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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 08:24 AM
Original message
Part V: Halliburton/KBR Cut and Run from Iraq: Cheney Running Like Hell (Again)
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 09:02 AM by CorpGovActivist
"Halliburton Shareholder: Will File Suit Over KBR Spin-off: Halliburton Should Not 'Cut and Run' from Its KBR Operations, Says Smith," in filing dated October 4, 2006:

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/45012/000126947606000012/seekinganinjunctionkbr.htm

"Now Is Not the Time to 'Cut and Run' from KBR's Important Work, Smith Says;
Calls for Company to Honor Its Obligations to Country, Military, and KBR Families

'For me, the big red KBR letters in the logo now seem to stand for:

Kut and run away from the liability that arises from the
Bungled merger with Dresser Industries because
Rove now senses this has become an albatross around the Administration's neck.

Of course, that's just my opinion - but it's one that is rooted firmly in what I witnessed firsthand at KBR,' says Smith."
*******************************************************************

Does your Senator or Member of Congress know that Halliburton is about to cut and run from its KBR operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, etc?

To learn more, of this story (this is Thread V this week), see threads I - IV in my DU Journal: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/CorpGovActivist (and/or see the SEC filings I've made so far: http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=smith+david+allen&CIK=&filenum=&State=&SIC=&owner=include&action=getcompany)

- David A. Smith*, Editor of www.HALwhistleblowers.org and www.BushBunglesBrigade.org

* not to be confused, ever again, with David R. Smith, the as-yet-unindicted VP of Tax at Halliburton, owner of all this Halliburton stock: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/45012/000004501205000406/xslF345X02/edgar.xml
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 08:26 AM
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1. Here you go - good morning :)
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 08:27 AM by stop the bleeding
Halliburton Company has said it will agree to the Securities and Exchange Commission's (SEC) request for more time to investigate possible bribery and corruption in connection with the company's natural gas operations in Nigeria.

The oilfield services conglomerate disclosed the SEC's recent request for a so-called tolling agreement in a regulatory filing on Tuesday. Such an accord will put off the time when the legal clock started running, or tolling, on the case under the statute of limitations - generally five years for such investigations.

The agreement also gives Houston-based Halliburton more time to make its case to the SEC against possible civil charges under the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, or to work out a settlement with the agency. The act makes it unlawful to bribe foreign government officials or company executives to obtain or retain business.

"In September 2006, the SEC requested that we enter into a tolling agreement with respect to its investigation. We anticipate that we will enter into an appropriate tolling agreement with the SEC," Halliburton said in its filing.

SEC spokesman John Nester declined comment yesterday.



~snip~

David A. Smith said in a filing with the SEC in September that he mistakenly received emails from a company attorney on how to handle federal investigations - notes he says were intended for David R. Smith, a vice-president with Halliburton's tax group.

The emails, he said, focused on how Halliburton would defend itself against bribery charges.

David A. Smith, who says he owns a single share of Halliburton's common stock, said in his SEC filing that David R. Smith "was being asked to weigh in on how to explain away the source of the bribes paid to Nigerian officials."

Halliburton has said that Smith's allegations are groundless.




http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20061102/business/business1.html
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 08:31 AM
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3. Gee...Tolling Agreement Requested in September ...
... and my first Halliburton filing with the SEC?

http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=smith+david+allen&CIK=&filenum=&State=&SIC=&owner=include&action=getcompany

I hope that helps some of the skeptics.

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 08:55 AM
Response to Reply #1
5. Find the Source of the $$$, and Who Directed the $$$ and you arrive at....
... the EOP, right?

IMHO the really difficult task here is how to freeze the assets which are largely outside the United States? If you fail here, you cannot recover the massive transfer of US taxpayer dollars they extracted from a corrupt Administration.

Then consider:

IF Cheney resigns, who is in line to take his place? Condi??
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. "Cui bono?" and "Follow the money" Are the Two...
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 09:05 AM by CorpGovActivist
... touchstones to this investigation and this scandal.

Dick Cheney should play the last honorable move he has left to him on the chessboard: resign, now, before the mid-terms.

I suspect that the timing of his final act will factor into many people's leniency recommendations.

- Dave
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:22 AM
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11. You don't really believe Cheney has a shred of honor left, do you?
"Dick Cheney should play the last honorable move he has left to him on the chessboard: resign, now, before the mid-terms."

Honestly this is what I'm wishing for...I made this picture last year, but you give me hope I will be able to dust it off and re-use it this year. :)

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #11
13. As I Replied...
... in the other thread, I can guarantee you'll get more mileage out of it, if you'll license it to www.HALwhistleblowers.org and www.BushBunglesBrigade.org.

In fact, you might even get "eyes" on that from some of the spoofed characters, judging from my recent site traffic.

; )

- Dave
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #13
18. It's yours gratis!!
:loveya:

I hope it makes the goons wince.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #18
19. That's Very Generous, But...
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #5
7. Jeffords Would Make a Fine...
... replacement for Cheney.

; )

- Dave
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #7
10. Yes,
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 09:22 AM by DemReadingDU
Jeffords would be a wise choice.

There are plenty that I don't want to see named VP!

BTW, my impatient spouse wants to know when he can expect to see the talking heads discussing on TV? We're tired of all the Kerry bashing.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #10
12. Some of My Friends and I...
... (including ykw) predict that by this time next week, the talking heads will be tut-tutting KKKarl's KKKlusterfuck - and saying that the Kerry dig was KKKarl fiddling while Rome burns.

- Dave
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #5
8. Alphabet Soup in DC: Here's One You May Not Know
"IMHO the really difficult task here is how to freeze the assets which are largely outside the United States? If you fail here, you cannot recover the massive transfer of US taxpayer dollars they extracted from a corrupt Administration."

http://www.fincen.gov/

Trust me. They not only have the tools to find it, I'm guessing they already know where it is, and are just waiting for the orders.

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #8
22. I am familiar with FiCen.gov, but have they recovered $$ outside US
.... once those funds changed hands from the wired/electronic funds recipient?

It takes international cooperation to accomplish this feat, am I not right?
And in most of these cases, the country sheltering the corrupt recipients are hesitant to cooperate since it tends to dredge up corrupt individuals in their own government --and they do not want the press coverage of that any more than our corrupt Administration was such coverage here.

