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Hulsey13 Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:18 PM
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Kerry vs. Bush - Double Standard
Today's big news story is about a speech John Kerry made yesterday. First, the details.

This is what Kerry had scripted to say:

“I can’t overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don’t study, if you aren’t smart, if you’re intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq.”

And this is what Kerry actually said:

“You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”

So his intended target was George W. Bush, but not saying those two words does make his statement seem like he was talking to the students about their behavior and actions. A simple mistake easily corrected, right? Not a chance.

This coming a week before mid-term elections, every Republican near a microphone began attacking John Kerry as "insulting and shameful" (George W. Bush), "an insult to every soldier serving in combat" (Sen. John McCain), and "absolutely insulting" (Press Secretary Tony Snow).

Kerry held a press conference today to defend the meaning of his remark, if not the actual delivery. He stated that his remarks were clearly intended as an attack on the President and his administration and their failed policies in Iraq. Personally, I find it hard to believe that anyone truly thinks John Kerry would attack the troops when the President is so easy and obvious a target.

So what do I mean when I write "Kerry vs. Bush - Double Standard"? Let's take a look at a few of George Bush's infamous public statements:

"People don't need to worry about security. This deal wouldn't go forward if we were concerned about the security for the United States of America." --George W. Bush, on the deal to hand over U.S. port security to a company operated by the United Arab Emirates, Washington, D.C., Feb. 23, 2006

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

"It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm's way." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

"You work three jobs? Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." --George W. Bush, to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

"We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." --George W. Bush, Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002

"Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him." -- George W. Bush, discussing Osama bin Ladin, Washington, D.C., Mar 13, 2002

"But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me." --George W. Bush, summing up his first year in office, Washington, D.C., Dec. 20, 2001

So where was the right-wing machine when President Bush was making these comments? They were completely silent as our own President says:

* We are not thinking about national security
* We're promoting sheer propaganda
* We want to help those who would harm us
* Working three jobs to make ends meet is a good thing
* We should work to harm Americans
* We should consume more resources
* He's not concerned about the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks
* 2001 was a fabulous year

Now let's be real. I do not believe that the President meant any of these things. He is not exactly a polished public speaker, and these statements did not reflect the actual message he was trying to convey. In fact, oft times they stated the exact opposite.

So why are we now attempting to crucify John Kerry for his statement, when we know from the context of his speech - and his later clarification - that the words were directed at this President and this administration?
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:22 PM
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1. kick
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Red Right and BLUE Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:24 PM
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4. Thank you and welcome! k n r nt
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:23 PM
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2. VERY nicely done!!!!
:applause:

How did the media not crawl all over him when he said 2001 had been a fabulous year for him and Laura? That statement alone should have made him a one-term president.

Welcome to DU!

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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:24 PM
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3. Too true.
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cspanlovr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:24 PM
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5. Infuriating, isn't it? Damn librul media.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:27 PM
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6. And don't forget the WMD Skit where he made fun of the lack of WMDs
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:04 PM
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22. I'm sure the troops appreciated the WMD 'jokes'
Bush is the joke.
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:31 PM
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7. why doesn't Kerry's staff
Edited on Tue Oct-31-06 05:31 PM by Scriptor Ignotus
distribute what he was scripted to say? I heard on CNN that his staff is saying he flubbed his line, but why not show what the line was? Yes, it's lame and awkward to say the "joke" now, but it's better than having this nasty fart of a gaffe linger in the room for another day or two.

edited for grammar.
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Hulsey13 Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:33 PM
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9. How about a video of it?
Another DU'r had a great idea. The word is that Kerry has used this joke before, about Bush. Find a video of him saying it correctly, and get even MORE time on CNN insulting the President and highlighting the failures in Iraq?
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 10:24 AM
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16. that would be better, yes.. eom
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SupplySideLiberal Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:07 PM
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24. I agree.
Even after the press conference it's natural for everyone to misunderstand.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:33 PM
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8. Well done!
:applause:
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ContraCommando Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:38 PM
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10. Yes, there is a double standard
One guy tells a joke and the other guy lies about WMD and tricks America into a pointless war. The guy who tells the joke (a war hero) is labeled unpatriotic while the other is not (draft dodging chicken hawk who got out of Vietnam because his daddy was rich and influential).
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boolean Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:41 PM
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11. KICK REC
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Hulsey13 Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:46 PM
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12. Okay. New guy question.
What does "Kick Rec" mean in a reply to my post?
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 06:57 PM
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13. to kick means to reply so the thread goes back up to the top of the list
...for the benefit of those who didn't get a chance to see it earlier. Kinda like I'm doing now. :)

And "rec" means recommended. Like I already did.
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iilana X Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 07:07 PM
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14. Right on! KICK & RECOMMEND!
:kick:
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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 10:14 AM
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15. Let's not forget what Bush said after 9/11
Sept. 6, 2001: "The only time to use Social Security money is in times of war, times of recession or times of
severe emergency. And I mean that!"
October 2001, referring to 9/11: "Lucky me. I hit the Trifecta!"
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 10:26 AM
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17. Don't forget Bush's "Joke" about WMD
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Hulsey13 Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 10:45 AM
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18. Hey. It's on the DU homepage.
This post of mine made it to the DU homepage. Not sure how that happened, but I think it's pretty cool. Got to go now, though. Back to discussing the topic with my fellow former Marines in an online reunion group. Wish me luck.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 10:55 AM
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19. Great post!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:56 PM
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20. So true -- and so typical of our corporate news media
And btw, George Bush DOES mean some of those things:

He was NOT concerned about bin Laden.

He DOES think it's great for Americans to work 3 jobs to make ends meet.

He DOES want to encourage Americans to consume more.
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Hulsey13 Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:58 PM
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21. I stand corrected.
You're right. Giving him the benefit of the doubt on many of these issues is foolish. His actions speak far louder than his mangled words.
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SupplySideLiberal Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:05 PM
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23. The scripted version makes perfect sense
It's too bad Kerry let his anger get the best of him, or, perhaps, decided that a show of anger was the most important part of his response. If he'd calmly and clearly conveyed the scripted version at the press conference, I think this whole thing would have evaporated.
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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 02:50 PM
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25. And yet why would everyone assume Kerry's voice is THE voice? nt
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 03:26 PM
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26. Except there's a difference between not meaning it and not meaning to say it!
A couple of those * quotes above are, IMHO, the TRUTH for the administration:

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."

"We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." --George W. Bush, Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002

I have little doubt that these statement, as stated, reflect conversations in the WH -- * just wasn't supposed to let on the truth.

But your point is a good one - * is harldy one to talk. So to speak.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 03:51 PM
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27. Difference: Re-pigs have a coordinated Raging Dog apparatus to flood the media
whenever a Dem inserts foot into mouth.

Dems have not mastered the art of the massive talking point Media on-slaught.

Take the douche that was representing Dem's on Matthews last nite, he looked like a polite and lost school boy next to the fat chatter-box Talking Point SOLIDER THAT WOULD NOT SHUT UP next to him.

Every political cable show had several (SEVERAL) screaming faces representing the Re-pigs and Dems could barely scrape together a mousy squeaker or two for the entire evening.
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Peanutcat Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 04:07 PM
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28. I love you!
I really, really do! This is just what I needed to refute some idiot who's whining about Kerry's speech. Thank you!
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Hulsey13 Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 04:48 PM
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29. My pleasure.
It's nice to know that something I wrote is helpful to others. I have used many things found here at DU in my own offline discussions!
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 05:42 PM
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30. Where is a copy of the scripted speech? Link, please! n/t
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