If Andy is "starring" in Harris's Film on HBO

[symbolman]

then who is the Slug on the HBO webpage?

Looks a LOT like the one who BILKED DU'rs out of a LOT of money. Is Andy sitting behind her so you can't see him, while he "stars" in the movie?

While a Film on this subject SHOULD be dedicated to Andy, I really don't think that having the Person actually STARRING in the film, as is WRITTEN in so many pieces about it, being the person WHO SCREWED ANDY to the WALL is such a good thing - you actually think that ANDY would want Harris to Tell HER BIZARRE Version of "Truth" when SHE Potentially DEFRAUDED so many on the Web, Through Air America's Randi Roades, sucked up to the Freepers?

Do you think he would be Proud of HER VERSION of ANYTHING? Doesn't anyone remember her on Randi Roades show DENYING that she FIRED him, WHILE it was on her own website? NOT going to Ohio then, and when ASKED by Randi, she said she, "Wasn't invited" or "didn't KNOW about it"? NO one remembers Randi at the end of the interview, after having put HER ass on the line, saying, "If we find out that you're using that money to BE in a MOVIE..." (that she'd be pissed)

That Harris (or her BOARD, which I believe Will Pitt described once as mostly Family), FIRED Andy when he just got back from his Sister's Funeral, and soon after he came down with Cancer himself, and she was DOUBTING the seriousness of his Disease? (as were others, mostly Freepers, ala Scamdy).

How in the HELL can ANYONE forgive that kind of behavior, or FORGET IT?

I'm willing to bet that this film is Riddled with more BS than fact, if Harris had anything to do with it, and it's TRAGIC.

I have a feeling that Andy's memory is BEING USED, just like Bush standing on the rubble of 911 to make himself a HERO. So now that Harris got someone to get her on TV (which Olbermann wouldn't do, his staff basically calling her a LIAR.) all is forgiven, she now has Some sort of LEGITIMACY?

Man oh man. And you wonder how the Repigs WIN almost every time. They let those on the "left" play ego centric games, even eating their own dead, being SO DESPERATE for fame and attention, that they will suffer ANY Indignity, even losing, being fed false info so the rest of the left get led down the primrose path.

If someone would please edit only the parts with Andy out for me to watch and enjoy him in life I would gladly watch that, but I can't give any credence to someone like Harris, not by a long shot.

I feel like this is an insult to Andy, and a Rovian move. Maybe the film maker has good intentions, but anyone who'd been here for awhile KNOWS who wrote her book in the first place, the DU did all the research, and a LOT of people know that Harris doesn't know how a computer works, and never did.

She'd even screamed about how her website was being HACKED, and then described HER OWN ISP as the Culprit.

Jesus, poor Andy. All that work he did and you know WHO is going to take the fucking CREDIT. Makes me sick.

Flame all you want, it doesn't change a thing for those who KNOW what she did, both to everyone on the DU, other websites and TO ANDY. Tragic.

Anyone ELSE have these memories or has my brain gone BAD? And PLEASE, ENOUGH with the "Dems/progressive circular firing squad" or "Just as long as the subject is OUT THERE, it's all OKAY." Because it ISN'T IF IT'S NOT THE TRUTH.

If it is NOT TRUTHFUL, and at this poing I do not KNOW for sure, but SUSPECT it could be hemoraging BULLSHIT the minute The Public Figure of Bev Harris OPENS HER MOUTH, repeat, if NOT Truthful it is MORE Damaging to the LEFT.

Once again, Poor Andy. I feel for him now more than ever. I'm sure he wanted NO more association with THAT WOMAN.

[Guaranteed]

1. Whoohoo! Drama! nt

[symbolman]

2. Can't help but agree with your sig line

and find it also Appropriate here. :)

[mmonk]

23. Well of course.

;-) I'll plug it here too if you like symbolman.

[aquart]

3. Not going to say it.

Oh, what the hell. This is a trash-talking rant heavy on insults and low on documentation.

And using Andy's illness and death as an excuse to codify a vendetta? Charming.

This sounded like something out of Ann Coulter's mouth.

[symbolman]

4. Were YOU missing the entire period that Harris

was whipping the DU into a FRENZY?

Sure I'll dig up some links, if you want, but comparing ME with Ann Coulter? Codify WHAT Vendetta? There were MANY people who once they found out they'd been had were PISSED.