THis is where it gets 'sticky' in getting back assets that belong to the American taxpayers. It can be done, but often 'below the radar' with little press coverage, and it often requires dealing with unsavory characters who demand to be 'compensated.'
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #22
30. FinCen and Its Foreign Counterparts/Partners...
... understand what has to be done, in many of these cases: http://www.fincen.gov/dgssearch/search.php?q=interpol&r=10.

Besides, do you really think Waxman or Conyers will shrink from shining a light on that aspect, too?

; )

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #30
43. No, Waxman & Conyers will shine the light and expose, but I'm not...
... optimistic that they will be able to corral the assets even though they know where they went, or were last identified.

My 'experience' with tracking funds outside the US has been once it is outside the US you have a very small chance of ever getting it back. It is always complicated by the rules that govern international commerce, and even with the cooperation of Britain and INTERPOL there are a thousand ways to make the money disappear.

Kind of like trying to pick up water spilled on the ground with your bare hands.

"Money" or "financial assets" today are merely electronic financial credits that lose their integrity the same as any fungible commodity once they enter the international financial system.

For example, if you poured an 100 lbs bag of grain into a grain elevator along with thousands of other people pouring in thousands of lbs into the same grain elevator on the same day, and you returned the next day to identify 'your 100 lbs of grain' in that elevator -- then you have a good idea how difficult it is to track electronic financial credits in the international financial system. You can determine where the grain was before you poured it into the grain elevator. You can identify that all the grain from that elevator eventually was transported out. You will have a devil of a time pointing out with certainty where "your 100 lbs of grain" went. And frankly, that is the rub.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #43
51. Fungible Commodities...
... LOL.

OK. I've got your number now!

Martin Feldstein, is that you?

; )

- Dave
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #5
16. procedurally
when a VP resigns or otherwise leaves office - the president selects a new VP.

this is what happened with Nixon-Agnew


Agnew resigned, Nixon selected Gerald Ford as new VP. When Nixon resigned, Ford took over as President and selected Nelson Rockefeller as VP.

The Ford-Rockefeller administration is the ONLY one where neither person was ELECTED. (yeah, I know bush wasn't elected back in 2000, but technically some people did vote for him)
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #16
27. Jeffords Is Gonna Have Time on His Hands...
... and I think many Dems would trust him as VP - waiting for the "other shoe" to drop.

Jeffords would make a fine (and fitting) choice to reprise the role of Gerald Ford, I think.

- Dave
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 08:30 AM
Response to Original message
2. Bechtel bailed on Iraq. Now, if only the US Govt. would. nt
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 08:32 AM
Response to Reply #2
4. Ever Looked up...
... where Bechtel's Northern Virginia offices were located?

; )

- Dave
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #4
25. Their headquarters are up 270 in Frederick. BIG building. nt
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #25
32. Under Cover of the Dulles Greenway Project...
... Bechtel had offices at 1550 Wilson Blvd. in Arlington, Virginia, along with Armitage Associates and Halliburton/KBR (where I worked).

It was a VERY common sight for the bigwigs of KBR to get off the elevator on those "other floors" where we had no official operations: http://tollroadsnews.info/artman/publish/article_239.shtml

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=dulles+greenway+bechtel+1550+wilson

Who sold the Dulles Greenway Project?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=dulles+greenway+halliburton

Congress and the states should really be policing these "public-private partnerships," as they're called. They're rife with abuse, and Halliburton has made a cottage industry out of fleecing Americans this way - with the original project, and then with the tolls, fees, etc. that are used to back up the "revenue bonds".

- Dave

P.S. The Wall Street Tentacle makes out pretty well on those deals, too.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #32
120. Isnt is amazing how so much of our corruption goes back to Dulles?
Back to the assassination of JFK, and before that time.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #120
126. By Whom You Mean?
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 02:30 AM
Response to Reply #126
178. You dismiss the Dulles involvement in the assassinations of our leaders?
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 02:32 AM by shance
More specifically JFK and RFK and MLK.

At the least there seems to be some collusion and/or conspiracy that involves the Dulles from various documentaries.

If we are wrong please explain.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #178
183. No, Not At All...
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 09:47 AM by CorpGovActivist
... I just wanted to make sure we're talking about the man, not the airport named after him.

; )

- Dave

P.S. You'd be astounded at how many Inside-the-Beltway types don't realize that "Dulles" (by which they mean the airport) is named after him. Many have no clue who he was.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:09 AM
Response to Original message
9. Leveymg, you ref one of the articles I read about 'slush fund'....
... thank you for finding one of the articles I recall reading which pointed to a 'slush fund' being operated by Halliburton outside the United States.

I do not recall where I read about the speculation that the missing ENRON assets might have ended up in or as part of the Halliburton 'slush' fund.

Your post in the other thread is instructive:

Here's reference in The Nation (06/18/04) to the H slush fund and the original
French investigation:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040705/ireland
article | posted June 18, 2004 (web only)
Dick Cheney and the $5 Million Man
Doug Ireland

The slush fund was set up with Halliburton money by a London lawyer, Jeffrey Tesler--who worked for Halliburton at the same time he was financial adviser to the notoriously corrupt late Nigerian dictator Gen. Sani Abacha--as a shell-company front called TriStar, which Tesler established in the British tax haven of Gibraltar. Stanley, the 5 Million Dollar Man, is a close friend and associate of Dick Cheney.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #9
14. yep
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 09:30 AM by stop the bleeding
leveymg is great researcher - hence is why I invited him to the party a few days back, I am still waiting for other DU scholars to make their appearances. Some are starting some others are curiously quiet.

also about the article that leveymg refernced led me to the article I posted in response #1 on this thread - was 5 hours old at the time when I found it on Google.

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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #14
17. Where are H2O Man and Octafish?
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 09:33 AM by DemReadingDU
maybe they are reading and absorbing?
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #17
47. don't know - it would be nice if they and others would
make an appearance and offer some sage thoughts on this subject
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #17
49. I'm surprised Der Fishie isn't here yet...
H2O man has been more Plame-centric, so I kinda understand him sitting out for now.

-Hoot
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #49
58. The Plamegate Connection
He may be interested in this, then (note the mention of Armitage and Plame): http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/45012/000126947606000011/shameonvirginiasenators.htm

The building at 1550 Wilson Boulevard, Arlington, Virginia, was the "Vulcan's Cockroach Nest," trust me.

