VIDEO YOUR VOTE!!! Everyone, Video the screen AS YOU VOTE!

[Kablooie]

If the machines are cheating the only thing that will convince people is visual proof!

Most of you will probably have no problem but on the off chance that you do, HAVE VIDEO PROOF!

Telling people about it afterwards with no proof will have no more impact than yelling down a well.

If you video AFTER you've voted there also is no proof. You must anticipate problem BEFORE it occurs!

All we need are a couple of actual videos showing a vote being switched and the MSM will start frothing at the mouth to show them.

and THAT's when things begin to change.

[DRoseDARs]

1. As has been mentioned in similar threads, this isn't always legal...

You absolutely MUST check with local election officials to see what your local and state laws are regarding such activity. Some places allow it, some don't. Know beforehand.

[Azathoth]

2. I can't see that it would be a problem

Use a cell phone camera. If the machine gives you trouble, pull out your cell phone, take a video clip, put the phone back in your pocket. No one will take notice, and you don't have to tell the poll supervisor that you took the video if/when you report the problem.

In an absolutely worst-case, one-in-a-million scenario where someone starts giving you trouble for using your cell phone, tell them that you are documenting potential voter fraud and your Constitutional right to vote supersedes any local and state laws. Let them know that you have the ACLU's business card in your wallet, and if they're smart, they'll back off.

[DRoseDARs]

3. Good luck presenting illegal evidence in a court of law, nvrmnd the risk...

...of someone seeing you with your cellphone out at the booth and thinking YOU are fiddling with the machine. We've already identified the threat of some systems being tampered with via wireless access, so you damn well better believe that pulling out your cellphone next to a vote machine will draw suspicion.

If YOU'RE smart, you'll check what is and is not legal to do on the grounds of a polling place and what is and is not admissible in court.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

4. Haven't seen the other threads, but

it occurs to me that there is no way to prove that the screen I photograph is the one that shows my vote. Even if I placed ID in frame. So it may be ineffective as well as illegal.

[DRoseDARs]

5. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against collecting evidence, I just want people to...

...be smart about it. Breaking the law doesn't help the cause, it just makes you look stupid and the rest of us look bad.

[Azathoth]

6. You gotta be kidding me

First, illegal evidence? That's the cops dude, as in criminal investigations under the Fourth Amendment. Not you and me. You would be more than entitled to use the photos you took in support of a lawsuit. And if for some reason you actually ended up being prosecuted for taking out your friggin cell phone (and we're already drifting off into HIGHLY unlikely hypotheticals here, as the most that would likely happen to you is that you would be ejected from the polling place), then claiming that you were documenting a violation of your Constitutional rights would be a reasonable defense and the charges would almost certainly be dropped.

Second, I don't know where you get this idea that "pulling out your cell phone next to a vote machine will draw suspicion" because, quite frankly, I've done it. In fact, I've watched people gabbing on their phones while actually casting their votes. Granted they weren't Diebold machines, but they were still electronic machines. On the off chance that you happen to live in an area that is particularly nuts about prohibiting cameras/cellphones in the polling places (I'm sure there are at least a couple places like that), then play it smart and keep your cell phone in your pocket until you actually enter the booth so that no one can claim you are attempting to photograph anyone else.

Finally, if the poll workers are alert and trustworthy enough to notice one guy with a cell phone near a voting machine, then they are also going to be more than alert enough to pull a machine that people are complaining about.

Bottom line is that you have to stand up for your Constitutional rights. Besides, whipping out your cell phone and taking a quick video of the voting machine (particularly if you are behind a curtain for godsake) is not going to get you arrested.

[DRoseDARs]

7. Well, it is illegal to record conversations in NV without consent of all parties...

...so I'm curious how this is different. Those around you don't know whether or not you're recording what they are doing and neither do the poll workers. You can claim whatever you want, but you're going to be doing it before a judge and the point here is to educate yourself of local elections laws so you DON'T get to that point. :eyes:

It's amazing to me that we got ourselves worked up (rightly so) about Bush skirting laws, but here you are advocating doing exactly that. And pleading ignorance of the law is well-established as not a valid defense.