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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 10:52 AM
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Screw the polls.
Its about as helpful to our cause as contemplating our belly buttons. Stop looking for hope out on the internets! Now is the time to get out there and MAKE THIS HAPPEN while we still have a chance!
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:02 AM
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1. Polls are meaningless.........
ONLY those that CARE ENOUGH to get up off their ass and take the time to vote ACTUALLY MATTER and COUNT! Let's just hope 'WE' can overcome the RW electronic voting machines.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:04 AM
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2. of course it comes down to people voting, but polls are meaningful
in some ways, if as you say the GOP can steal the election we got all of these polls indicating its a big democratic year and it would be some evidence that something strange happened--if for some reason the GOP does "better than expected."
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:10 AM
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3. Without the 'paper trail' how does ANYBODY prove ANYTHING........
it would almost have to be intentional that there is NO 'paper trail'; NO evidence, NO crime.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 11:44 AM
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4. thats why we need to win by big margins
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Frank Nata Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:06 PM
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5. I've lost hope
Sorry all, I just don't see anything getting done even if we take back the House and Senate.

No one's going to impeach Shrub.
No one's going to force him to pull troops from Iraq.
No one's going to roll back the tax cuts.
No one's going to put in a REAL SUPREME COURT JUSTICE!
and no way in hell anyone's gonna balance the budget.

You know why?

Even if we win we're not going to win big. Even if we lose, they're not going to win big. The balance is going to stay the same effectively. 1-5 seats out of 435 is nothing. If the planets align and Diebold breaksdown, we're still not going to get anything through the Senate because those people will filibuster anything of value. Seriously:

Can you see senate Repugs NOT blocking impeachment? No way
Can you see senate Repugs accepting a budget that cuts funding for troops in Iraq? No way
Can you see senate Repugs allowing anything to get through? Nope.

They'd never do it in normal times, but on 11/8...the 2008 race for the White House begins, and not only will senate Repugs block everything, 10-15 House and 10-15 senate members from both parties are going to start juggling for poll position. No one's going to take a stand and do what's needed, and if they did...they'll never get anything past the jerks who want to maintain the status quo.

The only way to win is to win big, and we blew it this time. I don't know how, but we did. Democrats had a 28 seat gain at one point in the House and a 5 seat gain in the Senate. Now polls show we won't get either.

I've lost hope.

Diebold
State senators who fix elections
BS impeachments of the best Presidents while the WORST PRESIDENT EVER gets a free pass and all his oil-gargling, blood-thirsty scumbag friends at Haliburton and ENRON make billions.

Nah...I think I'm gonna do the usual and vote all Democrat, but I don't think it's going to make a difference-not more of a difference than it did in 94, 96, 98, 00, 02, or 04.

All the while, I dare say I'm starting to look seriously at what used to be taboo tickets: socialists. Slogan ought to be "It's not your comrade's same ole party anymore"

The DNC is DOA. Gov Dean has talked a good talk, but he's failed to walk the walk.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 01:12 PM
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8. Activism is the cure for soulsickness
and its the only cure.

Welcome to DU!
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Frank Nata Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 07:46 AM
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9. THANKS!
It's good to be here with so many who don't think I'm crazy

Activism...I can see that, but maybe we need more than just talking about elections. I think it's going to take a march on the White House!
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:08 PM
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6. That is exactly what they are doing.
Screwing with the polls
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Frank Nata Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:16 PM
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7. My point exactly
They've done it before, they're doing it again. Diebold.

This election is going to be as big a sham as all the others.

Regime Change in DC is going to have to happen by some other means. Where's Rev King now that we need him the most?!
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