- Dave
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #58
84. Interesting.
Let's fire up the wayback machine shall we?

What division of Halliburton was serving the power generation industry? Power plants, I mean.

The link to AALC and the DTRC contracts at KBR is a different direction than the one I was hoping for. I was hoping that a link to Khan, ATC and AIPAC (possibly via Dubai) would surface which would link Sibel's story into the Brewster Jennings story. I can see that these projects of KBR would benefit from dismantling BJ. I guess I'm hoping for links farther in the past to surface, but, I guess I'll have to settle for now with what's out there.

One other question along this line is whence did the dirty offshore money come? Sales to Pakistan perhaps?

-Hoot
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #58
146. 1550 Wilson Boulevard - Rosslyn
Side note from a 'search' of this Arlington address (lived in the Courthouse area once):

this building is a property of Trizec, which, also, includes the Watergate in its property portfolio - lots of interesting things have been happening at the Watergate, past and present (see: Nixon; sex/spy ring; Abramoff)
http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/nys/trz/reports/ar03/html/annual_report_2003/properties/sectors.html

with a photo of 1550: "Where the public and private sectors shape national policies and initiatives"

"The properties in Trizec’s diverse Washington, D.C.-area portfolio are located downtown, inside the
Beltway and in the suburbs of Northern Virginia and Maryland—well situated for those working in both
the public and private sectors. Our Washington-area people understand the specific requirements of
government agencies, along with those organizations that work in close proximity. We provide the right office settings and deliver the right mix of services that our customers need and deserve as they pursue the business of government."

the good ol'boy network connection:

Peter Munk, Poppy's friend and Chairman of Barrick Gold's Board of Directors ...

"Mr. Munk has served as the Chairman of our board of directors since our corporate reorganization in May 2002. Mr. Munk founded our former parent company, TrizecHahn Corporation, and from 1987 through May 2002, served as the Chairman of its board of directors. From June 1996 until January 2001, Mr. Munk also served as the Chief Executive Officer of TrizecHahn Corporation. Mr. Munk founded and is currently the Chairman of the board of directors of Barrick Gold Corporation, a gold mining company. He was also the Chief Executive Officer of Barrick Gold Corporation from its formation in 1984 until 1998. Mr. Munk has been the President and a director of P.M. Capital Inc., a private Canadian company, since its formation in 1992. Mr. Munk has also served as the Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the board of directors of Trizec Canada since its incorporation in 2002. He also served as Trizec Canada’s President from its incorporation in May 2002 until December 2004.

Poppy Bu$h spent some post-pResidency time with Barrick Gold as kick-back for the American gold mine virtually handed to Barrick during Poppy's term. Greg Palast wrote Poppy Strikes Gold quoting Clinton's Secretary of the Interior, Bruce Babbitt: the "biggest gold heist since the days of Butch Cassidy.". The Barrick deal might be what holds Sen. Reid back in his actions (i.e. a compromised politician; read Palast). Barrick has or has had international advisors in Sam Nunn and Vernon Jordan, one of Clinton's inside DC lawyer friends. Former Canadian PM, Brian Mulroney, is a director at Barrick. The Carlyle Group. Carlyle, Mulroney, Kissinger and many more are connected in some capacity with JPMorganChase. Barrick Gold is one of the client companies of Andrew Young’s Goodworks International lobbying firm. Young has, also, been an advisor to Barrick. Any gold in Africa, a focus of Goodworks?
http://www.jpmorganchase.com/ar2004/pdfs/ar2004_corp_data.pdf


Mulroney, also, sits on Trizec's Board:

"The Right Honourable Brian Mulroney. Mr. Mulroney has served as a member of our board of directors since our May 2002 corporate reorganization and served as a member of the board of directors of TrizecHahn Corporation from June 1996 until May 2002. Since August 1993, Mr. Mulroney has been a Senior Partner of Ogilvy Renault LLP, a law firm based in Montreal, Canada. From September 1984 to June 1993, Mr. Mulroney served as the Prime Minister of Canada. Mr. Mulroney serves as a member of the board of directors of Barrick Gold Corporation, Cendant Corporation, Archer-Daniels-Midland Company and Quebecor World Inc."
http://investors.trz.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=93763&p=irol-SECText&TEXT=aHR0cDovL2NjYm4uMTBrd2l6YXJkLmNvbS94bWwvZmlsaW5nLnhtbD9yZXBvPXRlbmsmaXBhZ2U9NDA4MTY5NCZkb2M9MSZudW09MTE=

small world

Palast: "How did he (sic Munk) go from busted stereo maker to demi-billionaire goldbug? The answer: Adnan Khashoggi, the Saudi arms dealer, the 'bag man' in the Iran-Contra arms-for-hostage scandals. The man who sent guns to the ayatolla teamed up with Munk on hotel ventures and, ultimately, put up the cash to buy Barrick in 1983, then a tiny company with an 'unperfected' claim on the Nevada mine."

(I'm having to put hip-high boots on now.)

another Palast snip:

"Notably, one of the first acts of the junior Bush’s Interior Department in 2001 was to indicate it would reverse Clinton administration rules requiring gold extractors to limit the size of waste dumps and to permit new mines even if they were likely to cause 'substantial, irreparable harm'. The New York Times ran a long, front-page story on this rule-relaxing windfall for Nevada gold-mining companies, but nowhere did the Times mention the name of the owner of the largest gold mine in Nevada, Barrick, nor its recent payroller, the president’s father."

with a Carlyle Group managing director on the NYTimes Board of Directors, William Kennard, they probably wouldn't mention Poppy's nor Munk's names.


The property thing is probably just a coincidence, but curious imo nonetheless.

Were they paying discounted rent?


moral of story: a foot in the good ol'boy network door brings riches, but the soul is checked at the front desk
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #146
151. your posts and links on this thread are great
thank you for bringing this information to light, I also saw the link you put to the SMW thread in the LBN(#61).



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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #151
165. Agreed...
... thanks, cosmic!

- Dave
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #146
159. Trizec Hahn's "Tenant Appreciation" Events at 1550...
... were a good time to observe the bigwigs at Halliburton/KBR - making a beeline for the other tenants' bigwigs (with whom they were on *extremely* friendly terms, from all those meetings that were constantly taking place).

