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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:11 PM
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Byrd's Floor Statement
This is a long one for him.

http://byrd.senate.gov/speeches/2006_january/alito.html

I would like to take this opportunity to offer a few observations on the manner in which the Senate has conducted its inquiry into the qualifications of Judge Samuel A. Alito, Jr., to serve on the United States Supreme Court.

Regardless of any Senator’s particular view of Judge Alito, I think we can all agree that there is room for improvement in the way in which the Senate – and, indeed, the nation, have undertaken the examination of this nominee. And let me be clear, I mean no criticism of the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee or any particular member of the Committee.

I feel compelled to address this issue, not to point fingers, to scold, or to assign blame, but to address specific, sincere, and heartfelt concerns that have been brought to my attention by the people of West Virginia. Many people, including foremost the people of West Virginia in no uncertain terms were, frankly, appalled by the Alito hearings. I don’t want to say it; but I must. They were appalled.

In the reams of correspondence that I received during the Alito hearings, West Virginians who wrote to criticize the way in which the hearings were conducted used the same two words. People with no connection to one another, of different faiths, views, and opinions independently and respectively used the same two words to describe the hearings: they called them an “outrage” and a “disgrace.”

And these were not form letters ginned up by special interest groups on either the right or the left. These were hand-written, contemplative, old-fashioned letters written on lined paper and personal stationery. They were the sort of letters that people write while watching television in the comfort of their living rooms, or sitting at the kitchen table.

It is especially telling that many who objected to the way in which the Alito hearings were conducted do not support Judge Alito. In fact, it is sorely apparent that even many who oppose Judge Alito’s nomination also oppose the seemingly “made for TV” antics that accompanied the hearings.

And it’s not just the Senate as an institution which is to blame. The virulence of some outside groups from both sides of the political spectrum added fuel to the fire. Multi-million dollar advertising campaigns either to proclaim or denigrate Judge Alito’s fitness for the position raged across the airwaves.

A solemn, constitutional responsibility is not helped when it takes on such a tone.

And then there was the media and its contribution to the deterioration of this very important Constitutional process. Was it really necessary to subject Mrs. Alito to the harsh glare of television klieg lights as she fled the hearing room in tears, fighting to maintain her dignity in response to others with precious little of their own?

Have we finally come to the point where our nation’s assessment of a Supreme Court nominee turns more on a simple-minded sound bite or an exploitive snapshot than on the answers provided or withheld by the nominee?

Obviously, something is wrong with our judicial nominations process, and we in the Senate have the power to fix it.


The Framers presumably had something better in mind when they vested the Senate with the authority to confirm “judges of the Supreme Court.” In fact, we know they did. In 1789, Roger Sherman of Connecticut defended the role of the Senate in confirming Presidential appointments. He wrote, “It appears to me that the senate is the most important branch in the government. . . . The Executive magistrate is to execute the laws. The Senate, being a branch of the legislature, will naturally incline to have them duly executed and, therefore, will advise to such appointments as will best attain that end.”

Alexander Hamilton also had high hopes for the Senate’s ability to render its advice and consent function. He proclaimed, “It is not easy to conceive a plan better calculated than this to promote a judicious choice of men for filling the offices of the Union.”

Exactly what did the Framers mean when they gave the Senate the power to “Consent” to the confirmation of a judicial nominee?

Historically, a majority of the Framers anticipated that the Senate’s confirmation or rejection of a judicial nominee would be based on the fitness of the nominee; not on partisan politics or extraneous matters.

Based on these assumptions, the Framers presumably did not expect the Senate to spend its allotted time on a nominee staging partisan warfare instead of examining his or her qualifications.


Yet, the Framers probably also would never have expected that a Senator of a nominee’s own Party would refuse to ask the candidate meaningful questions. They certainly did not intend for Senators of the nominee’s own Party to sit silently in quiet adulation, refusing to seek the truth while smiling indulgently, thus accomplishing nothing.

The Framers expected the Senate to be a serious check on the power of the President. They clearly thought that the Senate’s confirmation process ought to be fair, impartial, thorough, and exhibit appropriate respect for solemn duty and the dignity of both the process and the nominee.

I regret that we have come to a place in our history when both political parties exhibit such a “take no prisoners” attitude. All sides seek to use the debate over a Supreme Court nominee to air their particular wish list for or against abortion, euthanasia, executive authority, freedom of the press, freedom of speech, wiretapping, the death penalty, workers’ rights, gun control, corporate greed, and dozens of other subjects. All of these issues should be debated, but the battle lines should not be drawn on the Judiciary. They should be debated by the people’s Representatives in Congress.

However, too many Americans apparently believe that if they cannot get Congress to address an issue, they must take it to the court! As the saying goes, “If you can’t change the law, change the judge!”

This thinking represents a gross misinterpretation of the separation of powers: it is the role of the Congress to make and change the laws; Supreme Court Justices exist to interpret laws and be sure that they square with the Constitution and with settled law.

