HAHAHA Carville just called Bush a Cut n Run National Guard deserter

[Proud2BAmurkin]

LOL. RePUKES are regretting they ever started this shit

:yourock:

[Jackpine Radical]

1. Even a fuckhead like Carville

has his uses.

[flpoljunkie]

9. But he couldn't resist taking a shot at Kerry by saying he refused to apologize

before he apologized. It is so patently obvious that Carville supports Hillary Clinton and cannot resist taking a dig at John Kerry while also defending him.

[Jackpine Radical]

11. I think Carville is a mole.

Remember what he did in 2004.

[Joe Chi Minh]

12. I think the thing about it is that it wasn't just a shot at John Kerry; it

was a cheap shot. Something that by nature, he couldn't resist. If he can't distinguish between JK's regret for fluffing a punchline and regret for impugning *' nous, he'd make good company for *.

[ima_sinnic]

2. good! yes, let's get that AWOL stuff out in the limelight again,

since the s**t-heads managed to squelch it so successfully with their set-up of Dan Rather.

[Rosco T.]

3. Sic'em Cpl. Cueball! n/m

[BOSSHOG]

4. Deserted the United States Military to avoid a drug test

and "conservatives" love him.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

5. he also said right off that kerry "refused to apologize before

he apologized." and then laughed.

[Beelzebud]

7. Exactly. Fuck James Carville.... Just look at who he's married to...

[Proud2BAmurkin]

8. that's not unfunny

.

[OzarkDem]

6. He'll be sleeping in the dog house tonight

Keep it up, Carville. Show us you're still a fighting Dem!

[Hubert Flottz]

10. Should Bush apologize for being AWOL for over 30 years?

[banana republican]

26. Hell no. He should report to JAIL...

[Xenotime]

13. Another punch to the GOP. Remember..

the bigger they are..the harder they fall.

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[Diane R]

15. Unlike Iraq, during Vietnam the National Guard did NOT serve.

[PaganPreacher]

19. You think? You think wrong.

Unlike Iraq, during Vietnam the National Guard did NOT serve.

From the National Guard's Web site: "During the Vietnam war, almost 23,000 Army and Air Guardsmen were called up for a year of active duty; some 8,700 were deployed to Vietnam."
http://www.ngb.army.mil/About/default.aspx

Air National Guard (ANG) fighter units in the Viet Nam War: http://www.ang.af.mil/history/Heritage/VietnamWar.asp

In response to the first presidential order, the ANG mobilized 9,343 personnel on 25 January 1968. Within 36 hours, approximately 95 percent of the Air Guardsmen had reported to their units. Those included eight tactical fighter groups, three tactical reconnaissance groups and three wing headquarters...On 3 May, F-100s from the 120th Tactical Fighter Squadron (Colorado) arrived at Phan Rang Air Base. By 1 June, all of the l20th's pilots were flying combat missions. In the meantime, the 174th (Iowa), 188th (New Mexico), and the 136th (New York) had all deployed to Vietnam with their F-100s. In addition, 85 percent of the 355th Tactical Fighter Squadron -- on paper a regular Air Force unit -- were Air Guardsmen. The Air Guard units were quickly and effectively integrated into Air Force combat operations in Southeast Asia (SEA). Prior to their return home in April 1969, they flew 24,124 sortie and 38,614 combat hours...Two ANG fighter squadrons and their F-100Cs were dispatched to Korea in the summer of 1968 to replace the Air Force units that had been rushed there during the Pueblo crisis. The 166th (Ohio) and the 127th (Kansas) were formed into the 354th Tactical Fighter Wing.

The Pagan Preacher
I don't turn the other cheek.

[Lasher]

23. Good point, Pagan, but this was the exception and not the rule

9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era (5 August 1965 - 7 May 1975)

3,403,100 (including 514,300 offshore) personnel served in the SE Asia Theater (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, flight crews based in Thailand and sailors in adjacent South China Sea waters).