Not since Deepthroat met Woodward in an underground parking garage in Rosslyn has so much happened in one location in Arlington, VA.

Those bowls of premium ice cream in the lobby of 1550 Wilson Blvd. provided many opportunities for quiet observation.

My partner and I lived within a 3-minute walk of the office. If you're ever in the area:

1. Cafe Asia, in the building, offers phenomenal fusion cuisine from the Far East.

2. Red, Hot & Blue, across the side street, has a lot of Lee Atwater memorabilia.

; )

- Dave
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #14
23. It's a Complex Story...
... trust me, I didn't "get" this stuff overnight, either.

What you're seeing now is the product of many long hours of research. My Library of Congress card is nearly worn out!

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #9
15. Jeffrey Tesler...mmmm
:popcorn:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:41 AM
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24. Step away from the Popcorn...
... and back away slowly!

LOL.

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:36 AM
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20. ???
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 10:01 AM by Buttercup McToots
missing ENRON assets might have ended up in or as part of the Halliburton 'slush' fund.
Off shore...?


http://searchwww.sec.gov/EDGARFSClient/jsp/EDGAR_MainAccess.jsp

or brought back on shore?





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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:44 AM
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28. link is bad - please update when you get a second :)
thank you in advance
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:57 AM
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33. Go Here...
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 09:58 AM by CorpGovActivist
http://searchwww.sec.gov/EDGARFSClient/jsp/EDGAR_MainAccess.jsp

Type in (in quotes): American Jobs Creation Act

That's the Orwellian name they gave the piece of legislation that effectively gave corporations amnesty to "repatriate" earnings from offshore accounts: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=american+jobs+creation+act+of+2004+repatriate

It was a windfall to corporations (indeed, it was the getaway car, if you will), passed at the same time that divorced mothers were having the bankruptcy courts barred and locked, to prevent them and their kids from getting a fresh start.

- Dave
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:44 AM
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29. Nice Little Shell Game They Ran, Huh, Buttercup?
Which shell (company) is the pea under?

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:03 AM
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37. I is
lookin` an` lookin...
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:08 AM
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40. Using That Same Search Feature at the SEC Website...
... also type in AJCA (the acronym for the American Jobs Creation Act of 2004). Some corporations used that, instead, with some overlap between the two terms, I'm sure.

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:58 AM
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34. When I first read about the ENRON/Halliburton connection, I suspected...
.... Fastow was the key ENRON player to unravel the corporate daisy-chain intended to hide ENRON's debt, but also Halliburton's use of the missing assets. Fastow has now cooperated and there is every reason to believe he has 'guided' prosecutors through the labrynth he created.

I have no doubt that US authorities know where a substantial portion of the ENRON assets went. Those forensic auditors are very good when they have an insider like Fastow to help them. How to get the money back is the problem.

If ENRON assets ended up in the Halliburton purse, it would be my best guess that the majority was NOT repatriated back to the US but rather was a cash source for funding their offshore slush fund.

One other point, the movement of ENRON assets to the Fastow created offshore entities created a need to get some kind of return on these funds, so who better to use those funds than Halliburton etal. Cross reference who benefitted, start with Cheney.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:03 AM
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36. RICO Is a Very Effective Tool...
... as are some others with a finer blade, so to speak.

RICO allows for treble damages, and lifetime bans on serving on corporate boards can be obtained under the Federal securities laws, too.

The American People are going to get the "Scooby-Doo Moment" - you know, when the villain is unmasked, the mystery is solved, but there's just one little detail that only the villain can reveal?

That will be where the money suddenly appears - hefty leniency will be meted out, in return for recovery (but only for those who play ball, methinks).

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:00 AM
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48. IF there is an Expert on ENRON here, I would like to hear their take on...
... what the current status is of the forensic accounting, and how much in actual 'funds' are missing. Not the paper profits that were created to cover the debt buried in offshore entities created by Fastow.

THis information has to be reported to the Bankruptcy Court, but last I heard it was still ongoing--and not looking good for the pensioners and shareholders, not to mention the employees.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:10 AM
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56. I have pm'd seemslikeadream she is usually full of this kind
of information. :)
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:11 AM
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57. Fraud upon the BR Court...
... tolls all pertinent statutes of limitations, as I'm sure you know.

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:15 AM
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60. People Don't Realize How Powerful Bankruptcy Courts Are....
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 11:16 AM by Blackhatjack
... they have a reach that is unequalled by any other court empowered to order and/or conduct trial proceedings. You are correct, if there is fraud perpetrated on a Bankruptcy, regardless of when it is discovered, they can reach the party without a statute of limitations problem.

It is one place you are much better off remaining silent than saying anything which is not 100% true. They send people to jail for lying without a second thought.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:18 AM
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62. I Think You're Beginning to See...
... the full array of tools available to the good guys and gals here.

; )

- Dave
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:43 AM
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26. another article - same story here
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:37 AM
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21. .
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:49 AM
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31. Link to several NYT's article on this subject
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:59 AM
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35. Oh, No, Lookout! He's Using "The Google"!!!
LOL.

- Dave
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:38 PM
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109. Hello, Dave...:) Hey, just in the last couple of threads, as well
as here and there, are links to articles hinting at the bigger picture which we are discussing in this thread. With this information that's already in the public domain, why is this not ALREADY a major scandal?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:46 PM
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111. "why is this not ALREADY a major scandal?"
The simplest answer I can give you - from my heart - is that honest and virtuous prosecutors did their job, devoid of politics.

And Senator Kerry took the high road in 2004, to keep from politicizing this story at a critical juncture in the ongoing investigations: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/CorpGovActivist/4

As I said in my letter to Senators Byrd and Rockefeller in September, Senator Kerry is to be commended for obeying his instincts as a former prosecutor, and not trying to capitalize on this story: http://www.shareholdersonline.org/pdf/092006senateinvestigationrequest.pdf

It would have resulted in mid-range fish being caught - but not the capos and dons of the BushCo. syndicate.

History will record that Senator Kerry chose to forego short-term gain, for the greater good of the Republic.

- Dave

P.S. To those who have asked what "response" I got to that letter, you may have noticed the stories emerging that - in September - the SEC bargained for an extension of time with Halliburton on these investigations. Think maybe a key Senator or two may have read the SEC the riot act?
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:02 PM
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116. Which could also explain Kerry's zeal of late in being the
Democratic bulldog, attacking and countering every smear.