You're welcome to your opinion but unless you were on vacation or had computer problems you know what I'm talking about.

You need to HEAR the Randi Roades MP3? I'll find that for starters.

Don't compare ME to Ann Coulter, I've done PLENTY for the Left. And without LYING.

[Richard Steele]

5. Bev Harris *IS* like something that came out of Ann Coulter's mouth.

"Complete and utter sociopathic slime" does not even BEGIN
to describe her. You should do some research.

There are Serial Killers for whom I have more compassion.

Not kidding.

[elehhhhna]

18. Let's be kind to each other, huh? Feelings are still raw and tender

with regard to Andy. Perhaps a bit of empathy is called for.

[troubleinwinter]

32. Empathy for Bev Harris???!!! You have GOT to be shitting.

Empathy for a sociopathic liar who has harmed and smeared so many? She doesn't have an empathetic molecule in her body. Do you have empathy for gorg W. bush, Rummy, Darth Drakul and Condeeew too? Pfft. Call out a fucking liar when you see em.

No shit feelings are raw. Bev was schmoozing with the Scamdy sickos when Andy was ill. Took his payroll withholdings from his paycheck, but didn't deposit HIS money for a over a year so he was unable to file for it when he was ill and in need. Fired and publicly smeared one of the most devoted effective elections reform activists and teachers of the issue?

Empathy for Bev? Seller of Clinton cigars, who claims to have bush in her corner, freeper who smears good people with lies?

I don't get it. WHY?

[elehhhhna]

40. No, silly. Empathy for other DUers. Lots of open wounds still here...

hell, I just found some stuff Andy sent me back in March of '05 TODAY. Took his # off my cell phone in July. Still miss his guidance.

edit to add: I was posting in response to Arquart, upthread.

[troubleinwinter]

43. Every time

I see a pink triangle avatar, my heart jumps a little.

July 7, on the anniversary of Andy's passing, I planted a willow tree. It is not a weeping willow, it is a Navajo Globe willow... upright and round like a globe. Andy's tree. I think of Andy's smile and wonderful humor and friendship to so many when I tend and admire that tree.

[elehhhhna]

46. sweet. n/t

[sandnsea]

8. It's okay to say the "f" word

I don't know, I get stuck on silly little things I guess. But that just pissed me the hell off and I'll never forget it. She said she had evidence in Florida, real hard evidence on film, of fraud. She's really the one that got everybody stirred up on 2004, more so than the exit polls or glitches or any of the rest. She went all over the internet screaming 'fraud' and she hasn't done a blessed thing to back it up. On top of everything else she's done, I don't find any need to cut her any slack.

[DoYouEverWonder]

14. Coulter wouldn't know the truth if it hit her in the face

Everything Symbolman posted above is true.

Maybe you weren't around here at the time and missed all the fun?

Bev Harris is an exploiter, user and abuser. What she did to Andy is unforgivable.

She has done much more harm to the voter fraud issue, then good.

I can't believe she's still out there making a 'name' and money for herself using this issue. But that was the only thing Bev was good at, making a name for herself.

[Carni]

15. When I heard about the selling of cigars by her

During the impeachment I knew she was some rovarian hired bullshit artist.

Sadly I did not know Andy except to read his posts but I have to agree about someone using her in a movie with him--from everything I have read the woman screwed him over deliberately.

[Stephanie]

19. You're wrong.

It's not a vendetta, it's a warning about the grifter. And I agree, if this film represents Bev's version of Andy's story, then he would be horrified. I'm hoping that's not what it's about. But symbolman is correct, as many of us who were directly involved would agree.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

24. It seems you haven't a clue. Go through the archives here and you will know

exactly what Symbolman is talking about.

Bev Harris is a fraud and her "ineptness" after the 2004 election (and stealing many people's hard earned donations) assisted the Busbots. Her insane, highly seen video footage of serving a subpoena on LePore made a laughing stock of the movement.
BTW...Harris was banned from DU

[troubleinwinter]

35. "Harris was banned from DU"

Along with innumerable transparent adoring sockpuppets.

[gkhouston]

39. yeah, enough to stock a Hanes outlet.

I heard Bev on Democracy Now this morning. When Amy said Bev was in the HBO documentary, I actually threw up in my mouth a little before changing the station ASAP.

[troubleinwinter]

34. "documentation" Be very, very careful what you wish for.