2,594,000 personnel served within the borders of South Vietnam (1 January 1965 - 28 March 1973)

Another 50,000 men served in Vietnam between 1960 and 1964

http://www.mrfa.org/vnstats.htm

Edit: Junior never did fly enough hours to qualify for active duty in Vietnam. He just stopped flying well before he got to that point. I believe this was deliberate on his part.

[Azathoth]

17. Are you being sarcastic?

Bush did desert. He never showed up for National Guard duty. He had his flight status revoked because he was too busy getting drunk. Add to that the fact that back during Vietnam, the Guard was a way of dodging military service, and I'd say that Carville was dead-on in his remarks.

[Rainscents]

18. You need to get your fact right first, before telling someone to STFU.

Back in Vietnam, National Guard did not go into war zone. This all changed with Bush II.
And BTW; Bush never finished his service, he AWOL-ed!

[PaganPreacher]

20. You need to get YOUR facts straight...

before you tell someone else to get his facts straight.

Kansas Army National Guard in Viet Nam: From 1966 to 1969, during the Vietnam War, the 69th Bde was mobilized into active Federal service in May 1968. The 69th Bde went to Fort Carson, CO, and some 2,350 members were deployed to Vietnam.

Kansas Air National Guard deployed to Korea during Viet Nam War: The 184th Tactical Fighter Group also was mobilized in January of 1968 and it was sent to Kunsan Air Base in the Republic of Korea.

Source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/arng-ks.htm

National Guard service during Viet Nam was definitely NOT "desertion".

The Pagan Preacher
I don't turn the othe cheek.

[kath]

21. But there is clear evidence that Chimpyshit did NOT finish his Nat'l

Guard commitment - skipped out early, probably so he wouldn't have to take a drug test.

[Rainscents]

24. Like I'd said... National Guard did NOT go into war zone!

I don't give a shit how you put it... bottom line is, NG did NOT fight in front line.

[0rganism]

27. And YOU need to find out where Chimpy McCokespoon went in 1972 and 1973

after his ass got transfered from the TANG to a postal unit in Alabama.

Go ahead, read up on it. We'll wait.

[Lasher]

22. It was different back then, Pagan

Neither the National Guard nor the Reserves were called to active duty on account of the war in Vietnam, like they are being called up today. Instead, people were drafted to beef up the active military. In those days you were assured that you would not have to go to Vietnam or serve a minimum of 2 years on active duty if you joined the National Guard or Reserves. Accordingly, there were waiting lists and you had to know someone to get in before the draft got you. I know, I tried unsuccessfully to do just that.

But Junior did know someone. Poppy's influence got him sent to the front of the lines to get into the TANG and to be a pilot, and also got him an officer's commission he probably wouldn't have otherwise received. Even at that, The Decider did not fulfill his obligation.

http://awolbush.com/

These days the Idiot in Chief is quite brave since it's other peoples' lives and limbs that are on the line. But it was a different story back then when bravery would have had a more personal relevance for him. It is for this hypocrisy, for the privileged treatment he received, and for his failure to complete his obligation that he is appropriately condemned.

[banana republican]

25. Bush Cheney & most of the PNACer's

have never worn a uniform.

In bush's case; he is a deserter...

do your home work...

[democrank]

28. Some reading material for you, PaganPreacher.

You completely missed the mark on this one. George W. Bush never bothered to finish his National Guard service. That`s the issue.

http://www.awolbush.com/

[NNN0LHI]

29. You must not have been around during the Kent State shootings

During Vietnam the national guard was the place to hide out to avoid combat duty in southeast Asia. That is what Bush was trying to do. Avoid combat.

The guardsman who shot and killed the students at Kent State were in the guard because they didn't want to shoot at people who might shoot back at them in Vietnam. They were some real heroes alright.

Do you see the irony there fella?

Don

[upi402]

16. Bush, still AWOL after all these years n/t

[Bad Penny]

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