"History will record that Senator Kerry chose to forego short-term gain, for the greater good of the Republic."

I have always been marginal with regard to Kerry but if what you say bears fruit, it will give me a whole new perspective on, and even more respect for, John Kerry.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:04 PM
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118. I Believe the Entire Nation...
... will be stunned to learn what John Kerry did in 2004, and the virtuous reasons why.

- Dave
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:20 PM
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128. Conceding Ohio hurt.
I felt slapped in the face.

-Hoot
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:48 PM
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132. The E-Mail I Exchanged with Mrs. Heinz-Kerry's Scheduler That Day...
From my DU Journal entry:http://journals.democraticunderground.com/CorpGovActivist/4

50. On Wednesday, November 3, I have an e-mail to Mr. Winer and to Mrs. Heinz Kerry's scheduler, which reads:

"Just a quick note to say that lots of people out here are very proud of how
the campaign was conducted, and we're very proud that Senator Kerry is
waiting for the votes to be counted in Ohio. Please don't listen to the
armchair quarterbacks who second guess how the campaign was run. You guys
did an incredible job.

Thank you for everything you did to help the Senator and his family on the
trail. I caught Vanessa Kerry on one of the news channels last night, and
she is an amazingly articulate advocate for her father.

Please don't hesitate to contact me if there is anything at all that I can
do to help, and please continue to urge the Senator to hang in there and let
the counting continue in Ohio. I took the day off from work weeks ago (Gov
Geek that I am, I knew I'd be wiped the day after the election).

Good luck, be safe, get some rest, and above all, thank you!

- Dave"

51. The reply I received from Mrs. Heinz Kerry's scheduler:

"Thank you for all of your efforts david, your spirit was always strong as we must remain. Thank you for all your correspondence. My personal email is
(redacted). And I will now be reachable there. Keep fighting the good fight. Thank you, (redacted)"
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:16 AM
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41. OK, one article mentions "Swiss Bank Accounts", however....
... it would not be surprising to learn that the "Swiss Bank Accounts" disclosure is meant to be a diversion.

Ever since the Nazi funding disclosures resulted in the breach of confidentiality that Swiss Bank Accounts always touted, most disreputable entities no longer consider them a first line repository for their ill-gotten funds. There are plenty of other sources which have stepped in fulfill that role.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #41
42. Back-Channel Banking
... which FinCen is "onto," trust me.

: )

- Dave
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:03 AM
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38. this link has that TSKJ that Larissa from Rawstory mentioned in the last thread
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 10:04 AM by stop the bleeding
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:AbbEwIBWv6YJ:www.nigerianmuse.com/spotlight/%3Fu%3DHalliburton_names.htm+cheney,+stanley,+nigeria,+tesler,+ENRON&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10

In court documents submitted to a French corruption investigation, Halliburton has admitted it paid $132m to Jeffrey Tesler, a UK lawyer. Mr Tesler's firm, Kaye Tesler, is based on a run down high street in Tottenham, north London.

Mr Tesler would not return calls but his French solicitor admits Mr Tesler received the money, which he said was for advisory and other legitimate fees.

The construction of the Nigerian plant was carried out by a consortium called TSKJ, made up of Technip of France, Snamprogetti of Italy, Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root and the Japan Gas Corporation. After an internal investigation, Halliburton submitted notes of meetings to the French judge showing that Mr Tesler was reappointed by the consortium in 1999 at Halliburton's insistence.

Richard Northmore, a sales manager for MW Kellogg, a Halliburton subsidiary based in Greenford, Middlesex, signed contracts with Mr Tesler for the consortium, according to testimony seen by The Independent on Sunday. Syed Nasser, MW Kellogg's legal director, also acted as counsel to the TSKJ consortium, approving Mr Tesler's role. Bhaskar Patel, a sales and marketing vice-president who works in the Leatherhead office of Kellogg Brown & Root, also worked with Mr Tesler. Mr Northmore and Mr Nasser referred inquiries to Halliburton in the US. Mr Patel, who is understood to be an Africa expert, did not return calls.



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lala's post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2536384&mesg_id=2547887

First thank you for your courage. Second, I am so focused on another topic right now, that I cannot seem to process anything else. Perhaps you mentioned this elsewhere, but is this the bribe scandal involving Nigeria and several EU countries as well as one Japanese country? I know Cheney is now being looked at in France for bribery charges in Nigeria. But i think this was before you joined them.


Dave's response

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2536384&mesg_id=2548725

The "consortium" that comprised TSKJ was made up of: "Technip, Kellog, Snamprogetti and Japanese gas corporation (TSKJ)."

Kellogg = Kellogg, Brown & Root, a.k.a. Halliburton/KBR

"I know Cheney is now being looked at in France for bribery charges in Nigeria."

That French judge is "onto them," let me tell ya!

"But i think this was before you joined them."

The bribes? Yes.

The coverup? No.

- Dave

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:06 AM
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39. AAARGH!
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:38 AM
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44. UK PRESS:Co Tied To Ex-Treasury Secretary Snow Bids For US Army Deal
Hi Dave, any thoughts on this news article

18:42 EST Wednesday, November 01, 2006

DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

A little-known contractor whose hedge-fund parent recently named former U.S. Treasury Secretary John Snow as its chairman is leading a strong charge for a multi-billion dollar military contract now held by Halliburton Co. (HAL), the Financial Times reported on its Web site Wednesday.

Cerberus Capital Management LP unit IAP Worldwide Services is making what's been described as a serious bid to win a large portion of a huge defense contract to provide logistical support to U.S. troops in the field. Winning this bid would transform IAP into one of the most powerful and politically connected companies in the booming industry of providing support to the U.S. army.

Along with Snow, Cerberus also employs former Vice President Dan Quayle as chairman of its international business, the FT reported.

Amid allegations that Halliburton had wasted hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars on its contracts to provide support in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. army decided this summer to strip the Texas oil-services company of its exclusive hold over the omnibus contract. The contract, known as Logcap and estimated to have cost the U.S. government $7 billion last year, is widely seen as being too large to be handled by a single company, according to the FT.

Halliburton is now the biggest contractor in Iraq.

The army is expected to select three companies this year to compete for future Logcap task orders, and a fourth to monitor the others, the FT reported.