A better understanding of the Court’s role would do much to diminish the “hype” that now accompanies the judicial nomination process. The role of the Senate in the Alito debate is not to push legislation, or to score points for those who either support or oppose specific legislative proposals. The purpose of the current debate is to evaluate the fitness of Judge Samuel Alito to sit on the highest Court of our land which includes his temperament and his intellectual ability.

In a perfect world this heavy Constitutional responsibility of the Senate would have little to do with Party affiliation.

Unfortunately, during the first Administration of George Washington, as far back as 1795, a bruising confirmation battle over the nomination of John Rutledge to be the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court established that the some Senators would consider not merely the qualifications, but also the political views of a nominee, in deciding whether to support or reject his nomination. .

But I am not one of those Senators. I refuse to simply tow the Party line when it comes to Supreme Court Justices. Of course, I am a registered Democrat. But when it comes to judges, I hail from a conservative state. And, like a majority of my constituents, I prefer conservative judges - - that is judges who do not try to make the law. In fact, I was once approached by Richard Nixon to be a U.S. Supreme Court Justice. But I declined in order to continue to serve the people of West Virginia.

This is not to say that I would vote for any judge just because he is a conservative. No sir! If I think a conservative judge is unqualified, I will not vote for him. I have voted against judges on both sides of the political spectrum, who leaned too heavily on their political views, rather than existing law, and seemed to have a political agenda.

Much has been made of the fact that Judge Alito has expressed support for the concept of the “unitary executive.” Many are afraid that his support for this concept means that he favors a broad “expansion” of presidential power. But Judge Alito has stated repeatedly that his support for the concept of the “unitary executive” does not refer to broadening the “scope” of the power of the President.

Instead, Judge Alito says this theory refers to the way in which the President utilizes his existing power to faithfully execute the law as it applies to administrative agencies within the Executive Branch. In describing the unitary executive in his speech before the Federalist Society, Judge Alito stated that Article II, Section Three of the Constitution provides that the President “shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” Thus, he said, “the President has the power and the duty to supervise the way in which the subordinate Executive Branch officials exercise the President’s power of carrying federal law into execution.”

Before the Judiciary Committee, Judge Alito was asked point blank whether he thought the concept of the unitary executive refers to expanding the scope of presidential power, or, instead, to the President’s control over the Executive Branch. Judge Alito confirmed that he was speaking of the latter.

Judge Alito was also asked whether he would support an expansion of the scope of Presidential power. Specifically, he was asked if he thought that a President should have more power than he is expressly given by law. Judge Alito stated several times that he would not support that point of view, and he noted, again, that the “scope” of the power of the President has nothing to do with the unitary executive.

I met with Sam Alito. I spent close to two hours with him. I asked him what he thought about the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause. I told him that I believe the Supreme Court has gone too far in prohibiting the free exercise of religion in our country. He listened respectfully and said that he understood. He did not pledge to overrule precedent, but he made it clear that he understood and respected my opinion.

I also advised him of my view that the Executive branch is continually and improperly seeking to grab power, and that the separation of powers requires the judiciary to be ever-vigilant in stopping abuse of power by the President and protecting the powers of the other two branches.

I urged Judge Alito, as I had urged Judge Roberts before him, to recognize the importance of maintaining the equality of the three branches of our government protected by our Constitution. I stressed that he should be a Justice that will not forget the People's Branch, the Legislative Branch, which is the first branch, the primary branch mentioned in the Constitution under Article I – the Executive is mentioned later on, in Article II.

I requested that he not rule in a way that would expand the authority of an already “expansionist” executive. I reiterated that the Framers did not place the greatest power in the executive. Instead, the Framers put the greatest power in the people! You and me. The first three words in the preamble of the Constitution, are: “We The People.” The Framers ensured that the people, through us, their elected representatives in Congress, would have the greatest power in our government.

In response, Judge Alito told me that he respected the separation of powers and would not rule in support of a power-hungry President. I liked that answer, and I liked Judge Alito. He struck me as a man of his word, and I intend to vote for him.

I believe strongly that the Senate has a responsibility to provide its advice and consent with respect to a particular nominee based on the merits or demerits of that nominee – not on focus groups, celebrity endorsements, binders filled with innuendo and slanted analysis, or White House photo opportunities.

In truth, there is no way of knowing what any nominee for our nation’s highest court will do after that nominee is confirmed. One could cite many examples of Justices who surprised the President who nominated them as well as members of the Senate who supported or opposed their confirmation. Once a man or woman has achieved the high honor of a lifetime appointment to our nation’s highest court, a transformation may occur. The awesome responsibility of protecting our Constitution and preserving the checks and balances for succeeding generations of Americans must elevate and sharpen one’s judicial temperament in profound ways. The duty to preserve the freedom of our citizens as enshrined in our magnificent Bill of Rights must ennoble even an already noble mind and character.

In the end, the heavy duty bourne by members of the Senate to evaluate and reject or approve the President’s nominees for the high court should come down to each Senator’s personal judgment of the man or woman before us, augmented, of course by such judicial records and writings as may exist. I know not exactly what kind of Justice Samuel Alito may actually be - - no one does. But my considered judgment from his record, from his answers to my questions, and from his obvious intelligence and sincerity, leads me to believe him to be an honorable man, who loves his country, loves his Constitution, and will give of his best. Can we really ask for more?

