"I guess Kerry wasn't content blowing 2004, now he wants to blow 2006, too."

[truthpusher]

From an ABC article:

By the time Kerry got to a microphone in Seattle this afternoon to explain what he called a botched joke about the president, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Americans, had already heard about this new issue and Republican candidates were talking about it.

"It disgusts me that a bunch of these Republican hacks who have never worn the uniform of our country are willing to lie about those who did," Kerry added.

What's unclear is if Kerry's comments will help rally Republican voters or help their party portray Democrats as against the troops to score victories next Tuesday. A Democratic congressman told ABC News, Tuesday, "I guess Kerry wasn't content blowing 2004, now he wants to blow 2006, too."

link to complete ABC article: http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2619383&page=1

[Mass]

1. This congressman has the courage of his convictions.

Not even a name!!

[bryant69]

47. I noticed that too

What exactly does he think he is accomplishing, unless he has a personal animus against Kerry.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[wordpix]

58. "not even a name"---yes, let's hear who this congressman is---hello, out there?

[EvangelOphileBlican]

67. The same talking point john King was spewing on Lou Dobbs n/t

[flyarm]

2. b.s...........nonsense...this is utter b.s..........n/t

[flyarm]

53. kerry just put a million bucks up for dems..what has hillary done??

she can't even walk over to the next state and help a real dem..lamont..get off it please..kerry has more rights than little lord pissy pants deserter, cheney 5 deferments, rush anal cysts..and all of the fucking rethug cowards put together...fuck anyone who says a damn thing about him negative..so where is the same media when pissy pants can't even put a damn sentence together..and needs an ifb in his ear..with the wizard of oz telling him what to say in his ear..and he still can't get it fucking right..

hell i can't even stand to listen to the coward moron!

where is the same media demanding this admin tell the truth about this war..and where were they when pissy pants started this war of lies and murder???????

bullshit is bullshit..anyone who falls for this crap any more deserves the government of little lord pissy pants..the lying mother fucking murderer!

fly

[OzarkDem]

3. Dem congressman is right

Kerry needs to disappear for a while. We have much better Dems to speak out about the problems in Iraq.

[Mass]

7. Really? It seems to me that Kerry has been very outspoken on Iraq for a while now.

I certainly hope he does not listen to the handwringers.

[OzarkDem]

25. Then he needs to learn

how to discuss the issue without sounding like a pompous ass.

Lots of other Dems have been on the campaign trail discussing it better - convincing voters to hold Bush accountable and not leaving themselves vulnerable to attacks from the GOP.

Kerry needs to learn a few lessons from his fellow Dems campaigning in 2006. And he owes them a big apology.

[JackBeck]

32. Wanna supply some examples instead of some broad pronouncements?

Kerry has been very outspoken about this failed Iraq policy for quite some time. Did you read his OP-Ed piece in the NYT? Clearly sets a plan for what course we should take in Iraq. You might change your mind if you read it. Plus, the TV doesn't cover most, if any, of his speeches on this issue. But if you do some research, you'll find all the speeches he's made since 2004 on this issue.

[OzarkDem]

42. His most recent quote is evidence enough

One thoughtless remark, easily taken out of context makes great ammo for GOP'ers to use against Dem candidates.

Most voters don't have time to read through Kerry's op-eds or position statements.

[JackBeck]

97. It wasn't a thoughtless remark.

It was something taken out of context which you seem to fall in line with.

What a cop out to say that most voters don't have time to read what politicians have to say.

Are you as lazy as them? Read what he has to say and form your opinion from that.

Try not to make such unsubstantiated accusations when you don't even have the facts. You might learn something.

[SouthernBelle82]

65. And you can easily

go to his official website to see his recent speeches there. Http://www.johnkerry.com All of his recent events and going back to his "Dissent" speech is there last time I checked.

[Mass]

35. Sure, ask Murtha if he was not subject to the GOP attacks,

ask Sestak, Murphy, ...

I am not sure where you have been these last few months, but every single Democrat who has tried to speak clear and loud about Iraq has been attacked by the Chickenhawks.