Newspaper Web site: http://www.ft.com


(END) Dow Jones Newswires
11-01-06 1840ET
Copyright (c) 2006 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.

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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:40 AM
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45. Halliburton Ex-CFO Paid $20,000/Mo For 'De Minimis' Work
This HAL news just out:

10:31 EST Thursday, November 02, 2006

WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- Halliburton Co. (HAL) began paying a former chief financial officer $20,000 a month after he left the company in 2002 for what he has described as a minimal amount of work, according to testimony he provided in fighting a federal lawsuit.

Gary Morris, who was chief financial officer from 1997 through 2001, testified in February that he is paid $20,000 each month for "a de minimis amount of hours" of consulting work, a recently available transcript of his deposition in a Securities and Exchange Commission lawsuit shows. He said the work involves " phone calls and questions" on matters such as incentive plans.

The contract wasn't previously disclosed, and Halliburton won't say whether the payments are continuing. Even so, the testimony raises questions given that Halliburton has in the past said that pay for executives should be linked to performance.

"The first question I'd ask if I was a stockholder of the company is what benefit am I getting from his continued consultancy and why isn't the current officer able to answer the types of inquiries that are being put to him?" said Paul Hodgson, senior research associate with research firm The Corporate Library.

New SEC rules will soon force consulting agreements with former executives into the spotlight, although the rule may not apply to all such arrangements, especially those struck years earlier. The regulations require companies to provide more details about executive pay, including post-employment benefits such as consulting contracts with the former chief executive, chief financial officer, or the other three mostly highly paid officers.

"The primary purpose of this new requirement is to allow shareholders to gain insight into how companies are spending their money," said Broc Romanek, a former SEC attorney who edits TheCorporateCounsel.net, a corporate governance Web site. "As there clearly is no connection between pay and performance when a fired executive continues to receive a paycheck, investors are madder over these types of consulting arrangements and other severance payments compared to any other area of compensation."

Melissa Norcross, a Halliburton spokeswoman, declined to comment on the terms of Morris's consulting contract. In a statement, she said that "Mr. Morris left the company in mid 2002, and we do not believe there are disclosure requirements regarding any consulting work he may currently be performing."

Timothy McCormick, an attorney for Morris, said in an email last week that he was out of the country and would return this week. He hasn't been able to provide a response. A phone call to a number for a Gary Morris in Houston wasn't returned. Morris testified in February that the contract was month to month and could be terminated by Halliburton at any time.

The SEC sued Morris in August 2004, alleging that he was negligent in has handling of a 1998 accounting change that made earnings at Halliburton look much better than they otherwise would have.

The SEC found that Halliburton should have told investors about the accounting change, which allowed Halliburton to book revenue from cost overruns on construction projects before customers had formally agreed to pay for the overruns. Previously, Halliburton had used a more conservative approach, booking revenue from cost overruns only when it had resolved the so-called unapproved claims with customers, the SEC said. The SEC said the accounting change helped lift Halliburton's 1998 pre-tax income alone by $87.9 million, or 46%.

In court filings, Morris has indicated that he talked with a number of people, including current Chief Executive David Lesar, who at the time was Halliburton's president, and Dick Cheney, who was Halliburton's CEO before he became U.S. Vice President, about the accrual of revenue stemming from unapproved claims, and that no one pushed for disclosure.

It's not clear how much detail Morris shared with Cheney or with Lesar, who once served as Halliburton's chief financial officer. Lesar asked Morris to leave the company in March 2002, Morris said. "He never told me exactly why," Morris testified. "I felt betrayed."

Megan McGinn, a spokeswoman for Cheney, declined to comment. The SEC never charged Cheney or Lesar with wrongdoing. Earlier this year, Phil Offill, a lawyer for Lesar, was asked about Morris's claims that Lesar had been told about the accounting for cost overruns. He said that the SEC "conducted an exhaustive investigation, and we are confident that it intends to stand on the sufficiency of its record. Other than that, we have no comment with respect to the arguments contained in Mr. Morris's brief."

A federal judge has already thrown out a separate SEC charge that Morris aided and abetted Halliburton's violation of securities laws. Should the SEC and Morris fail to reach a settlement, a trial may occur sometime next year.

-By Siobhan Hughes, Dow Jones Newswires; 202-862-6654; Siobhan.Hughes@ dowjones.com


(END) Dow Jones Newswires
11-02-06 1031ET
Copyright (c) 2006 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.

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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #45
46. Me thinks the fuse is lit and burnin` ...
it's gonna blow soon...:-)
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #46
55. It Was Lit...
... months ago. It really, honestly, truly was.

- Dave
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #45
53. Yeah, the Brits Have a Term for That Sort of Thing...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardening_leave

Some American companies have picked it up, and adapted it to keep "in the know" execs on a short leash.

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:10 AM
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54. Key Paragraph .... Sounds Just Like ENRON's SKilling Scheme
"The SEC found that Halliburton should have told investors about the accounting change, which allowed Halliburton to book revenue from cost overruns on construction projects before customers had formally agreed to pay for the overruns. Previously, Halliburton had used a more conservative approach, booking revenue from cost overruns only when it had resolved the so-called unapproved claims with customers, the SEC said. The SEC said the accounting change helped lift Halliburton's 1998 pre-tax income alone by $87.9 million, or 46%."

I wonder if Jeffery Skilling helped them set that up, or did they just steal the idea from him.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:15 AM
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59. Halliburton: House of Cards...
... start asking questions about their ability to get "bonded" for bids.

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #59
63. So is their inability to arrange "bonding" connected with ...
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 11:20 AM by Blackhatjack
...their inability to maintain their monopolistic contract with the US Govt? and the need to bring in other groups to bid on those projects?(LOGCAP Contracts)
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:22 AM
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64. Their Bonding Woes...
... pertained largely to the financial services industry's understanding of the true depth, scope, breadth, and nature of their balance sheet.

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:34 AM
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68. So Once Again.... Where Did the $$$$ Go???
No other company received the like of No-Bid Government Contract Billions like Halliburton has since 2003. How can they not have a fantastic balance sheet funded to the hilt --unless, certain individuals in Halliburton have siphoned off the funds.

Where could the $$$ be if the financial services industry has doubts about their balance sheet?