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Strong support for the "he got freeped" argument. Fuck you Karl Rove.
Byrd is also assuming too much about Alito.
I just don't understand what happaned here.
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:16 PM
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1. Horse shit
People of West Virginia Appalled?
Not the ones I talk to EVERY FUCKING DAY.
Give me a break.
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CrownPrinceBandar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:44 PM
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26. Horseshit, indeed.................
Words can't describe how appalled this West Virginian is at our "beloved" Senator Byrd. This brings to the fore that Sen. Byrd is out of touch with the common West Virginian, and very much in touch with the coal companies.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:27 PM
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63. If the people of West Virginia are appalled by anything I imagine
it's the relaxation of safety standards in the mines and, if Alito gets on the court it will only get worse. I heard yesterday that the governor of WV is going to ask for legislation requiring more safety equipment - if the law passes does anyone think the coal companies won't fight it and does anyone think Alito won't side with the companies? (Rhetorical questions). I'm disappointed that Byrd can't see this.
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MakeItSo Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:18 PM
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2. what a blow-hard, they probably have pix of him doing a kid
or something to use for blackmail.
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:19 PM
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3. There is some kinda shenanigans.
Ugh...If true, i hate politics.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:19 PM
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4. Let me try to clear it up for you
The hearings were the place where Alito's records and writings should have been scrutinized, studied, questioned, and made the centerpiece of said hearings. This was the job of the committee members' staffs, doing the research, preparing the questions, the follow-ups, the statements. The members were duty-bound to scrutinize Alito with everything they had - to, in fact, reassemble his life as a lawyer and a judge, right down to the smallest detail.

The Democrats didn't do their job. They shirked it, they made a mockery of a traditional and honorable and VITAL process, and they behaved like idiots.

That left Senators with only one choice: on the basis of what was introduced and what was made relevant about Alito, Byrd had no choice but to vote for confirmation, because, since the Democrats did NOTHING to counter anything the Republicans put into the record about Alito's records, that was all he could do.

It's not about personal beliefs about the nominee. It's like being on a jury - you can only consider the evidence that was introduced during the trial. You can't convict a man because he "looks guilty," just as you cannot vote against a nominee because of something you believe about him that is not in the record.

Does that make it any clearer? Senator Byrd is, by the way, dead right on.
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MakeItSo Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:22 PM
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6. what about his defense of unconstitutional wire-tapping?
I am on the jury and I say that the president is not a king and therefore alito should not be a judge. Next!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:24 PM
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StraightDope Donating Member (716 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:51 PM
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33. My Leftist friend...
Though a judge may bar a particular defense or line of argument, and though a jury may be instructed to interpret the law as strictly as possible, has it not occurred, multiple times, that the truth and/or justice has carried the way? Has a jury not disregarded an unjust law, thereby creating precedent at the expense of the legal process? Is what I'm saying relevant? Yes. More importantly, does it make sense? Yes, but with a few caveats. The rule of law changes with the times, as I'm sure you know. The absolutes of justice are as malleable as those who interpret them. And, perhaps most importantly, what sort of person would make such a decision based on the partisan circus-antics that were the Judiciary hearings? A poor sort, if I do say so myself.

SD
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:54 PM
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35. well said,
minus the poor sort.
Can't wipe out Byrd's entire career with one vote.

Something is amock here with this vote, and we gotta fix it.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:24 PM
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42. All that said,
the hearing was not a litigation matter. It was a hearing. You can read all about them in all sorts of books that can explain the function of a legislative hearing far better than I can.

You do realize, don't you, that I'm imparting all of this free of charge?

That's what friends are for.

The office is now closed.

;)
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:43 PM
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48. The hearings are political theater. His 15 years of rulings are the thing
The rulings speak for themselves.

I can't believe Byrd would talk about Alito as a man of his word, when Alito sat before the Congress and told them he would recuse himself re his investment holdings. Then, when a case involving Vanguard came up, Alito didn't recuse himself and has no satisfactory explanation for it.

The man is a toadie who will do anything to further his career. The Bushies carefully cultivate this sort, and they've collected quite a bushelfull.

So, did Byrd fall for this pile of horse manure? I doubt it. So, what IS afoot, folks?

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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:55 PM
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53. Precisely -
no one nailed Alito about his Vanguard matter, and, if only for that, the Democrats should have made a colossal fuss and tussle about it. That was a great opening through which all sorts of issues regarding Alito's record could have been marched.

But, the Demorats failed to do their jobs and, regardless of their votes, which were meaningless given the Repubican majority, they allowed Alito to skate away.

Say "Thank you" to the Democrats for our new Supreme Court Justice, Mr. Justice Alito.
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #53
73. Read Feingold's questioning,
he did go after Sammy about that.
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MakeItSo Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:05 PM
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56. if you're going to be condescending, better know what you're talking about
Nothing is more foolish than misinformed condescension.