The good thing is they all reacted, just like Kerry did today.

Only a few wimps (like this congressman, if he really exists) have protested.

[stillcool]

he owes them?..

they owe him big time...http://www.johnkerry.com/
the world's a much different place then the spectacle seen on your television screen.

[OzarkDem]

46. Please explain

How do Dems running for governor, statewide office, senate, Congress, state assembly, etc. owe anything to John Kerry?

The Dems who are fighting and winning in 2006 have done it on their own, with the help of Dean, the DNC and the 50 state strategy. A few running for Congress are getting helpf from DCCC and DSCC. Kerry may have tossed in a few bucks late in the races, but these folks have been working hard for the last year. They owe their success to hard work, not to John Kerry.

He owes it to them to shut up and let them have the spotlight.

[paulk]

64. grind your axe

Kerry has campaigned and raised money for numerous Democratic candidates, both in the primaries and general election.

And only a few got help from the DCCC and DSCC?


LOL.

[OzarkDem]

84. Its not important

He hasn't done anything to help Dems in Ohio, we don't need his help. By the same token, we also don't need him causing a big distraction 7 days before the election.

I'm sick of him hogging the spotlight. I want a Dem senator from Ohio in 1 week, not some bullshit about Kerry.

[Baclava]

103. He turned the spotlight on himself, that's true

What are the locals doing to use that to their advantage?
It doesn't always have to be negative.

[SouthernBelle82]

68. And with the help of John Kerry

In case you're too busy having your head in the sand Kerry has gone all over the country campaigning for people and raising money for candidates from all sorts of races. And gee I didn't know Kerry no longer had the first amendment. So when did that get taken away from him? Kerry has done more for raising money and helping to campaign for the democrats. He has taken the issue back to Iraq when before it wasn't covered and it was bullshit crap like the anti-gay amendments across the country in the battleground states. Kerry is actually helping democrats by putting the focus back on Iraq because that is the issue where EVERYTHING is at stake. Your fellow country men, our security and our money. But hey I guess you don't give a damn about that and would rather argue about bullshit issues like Rush Limbaugh's comments about Michael J Fox and anti-gay amendments.

[OzarkDem]

92. Candidates are doing fine w/o him right now

He's a distraction right now and should be a gentleman and step back out of the limelight.

[stillcool]

89. the link was explanation...

and that spotlight you speak of...where is that?

[OzarkDem]

93. Before Kerry

it was on the Dem candidates who look to be winning their races.

It was on people like Claire McCaskill and Sherrod Brown and Jim Webb. It was on Dems who are likely to become governors in several states. It was on Dems pulling ahead of the GOP contenders in Congressional races.

Let's put it back on them, not Kerry.

[fedupinBushcountry]

49. BS

Kerry has learned his lessons and he won't listen to those who are fucking scared shitless to use their name. They are the one's who need to get a clue. By the way every Dem that I have seen or heard from the Senate or House has backed Kerry 100%.


Leave your fucking Kerry bashing for another day.

[SouthernBelle82]

61. No he doesn't

No more apologizing bullshit. You should say what you mean and stand by it period. Kerry is speaking out and telling the damn truth. Did you even read his comments? He was 100% right. Here you have men who have never served attacking a man who has for telling the damn truth. Kerry was one of the first senators to have a plan to get out of Iraq and this is how you repay him? You owe HIM an apology.

[JackBeck]

100. Still looking for your examples of Kerry being a "pompous ass"

And how you think that "Lots of other Dems have been on the campaign trail discussing it better".

Where are your examples of this?

[Dr Fate]

24. Does this mysterious "Dem congressman" even have a name?

Does he even exist?

[Crunchy Frog]

30. We don't need Dems stabbing other Dems in the back.

Especially not when they do it anonymously.

[OzarkDem]

33. And what do you call

what Kerry did to the Dems who are running for election now?

He didn't do it deliberately, but his careless stupid remarks hurt them just the same. Those Dems have been busting their asses for every point they pick up in these races.