Or is it a tacit acknowledgment of future disgorgement that Halliburton will be put through in the near future? and their being barred from bidding on future government contracts that has them spooked?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:43 AM
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70. It Has Been...
... prudent "risk management" by those bonding entities.

BTW, the no-bid contracts are easily explained. Start with the very first SEC filing I made (reverse chronological order on this page), and work your way through: http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=smith+david+allen&CIK=&filenum=&State=&SIC=&owner=include&action=getcompany

1. By the late 90's, BushCo. intended to run Shrubya in 00.

2. The Dresser asbestos / mesothelioma liability was about to break out into the mainstream consciousness in the late 90s.

3. That story - and Prescott Bush's involvement therein (not to mention Poppy Bush, too) - was considered to be a "real risk" to Shrubya's coronation as the GOP nominee.

4. So, the BushCo. "Board of Directors" had a meeting, at which it was decided that:

A. Cheney would deliberatly buy Dresser (using Halliburton owners' equity, a.k.a. OPM, or Other People's Money), to bail out Dresser, and forestall the asbestos issue until after 2000.

B. Halliburton would hold the Dresser acquisition "separate on paper," to use the bankruptcy courts to discharge most of the liability incurred on Prescott's watch.

C. Once everyone was distracted, KBR (the unit most associated with the old Dresser liability) would be spun off.

The Feds were just waiting for the second step of this Texas Two-Step. When BakerBotts filed the first registration statement to spin off KBR back in mid-April (http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=kbr&CIK=&filenum=&State=&SIC=&owner=include&action=getcompany), the Feds were already "onto them," based in large part on the assistance of Halliburton/KBR insiders and whistleblowers who secretly passed information on to career investigators and prosecutors (not to mention key lawmakers on The Hill).

James Addison Baker, III has clearly lost his touch.

- Dave
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #70
71. I'd guess Cheney was made VP
as payment for Halliburton acquirng Dresser Industries and dealing with the asbestos lawsuits so Bush could run & win in 2000.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #71
74. Cheney Is Truly...
... the BushCo. Regent in the EOP (The Madness of King George):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Regent

- Dave
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #54
69. Tons of companies were cooking their books back then.
Cook the books, inflate the price per share and insiders unload stock.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #45
88. By an Interesting "Coincidence"
"From: "Hughes, Siobhan" <Siobhan.Hughes@dowjones.com>
Date: Tue, October 24, 2006 7:53 am
To: <editor@HALwhistleblowers.org>

Dear Mr. Smith –

This is a request to be included in your e-mail distribution list. Thank you very much!



Siobhan Hughes
SEC Reporter
Dow Jones Newswires
1025 Connecticut Ave NW
Suite 800
Washington DC 20036
202-862-6654
siobhan.hughes@dowjones.com"
**************************************************************************

"Subject: RE: HALwhistleblowers Request
From: "Hughes, Siobhan" <Siobhan.Hughes@dowjones.com>
Date: Tue, October 24, 2006 8:12 am
To: <editor@halwhistleblowers.org>

David –

Thanks so much for the quick response. I would be happy to meet you. Perhaps I can give you a call this week?

--Siobhan"
**************************************************************************

; )

- Dave
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #88
96. well - that is from the 24th
did you all meet?

hence why the news came out this mourning on the dowjones.com news site?

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #96
97. That Is a Great Example...
... of how stories take time to develop.

Relationships get established, facts get checked, and then the groundwork stories begin - with follow-ups to come.

- Dave
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #97
98. me is interested in this part of your post
with follow-ups to come
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #98
100. What the True Journalists Have Seen...
... they cannot now unsee.

What they have learned, they cannot unlearn.

Those with journalism in their DNA will not let go of this now.

: )

- Dave
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #100
103. question is how many "true" journo's are still left and a better question
is how many of them have seen the light of this story.

come on where are the Schusters of the world????


how many "interviews" have you given lately??

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #103
105. I Think That One of the Unsung Heroes of Our Time...
... is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee.

Because - in one fell swoop - he gave us all the tools to be latter-day Benjamin Franklins, i.e., citizen printers.

Already, we're seeing true journalists with old-fashioned sensibilities embracing this medium. Is it slower in many cases than I personally would like? Yes. Is it happening though? Yes.

And for the Woodward Wannabes - the gotcha goonsquad - the Internet has begun to ferret them out. Sources who are unfairly quoted can self-publish, and catch these "journalists" mid-twist of the truth.

: )

Tim Berners-Lee belongs in the same breath with Johannes Gutenberg.

- Dave
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #105
113. Something to talk about of that drink someday.
I think he was in the right place at the right time with ideas that a bunch of us were kicking around. The company I was at at the time had some kick ass hypertext tech but we didn't have anyone in the executive corps who had enough vision to see what they had.

His brilliant stroke was while we were wondering where is the bandwidth gonna come from, he was able to use public funding to produce an open standard and an implementation of it to publish scientific documents. They already had a public robust tool development effort at NCSA.

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #113
115. He Is a Classic Example of What Sir Isaac Newton Said...
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 03:53 PM by CorpGovActivist
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #115
124. That is a good one. n/t
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #124
127. It Is, to My Mind, the Quintessential Quote about the Nature of...
... Knowledge.

We are all each other's teachers.

- Dave
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #103
107. That Said, Some "Journalists" Today Are Hacks...
... to be dang sure!

One of these days, I'm going to get around to writing a small pamphlet entitled: "How to Cultivate a Source in Southern Soil," because some of these "journalists" just don't get it!

LOL.

- Dave
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #88
154. Found my way to the elusive thread 88 HaHa
Let me guess Dave, you for the source for that article by Siobhan Hughes that I posted this morning? Or for a future article?

Look what I found; now I know what kind of emails you were getting.

<snip> The emails, he said, focused on how the Houston oil-field services conglomerate would defend itself against a federal review of bribery and corruption charges connected to Halliburton's natural gas operations in Nigeria. <snip>

http://www.easybourse.com/Website/dynamic/News.php?NewsID=61208&lang=fra&NewsRubrique=2
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #154
167. Just Remember What Harry S. Truman Said...
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #44
50. The New Boss, Same As The Old Boss .... Look at who is involved
Snow.... Quayle.... and they are stepping into the Halliburton breach?

