obvious that it wasn't, so it was completely appropriate in its context.

[Sapphire Blue]

74. Agree. This is one of the worst that I've read here.

I've been spending less time here lately... partly because I haven't been feeling well, but moreso because of these kinds of ugly posts that make me doublecheck the web address above to make sure my internets haven't been hijacked & sent to the netherworld of the other site. The sarcasm smilie doesn't excuse this kind of ugliness.

[cboy4]

77. Tragic you don't seemingly empathize with the struggles of gay people

to have the basic human right of being allowed to visit their partners in the hospital.

That's what's truly ugly.

Sorry. It had to be said.

[Sapphire Blue]

83. I don't support racist attacks. A sarcasm smilie is not license for racist attacks.

Racism is ugly & offensive. IMO, the title of your post is ugly & offensive.

Tragic you seemingly judge me as not empathizing with the struggles of gay people because I hold the above opinion regarding racist attacks.

[mondo joe]

93. So if sarastic racism is bad, where were you about the posts that

actually blamed gays?

[Sapphire Blue]

96. Dealing w/some rather serious health issues, not spending much time here lately, as I stated above.

[cboy4]

94. Nope. Don't believe you. But we have some nice departing gifts

:hi:

[Sapphire Blue]

97. How very thoughtful; I will be departing in the not too distant future.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Sapphire%20Blue/70

[cboy4]

102. Oh great. Now I guess I feel bad. I'm sorry to hear about your health,

but it would have be sort of nice if you could have displayed just a bit of sympathy for our plight.

Your health condition is exactly why it's so critical for gay people to have basic human rights.

In many states, a hospital can say:

"No, you are not allowed to go to the 8th floor and visit your critically ill partner."

The partner of that critically ill person would not be allowed to collect his or her death benefits.

It's a nightmare scenario. Can you imagine the deparation?

That's all we're asking for is to receive the same rights, nothing more.

And you post came across as cold and careless.

That's why I responded to you in the manner that I did.

Again, I'm sorry about your situation.

[Sapphire Blue]

132. A racist thread title couched in sarcasm does not elicit my sympathy.

If that makes me come across as cold & careless, so be it. I'm really sick of all this nastiness. Sick of it.

One's point can be made w/o resorting to using ugly racist comments. The title of your post is shameful.

Regarding the situation you illustrate above - gay couples (and any other couples or singles) might consider consulting an attorney about existing legal documents... Power of Attorney, Last Will & Testament, and Health Care Directive.

[cboy4]

145. What's really nasty is for you to use your health to try to elicit

sympathy from me by saying you're on your death bed.

How fucked up is that, huh? Outrageous.

Good back and read it.

I show sympathy concerning your health, with an example of why my people need human rights, and you respond with this bullshit?!

You are hysterical over something I don't believe in, which is that we should blame black people if we lose the election.

It was a sarcastic headline title. What in the hell is wrong with you?

Why don't you wake up and read what other people are saying because you sound embarrassingly ignorant about gay anything.

Please, leave me alone.

[Mr_Spock]

147. The title was meant to mock other threads and is clearly flame-bait

If this post isn't flame-bait, then I don't know what is.

[cboy4]

150. Why do you keep coming at me? I thought we left things as good

as they're going to get between us concerning this issue?

I'm not going to change your mind.

You're not going to change my mind that placing politics above human rights is anything less than despicable.

So what do you want?

[omega minimo]

134. Ain't it strange

"Racism is ugly & offensive. IMO, the title of your post is ugly & offensive."

Strange that -- so far -- there are 2 (two) count 'em 2! of us that get that and GUESS WHAT!!?! the self-identified African American DUers may have just Gone Away for the most part and ACTIVELY AVOID the notoriously UGLY and sharp-elbowed GD...............

Strange that this thread -- a substantial heft of which has been built around my objection to the presence on the TITLE page of an OFFENSIVE title -- would prove the point and show how self-centered and divisive the issues become..................

Strange that we all lay claim to some identification with African American persecution and then fight with each other over it...................

Strange that the vicious clique intent on making me look bad merely do it to themselves.................

Strange that the OP says "I'm not going to dumb down anything I write just in case people can't read through my sarcasm" and can't comprehend that the objectionable OP title is not "sarcasm" -- it's OFFENSIVE. (He even had to explain to an ally in the thread how to understand the "sarcasm").