[Mass]

39. Given what they attacked Webb and Ford for two days ago, it probably

took the pressure off a few of these people (who are doing quite well on their own, BTW), and the attacks would have come anyway on whoever they could. If you believe otherwise, you should look a little bit around you. (Seeing what I see here in MA in the governor's race, they did not need Kerry to attack our candidate).

[JackBeck]

41. His remark wasn't careless.

It was taken out of context and created as a talking point for all the Repugs to go into attack mode.

Did you hear the audience when he made his remark? They ALL LAUGHED. They knew exactly what he was talking about.

And now it's being taken out of context, which is exactly what they do when they're in trouble. Look how they took Murtha's comments out of context to use against him. Look at Cindy Sheehan, as well. This is what they do.

Stop acting defeatist and applaud Kerry for standing up to this punks.

[jsamuel]

71. you are right, we should not be attacking each other, but the RW for MAKING UP a story

that they want to be true to try to sell the election

[Crunchy Frog]

91. When Kerry slanders a fellow Democrat

call me.

[OzarkDem]

94. He's distracting voters from issues and

from fellow Democrats. Dems have been on the campaign trail all year dealing with Iraq without getting into trouble. They don't deserve this distraction. Though he didn't do it deliberately, the damage has been done. Its time to drop it and start focusing on Dems in the races, not Kerry.

[Chomskyite]

96. And you . . .

. . . you're spending all this time on this bullshit issue when you could be pounding the pavement for Democrats out there. When you look back at the seeming thousands of pile-on Kerry msgs you wrote today, how proud do you feel of what you've accomplished for America?

[Crunchy Frog]

98. The media and the Republicans are distracting voters.

Posts like yours are feeding into it.

I suppose that next you'll go after Harold Ford for distracting voters by "dating a white woman". The Repigs are trying to make something out of that too.

[Placebo]

55. Amen!

Any candidate who brings Kerry in to campaign with them in these final days is nuts. He needs to go into the closet until after the election.

[Greybnk48]

4. Kerry may blow elections, but the repubs blow

Little boys!!!

[Gabi Hayes]

22. post of the YEAR!!!!

they just plain BLOW

[Greybnk48]

34. thanks Gabi

[tridim]

28. My sig line is apt..

[calmblueocean]

48. Zing! There's one to add to the ol' repertoire for the next few days!

hehe

[msongs]

5. best thing kerry EVER said! nt

[knowbody0]

12. agree!

bet all today's dead soldiers wish they'd gone to college instead of Iraq.

[knowbody0]

6. NO NAME

PROPAGANDA !

[bananas]

29. Lieberman? nt

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

79. Lieberman is a senator, not a congressman.

I thought this was a politics message board.

[woo me with science]

99. There are two houses of Congress,

so "congressman" can refer to a senator or a representative.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

102. It is not considered proper...

...to refer to senators as congressmen/women/persons

[Jawja]

8. John King

just "quoted" an unnamed Dem who basically said the same thing. Who is this blabbermouth Dem who is giving the GOP media this gem of a talking point?

I don't believe it until I actually see and hear a Democrat say it.

[Mass]

10. Joe Lieberman?

[Richard Steele]

14. First name that popped into my head, too. nm

[Jawja]

16. But Holy Joe

would not be shy about taking the microphone to say it would he? And in regards to Zell, Kerry didn't blow the election for "us." Remember, turncoat Zell backed the Bush criminals.

[TankLV]

17. first and ONLY one I could think of too.

I wouldn't be at all surprised...

[truthpusher]

18. They said "Democratic Congressman" not "Asshole" nt

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

82. For about the fifth fucking time in this thread...

Lieberman is a senator, not a congressman.

[keithjx]

13. Zell Miller? n/t

[SouthernBelle82]

72. If I was able to

I would ask where they got this democrat's name and say they're a fucking coward for hiding behind their comments. At least Kerry is standing by what he says and not through an anonymous name.

[bigtree]

9. more damage was done to our party in 2004 by nattering pinheads

than by any mistake Kerry might have made.