The documentation has all been posted and is all available (some was scrubbed by Bev, but saved by others). Would you have us repost years of material? We surely could, if you want all of Bev's lies and smears reposted. Perhaps you should do some research.... it isn't really worth the waste of our time to repost it for your edification, since you have not paid any attention and turn a blind eye to it.

[Wonk]

6. I hear where you're coming from, but I haven't seen the vid yet.

I don't know details of what's in it. Do you have a good link to somewhere that does?

[orleans]

9. a link to the synopsis

http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/hackingdemocracy/synopsis.html

[Wonk]

11. thanks

[orleans]

7. you're right. it was horrible, that bitch was horrible, the whole fucking

thing was horrible.

now hbo does a show about her? i read the synopsis and it sounds like it's the bev harris show. argh.

(would love to hear randi's show again when she talked with harris--if you can find it)

[symbolman]

12. I'll look for it

I know I have it somewhere - I'm travelling right now and have spotty web access.. it may be on another hard drive, but I bet I can find it on the web, so I'll look for it..

I have to get some rest tonight too, for tomorrow I go to meet with Ralph Steadman (the Cartoonist who worked with Hunter S. Thompson), he'd doing a book signing, he's written a book about his friendship with Hunter and his suicide.. Make great Xmas gifts :)

I'm going to try and talk him into doing the cover for the book I'm finishing up, wish me luck, between him and some hollywood interest it could really take off.

I'm Glad people haven't forgotten the insanity here, and elsewhere, and yes, as I indicated I'm going to hold off on Judgement for the most part until I see it, but from what I saw before it looked to me like it was the Bev Harris SHOW, and there's a good possibility in my mind that she could have buffaloed the Director. I talked with him once at length from England, he called me, a nice guy.

As a matter of fact I had told Harris when she called me LONG ago, that I would get the money together to fund a film about this with her and Andy, but she found someone else to do it, and am I RELIEVED :)

MAN, would THAT have been a MESS.

[trumad]

16. Thanks Symbolman.....

I wanted to write something similar yesterday but said fuck it... besides I was waiting for Kelvin Mace aka David to come in and refresh us all about Dame Harris.

This movie was the beginning of the end of Harris and what she did after, especially with Andy, will most certainly reserve her a spot in hell along with the rest of her new-found freeper Friends.

[symbolman]

45. I think Kelvin is taking a sabbatical

haven't heard from him lately, could use him now. Maybe he doesn't want to roll around in SHIT all over again now that she's come back to pollute the airwaves with her ignorance...

Yeah, her FREEPER Pals is what sent me over the edge, I never donated to her so I couldn't get the wrath up as some could who'd been screwed, but going to the Freepers was like hanging out behind the dumpster to get drunk and make fun of people going to WORK, or live in la la land, pretending you are some kind of brain surgeon, IN HER MIND.

She's crafty, but not all that smart.. notice how they play up the old "Grandma" thing with her? I sure hope her grandkids don't tell whoppers like her or they'll be standing in the corner at school all day long.. feel sorry for those kids, at least she can smother them in GIFTS at Xmas time, with all those donations burning a hole in her pocket.

I know she's USING Andy, and that's what kills me..watch it happen. THe older I get the MORE I "get it" in some ways, and can see trouble a LONG way off..

Like when the Mushroom people were after me, and every one told me I was paranoid :)

[Stephanie]

21. "The Bev Harris story for newbies and those who have forgotten"

This is David Allen's journal - the Randi audio should be in there someplace >

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Kelvin%20Mace

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

27. A must for newbies! Thank you Stephanie! I cannot stand it when they give

That Woman (or as you aptly put it, grifter) any sort of credence. It makes my skin crawl.

[troubleinwinter]

37. I think White Rose Society has the Randi Rhodes show with Bev.

Surely someone will give us the link!!!???!!!

[librechik]

10. I remember, symbolman

and I'm pissed I have to dread this documentary rather than eagerly anticipate it. No, I haven't seen it. But nothing really good can come from bad faith in the beginning.

[texasleo]

13. k & r

[elehhhhna]

17. Let's bag the drama until we see the film...

1) BH is a ReepCon PLANT. Said so for years and there, said it again. Google "Bev Harris" Clinton cigar for more info on her first at home business.

2) WWAD? Dunno. Termite could probably answer that question.

3) The film depicts documentary footage of BH. Hardee-har har! Everyone who sees it will have her number. If it shows Andy, same thing. Fine. You can't ruin something that's pure.

