They've Got The Votes For Cloture

[cali]

Assuming that all the repubs vote for cloture, (and they will) they also have Johnson, Byrd, Nelson, Salazar and Landrieu. The former are voting for Alito, Salazar has said he'll vote against Alito, but for cloture. Landrieu has also gone on record as stating that she'll vote for cloture. That's enough. I don't understand how Kerry can filibuster.

In other words, it's over.

[Occulus]

1. And if we threw up our hands and admitted defeat

like all you defeatists want us to do, it REALLY WOULD be over.

But that's what defeatism's all about, right?

Thought so.

[cali]

10. Right, everyone who either disagrees

with the majority, or perceives things differently are Vichy style traitors. And yes, that's precisely what's being said. I called, e-mailed and wrote LTTE. I took action when it was time to take action. Now it's time to let go. Everything's been done that can be done. It's simple math, you know.

[Dinger]

20. Nice Job, I Agree

I nominate your response to the Greatest page for reponses, wherever that is:)

[jsamuel]

2. bull, we can get them to abstain from voting for cloture

many of them said they don't want to filibuster, but if they "abstain from filibustering" they will not give the Repubs the 60 votes they need to stop the filibuster.

[MADem]

3. So we should give up and cry? There's many a slip betwixt the cup and the

lip.

It ain't over till it's over.

[Spiffarino]

4. Fuck this. n/t

[paulk]

5. if the Dems actually pulled this off

then you wouldn't have anything to bitch about

we can't have that

can we?

[cali]

12. Could you be any less perceptive.

I'm not bitching. I'm not that disappointed in the dems re filibuster because I didn't expect much. I did expect them to make their case during the hearings. They did an awful job. That I'll bitch about. You want to see bitching? There's plenty of it at DU, but it's not there in my OP, and that's apparent with any reasonable reading of it.

[paulk]

18. I'm basing my reply

on your posting history

where you piss and moan and whine about those horrible Democrats

on a daily basis

[cali]

31. What are you talking about?

You've got the wrong poster. And if you still think so, prove it. I'm sure that like every other poster
I've done some griping, but that's simply not largely what I write about. I rarely bitch and moan about democrats.

[WilliamPitt]

6. Hang on

Did they say they would vote for cloture, or did they say they would vote for Alito?

Big difference.

[jsamuel]

9. absolutely, they can "abstain from voting for cloture"

big difference indeed

[cali]

17. Just as I posted

Landrieu, Salazar and Nelson have gone or record that they will vote for cloture, regardless of how they are voting regarding confirmation. I believe Johnson has also stated he'd vote for cloture. I haven't heard whether Byrd supports cloture.

[jsamuel]

19. that isn't true, they said they would not vot against cloture (yes I am

being technical) That does not mean that they will vote FOR cloture because they could "abstain from filibustering"

I am giving them a way out of this.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

22. You're splitting hairs

Which is what politicians do best, thanks for the reminder! :toast:

[seabeyond]

7. this is why there were a few continually saying filibuster wouldnt

work. now kerry put himself out there. so now i support kerry. we will see what happens. but i am going to support the effort. too bad we werent seeing these votes the last three days to try and bring reason to this board and blogs and all the others that were saying it is the end of the world if there isnt a filibuster. now reason comes forth. really amazing

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

8. It's The 8th Inning And We're Losing. Ahhhh Fuck It. Let's Just Go Home.

:eyes:

[spuddonna]

11. You know, if Kerry - who isn't even in the country - hasn't given up...

... and has been calling fellow Dem Senators back in the US all afternoon, perhaps we should give him the benefit of the doubt, and try calling our Senators before giving up?

Just a thought...

[uppityperson]

13. Good thing it is 3+ days away. It's not over yet.

keep working people

[WritingIsMyReligion]

14. Kerry stuck his neck out there, and you want me to BACK OFF?

I don't think George Washington started to back off. Ever. I don't think any founding father did.

Samuel Alito gets on that court and my generation is fucked, fucked, fucked, fucked, fucked.

Sorry, but I'll go down fighting, if it must go that way.

[_dynamicdems]

15. Nothing is etched in stone yet. Let's not give up too easily now. n/t

[htuttle]

16. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

And it ain't over now.

'Cause when the goin' gets tough...
...the tough get goin'!

Who's with me? Let's go!

[DURHAM D]

25. Small point but, the Germans did not bomb Pearl. eom

[welshTerrier2]

28. i'm pretty sure you're wrong ...

i saw the movie !!

[Reader Rabbit]

33. Um, dude. It's Animal House.

'Nuff said.

[Blue Belle]

36. Did you not see "Animal House"?

Do you not know this speech?? It's classic.

[Blue Belle]

35. Gawd I love that speech...

And Bluto becomes a Senator in the End! One of my favorite movies ever. :)

[jillan]

21. Something tells me that Kerry wouldn't stick his neck out

if he didn't have the support.

[cali]

27. Sorry, Kerry can count too.

And his suggesting filibuster is not sticking his neck out. It appeals to the base. Again, it's simple math.

[AZBlue]

23. Oh no, I don't give up that easily.

And neither does Kerry, thankfully!!

[Puglover]

24. Are you so naive to

not think there you HUGE things happening behind the scenes right now that we aren't aware of? I highly doubt Kerry would have thrown his careful self on the pyre if he and Reid didn't have some sort of plan. I think your post is way way to simplistic.

On edit.

If they were going to filibuster anything they needed to filibuster this. At least they are taking a stand and while I'm not a huge Kerry fan he has my respect here.

[mvd]

26. Reid can be pretty crafty

We shall see. I haven't given up yet.

[cali]

30. I'm sure there's a great deal happening

behind the scenes, but I can count. Really, it's that simple. And how is Kerry throwing himself on any pyre? The base loves him for this. He loses very little for stating that he wants to filibuster.

[cindyw]

29. I prefer to go out fighting. Let it be known to my future grandkids,

that we went down fighting.

[ScreamingMeemie]

32. did someone call you with that? I haven't seen a vote yet. I'm not

giving up...and refuse to give up, and encourage others to not give up until there is reason to. It is WE the People...not just Senators...thanks! :hi:

[stepnw1f]

34. Ignore this SHIT and KEEP FIGHTING! (nt)