These whiners are not the folks to follow into battle. Weak.

[The Backlash Cometh]

11. We must all hang together, or surely we will hang separately.

Someone needs to tell that Democratic congressman that the right-wing are adept at twisting words. I'm just so glad they picked on John Kerry because they wasted their time on a politican who isn't even running for an office.

[sendero]

15. I'm an ardent supporter of the idea.

... that Kerry should step aside in 2008. But if in fact a Dem actually said that (about messing up 2006), they are full of shit.

[Disturbed]

20. Is this the actual statement that J. Kerry made?

"I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq." - Senator John Kerry

[The Backlash Cometh]

27. NO! He also said if you don't do your homework.

That's important, because that line ties in with Bush's Iraq mistake. Bush and Cheney keep blaming it on intel. Thus, they didn't do their own homework.

[SouthernBelle82]

75. And guess what?

He said "you end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq." Guess who did that? George Bush. Guess who didn't study in college? George Bush. This is so obvious it's pathetic.

[Taoschick]

101. The full quote:

"Education, you know, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

His words weren't taken out of context. You shouldn't have to be a mindreader to "get" a joke and this isn't about nuance. If Kerry's advisors are smart, they'll tell him to apologize and explain there was no intended insult directed towards the troops.

[DaveJ]

19. Anyone dumb enough to let this effect their vote...

...problably is so uninformed they don't even know if Kerry is a Dem or a Con... I really don't think this is an issue.

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. I agree!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

26. I doubt this will have much of an impact.

Still, it was pretty fucking stupid.

[NavyDavy]

40. why? because he choose to use his free speech and let people

know how he feels....very brave and they aren't helping any repug in any race.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

44. Well, hey.

He probably got Allen's beatdown of a constituent off the news cycle for the next 12 hours. Glorious political achievement.

[BlueStater]

43. The media coverage and response to it was "fucking stupid"

There was absolutely nothing wrong with what Kerry said. It's not his fault if a few morons misunderstand him.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

45. Since when isn't the media fucking stupid?

In political speech you have to assume that your comments will be twisted and misinterpereted and speak accordingly.

But like I said, I don't think it'll make much of a difference.

[angstlessk]

21. Is this the SAME ABC that refuses to advertise the Dixie Chicks

movie? The same ABC who showed 'Path to 9/11'..THAT ABC? and I give then credibility WHY?

[Cleita]

31. Sour grapes. There was nothing to spin so they attacked the

messenger instead. The fact is Kerry made their god, Bush, look like the fool he is in front of the whole country and they didn't like it.

[LittleClarkie]

36. Beware the anonymous source

How conservative is this "Dem Congressman"

And if he's so proud of his words, why hide his identity. Why not let the reporter quote him directly?

[Dr Fate]

38. Another valid option is that he never even existed- like WMDs.

Let's not forget the option that they could be making the whole thing up- like they have done literally thousands of times before.

[Cha]

37. Who's the "democratic

congressman"? I call Bullshit on the corporatemediawhores.

[Mark E. Smith]

50. I'm sorry, but it was a very stupid thing for Kerry to say

We're now off message and the country is talking about Kerry,
not Iraq or bush or all the other things we need people to
think about.

I just wish he'd go away. Or shut up.

He really fucked up.

[Roon]

51. Yes he did

He blew it for us and probably the election too. We'll see....

[JackORoses]

52. actually this is all about Iraq

I just wish he'd go away. Or shut up.

practice what you preach...

[Mark E. Smith]

62. It was all about Iraq

Now it's about John Kerry.

[Mass]

69. Only because the dems did not jump on the occasion to attack Bush.

Kerry did it forcefully this afternoon. Pelosi and Reid have a press release.

Give us a break. We all know some people will decide Kerry is responsible for whatever failure the DSCC and DCCC have made throughout these last months, but do not expect us to take that seriously.

Yesterday, it was about Webb and his novels, the day before about Ford and gay marriage, the day before about Michael J Fox and his video, a few weeks ago about Bill Clinton. All diversion tactics by the GOP, all of which we have been able to avoid.

