Air America Blacklist by HP

[LiberalArkie]

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[otohara]

1. Well, I Know Which Laptop We Won't Be Buying

for our college bound kid.

[melissinha]

4. just go Apple and be done with it

You can now switch from platforms and when you are not in Windows you will be safe from viruses.

[Crunchy Frog]

2. Good list of companies to boycott.

[Qutzupalotl]

8. First compare this list with the list of Rush advertisers.

Boycott any that match. (Like WELCH'S)

I don't have a problem with companies trying to avoid anything that might be seen as controversial. But if they have one standard for Rush, another for AAR, then f'em.

[Earth_First]

3. To be honest with you, I'm a bit shocked that REI is listed on this list...

I've been a consumer of REI outdoor products for nearly a decade. No longer.

Looks like I'm changing auto insurance as well.

[melissinha]

6. Can you tell me why Kohl's is on the list?

Is Senator Kohl somehow not happy with AAR?


I saw my Ins Company, my bank, my cell co.... man that pisses me off!

SEE?Home Depot is there, Lowe's is not, I shop at Lowe's anyways....

[dragonlady]

22. Sen. Kohl sold the company a long time ago n/t

[Cobalt Violet]

9. I was planning on buying a new backcountry ski package this year.

But I don't know now.

[jimshoes]

5. Thanks, I will do my best to avoid buying any of

these corporations and brands. Bookmarking

[KharmaTrain]

7. ABC/Disney Doesn't Have Any AAR Affiliates

Also the American Heart Association is a NON PROFIT organization. They do not pay for advertising and many station who do air their announcements do so in leiu of a paying advertiser.

Sorry...two major discrepencies here that question the authenticity of that memo.

[Qutzupalotl]

13. Good catch! This may be a prank, folks.

[LTR]

16. It's legit

Peter B. Collins was talking about it last Friday on his show. It was sent in anonymously. After working in all facets of the radio industry for three decades or so, I'm sure Collins knows what he's talking about.

Also, ABC does have a sub-network who's sole purpose is the syndication of national advertising spots. A station I used to work at used Westwood One, another big network (now owned by CBS).

Here's how it works: A national advertiser makes just a few ad buys with a syndicator. Instead of going to thousands of local stations making individual buys, they only have to make a few that get sent to affiliates across the country. This makes it much easier for the Oreck vaccuum cleaner guy to get his message out. And much cheaper.

There are a few AAR affiliates that affiliate with ABC Radio for various things, whether it be news breaks or national spots.

I do not doubt the validity of this. Looks to be the real deal.

[KharmaTrain]

20. I've Seen Similar Lists For Other Formats

I'm very aware of how network ad buys are done...and I posted in another thread something similar to what you just posted...but that's not how this memo is being portrayed. I've seen "blacklists" against Sports Talk stations and Urban station, but to use this as a reason that AAR or Progressive talk radio is failing is a deception.

If you know advertising then you know that ratings trump all...and a list like this usually cuts both ways. It's to avoid any controversial programming where it may be construed that a company through a bulk network buy is somehow associated with a political agenda.

I listen regularly to the local AAR affiliate and have always paid close attention to the spots...especially the rare local paid ones (tons of trade-outs) as well as those that come down from AAR (most are generic Oreck & PI spots) and the network news that's another slew of generic agency spots. The only affect this may have is on a handful of affiliates that may air ABC News, but it's not a boycott of the AAR.

Again, I reference the American Cancer Society's name on that list as calling up a red flag as it's a non-profit. Also there are many other companies on that list that don't advertise on radio...long jetisoning that medium years ago for television.

If people are interested in supporting Blue companies...they need to actively support their local AAR advertisers or help in promoting other local Progressive radio programs...including the many that are on Public stations that rely on donations rather than advertising to stay on the air. Trying to use this as as a reason for AAR's failures is deceptive.

[brentspeak]

10. Hewlett Packard: a once great company run into the ground by today's execs

[LiberalFighter]

11. Text version (Best I could do)

Allstate
American Heart Association
Avents?
Avon (all brands)
Benix of America?
Bayer (All Products)
BMW Motorcycles
Carrier?
Chattam - Cap ???
Chattam - Gold Bond 1st Aid
Chattam - Gold Bond Foot Spray
Chattam - Phisoderm
Chattam - Selsun Salon
Chattam - Ultimate Heating Lotion
Cigne
Cingular
Clorox
Coke
Coly?
Dean's Morningstar Foods
Dell
Denny's
Discovery Channel
EHarmony.com
Epson
Expedia.com
Exxon Mobil
Farmers Insurance
FedEx
Foot Action
Frito-Lay
GE
Gillete Venus
Goodyear
Heinekin/Amstel Light
Hershey's
Hewlett Packard
Home Depot
Hormel
Hyatt
Interstate Batteries
J C Penney
Johnson & Johnson (all brands)
Kohl's
Kraft Foods (all brands)
Levi's
Master???? USA (all brands)
McDonald's
Merial Frontline?
MGM
Michelin
Microsoft
Morningstar
National Cattleman's Beef
Nestle
Nissan
NYSE
Office Depot
Outdoor Life Network
P&G - Bounty
P&G - Febreeze
P&G - Iams Dog/Cat Foods
P&G - Pepto Bismo
Paramount (all)
Pepsi
Philip Morris
Pier 1 Imports
Red Lobster
Re/Max
RE: Sporting Goods?
Rent-way
Robert Hall
Schering Plough ESPYs
Schering Plough Tinactin
Sherwin Williams
Sony
State Farm
Toys R Us
Travelcity.com
True Value
United Healthcare
US Navy
USPS
Visa
Walgreens
Wal-Mart
Welch's
Wrigley
Wyein??