" David Rosenbaum’s final Times piece, published in late December, revealed that Samuel Alito Jr., Bush’s Supreme Court nominee, had written a 1984 memorandum as a government lawyer in the Reagan administration “arguing that top officials should not be subject to lawsuits in any in circumstances, including when they knowingly violated the law.” Alito’s memo “offered recommendations concerning a lawsuit against a former attorney general, John N. Mitchell, over a wiretap he had authorized in 1970 without a court’s permission,” Rosenbaum wrote."

http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=184


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:36 PM
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MakeItSo Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:44 PM
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70. let me explain it a bit more loudly and slowly
You are condescending, and you are misinformed. Surprise: It's possible to be both! They are NOT mutually exclusive! When it comes to candidates for SCOTUS, of course it matters what one writes as a professional lawyer.

Most lawyers suck at writing by the way. Too verbose, trying desperately to sound smart.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:25 PM
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9. they failed to ever get the answer to MY question
which was simple!

DO YOU RESPECT A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE?

and in the meantime - a pile of political shit!

I feel sorry for the young women coming up. They won't be able to get an abortion or have easy access to birth control.

That is JUST GREAT isn't it?

So I really don't give a damn about Bryd and the way he reviews the paperwork and all of the political posturing going on. I am NOT impressed by any of it! :argh:

BOTTOM LINE IS THIS: Alito do you plan to do everything you can to overturn Roe v. Wade?

:kick:

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:26 PM
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10. I also give the Dems a share of blame.
Just different Dems and for different reasons.

Any Dem Senator who claims not to know today what kind of fascist Scalito is, is either an imbecile or a liar.

and those crocodile tears over the exploitation of Mrs. Scalito? First, that was probably the most truly newsworthy event of the proceedings. But to have it Byrd's way, all the repukes ever need to do to get a nominee confirmed is just stage a personally painful event, get one of their media minion to video it and--Voila!--instant confirmation due to the ignominy of it all.

He's not dead on. He's dead.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:32 PM
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15. It's all on the Democrats
And he's close to dead, I'll grant you that, but he's a damn sight better than anyone else in the Senate right now.
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wallybarron Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:12 PM
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40. Thanks
Nothing can be fixed in the party without some clarity.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:10 PM
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58. nothing can be fixed in the party without some principle
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 09:11 PM by leftofthedial
spine

standing for something more moving to the electorate than business as usual
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:45 PM
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51. so you like a guy who can gnash his teeth over poor Mrs. Alito
and use that as a reationale for voting "yes" for a fascist (never mind that the crying episode was obviously staged by the repukes)

and who thinks we don't know enough about Scalito to know what he stands for (and never mind the Federalist Society connections, the support of an imperial president, the rejection of individual rights and the championing of corporate rights that are obvious hallmarks of Scalito's entire career)

Bah!

It's not all on the Democrats. The repukes are now unashamed, overt, out-in-the-open fascists. What's "on the Democrats" is failing to oppose the repukes.

I tell you Byrd, for all his eloquence, exposes himself with today's statement as either an imbecile or as one in league with the fascists.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:53 PM
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52. Uh.....
Your passion seems to have gotten in the way of clear and informed thinking about how these things work.

You know, I probably agree with you on a plethora of subjects, but whatever you're positing here, tangled up as it is in characterizations that appear to have spittle hanging off them, I just can't quite follow. I'm sure you feel very strongly about this, but it in no way that I can see speaks to anything I've posted about Sen. Byrd and his vote.

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:08 PM
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57. In "explaining" his vote, Byrd
cries that the proceedings were traumatic for poor Mrs. Alito and that the media exploited her tears. Coming from a Dem, this is either disingenuous or ignorant. The republicans probably staged and certainly exploited that episode to make a further mockery of the committee hearings. Yet Byrd, nominally a Democrat, takes the repuke spin even a step farther than Fox News did, using it as part of his rationale for voting FOR Scalito.

He also cites his opposition to judicial activism (coming from a "conservative" state and all) as a reason to support Scalito. Anyone who has read two paragraphs about Scalito's judicial career knows that he is every bit as much a "judicial activist" as anyone who has ever been presented to the Senate for confirmation and more than almost all. Anyone in the political sphere with three working grey cells knows that "judicial activist" is RW codespeak for "Roe supporter." Again, our nominal Democrat from West Virginia spouts the RW propaganda every bit as readily as would Bill Frist. And he uses this as a rationale for voting yes to put a corporate fascist on the SCOTUS for a generation to come.

And we hear not a word about Scalia's judicial ethics breaches that have been well documented in the Vanguard case and in cases involving his children.

For an alleged Democrat to allow the procedural failings of the Judical Committee--sabotaged from the start by republicans, derided throughout by the RW media and ultimately made fiasco by the republicans--to be the reason for giving the republicans what they want is infuriating. And for an intelligent leftie like you to blame the Committee's Democrats for the entire sorry scenario is doubly so.

Is that spittle-free enough for you?

I'm sure we agree FAR more than we disagree on almost every issue. Byrd ain't one of them.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #57
64. I'm not following you, sorry.
Scalia or Alito? I get confused, your going back and forth on the names, so you've lost me in whatever you were trying to tell me. Sorry about that.