Do you want me to believe that the Democrats will not be able to avoid this last line of attacks or do some people need an excuse in case they do not succeed as well as they hoped.

[Mark E. Smith]

73. Nope. None of that.

What Kerry did was change the subject. Now it is all
about John Kerry when it should be about Iraq and Bush.

What people say after the election doesn't mean shit.

[Mass]

74. In this case, where are all the Dems attacking Bush on Iraq.

They are welcome to do so. They should not be shy. There are enough points to discuss concerning Iraq and the troops. Why are there silent?

[Mark E. Smith]

76. Because they're stunned?

Can you imagine what is being said in places like
John Dean's office today? How many times do you
think the term "dumb fuck" has been used?

[Mass]

80. Dont know - I am truly an outsider and this outsider thinks that

the Democrats should react quickly. This is what the GOP would do. They would be out attacking.

The Democrats are not. That is all I am saying.

Even if he had not botched a line, Kerry would have said exactly what I say to my sons everyday, so do not expect me to be offended by that. Time to react or we are wuss.

[KAZ]

70. Seconded. n/t

n/t

[Sydnie]

54. Joe Lieberman, you been talking to the press again?

A Democratic congressman - I bet it was a Dem (as in DINO)Senator - Joe, is that you?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

78. So Lieberman's a congressman now, eh?

That'll be news to him.

[Sydnie]

81. Did you read my post, or just the title?

I speculated that it was not a congressman but rather a senator in the body of the post. :hi:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

85. Sorry.

It was about the third time in this thread I'd spanked somebody for not knowing the difference between a senator and a congressman... gets to be a habit. Apologies.

[Sydnie]

90. It's all good

All is forgiven. :hug:

[devilgrrl]

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[SouthernBelle82]

57. It looks to me

that they're trying to blow Kerry. And please I can't stand this anonymous stuff. What a coward. If they exist.

[MzNov]

59. Kerry won't blow any election... ANOTHER distraction from

the desperate reich-wingers. Nothing he says now will stop the landslide that's coming. I'm glad he's talking. If anything, it's his timing that blows.

:dem:

[wordpix]

66. Kerry will NOT be SWIFTBOATED again. He's said that

[fishwax]

60. sounds like desperate spin

quite desperate indeed ...

[wordpix]

63. NOTHING Kerry SAYS will cancel out what George BUSHMonkeyking has DONE

Friggin repukes, get out of the way, you're going down hard this election

[Terri S]

77. Heads up on Keith Olbermann's show tonight...

from his newsletter I got in my email:


Already sick and tired of the nonsense accusations about what Senator John Kerry meant... ?

Watch Countdown tonight...

And look for Keith's SPECIAL COMMENT tomorrow.

--------------


get ready! Should be good!!!

[Octafish]

83. Bush got USA ''stuck in Iraq.''

JK's point being.

DEMs need to remember.

[bdamomma]

86. this stupid shit has got to stop, Kerry has nothing to apologize for

and what BS have we been living in for the past 5 years, and now the repigs are making it sound they have values, this is pure BS, aren't there other things we can focus on we have a election coming up to decide what kind of direction this country will be going in a great distraction is right.

[Atman]

87. Ah, and thus is the Democratic Circular Firing Squad

Not only are we wasting our own precious time and resources, we are feeding the GOP all the doubt it needs to publish more fake poll numbers closing the gaps in tight races, which lead to...

DIEBOLD-ED ELECTIONS.

I'm so embarrassed to be a democrat right now. When will we ever learn?

.

[stepnw1f]

88. Let the Republican Game of Perception Begin

Uh-uh..... If you seriously think he did wrong today, you belong to a different agenda than I and most other Democrats. When our people stand up for what is right, you don't turn on them like this.... no FUCKING way! Righteousness as was displayed today is not something to shy away from right before an election. If that is your way of winning, we don't need you!

[truthpusher]

95. when something like this happens, we get a chance to see who they really are...

...the GOP that is...