Strange that someone with the consistent high quality of your OPs would have to withstand this sort of bullshit here................

Strange that one minute you are the punching bag of the narcisstic persecuted subset du jour, that fights with potential allies who don't automatically speak or relate to the lingo du jour, and the next -- oh look! they're apologizing because you may not be around to insult and torment the next time around!!!!!

:wtf: kind of liberals are we? All of this shows how adept the Dark Side is at Divide and Conquer; how pathetic our little attempts at TopDog used against each other, How Obvious Those Who By Intent Or Ignorance Are Divisive And Hateful; how the Truth of tolerance actually transcends all the chauvinistic cliches and boundaries................

YOUR WORK Your work on DU, THANK YOU, Sapphire Blue. You are a true hero. In the face of all odds. :hug:

[Sapphocrat]

142. So now we're...

...a "vicious clique," a "narcisstic persecuted subset du jour," "the Dark Side," and either intentionally or ignorantly "Divisive And Hateful".

Oh yes, we do this all for fun. It's as much fun as sticking red-hot pokers into our eyes.

P.S. You forgot "sociopaths," "sadists," and "martyrs" -- although I must admit the code word "narcisstic" was a stroke of genius. That was Freud's synonym for homosexual -- but not everyone would make that connection.

[omega minimo]

148. please don't misunderstand on purpose

the phrases you have selected have meaning in context to the person I addressed (or anyone who reads the whole thread) and are not intended to prop up the persecution fixation of the subset we stumbled into :hi:

[LostinVA]

88. Interesting that some people on here aren't getting it, huh?

And, I don't think any of them are people who bolstered us in the many, many, MANY hateful threads over the past 30 hours or so.

Irony deficiency on DU!

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

92. You know, if I posted "A Modest Proposal," I'd probably be flamed for

encouraging the consumption of Irish babies and being insensitive to the plight of the Irish.

Mmmmm...Irish babes...

[cboy4]

95. It's really repulsive, isn't it?

Hi LostinVA :hi:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

99. I think they mostly *choose* not to "get it."

IMHO.

[cboy4]

103. I know. Did you see I linked your post about the video from

last night?

[Name removed]

108. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[omega minimo]

137. Dear LostinVA I have to admit I didn't notice any thread TITLES:

"If we lose the senate its pretty much the fault of gay people"



edit for: yeah the OP really did neglect to capitalize Senate, didn't he?

[mondo joe]

75. Don't worry about other posters making you look ignorant. You are

the only person who can do that to yourself.

[bullwinkle428]

79. And Stephanie Miller thinks that only Republicans are irony-deficient?

[Rockstone]

105. I was offended by it

but it does make its point clear by the end.

I just don't know. What does that say about me if I fear that many other Americans are not as progresive as me?

In other words I am OK with Obama, but I have fear that others would reject him because of race.

[ecstatic]

107. What if a black newbie came across this board, unfamiliar with all the snark

sarcasm, and inside fights that take place on this site? The reader would "X" out the site completely before the sarcasm gif even loaded.

It's ironic though, the OP was a sarcastic response to other posts that were not meant to be offensive. I've come to the conclusion long ago that every group will feel offended on DU at some point or another--whether black, jewish, hispanic, gay, christian, etc. Why? Because people always find it hard to step into someone else's shoes.

[cboy4]

109. Excuse me, but yea, I am offended when straight people dictate

a timetable for when I should receive human rights.

I'm not going to dumb down anything I write just in case people can't read through my sarcasm.

There seems to be a good chunk of people who got the message.

And I stand behind my point, and the way I presented it.

WHAT AN IRONIC, IRONIC SCREEN NAME YOU HAVE!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

111. Hmmmm, Maybe Not Irony, Kinda Makes Sense.

Maybe once upon a time the truth did hurt the poster, so now the poster recognizes that truth hurts and avoids it to no longer feel the pain? :shrug:


Ehhh who knows. Just a possible explanation LOL

[cboy4]

113. That's too much, ha?

The truth hurts a lot.

P-E-R-F-E-C-T!

So much for trying to remained focus on the Tigers-Cards! LOL

[ecstatic]

114. isn't that a bit hypocritical?

You don't care how your posts are received, yet you expect others to care about how you interpret their posts?

[cboy4]

117. You mean perceived. And yes, I do care. However, it's a little

disingenuous, in my view, that you're more upset with the headline of my post than my underlying point.