4) HBO produced it. Not BevFromCrazytown. HBO. They've made many vitally important docs before. They've earned the benefit of doubt.

We need more info. Dammning unread books, unseen films, etc. is best left to the other side, not us.

[SmokingJacket]

20. I blame her for driving the movement into the ground.

In spite of all the good work done by others, including you and Andy, it's only NOW getting a little traction in the larger mainstream -- YEARS later than it should and only after millions and millions of dollars worth of machines have been put in place.

And it scares me, too, that her ghoulish face rises up just in time to jinx everything -- just when the average American is beginning to realize that we have a serious election problem.

(Didn't Andy name his tumor after BH? That pretty much says it all.)

[blondeatlast]

22. The mess at DU turned me off on the issue and now that BH

has been thoroughly discredited in my eyes, I'm only now starting to care again.

It's just a horrible pity when so many invested so much honest work into such an enormous threat to democracy.

Please, Andy, rest in peace. The work will go on in your name, and justice and democracy WILL prevail.

[Generic Other]

25. I received this email from Andy's partner yesterday

Hi Everyone, Looks like Andy has hit the "Big Time!" Andy was in a 30 minute documentary released in 2004 titled "Votergate." But now in time for the elections the film makers (Russ & Rob) have used additional footage to make an updated full length documentary feature titled "Hacking Democracy" and dedicated the film to Andy. It will be released on HBO this coming Thursday, Nov. 2nd. Additional showing will air. Hope you all get a chance to see it! Russ tells me there is footage of Andy in it I haven't seen. I'm on pins and needles!

BTW, I share your concerns.

[renate]

29. if it's dedicated to Andy shouldn't it be okay?

They wouldn't dedicate the film to him if they didn't know him (or know enough about him) to do it right.

Right?

(hoping)

[troubleinwinter]

36. Andy deserves every single bit of credit given to him.

He was utterly, truly, deeply devoted to the cause.

Of course, Bev publicly smeared him, but that is parr for the course with Bev.

[Generic Other]

41. Andy's partner trusts the film makers

I emailed him this thread and here is his response:

Andy worked with Russ and Rob even after he was sick and Bev had done her best to discredit and sabotage him, He made sure Russ and Rob had everything they needed for their film. Russ considers himself an objective journalist: dedicating the film to Andy was his doing and he asked me if he could do so. I don't think Russ would be a "sell-out" to somebody like Bev and make the final cut a "Praise Bev Fest!" As much as I don't like seeing Bev in the film, Russ thought highly of Andy and will portray him in a positive light, and that's all I care about.

Of course, some of us who know exactly how Bev will use this film to her advantage can't help but be sickened. And she will use it too. She will ride Andy's coat tails, his memory while painting herself as the Erin Brockovich of voting machines. Big deal. We know the truth.

Maybe what we all have to keep in mind is that the movement for honest elections has progressed beyond Bev's control. Be glad. That's a good thing. Important people with more expertise are now involved. They don't depend on Bev to do their fundraising. Or to promote them. They don't need her anymore. And neither do we.

I'm going to watch and enjoy seeing Andy once again and celebrate that. I'll mute Bev. :)

[troubleinwinter]

42. I am pleased to read this response.

[symbolman]

44. Good news and good advice

I'm happy that friends and family are positive about this, I was worried that somehow Andy would be Disgraces by THAT WOMAN, and a buffaloed Director, sent to crazytown by Harris.

Thanks for posting this, I meant no harm or to spread bad feelings to friends and family, just sounded like Andy was going to be Featured and when I went to the synopsis I saw something I just wanted to POUR SALT ON, call it a slug or an old OPEN WOUND. :)

I wish all the best to the family and I will be using the MUTE button as needed as well :)

Be fun to see Andy in the Pink again, though I imagine we'll have to keep a box of tissues at the side..for the WIFE of course..

THANKS!

[WilliamPitt]

26. Yeah

I was pretty thrilled about this...until I saw the actual synopsis. Ug.

Well, I'm going to reserve judgment until I see the thing.

Glad you said this.

[KoKo]

33. I wonder if HBO based it on that "downloadable video" that showed

Bev and Andy going around the country trying to get folks to look at the machines. It was in the early days and emphasized both Andy and Bev and how they were the first to expose that the machines could be hacked.