See, I happen to be Italian-American. My surname ends in a vowel. It's kind of ironic - hideous, actually - that two of my paisans finally make it to the Supreme Court and they're so rightwing as to embarrass me.

It's the same as having Dennis DeConcini, Alfonse D'Amato, and Pete Domenici serving as Repubicans. My grandparents who came to this country from italy wouldn't have understood it, and neither do I.

So, I'm sure you understand that when the names are blurred like that, so does my interest.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #64
67. Scalito = Alito (but he is just Scalia Jr. on steroids ideologically)
It's a nickname in wide usage on DU. I also enjoy the subtle scatalogical connotation of "Scalito"

My surname also ends in a vowel. It informs my politics and does not dim my opposition to fascism.


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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. See .........
We differ.

That's what makes free speech so absolutely vital.
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GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:29 PM
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12. Thanks for your well-stated post. It clarifies things for me.
The older I get the more I shake my head at the insanity of it all.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #12
18. When I was young,
I figured it'd all be black-and-white when I was older.

Now, here I am, older, and it's all gray like I've never seen before.

Thanks.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #18
38. Truly, OldLeftieLawyer
Wisdom is gray, not black and white.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #38
43. Yeah, hon,
and so am I.............

:hi:
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #4
14. Well, this may be rather simplistic of me, but it seems to me
that if someone finds strip searching a 10 year old to be an acceptable thing to do, that alone should make him or her ineligible to become a Supreme Court Justice. Then again, I was silly enough to believe Anita Hill and oppose Clarence Thomas. As far as I was concerned Thomas had "liar" stamped all over his face.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #14
20. Why didn't they ask him
to defend, or, at the very least, explain that opinion that he wrote?

Why did they not scrutinize his record more carefully and deliver question after question after question about issues like this? It's not like the guy doesn't have a paper trail.

The Democrats blew it.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #20
29. Sometimes you have to look and go beyond that which is
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 07:46 PM by cornermouse
considered "legally proper" or "legally correct" and just do that which you know to be right and in this case, the right thing to do is to vote against Alito.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. That's not the American way
That's wrong, and insulting to all that is American. If voting your feelings about someone were legitimate, we'd all be so terribly screwed.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. So even though you know that you're doing the wrong thing
you would go ahead and do it anyway? Didn't anyone teach you any ethics?
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #36
45. Wrong?
That's your opinion. I believe he did the correct thing, which is different from "right" and "wrong."

And you, darling, would get an F in my Legal Ethics class.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 05:37 AM
Response to Reply #45
81. Well, sweetie.
Edited on Fri Jan-27-06 05:59 AM by cornermouse
I do have ethics. That's probably why I'm not in your class.

I am perfectly aware that defense attorneys (example) must defend people who they may believe to be guilty. That's fine with me. Even the worst among us, when headed toward court, deserves to have the best defense they can find. What's going on here is different. It is unfortunate that you don't seem to be able to see the difference.

And by the way, had I decided to dump my principles and go into law, I would have been one of the better students in your class.

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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #20
72. Agree that Dems blew it, big time. If they had pressed HARD on the strip
search of the 10 year old girl and other issues (such as anal-rape-with-a-broomstick of a retarded man), the sheeple might have actually have woken up and been horrified by such rulings.
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #4
16. Reasonable doubt about the evidence
cannot be the reason for Byrd's approval of Alito. I don't think Byrd can logically blame his own party for not getting answers out of Alito while under oath!

The burden of proof was on Alito to prove he was qualified. Did he really truly do that?

I do appreciate your attempt to explain though and I like the analogy used.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #16
22. There was no "burden of proof"
That's a legal term employed in the matter of litigation. This was not litigation.

It was a hearing. Where people ask questions of the nominee so that everyone can HEAR the answers. If there was any burden at all, it was on the staffs and the Senators to be prepared to ask all the right questions.

No one did that.

Hence, "Mr. Justice Samuel Alito."
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. The "burden of proof" was
actually a "burden of persuasion"?

Does that fit better in your legalese?

Alito had to persuade the Judiciary Committee he was worthy of being approved and sent to the floor for confirmation. That much he achieved, but he did not persuade A SINGLE Democrat on the Committee, who WERE the jury in that proceeding, to vote for him.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. I don't speak "legalese"
The concept of "burden of proof" is a serious and complex issue, so your use of it might mean one casual thing to you, but to me, it's something about books have been written, something very complicated, something that has no place in a hearing.

There was no burden of anything on anyone except to do their jobs.

There. Does that fit better in your "civilianese"?

Look, it was political all the way, that was obvious, of course, and all Alito had to do was duck any questions the Democrats might have put to him. He didn't even have to duck because the Democrats did nothing.

There was no jury analogy available in the hearing, by the way. The full Senate would be the jury in that analogy.

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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #28
34. He had to pass a vote by the Committee before the floor,
so I called it a jury. I think that was fair.

Ok, so now there's a new jury.

Byrd's 'JOB' is to examine the evidence, and the evidence to examine before his vote is NOT JUST from the hearing. It's from years of judicial temperment/integricy/record, executive branch work, his education, his entire life!
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #34
89. There is no evidence; there is no jury
There is no burden of proof.