You've tip-toed all around it, haven't you?

[ecstatic]

120. Nope. I meant received

re·ceive (r-sv) Pronunciation Key Audio pronunciation of "received"

v. re·ceived, re·ceiv·ing, re·ceives
v. tr.

1. To take or acquire (something given, offered, or transmitted); get.
2. To hear or see (information, for example): receive bad news; received a good report of the group's activities.
3. To have (a title, for example) bestowed on oneself.
4. To meet with; experience: receive sympathetic treatment.
5. To have inflicted or imposed on oneself: receive a penalty.
6. To bear the weight or force of; support: The beams receive the full weight of the walls and roof.
7. To take or intercept the impact of (a blow, for example).
8. To take in, hold, or contain: a tank that receives rainwater.
9. To admit: receive new members.
10. To greet or welcome: receive guests.
11. To perceive or acquire mentally: receive a bad impression.
12. To regard with approval or disapproval: essays that were received well.
13. To listen to and acknowledge formally and authoritatively: The judge received their oath of allegiance.


Thanks, but I do not need English lessons from you! LOL

[ecstatic]

121. Actually, I don't have a problem with your overall point

I understood it completely and agree, for the most part. I was just saying that the other person had a point when s/he noted that the title might be offensive.

[mondo joe]

130. What if a gay newbie did?

Funny how the double standard goes.

[frustrated_lefty]

140. If we act ignorant...

well, we deserve to come off that way.

Btw, I think you're in Hawaii.....if so, am very glad to see you made it through the quake.

[ChiciB1]

27. Yeah?? So Tell Me Why Those 2 Boobs On Tweety's Show Just

said that it was a "bad move" on Ford's part to call the Ad Racist?? As I recall, the biggest hoopla came from Tweety calling the Ad Racist!

So now, for some obscure reason it's Harold Ford's FAULT because the ad IS racist!!

Hey, I'm a white female (which disqualifies me) but I would vote for Ford. Might not like some of his policies, but the I HAVE to vote for Bill Nelson here in Florida! Puullleeezze, let's get real here!!

[LostinVA]

89. It is pointed satire aimed at the homophobes on DU

We've had their hateful bigotry puked all over us the last day and a half... all wrapped up in a not-so-pretty facade of "political strategy."

Great OP.

[DeSwiss]

33. cboy4, I read your posts most of the time....

....and find myself in agreement with you more times than not. But I'm confused. How is Jr's running the fault of black people? Here in Tennessee, finding an "electable Democrat" of ANY color are slim pickins. And we've waited since Reconstruction for a black person to be elected to the Senate. How much longer we gotta wait?

I don't agree with many of Jr's positions either. In PARTICULAR his position on gay marriage, among others. That said, what was my alternative? Harold threw his hat in the ring early and ran unopposed in the TN Democratic primary. After he won (of course), no one gave him a chance to beat Corker. But now he's virtually tied with Corker and the RNC money machine. Bush has been here in TN more than New Orleans.

So my die is cast. I've already early voted -- and when I did, I held my nose and voted for Jr. Actually I think he's gonna win this damn thing!

[cboy4]

35. No, no DeSwiss....of course I want Ford to win. I was being sarcastic.

There are people on this board who argue yesterday's New Jersey Supreme Court decision about gay marriage is going to cost us the senate.

They're already Monday morning quarterbacking before the game.

My point is if you're going to argue that gay rights is too risky, why not argue running a black man in a southern state for senate is also risky. Wouldn't a white man have a better chance of winning?

You know there are people on DU who feel that way, but they won't publically admit it.

Instead of blaming the bigots and the racists on the other side, some around here are blaming the victims.

And it's SICKENING.

[Mr_Spock]

43. So, you are still wallowing over that Gibson/Stephanopolis

commentary on the news last night and still looking to kill the messenger huh?

This is pathetic.

[cboy4]

62. So do you reject what I say or not?

I think what you posted is open for debate, since clearly there are people who agree with you.

The information in my post is why I reject your argument.

Don't infer that it's pathetic I disagree with you.

Why not break down my points and tell me how I'm wrong.

[Mr_Spock]

68. Your post is clearly using racism as a stick to make a point

At least in the case of my post, I was talking about how the timing of a controversial issue being decided on (that was not determinative in itself anyway) may affect an election. No bigotry was stated or implied there - and I was using my disgust at the political commentary on the Nightly News to drive home my point that it may become an issue going forward.