It was years ago...after Bev imploded on DU that the video was availabe and I downloaded it and got two Repugs to switch their vote to Kerry after seeing the video. But, when I praised it on DU I got trashed because everyone was still so angry with Bev. My point was that that video was really good...even though some said there was a better one.

If it's the video I'm thinking of then there's alot of Andy in it and it would be a tribute to him. It showed them working together "for good."

I don't get HBO so will not be able to see it...but I'm hoping that it's positive and based on that early video that will show alot of footage of Andy.

[hunter]

28. Just great. Just great. The Bev Harris show.

:puke:

[troubleinwinter]

31. I thought that when

the movie was made, it was gonna have Kathy Bates play Bev?

[troubleinwinter]

30. You are entirely correct....

"BILKED DU'ers out of a LOT of money"

Her site referred to the many $$$$$$ donations collected from DUers as "chump change".


"sucked up to the Freepers"

Yes, she posts on FR and conversed by private email and posted to 'franksolich' (an administrator of the 'Scamdy' site, attacking Andy), telling him "your sentiments are adorable" while Andy was fighting for his life.

She bragged to the freepers that gorg W. bush was "in our corner". Shows what corner BH is in.


"SHE Potentially DEFRAUDED so many.... through Randi Rhodes"

She claimed to have collected $24k, but Kelvin Mace (David Allen) showed us documented evidence that she LIED again, taking in some $240+K as a result of RR alone.

The money was to pay for FOIAs and she promised the FOIA results would be posted on her site. One year and five months after the RR $$$$ collection... exactly four out of 3,000 counties were posted (actually three... she said the fourth had been posted and then lost). She REFUSED to give the rate of compliance, though I asked five times. DONORS PAID for the info to be collected and posted as promised.

"her BOARD (of Directors)"

You forgot Jim March, who Bev brags is a "freeper", is a professional lobbyist, member of Republican Liberty Caucus (http://www.rlc.org/?p=FAQ), hoped to become a millionaire from the Qui Tam, and refers to DUers as "commies".

One of our board members, Jim March, has done some fantastic work on this issue, and I guess you'd describe him as a "freeper" -- he's a gun lobbyist who supports George Bush.

Bev

http://www.thoughtcrimes.org/bushbought.htm

Jim March's comments regarding Qui Tam:

The profit potential here is just crazy. ...wait'll they get a load o' me and a couple million bucks to toss around.

(referring to DU) ...the various "commies" over there are choking over the idea of profit getting wrapped up in activism. ...Silly commies.

I'm a professional gun rights activist in CALIFORNIA, if I didn't keep my sense of humor in this commie hell-hole I'da gone nuts ages ago.

Bev and I are due to split a cut of the winnings (a "bounty"). It'll vary between "bigtime fun money" each to "retirement-level" loot.

Lockyer now has the same opportunity and he's liable to drag Bev and I along on a VERY profitable (kaCHING!) ride.

... say I get...I dunno, we'll use $5mil as a ballpark round number.

The situation is overall better if Bev is involved: my $2.5m gets hit by Feds and Calif, Bev's same ($2.5m) gets hit by Feds. No single dollar gets taxed twice.

(~Jim March)


Professional gun lobbyist, Republican Liberty Caucus, wanna-be Qui Tam millionare, Jim March

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90961&perpage=999

Aside how she treated Andy by firing him, publicly smearing him, and encouraging freepers and Scamdy sickos, recall that she did not deposit income taxes withheld from Andy's paychecks for over a year, so he was unable to file for a needed refund while he was ill.


"circular firing squad", "Just as long as the subject is OUT THERE"

Bev Harris has relentlessly lied about and smeared MANY genuine, committed election reform activists. She has HARMED the cause. Sure, she has gotten publicity, but by trampling on the backs of many devoted, hard-working, effective activists, trashing them all the while, and sucking up the money that could better be utilized by legitimate organizations.

It makes me gag that Bev Harris smears, lies and does her best to harm dedicated activists is associated with the cause... sucking up attention, energy and dollars from well-intentioned, but naive supporters. "The End justifies the Means" isn't OK with a pathological liar sociopath sucking resources from legitimate activists. I want our own house cleaned of filth like this.

[Generator]

38. She's backkkkkk.......she was on Democracy Now this morning

Most of what she said was really simple, ie, videotape on election day, all computers are hackable etc, also though she got a swipe in that now it's the REPUBLICANS concerned with voting machines, it's not just Democrats anymore. (was refering to Repub gov of Maryland)