Lastly

Hewlett Packard

[LiberalFighter]

12. By the way... I knew I hated EHarmony.com for some reason

[bpeale]

14. here's a few of the translations/corrections to the list

Avents? = Aventis (its a drug maker)
Coly? = Coty (makers of perfumes, etc.)
Master???? USA (all brands)= Mastercard (I assume this based on the fact that VISA is on the list)
RE: Sporting Goods? = REI Sporting Goods
Travelcity.com = Travelocity.com (travel agency & their stupid gnome)
Wyein?? = Wyeth (another drug maker)

[bpeale]

15. oops

Master???? USA (all brands)= Mastercard (I assume this based on the fact that VISA is on the list) = I was wrong, it's Masterfoods USA (all brands)

[bpeale]

17. Chattam - Cap ??? = Chattam - Capsasin

[LiberalFighter]

21. Updated and Corrected List (Thanks for help)

Allstate
American Heart Association
Aventis
Avon (all brands)
Benix of America?
Bayer (All Products)
BMW Motorcycles
Carrier?
Chattam - Capsasin
Chattam - Gold Bond 1st Aid
Chattam - Gold Bond Foot Spray
Chattam - Phisoderm
Chattam - Selsun Salon
Chattam - Ultimate Heating Lotion
Cigne
Cingular
Clorox
Coke
Coty
Dean's Morningstar Foods
Dell
Denny's
Discovery Channel
EHarmony.com
Epson
Expedia.com
Exxon Mobil
Farmers Insurance
FedEx
Foot Action
Frito-Lay
GE
Gillete Venus
Goodyear
Heinekin/Amstel Light
Hershey's
Hewlett Packard
Home Depot
Hormel
Hyatt
Interstate Batteries
J C Penney
Johnson & Johnson (all brands)
Kohl's
Kraft Foods (all brands)
Levi's
Masterfoods USA (all brands)
McDonald's
Merial Frontline?
MGM
Michelin
Microsoft
Morningstar
National Cattleman's Beef
Nestle
Nissan
NYSE
Office Depot
Outdoor Life Network
P&G - Bounty
P&G - Febreeze
P&G - Iams Dog/Cat Foods
P&G - Pepto Bismo
Paramount (all)
Pepsi
Philip Morris
Pier 1 Imports
Red Lobster
Re/Max
REI Sporting Goods
Rent-way
Robert Hall
Schering Plough ESPYs
Schering Plough Tinactin
Sherwin Williams
Sony
State Farm
Toys R Us
Travelocity.com
True Value
United Healthcare
US Navy
USPS
Visa
Walgreens
Wal-Mart
Welch's
Wrigley
Wyeth

Lastly

Hewlett Packard

[moondust]

28. Company policy?

If you advertise during strictly left-wing programming you offend right-wingers and vice versa. Safer for business to stay on middle ground.

Do any of them advertise during strictly right-wing programming?

[bpeale]

18. Hewlett Packard

I hope those HP execs have fun in prison <assholes>

[rpannier]

19. That's sort of interesting

I was watching CNN International Today and they were doing a segment on corporations and which Party they donate to. They said Coke, Pepsi, Apple and CostCo donate almost exclusively to the Democratic Party.
I'm kind of surprised they are on that list.

[yorkiemommie1]

24. BuyBlue.org

has listings for Coke, Pepsi, Costco etc...

http://www.buyblue.org/directory/alpha

[Rosco T.]

23. Here's a possiblity... it wasn't the sponsors that ...

.. said "Don't put us on AAR"..

IT WAS ABC RADIO ADVERTISING...

as someone pointed out, ABC Radio ADVERTISING places advertising... what better way to 'kill' a network fighting bankruptcy than to make sure NO ADVERTISING GOES ON THEM.

[LTR]

25. I don't buy it

ABC is in the business of selling advertising. They really only care about making money and promoting Mouse-type stuff that will make them money. They aren't gonna blacklist.

Of course, if advertisers don't want to advertise with a particular format, ABC has no choice but to obey their wishes.

[Rosco T.]

26. Then why would 'Blue' companies like Coke want not to...

.. advertise?

[LTR]

27. Sponsors often decline to advertise on polarizing programming

That would include political talk shows and other controversial programming (Howard Stern, for example).

From what I've observed, Coke seems to prefer younger-skewing music formats. I don't recall them advertising on any talk radio, though I'll be the first to correct myself if that's not the case.