Prediction: if Ds take House but not Senate:

[Deep13]

The corporate media and especially Rush O'Hannity types will proclaim it as an R victory. Consequently, the "fact" will be that Bush won, despite actual R losses. They will phrase it as a great electoral feat considering the odds, Iraq and the national mood. This will occur even if the Ds make gains in the Senate. Of course the numerical odds in the Senate are on their side still because of the number of safe Rs vs. safe Ds up for reelection. They will say screechy, extreme Ds who they say includes Pelosi, Dean and Feingold drove swing voters away.

[villager]

1. ah, but what will they say under subpoena... in the House?

n/t

[jaysunb]

5. Heh Heh !!

You got that right ! :thumbsup:

[Deep13]

8. Nothing, since the answers may be self-incriminatory.

They'll take the 5th, you see. :-)

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. Of course they'll spin it. Who cares? Let them go lick their wounds.

As long as we at least get the House back, let them say what they want.

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[BruceMcF]

13. With periodic bouts of Republican scandal.

The "problem"{*} is that the Republicans have been assuming they would be in control for the indefinite future, and so they will find out, to their chagrin, where the cracks are only after the subpoenas are issued.

{* Note: As faced by Republicans ... not a problem for the rest of the country!}

[roamer65]

4. We take the House and Raisinbrain's...

legislative agenda is DONE. If we gain the House and get 49 seats in the Senate, I consider that to be a Dem victory. 51-49 is a very scant split and will be a difficult job for any Senate majority leader, Dem or Rethug. They'll hafta negotiate with Speaker Pelosi and have to achieve consensus. If Dems take the House, the Senate will simply be icing on the cake.

[Zensea]

6. prediction:some people will Always see the glass as half empty

and I'm not talking aboout the Rush O'Hannity types.

[Jackpine Radical]

7. So who ARE you talking about? I'm not up to figuring out

deep questions like that.

[bain_sidhe]

9. Probably me

If bushit and the pukes get to keep packing the courts, it may not matter whether we have the House - or even if we win the Presidency in two years.

I want the House, and would be happy to get it. But I think the Senate is more important.

[Deep13]

10. Well, it starts with Fox and Limbaugh...

...and those with WH marching orders. Then the rest of the corporate "news" media starts parroting it. Then people just accept it as fact, just like the "fact" that Michael Moore is crazy or that Ds are weak on defense. In the end, the Rs are left with their perception of invincibility and the average person sticks with the R brand loyalty. That may be overstating the matter given present poll numbers, but such figures are pretty transitory, after all.

[Zensea]

16. the original poster

I was trying to be polite by not being specific, but if you insist.
I just get very weary of people always looking at the dark side of things or more accurately at possible hypotheticals that are simultaneously paradoxically pretty much givens.
It's like they go out of their way to find something wrong with the world.
Of course media shills for Republicans are going to try to spin whatever happens.
Even if we take both the House and Senate, they'll try to find some way to spin it.
There's plenty wrong with the world to focus on as it is without wringing our hands about such types.

Plus I'm not entirely sure if "they" will claim it as a victory for the Republicans.
Either way I'll find out then and worry about it then. I don't buy the argument that it's particularly useful to discuss it now in order to be prepared, I can be plenty prepared without discussing hypothetical scenarios about possible spin points. The real test of victory or defeat will not be what media shills say but how the newly elected Democrats behave once in a position of power.

See, I'm one of those glass half full types on this subject.

[Deep13]

18. Well, I AM suggesting that victory is possible.

Seems like whenever I suggest we might win, some says, "Well Diebold will take care of that." 30 years of R dirty tricks have made it hard to be optimistic about fairness in media or popular culture.

[Zensea]

23. Excellent

Glad that you are not one of those Diebold obsessed individuals. (not that it's a bad idea to be concerned about Diebold in general terms)
They would be a good example of what I was thinking of.
I think I misread you a bit and unconciously reacted to having read so many posts here that do exactly that ( that is, say that "Diebold will take care of that) even though you weren't saying that.

[Jackpine Radical]

25. Actually, I knew who you meant, which is why I referred to

"figuring out deep questions like that." Sometimes I get too cryptic for my own good.

[Zensea]

26. Man am I dense, that went right past me

I get it now though:)

[IM paranoid]

11. If Dems take control of the Senate, watch out for suspicious plane crashes

Like the "accidents" that killed Sens. Paul Wellstone and Mel Carnahan

[Deep13]

12. Shit yah!

Sherrod Brown running for Senate in Ohio promised his wife he would not fly except on commercial jets during the campaign.

[cali]

14. I'm willing to wager that you're wrong.

The MSM will actually make a big deal out of the pukes loosing the house. Particularly as Nancy Pelosi will likely be speaker. They'll play it as a big win for dems, and as long as the dems pick up 3 or more seats, that'll get played as a dem win as well.

[mentalsolstice]

15. Shrub Will Claim He Has a Mandate

Maybe we've always misinterpreted him when he said that in 2000 & 2004...maybe he was referring to Jeff Gannon.}(

[Deep13]

19. Well know if he has a mandate by his corsage.

:evilgrin:

[HockeyMom]

24. Mandate to Stay the Course, Invade ----- to Spread Democracy,

Privatize this and that, give Paris more money for bling blings, bla, bla, bla.

[Eric J in MN]

17. Republicans are welcome to spin it anyway they want...

...as long as we get Speaker Nancy Pelosi for at least two years.

[Deep13]

20. Well that's looking pretty likely.

Time to get bin Laden's body out of the freezer and plant it in some rubble for photographers.

[Arkana]

21. Of course they will.

Anything other than massive gains for Dems in both houses will mean that the retards on the right will be able to spin it as a Republican victory.

The question is how we will handle it. Will we decide that because we didn't get a complete blowout that we should give up? Or should we use what little leverage we have to stop the Boy King and his miscreants?

[Catchawave]

22. I'm not dancing in the end zone yet :)

We still have the 72-hour vote vault coming up from the repukes who are counting that majority of Amerika really are as stupid as they'd want them to be.

Love,
Debbie Downer
WAAAAA-waaaa

[annabanana]

27. Don't care what they say....

If we have the House, we can throw a spanner in the works..

or a Spaniard, if need be.