It's a nomination process.

Turning it into some kind of star chamber confuses the issue even further.

Frankly, if there is a burden to prove that Alito is not qualified, it is on the opposition. The President can nominate anyone he wants. Once the nomination is made, I've always believed that the presumption is that the person is qualified.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #28
44. Excuse me, but...
you do speak legalese the majority of the time. Then you condescend to anyone that does not understand.

It must feel really fine to be on that high perch looking down at those who did not go to law school.


Just a friendly insight as to how you come off.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #22
86. I wonder why you think..
... it would have mattered? He didn't answer ANY questions anyway. Everything he said was a dodge or a platitude.

The Vanguard thing is hot air to begin with. He was merely a mutual fund shareholder, not a company shareholder. Had that line of questioning been followed, it would have gone nowhere with anyone knowing jack shit about matters financial.

I agree that the jud committee could have done better. It wouldn't have made any difference.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #4
17. I disagree that they did NOTHING
Although I do think they could have done better. But there were many cases they referred to, the retarded man, machine guns, mining, strip search, spousal notification, some other discrimination cases. What they didn't do is tie it together in a way that would prove that the man doesn't have the proper prioritizing of this country being for the people, not the executive or faceless corporate interests.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. Not tying it together,
and not pursuing stricter scrutiny of the abovementioned matters, was how they ended up doing nothing.

You can huff and puff all you want, but if you don't blow the house down, you lose.

The Democrats laid down on their jobs. They gave us Mr. Justice Alito.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. Okay, oldleftieLAWYER
What is it about a bunch of lawyers who can't make a case to the jury anymore???
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. They quit being lawyers,
and turned into political hacks.

Time to throw the bums out and start all over. Think "Paul Hackett," for starters.
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #32
37. You want to throw out
Leahy
Kennedy
Biden
Kohl
Feinstein
Feingold
Schumer
Durbin

You're off your rocker, guy.

Hackett will for sure knock out Mike DeWine, a good start on the members of the Judiciary Committee, AND A GOOD START ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE COMMITTEE.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:27 PM
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. I apologize,
I inferred gender from some previous long ago thread. I have no problem with women being lawyers. My lawyer is a woman. My girlfriend intends to go to law school. Her mother is a lawyer. My female cousin who I greatly admire, is a lawyer. I should not assume or refer to gender in an anonymous forum.

It does in fact surprise me the sun comes up every morning - I blame the philosophy degree on the wall - I'm not the first one surprised by it.

Limited thinking? Do explain before your condescension gets the best of you. I hope I haven't landed in IgnoreLand too late to get this explanation from you.

And allow me to explain as well... I replied to your call for the replacement of one of the best bunch of Democratic senators one could assemble. I like Paul Hackett. I like his campaign style, but he's not yet a proven legislator. I will send him money, I would apply to work on his campaign if I was willing to leave D.C. That said, he's not on the Judiciary Committee. Those who are, were limited by the rules and ethics under which they operate in a Committee that has two more Republican members than it has Democratic members.

I think a great example of limited thinking is blaming Democrats for failing to convince Robert Byrd that Alito is not fit to serve as an Associate Justice of The Surpreme Court of The United States. Byrd's argument does not convince me, and neither did your original post. When I disagreed, all I got was condescension and sarcasm, which seems to be par for the course for you.

Again, sorry for the gender inference, no harm intended.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #32
39. Hate politics
Cool. Just what I was hoping the next generation would bring.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #4
55. OLL - one of the things that bothers me about his speech, though
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 09:02 PM by FLDem5
is that one of his main arguments for voting Yes is that his constituency was "outraged" and "disgraced" and "appalled". These comments seemed to be aimed at Mrs. Alito's tears.

Now the way he commented that these particular words were repeated, it sounds like a phone bank campaign - but with stationary. I got several of these during the 2004 campaign from special interest groups. Hand written to make them more personal, but cranked out en masse by willing volunteers.

Senator Byrd seems to be saying that he was more influenced by these letters, than by the Alito's answers to the questions. They out thought us on Byrd on this one.

Anyhoo - Biden was an ass, he can't help it - but not enough of one to make Alito seem like a great guy.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #55
66. I read that simply as commentary
Byrd's vote was limited by what he had before him about Alito and his record. Don't forget - Byrd's the last of the great orators. He does love to hear his own voice. I'm certain he was just tipping his hat to his constituents. He's an old pro.

A great guy? Alito? Perhaps he is. That wasn't what was to be considered by the committee - it was his fitness to serve on the Supreme Court. No one ever put that at issue, and that, for me, was my kiss goodbye to this bunch of Democrats.

I just typed "Democraps." Then I corrected it. Perhaps I shouldn't have.

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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #4
60. I have to differ on this-- what about the vanguard/smith barney issue?
When he was confirmed to the 3rd Circuit Court he swore, under oath,
before the Senate, to recuse himself from cases that involved Smith-
Barney or Vanguard. Yet, in the two relevant cases that came
before him, he ruled in favor of each rather than abstaining.

His excuses:

in one case, "a computer failed to remind him", while in the
other, "he didn't mean to recuse himself forever".

Both are lame offerings for someone who is supposedly so brilliant.

What committments did he make to the Senate this time that he will
conveniently forget during his assumed tenure on the high court?

This was discussed in the confirmation hearings but the repukes switched the course of discourse and IMO Byrd must not have have been listening.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #60
75. That's where the Democrats failed
If they couldn't strategically continue their Vanguard questioning of Alito, they should have taken it - loudly, relentllessly, endlessly - to the media in every form. Taken it to their constituents, to the bloggers, to the Daily Show.

They folded.

They also should have had other issues, other Alito decisions, researched and ready to pound him with, but what did we get?

Joe Biden in a Princeton baseball cap.

It was shameful, how the Democrats participated in rendering that hearing a farce.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #75
88. Ok I see what you are saying
Biden BTW should be banned from speaking in general IMO
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 06:47 AM
Response to Reply #4
83. Thank you -
- for your well thought out response. It confirms what I had been thinking as I watched the process.

I was a bit surprised at Byrd and admire the courage it took for him to make such a statement. It was what my father would call an old fashioned "dressing-down".

I agree. Byrd was "dead right on", as you put it.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:22 PM
Response to Original message
5. sorry to say it, but he's either supremely ignorant or he is lying
"Conservative" indeed. How activist do these fascists have to be before Dem Senators stop spouting RW lies? The bush crime gang can claim all day that traitors like Scalito won't be "judicial activists." That don't make it so. You'd think Byrd would know RW codespeak by now. Bah!

What a pantload.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #5
50. Agree.
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:23 PM
Response to Original message
7. I hope that Byrd
cannot get a wink of sleep for the next 7 nights. I hope that Bush singles him out for special mention in the SOTU address. I hope Byrd's name will always be attached to Alito's, should the confirmation really go through.

Good argument in his speech, but these are the wrong times to apply it.

What a disappointment!
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #7
13. no joke
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 07:31 PM by CountAllVotes
I hope that the parents of a pregnant kid that shoves a hanger up her ass to pull out a fetus or OD's on some drugs and dies appreciates this political crap!!

More than a disappointment - I am afraid I am no longer a supporter of Byrd. He is a sell-out and a rich old man sell-out at that! :argh:

Sell-out pig is what Bryd really IS and now WE THE PEOPLE know it!

:kick:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:28 PM
Response to Original message
11. Well, in another day, he'd be right
But for this day and time, he's naive. That, or he really was swayed by the religious vote considering he specifically mentioned it in his speech. But I do think he said what he believes and it doesn't sound like there's much room for him to change his mind.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:33 PM
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19. Bryd is a sell-out fascist
I guess he decided to join the club, the male pig fascist club!

Very disappointed! Very!

:kick:
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:35 PM
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21. Religion ? that says it all...
"I told him that I believe the Supreme Court has gone too far in prohibiting the free exercise of religion in our country."

obviously this guy doesn't have a clue about what the separation of Church and State means...

and he and others talk about "separation of powers, constitutions, bill of rights, non-partisan" etc...

they should read other constitutions or the UN declaration of human rights and make a little philosophical research about the philosophy of Enlightment...

the problem is that too many Americans are prisoners of a myth, and paying it dearly to day
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:42 PM
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25. I'm so surprised at this development.....
Wasn't it Byrd who said he was "ashamed" of the senate when it stooped to its lowest point by giving the chimp war powers authorization? He said they abdicated their responsibilty as an independent branch of the government. As I recall in his book, he was very eloquent in his outrage.

WTF happened?!? If this isn't rolling over and playing dead, what is? Something must have happened to "switch" him. I still can't believe he'd do this. If he yes on Alito's confirmation, I'm sending his book back to him.

Fuck!! I'm actually feeling very sad and hurt about this. Of all people, him. :cry:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:35 AM
Response to Reply #25
85. "I'm actually feeling very sad and hurt about this."
Try being from West Virginia today.

I've been sad and hurt since 12/12/2000.

If that stunt the SCOTUS pulled, when they stopped the vote counting in Florida and awarded the keys to the White House to Bush, didn't show Robert Byrd in spades, the importance of placing fair and just people on the Supreme Court, instead of political hacks and yes men, then Robert Byrd is blind to reality. Now is not the time to play Ralph Nader.

Now is the time for all good men, including Robert C Byrd, to come to the aid of their country.

Nobody on DU could be any more saddened about this, than we who have voted for and supported Bob Byrd through thick or thin. I'm grateful to Mr. Byrd for the good things he's done for my state and my country. I don't think I can bring myself to support Mr. Byrd in the next election if he throws in with this pack of thieves, liars, murderers and cheats. GOP light is GOP, the way I see it.

A vote for Bush's hand picked yes man, is a vote to turn the FBI and CIA into the GESTAPO. Now is not the time for political games. The hounds from Hell are at America's heels Mr. Byrd, please wake up before it's too late.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:44 PM
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27. Deleted sub-thread
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:19 PM
Response to Original message
41. Well, Praise Jesus! Save that poor tearful damsel from tears!
"Was it really necessary to subject Mrs. Alito to the harsh glare of television klieg lights as she fled the hearing room in tears, fighting to maintain her dignity in response to others with precious little of their own?"

A Scarlett O'Hara moment if ever there was one.

"I told him that I believe the Supreme Court has gone too far in prohibiting the free exercise of religion in our country."

Poor downtrodden Christians suffering under the brutal hand of the Establishment Clause that won't let them shove their beliefs down everyone's throats.



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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #41
61. A well choreographed Scarlett O'Hara moment , tears and all.
It wouldn't surprise me if the infamous judge didn't abuse his Stepford wife. He has no respect for women, minorities or children.

The entire "damsel in distress" theatrics fooled the southern Christian gentleman, sad to say.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:38 PM
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47. You are an honorable man, too, Mr. Byrd. eom
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:59 PM
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54. You let us down Byrd
Maybe it's time for you to retire.
You forget the party that stood behind you.
You forget the liberals now who defend your KKK affiliation.
Why? Because we BELIEVED in you. But you let us down.
Now you say in these hearings that your constituents don't like Alito, it seemed obvious you were displeased during the hearings, yet despite all that, you are giving him a rubber stamp.
I have two questions for you Byrd
1. When can we expect you to retire or be replaced?
2. How much did you get for your vote?
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:13 PM
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59. I can't even read this whole thing
Can he cut to the f'ing chase without all this BULLSHIT?

Mrs Alitos's tears?

You've got 14 dead miners in the course of the last three weeks Byrd (based in part on bushit policies) WTF?

I have to wonder what they have on this guy--
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #59
74. He actually gave a very good speech about coal mining
earlier today or yesterday on the floor.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:27 PM
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62. Tell him the legacy of all Senators voting Aye to Alito will be the
destruction of our Constitutional government. This one vote will destroy Byrd's lifelong legacy as its greatest champion. How tragic!

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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:30 PM
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65. This take them at the word stuff is the provence of fools
I would look at two things:the record, his past. And the other thing: whose in favor of him. Why would you trust Bush, the Republicans, more than your fellow Dems that are so passionate in not confirming him? I don't expect total party loyalty-but do they even listen to each other? It's a lot of blathering to hear their own voice I guess.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:52 PM
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71. Save it for the boot-lickers, I aint buying. n/t
n/t
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 01:15 AM
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76. Byrd has 1000% the integrity of Kerry
hat speech made me sit back and think, he made this speech from the seta of the Senate floor, not from overseas just in time for the evening news. Byrd meant it. He stated concisely the issues that mattered to him, and he articulated his true beliefs. Byrd is an old man, you think he really gives a shit what people thinks?! He had the balls to say what he truly felt and believed.

Kerry is a slug compared to Byrd.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 01:24 AM
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77. Fucking Klansman!
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 06:49 AM
Response to Reply #77
84. Republican Talking Points 101 ??
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #84
90. No. Here's Republican Talking Point 101:
Many people, including foremost the people of West Virginia in no uncertain terms were, frankly, appalled by the Alito hearings.
...
And it’s not just the Senate as an institution which is to blame. The virulence of some outside groups from both sides of the political spectrum added fuel to the fire. Multi-million dollar advertising campaigns either to proclaim or denigrate Judge Alito’s fitness for the position raged across the airwaves.
...
Was it really necessary to subject Mrs. Alito to the harsh glare of television klieg lights as she fled the hearing room in tears, fighting to maintain her dignity in response to others with precious little of their own?
...
when it comes to judges, I hail from a conservative state. And, like a majority of my constituents, I prefer conservative judges - - that is judges who do not try to make the law. In fact, I was once approached by Richard Nixon to be a U.S. Supreme Court Justice.
...
I know not exactly what kind of Justice Samuel Alito may actually be - - no one does. But my considered judgment from his record, from his answers to my questions, and from his obvious intelligence and sincerity, leads me to believe him to be an honorable man, who loves his country, loves his Constitution, and will give of his best. Can we really ask for more?

THOSE ARE THE WORDS OF AN UNMITIGATED JACKASS! I'M DONE WITH SEN. BYRD -- FUCK HIM!
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. I agree 100! Byrd is taking his cues from the GOP on this one.
It's horrible. I'd like to see Nick Rahall in the Senate.

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 01:25 AM
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78. Karl Rove couldn't have said it better.
Peace.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 01:34 AM
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79. We need to replace this old worn out gas bag.
Edited on Fri Jan-27-06 01:37 AM by AX10
The same "man" who has been screaming about Bush's abuses of power is now going to put someone on the USSC who would disregard the constituition of our nation? :wtf:?
Notice, Jay Rockefeller, who also is from West Virginia is NOT supporting Alito.
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 02:27 AM
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80. That's an excellent point. nt.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 06:20 AM
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82. "made for TV antics"
I was waiting for him to say Mrs. Rovetears but he couldn't get up off his knees long enough to say it.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 09:09 AM
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87. Well, I'm glad we spent half the hearing talking about CAP
I tend to agree with Byrd that Kennedy spent half the hearings grandstanding on an issue that turned out to be not much of anything.
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