Apples to oranges IMHO. You are using an egregious example of racism to make a point - it's called a straw-man and I think it's pathetic.

[cboy4]

69. LOL!!!! I didn't think you'd get it.

:eyes:

[Mr_Spock]

70. The nasty sarcasm...

I got it - it was a strawman argument of the most offensive kind.

[cboy4]

73. Negative. You didn't get it, because if you got it, you

wouldn't think it's a strawman argument.

You might take a look at the quick video associated with this post. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2483831

Then come back and tell me why gay people should have to wait an additional second for human rights.

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[DeSwiss]

115. cboy4 okay....

...write my confusion down to hunger (which is where I've been so long). And lack of sleep -- I hate ragweed season!!!!!! But I have to take the meds though.... Sheesh.

I never even saw the sarcasm emoty.

With the current state of my glands, teary eyes and congested nasal passages, maybe I ought to go play Tetris or sumptin' simple like that. LOL!!!!

:yoiks:

[cboy4]

118. No worries!

:)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

You Must've Missed The Big Red Sarcasm Smiley.

The OP doesn't think any of those things. They were drawing on an analogy to illustrate the point people are trying to make about the NJ SC ruling recently. The OP actually finds both the real scenario and the made-up analogy to be deplorable in their sentiment.

[DeSwiss]

116. OPERATIONMINDCRIME, missed it BIGTIME!

....where were you!?!?! Stop me next time before I make a fool of myself. Okay?

;)

[lcordero2]

36. !!!!!!!!!!!

It's been 141 years since the end of slavery and 41 years since the Voting Rights Act...how much longer? If I was Black I would have become an anarchist by now and I would have been completely justified.

[tblue]

52. As an African American, let me say I'm glad Ford is running, but not because

he is black. Because of what he stands for (most of it anyway). But I will take the liliest whitest most albino caucasian liberal on the planet over a JC Watts, Alan Keyes, Condi Rice, or even Colin Powell any day!

Maybe (and I'm not talking about you) maybe some people can't tell the difference between a Clarence Thomas and a Thurgood Marshall. But I sure can.

[cboy4]

65. Just as I would support a straight black Democrat over a gay white

Republican.

[CorpGovActivist]

56. Elegantly Thought-Provoking

I got really pissed off when I saw that gay-scapegoating meme on here yesterday:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2489972&mesg_id=2489972

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2482221&mesg_id=2482221

(One poster even said that gays and lesbians should "take a number"!)

Thanks for jumping in there to draw the comparison.

- Dave

[stepnw1f]

60. Perfect! You Brought it Home! (nt)

[yurbud]

66. Catch-22 on gay issues--even if we are working on economic or war issues

media will focus on gay stuff because it is divisive and drives the righties to the polls.

To get elected though, Democrats need to learn to hone their message down to fewer points, repeat them until people know them by heart, and then actually do those things when they get to Congress.

Also, gays are at most 5-10% of the population, and the vast majority already vote democratic, so there is no point in trying to "woo" them during the campaign even if a candidate plans to do right by them if elected.

[LostinVA]

91. So, what are you saying re: equal rights?

Why are you confusing civil rights with political strategy?

Guess you didn't get the OP.

[readmoreoften]

100. Yeah, we're only 10% of the population. Why try to woo us?

Jews are only 4% of the population.
Blacks are only 13% of the population.
Hispanics are only 5% of the population.

No need to woo any of us. Or do right by any of us, for that matter.

[yurbud]

123. if you had to choose would you rather be wooed before the election

or done right by after?

To some degree it is either/or.

You might recall that in 1992, Clinton had that embarassing Sistah Soljah flap, seemingly only to convince mildly racist whites that he didn't like black people THAT much, but he still went on to be admired and trusted by a lot of black folks, and even called "the first black president." I don't even know if he did anything for black people.

My point is simply there are some cards you lay on the table and some you play closer to the vest. If Democrats make a lot of noise about gay rights, they are walking into a trap of GOP's making.

Of course whenever a Republican brings up gay marriage in a debate, the only appropriate response is, "So, are you saying if gay marriage is legal, you'll get confused and marry someone of the same sex? No? So you think your constituents are so weak-willed and stupid that they need a law to remind them what sex to be attracted to?"

