Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

***Kerry Smear DEBUNKED***

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 10:45 AM
Original message
***Kerry Smear DEBUNKED***
Edited on Wed Nov-01-06 11:13 AM by ck4829
Leading off the October 31 edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight, host Lou Dobbs misrepresented Sen. John F. Kerry's (D-MA) remarks during an October 30 speech at a campaign rally in Pasadena, California. Adopting the White House's characterization of Kerry's statement, Dobbs alleged that Kerry said "students should think about getting stuck in Iraq if they don't work hard at school." An Internet poll on the page for Lou Dobbs Tonight on the CNN website similarly adopted the White House's interpretation of Kerry's remarks, asking: "Do you believe John Kerry owes our troops in Iraq an apology?"

In fact, as Media Matters for America has noted, Kerry said, "Education, you know, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." According to Kerry, he was referring to President Bush's poor preparation for the war, not the lack of education of members of the U.S. military. Kerry said he botched a joke, and according to CNN's own reporting, was supposed to have said: "I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq."

Moreover, a Media Matters review* of CNN's live news coverage throughout the day on October 31 showed that, in reports airing on CNN Newsroom, Your World Today, and The Situation Room about Kerry's remarks and criticism of them, at no point did any CNN anchor or guest note that an October 31 Associated Press report supports Kerry's explanation for his remarks. In contrast, MSNBC host Chris Matthews read from the AP article during the October 31 edition of Hardball, noting that Kerry "opened his speech ... with several one-liners, joking at one point that Bush had lived in Texas but now 'lives in a state of denial.' Then he said: 'You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq.'" Matthews further described the White House's characterization of Kerry's remarks as a "violent interpretation," then later, during an interview with former House Republican Leader Dick Armey (TX), said:

MATTHEWS: (I)f you listen to the transition of words there, it clearly looks like he was talking about President Bush being in a state of denial, not realizing when he took us into Iraq what he was going to face because he didn't study hard in school. President Bush says today, no, he wasn't saying that. Isolating the few words in the middle of that statement, he said, he was trashing the military for being uneducated and the kinds of people who flunk out of school and end up in the military and then get stuck in Iraq.

Matthews then asked Armey which was the "correct interpretation," and Armey concluded: "Look, I think John Kerry's right. He's making a defense of himself. He's saying, 'Look, I was not maligning the troops. I was maligning the president of the United States.' "

http://mediamatters.org/items/200611010004

Hey, where is the context? All the media is saying is that "KERRY IS MALIGNING THE TROOPS! KERRY IS MALIGNING THE TROOPS!" There is no context for his remarks, that seems a bit odd IMHO.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 10:51 AM
Response to Original message
1. If you don't get
a good education all you can do is watch Fox News because all the others are too hard to understand.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 10:53 AM
Response to Original message
2. Kerry's clarification is not altering the way the public is perceiving what he said
This episode is devastating to Kerry's chances in 2008.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #2
8. I agree
This was a non-story that could have been over in 10 seconds had Kerry said that he was sorry. The way it came out was wrong, but that's how it came out and he should just apologize and let it be done.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Taoschick Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #8
16. Exactly
A simple apology with a follow up of what he meant to say would turn this into a non-story.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #8
18. It would of been a story anyway. The Repubs weren't looking for
an apology they were looking to rally the base. Had kerry apologized, they would have used that as proof that he doesn't support our troops. Kerry did the right thing. He defended himself and the party and turned the subject back onto Iraq.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #2
11. Devastating...LOL
horse shit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #2
14. And that's because the media isn't giving the clarification much play
because of their own agenda.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #2
15. Nah, that is wishful thinking on some people's parts.
Don't by into this media hype. Some people in our party and on the repub side would like for this to be true. But, really, this is actually a non issue.

It shouldn't even be news. The subject is being redirected to Iraq, where it should be. Where in his statement does he even mention the troops? Any reasonable person - other than the repub base understands that this was a misquote.The public will come around. Who in their right mind would think an elected official would bash our troops?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #2
20. Who cares about 2008? Iraq is back in play before elections! Go, Kerry!
Whatever they've been trying with this straw man , it's blowing in their faces. People in this country hate the war - and Kerry reminded everyone it's going on, and taxes are not the issue in this elections!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #2
21. Bullshit. Just bullshit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #2
22. The reason it is being preceived that way is because the MSM is spoon-feeding...
...the lies to them...

Kerry is being quoted OUT OF CONTEXT...

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 10:53 AM
Response to Original message
3. The media owes the country an apology
We really need to be focused on how to get the media to tell the damn truth. Lester has been repeating the Bush line all morning. Norah did a piece with Tony Snow, where she was fair actually, but Tony Snow says we'll have to ask Senator Kerry what he meant - and Norah should have challenged him on that because Kerry has already said what he meant.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 10:54 AM
Response to Original message
4. You really have to see the whole video to see that he was talking about Bush
Unfortunately - in print - this doesnt play so well...

Also the soundbite - out of context - sounds pretty bad too...

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 10:55 AM
Response to Original message
5. This flap is great illustration of how the Rove machine works
It is not the genius of Karl Rove but the cynical treachery of a man no one elected but yet has the power to control policy and most of the media. The lightning response to Kerry's blown punchline was breathtaking. What is probably most revealing is that at this late hour the Republicans are forced to use this kind of crass appeal to the slime of their base, the Total Fucking Moron demographic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #5
12. It was their October surprise
They couldn't come up with anything else and on the last day they put everything they had into this.

Just look at all the defeatist trolls who came out of the woodwork to bash a good Dem.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LordLovesAWorkingMan Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. I sort think it was Kerry's October Surprise
He said it, and enemies are making hay with it. Did Rove throw his voice?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #13
19. Let me get this straight?
Are you saying rove's words came out of Kerry's mouth?

'Cause, if that is what you are saying, them it seems to me rove's words are being typed on your computer.

Please, tell me your not being a troll...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #13
24. no, Rove claimed that one sentence out of context meant something completely different
than what Kerry actually said. ALL of Kerry's comments were about bush's ignorance leading to us getting in Iraq. NOT ONCE does Kerry mention the troops.

The only surprise here is how many normally thinking dems are buying Rove's version without once looking at what was actually said. And I mean ALL of what was said IN CONTEXT.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 10:55 AM
Response to Original message
6. Why can't Kerry just apologize?
Edited on Wed Nov-01-06 10:56 AM by qanda
I don't understand. Why can't he just say that he in no wise meant to disparage the troops and leave all the nuance aside. Good grief!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #6
9. He did, yesterday.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 10:58 AM
Response to Original message
7. This was an orchestrated effort by some in the media to defame
kerry and promote the lies. CNN was particularly horrible yesterday. I wrote individual e-mails to the directors of each of those programs.
This whole incident has desperation written all over it. Kerry flubbed a joke, big deal. The fact that the Repubs twisted it's meaning and decided to attack Kerry says a lot about them.
I would do what you can to set the record straight and relay the proper meaning.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #7
10. The Media Is Beyond Despicable
It's completely dysfunctional. That this is even a story is outrageous.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:05 AM
Response to Original message
17. if you don't get a good education you won't be able to understand Kerry
and you'll end up voting for an idiot instead
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:15 AM
Response to Original message
23. Calling bush stupid is ACCURATE and no reason to apologize
I challenge any who claim the statement was about our troops to show me where they are referred to. It's not there. If you go through the context of the statement ALL the comments were about bush's ignorance and the consequence of that ignorance getting us "stuck in Iraq".

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 01:08 PM
Response to Original message
25. kick n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 23rd 2024, 06:29 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC