Oh F*cking Great... BuzzFlash Has Rumors That Obama Rejects FB !!!

[WillyT]

BuzzFlash Has Heard a Rumor that Senator Barack Obama Has Been Opposing a Filibuster of Alito Inside the Democratic Caucus

January 27, 2006

A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS

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We hope this isn't true, but BuzzFlash has been told by a knowledgeable source that Senator Barack Obama is opposing a filibuster of Alito during the debate raging within the Democratic Senate Caucus. The implication is that he is against such a filibuster on "strategic grounds."

BuzzFlash's source for this rumor also correctly informed us that after days of BuzzFlash calling upon Senator John Kerry to live up to his 2003 commitment to lead a filibuster against a candidate with the anti-Constitutional background of Sam Alito that Kerry was now trying to get the caucus to back a filibuster. Indeed, late on Thursday, Kerry's office publicly announced what our source had told us: Kerry would indeed try to filibuster Alito and try to persuade his Democratic colleagues to back him by voting to keep the filibuster alive. He will need 40 other votes.

But that brings us back to Obama. We called both his Chicago and D.C. offices to try and ferret out whether Obama's alleged opposition to a filibuster was indeed true, but we could not get an answer. We left a message with his D.C. Press Secretary that we would run with the story if we did not hear back from him -- and we did not hear back from him.

That doesn't mean it's true. But add this to the evidence...

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More: http://www.buzzflash.com/index.php?story=Story

:wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

:nuke:

[blm]

1. Gee....maybe your pink tutu photo was wrong, after all.

.

[WillyT]

4. Wow... That Really Bothers Ya Huh ???

:rofl:

[blm]

5. It does. It's based on false accusations and I've always been a stickler

for accuracy and historic record.

[WillyT]

11. Dude... It's A Metaphor... And It's Funny...

And the only time I DON'T giggle at it, is when I think it's true.

:shrug:

[blm]

13. It's a smear and a lie. And reinforces RW memes that the media

encourages.

Bart and others should expose the GOP control of the media as much as they crap on Dems who have done more to positively effect this nation's history than any of them put together.

[WillyT]

15. There's A New One Ya Know...

But I wouldn't wanna step on any toes here.

:rofl:

[blm]

20. Let bart answer this 1 question - Would Bush be in office today if Clinton

had sided with Kerry about opening all the papers on IranContra and BCCI instead of siding with Greenspan who advised him against it?

Hell, make it 2 - Would 9-11 have happened if the international funders of global terrorism were completely exposed to public scrutiny back then?

Clinton wanted to move on and let George Bush have a peaceful retirement - he says so in his book. Funny how he doesn't write ONE WORD ABOUT BCCI.

How cute that you think I'm so worth laughing at. Enjoy.

[WillyT]

28. Ok... So Clinton Should Be One Of The Pink Tututsi's, No ???

(Again, I don't really care WHO is in that exercise in PhotoShopping anger. It wouldn't piss people off if it didn't contain some of our 'leaders' or 'sacred cows', but that is the point... I want people to get angry. I want you to get angry, I want me to be angry, and I definitely want the Democratic Party, and those so PhotoShopped, to get angry. And then... I want them to act. I want them to do their fucking jobs. I want them to save this country.

Listen... I've voted straight Dem since they changed the Constitution and let 18 year olds vote. My first vote was for Jerry Brown for Governor of CA in '74. My first presidential vote was for Carter in '76. I've basically voted straight Dem every time since then.

But... all these mofo's work for you and me, and EVERYBODY else in this country, and if they are really truly faithful to their oaths of office, they will do what's correct.

Otherwise... what's the point?

:shrug:

[dchill]

39. Of The Pink Tututsi's...?

Yes, now that he's always seen in the company of Herbie Walker.

[blm]

44. Read his book - he wanted Bush1 to retire in peace - no investigations

Thanks Bill, that really worked out well for this country and the rest of the world, didn't it?

Would have been nice if you cared more about the crimes against the Constitution than the peacefulness of Bush's retirement, don't ya think?

[dchill]

45. How sweet.

Ethics? We don't need no stinkin' ethics. We're the X-Presidents.

[dchill]

46. Real crimes...

need real punishment. Bushes always skate.

[karynnj]

26. It's not funny in the least - it diminished some of the strongest

people we have. I doubt the snarky idiot who created it would have had the guts to do what Kerry did in any of the last 5 decades.

1960s - Swiftboat commander
1970s - challange Nixon
1980s - Challange Reagan/Bush and the contras
1990s - Challage Bush I and international terrorists and their bank
2000s - Bush/Cheney

But of course he does really good Photoshop -

[WillyT]

29. Question: Are You Perchance Tuned Into Malloy Right Now ???

You might wanna, just to get a sense of the anger out here, and the greater problem for the party. And it isn't JUST for the rePublicans.

:shrug:

[blm]

31. You forgot 1985 - submit first Senate legislation to protect gays.

1993 - Advocates and testifies for gays to serve openly in the military.

I guess in bart's mind that would put Kerry in a pink tutu while Clinton is all man for going against that, and Clinton is all man for telling Kerry to endorse anti-gay measures on the 2004 ballot, which Kerry refused to do. Yep - Kerry gets the tutu and Clinton is ALL BRAVE MAN in bart's book.

The only reason Clinton won was because the work Kerry did exposing IranContra and BCCI - the bad headlines added up so people didn't TRUST Bush anymore. The electorate wouldn't change president had those two scandals not taken their toll.

And that was with a healthier news climate than Gore or Kerry faced.

[radio4progressives]

2. Obama also helped Byrd raise $800,000 dollars for Byrd's re-election

campaign.

This is disgusting, i'm freaking pissed.

[shance]

3. Isn't Barak Illinois. Illinois and all DUer's hammer his phone lines.

And ask him to stop playing politics with Americans lives and support the filibuster.

[jillan]

6. Well there goes your title of the "bright, new star of the dem party"

Obama blogs - he should know better.

[Warren Stupidity]

12. He reminds me of that other bright new star -

Bill Clinton - and his media-annointed rise is equally suspicious and unjustified by his actions.

[WI_DEM]

7. This is surprising

Illinois is a solid blue state and Barak is supposed to be a progressive. Of course it might not be true.

[Guaranteed]

8. God dammit. He'd better not be. nt

[applegrove]

9. I think some Dems are more worried about alienated red state voters.

Cause Dems need at least one of them red states.. or perhaps more than one... to win in 2008. Also too - the Dems cannot win this in the end. It will be Alito or some other nut. So doing a fillibuster and winning one round - will just mean dems will be powerless again in a few months. And Bush will get to put somebody on the court.

The way it is.

[B Calm]

17. They don't care if they alienate their base, gotta look central..

[Warren Stupidity]

10. Not surprised at all if true.

Obama appears to be obsessively cautious. He has taken one disappointing position on major issues after another. I gave up on this media-annointed 'wonder kid' a long time ago.

[bliss_eternal]

14. This is still a rumour--believe nothing until you hear it from

the horse's mouth.

I already said this in the other thread about this, but seriously guys come on! They see us all getting behind Kerry and others for filibuster. Why not start something to divide?

All along, I've heard nothing but Obama being in support of no--now this. Sorry, I'm not buying it. You're all entitled to if you like, but in all fairness, why believe anything not coming from the source?

Focus on what you DO know. Kerry is asking for filibuster. Let's support him and ask all senators for support.

[B Calm]

16. SPINELESS ASSHOLES!!

[beaconess]

18. I do not think this is true. n/t

[Walt Starr]

19. The cloture vote on Alito was the reason why I voted for Obama

If he refuses to filibuster, he's lost me forever.

[Coexist]

21. lol

[Walt Starr]

23. It's the only reason I've ever voted Democratic

Seriously, this is the moment I;ve been waiting my entire voting life for. It's the only reason Democrats have received my vote.

[Coexist]

24. Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic

as in you could see into the future to Alito being nominated. Sorry.

[Walt Starr]

25. Well, yes, I COULD see that an "Alito" would be nominated

That was clear. Either within a second Bush term or some point in the future.

[Dr Fate]

22. They will swift-boat Obama someday, and he will cry:

"But- but- I played nice- I was polite-I tried to work with the liars & criminals- why are you doing this?- how could this happen to ME?"

[Azathoth]

27. If Alito worked intently to keep blacks out of Princeton...

then I think we can all guess his view on blacks in the US Senate. How Obama could refuse to do everything in his power to oppose someone like that is beyond me.

[flyarm]

30. what fucking "strategic grounds." obama..what fucking grounds? a racist

son of a bitch and you are worried about fucking "strategic grounds."

how about this obama..you never get elected again because the machines steal it from you..how about this obama * has military locking up blacks all over this country because blacks tend to vote democratic...

how about this obama..blacks were having their doors kicked in in orlando before the last election and cops were demanding to see their voter registration cards..by gun point..for no damn reason...

so tell us obama...what "strategic grounds."

what a fucking joke..what a fucking sell out!

fly

[IndianaGreen]

34. Obama is drinking the DLC Kool Aid

Now that Kerry is going to filibuster Alito, and with the help of others, perhaps Obama will grow some balls and join the fray.

[OzarkDem]

40. Wonder what "strategy" Obama has in mind?

:shrug:

[mconvente]

32. obama continues to let us down

obama has been horrible in the senate - he's been a real let down to true dems...

[democrattruth]

33. I heard Durbin saying tonight

that a flibuster is highly unlikely. Also Reid made a clear signal that there will be no filibuster.

[mac56]

35. where?

quotes?

links?

lots of people hear things...

[democrattruth]

36. ABC news radio

I will try to find a link for it.

[democrattruth]

37. Here you go

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/26/AR2006012601955.html

Senate Democratic Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.) repeatedly told colleagues this week that he wanted to avoid a filibuster, party members said. He looked frustrated in the Senate chamber yesterday as he told Frist he could not avert the parliamentary tactic. Shrugging his shoulders, Reid said he hoped "this matter will be resolved without too much more talking, but . . . everyone has the right to talk."

Party sources said Reid and others worry that a filibuster, while likely to fail, will nonetheless detract voters' attention from issues that Democratic leaders consider more promising. They include Bush's controversial domestic surveillance program, the indictments of a top White House official and a congressional leader, and the unfolding scandal centered on former lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Party leaders especially worry about forcing a filibuster decision on Democrats seeking reelection this fall in GOP-leaning states, including Nelson and Kent Conrad (N.D.).

While Reid hoped to avoid a filibuster, Democratic Whip Richard J. Durbin (Ill.) supports it. But at a midday session with reporters, Durbin acknowledged the likely futility.

"Having made a count," he said, "I have come to the conclusion it is highly unlikely that a filibuster would succeed."

[mac56]

42. Here's what I take from that...

Senate Democratic Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.) repeatedly told colleagues this week that he wanted to avoid a filibuster, party members said. He looked frustrated in the Senate chamber yesterday as he told Frist he could not avert the parliamentary tactic. Shrugging his shoulders, Reid said he hoped "this matter will be resolved without too much more talking, but . . . everyone has the right to talk."

Brinksmanship on Reid's part. He's a master. Of course he'd rather avoid all this unpleasantness...but....people gotta do what they gotta do.

While Reid hoped to avoid a filibuster, Democratic Whip Richard J. Durbin (Ill.) supports it. But at a midday session with reporters, Durbin acknowledged the likely futility. "Having made a count," he said, "I have come to the conclusion it is highly unlikely that a filibuster would succeed."

Still nothing to worry about. Durbin knows it's not the outcome but the effort that matters.

I'm not alarmed about this at all. Thanks for sharing.

[Name removed]

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[LSK]

41. OBAMA CONTACT INFO HERE

Obama, Barack- (D - IL) Class III
713 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
[phone]
Web Form: http://obama.senate.gov/contact/

STOP CRYING ABOUT IT AND CONTACT HIM!!!

[dchill]

43. "strategic grounds"

He is apparently not as bright as I thought he must be. A filibuster at this point would be an extraorinarily strategic move - it just wouldn't shine enough of a spotlight on Barack.