[readmoreoften]

124. No one is ever going to *woo* us or ever has.

If democrats were really going to stand up for us after the election, I'd keep my gay mouth shut every time. But they're not. They're going to keep trying to win votes by showing America how much they don't support us. Gay people didn't "bring up the issue" a court decision was handed down according to the court's own timetable.

[cboy4]

125. Well, you handled that one for me....thanks

:)

[yurbud]

126. time is on your side--culture is changing faster than politics

when this generation of teens is old enough to be in congress, they will fix this issue.

I don't know how old you are, but when I was in high school in the late seventies, early eighties, there were no openly gay students, zero. But I ask my college students almost every semester if they knew openly gay kids at their high schools and they can't even figure out why I have to ask the question. Even the more conservative kids who mouth the anti-gay line don't have the visceral homophobia previous generations did.

[readmoreoften]

129. And fundamentalists are growing at an insane pace.

I was in high school in the eighties. I came out in the eighties. And I know there were no openly gay students. The reason why "culture is changing" is because GLBT people and their allies are working their butts off to make it happen.

The tolerant kids are more tolerant, which is important. But the vicious fundamentalists are far more vicious and their multiplying. We are going to be a political 3rd rail for a long time to come.

[yurbud]

131. I think they are getting more vicious on this issue because they are losing

maybe not in the law at the moment, but over time.

A good parallel in the church might be divorce. The New Testament fairly clearly condemns it, yet as society changed, the fundies were forced to roll with it since so many in their congregations are divorced--sometimes even the pastor.

[Sapphocrat]

143. When this generation of teens is old enough to be in Congress...

...I will be 60 years old.

Time is not on my side.

[Change has come]

127. GLBT are 5-10% of the population

add to that another 10-20% of the population that are our family and friends and support full human rights. Not an insignificant number.

[Maven]

138. ...

"Also, gays are at most 5-10% of the population, and the vast majority already vote democratic, so there is no point in trying to "woo" them during the campaign even if a candidate plans to do right by them if elected."

Psst. PSST. Hey buddy. We're in the room.

[Catherine Vincent]

71. His grandmother is white.

Hopefully that will help.

[LostinVA]

80. GREAT post -- thank you

[Zhade]

87. Well-said! Excellent analogy.

Thank you for caring about equal human rights for all.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

104. Reminds me of an old song:

They're rioting in Africa.
They're starving in Spain.
There's hurricanes in Florida,
And Texas needs rain.
The whole world is festering
With unhappy souls.
The French hate the Germans
The Germans hate the Poles.
Italians hate Yugoslavs
South Africans hate the Dutch
And I don't like anybody very much.
In far away Siberia
They freeze by the score
An avalanche in Switzerland
Just got fifteen more.
But we can be tranquil
And thankful and proud
For man's been endowed
With a mushroom shaped cloud.
And we know for certain
That some lovely day
Someone will set the spark off
And we will all be blown away.
They're rioting in Africa.
There's strife in Iran.
What nature doesn't do to us
Will be done by our fellow man.


--Sheldon Harnick

[WestSeattle2]

106. Well, you know "the gays" and "them blacks"....

they can dance, dribble, and decorate, but they can't no way govern.........why they'd be bossin' us white "normal" folks around, and that just ain't right........

:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

[cboy4]

110. E X A C T L Y

:spray: !!!

[BlooInBloo]

112. i KNOW!!! Because there's SOOO many white folks with PERFECT....

... views...

Cmon - you KNOW Ford is only there because of affirmative action - I feel bad for all of those more-qualified white folks that could do our nation SOOO much good. All in the name of political correctness. Sigh.


:rofl:

[cboy4]

119. No, no. If it means keeping African Americans at the back of the bus

so we can win elections, oh well, so be it. :eyes:

How can we help African Americans if Dems don't control congress?

As for you gays, well maybe we'll let you sit at the back of the bus once the African Americans leave. :eyes:

[mitchtv]

122. Good post

see you in the California Forum Too "moderate" here

[Clarkie1]

133. The only way we can win in the long run is with the courage to stay true to our values. nt

[pinto]

151. Locking.

To quote another GD Mod:

While this is a subject worthy of discussion, it has degenerated into an exceptionally warm dicussion with several flames popping up throughout the thread.

Contention aside, discussion is warranted, flaming is not.

Thank you for your understanding.

We are in consensus to lock this.