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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #50
67. Look what I found at Senator Waxman's website. HaHa
New Contracts to Replace Halliburton Troop Support Contract
Wednesday, July 05, 2006 -- Rep. Waxman reveals that the Defense Department is moving to terminate Halliburton’s LOGCAP troop support contract and raises questions about aspects of the Department’s plans that fail to maximize competition and create potential for serious conflicts of interest.

http://www.democrats.reform.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1075&Issue=Iraq+Reconstruction

This is why HAL is IPOing KBR before KBR get's striped of troop support contracts. And Snow is now steppin' up to the trough.

HaHa

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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #50
148. Cerebus info
fyi/fwiw

post 61 re connections ... add former Treasury Secretary John Snow

Cerebus, Dan Quayle, and Congressman Jerry Lewis
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2588122#2589263
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #148
162. Onex Hedge Fund Another One to Monitor Closely
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:17 AM
Response to Reply #162
180. I found this facinating...The Power 25
The Power 25....from a Canadian site...
A lot of people are in the same club...

https://secure.globeadvisor.com/servlet/ArticleNews/story/gam/20051028/RO11TOP25

I was following Onex Hedge Fund and Anthony Munk...he serves on Barrick Gold as well.
I have gold stocks (not Barrick)and have been really ticked since late spring at the preformance of it.
It would do good in overnight, the come morning in NY and BAM!
Anyways...

From last year:

I'll snip some:
Denise Balkissoon, Patricia Best, Steve Brearton, Patrick Brethour, Derek DeCloet, Leanne Delap, John DeMont, Jim Doak, Dave Ebner, John Lorinc, Brian Milner, Eric Reguly, Doug Steiner, Sinclair Stewart, Jim Sutherland, Andrew Willis, Konrad Yakabuski



How to rank the power of the titans of Canadian business? Not just by the money they've made for themselves and others (though that does help). To really break out of the pack, you need influence, the ability to get your way with governments, the public, partners and peers. And it's about respect; power players have earned the ear of the business world. Holding sway beyond the purely economic sphere--in political and charitable fundraising, for instance--is icing on the cake.

25

Eliot Spitzer Attorney-General, New York State, New York City Okay, he's not Canadian. And he couldn't care less about us, since we can't vote him into the governor's chair. But Eliot Spitzer has had a greater impact on financial regulation in Canada than our plethora of provincial securities watchdogs have--combined. Spitzer, the "Sheriff of Wall Street," initiated the unprecedented shakedown of the mutual fund industry, exposing corrupt trading practices.

He then pursued hedge funds and insurers with the same fervour. Reputations were hurt; billions of dollars in fines were handed out; high-ranking executives were fired and, in some cases, went to jail. Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce and MFS, the Boston mutual fund arm of Sun Life Financial, were among his direct casualties, but the spillover effect has been more far-reaching. Goaded into action by Spitzer, the Ontario Securities Commission finally launched its own probe into shady trading practices, eventually reaching settlements with five of Canada's largest fund companies.

23

Manos Vourkoutiotis President, Amaranth Advisors (Canada) ULC, Toronto (sound familar?)

Private equity firms are increasingly seen as tough-and-tall funders for entrepreneurs and managers who want risk partners to expand their businesses, or as a source of smart capital for those shrewd enough to eye a bigger competitor worth swallowing. The business is populated by some very potent, and very low-profile, investing wizards. The exemplar is Manos Vourkoutiotis. He is the Canadian face of investing giant Amaranth Advisors, one of a handful of megasized investment funds based in Greenwich, Connecticut. Amaranth, with more than $7 billion (U.S.) under management, has more than $21 billion (U.S.) in investment positions globally (banks lend them the rest of the money). They are tight-lipped about how much is invested in Canada, but it's certainly piles, since Vourkoutiotis routinely commits over $100 million to a single trade. The modus: Make money for clients in everything from distressed debt (Amaranth is rumoured to be the largest player in Bombardier debt), to cajoling management to restructure (the fund is the largest single investor in Cinram). Whatever works: You won't hear him, but Vourkoutiotis is right in the thick of it.

7

Gerry Schwartz CEO, Onex Corp., Toronto

Gerald Schwartz's power comes from his pocketbook. No executive in Canada has as much money and willingness to reshape entire industries, and no one is as frequently cited as a potential white knight in hostile takeover deals. The measure of his impact is probably best told not by his successes, but by his most famous failure, his 1999 plan to buy and merge Air Canada and nearly bankrupt Canadian Airlines. A Quebec judge foiled his audacious bid to rewrite the future of domestic air travel, but few others would have even been allowed to try--especially if they lacked Schwartz's credentials as a prolific Liberal fundraiser. Most of Schwartz's deals are not so political, and are far more successful; his preference for friendly acquisitions has helped Onex amass a group of companies that, on paper, dwarf even the major banks, with 110,000 employees and $17 billion in revenue. Notable components are the Cineplex movie chain and Celestica, the huge electronics manufacturer. With those holdings to the family name, Schwartz and wife Heather Reisman feel perfectly at ease with people more famous than they are--Nelson Mandela, Bill Clinton and Michael Douglas, to name a few.

The Enablers

Eisenhower had Patton; Chrétien had Goldenberg; Gates has Ballmer. A few steps behind the mighty are those all-knowing (occasionally ego-impoverished) figures who bring the deals together, sweat the details and do the heavy lifting required to make it all work smoothly. Once in a while, some of these operatives (think David Radler, Myron Gottlieb, Jeffrey Skilling) have been forced to fall on their corporate swords when their patrons went up in flames. The ones who make it are content to live with vicarious glory.

Nadir Mohamed Fast-tracking his way to the top of the Rogers empire, Mohamed was named president, chief operating officer and director of Rogers Communications Inc. after pulling off coups like the $1.4-billion acquisition of Microcell--the latest in a string of recent mega-deals designed to consolidate Rogers's control. The hard-driving phone industry veteran is said to be the "medium" between Ted and the operating divisions.

Nigel Wright A former speechwriter for Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, Wright--trained as a lawyer--is the first-among-equals of Onex's coterie of mute managing directors, and is considered to be a strong contender to replace Schwartz upon his retirement. Has spent much of the last year doing the dirty work of staring down the unions at Boeing's Midwest assembly plants, which Onex snapped up in 2005 for $1.5 billion (U.S.).

really interesting...

now I forgot where I was, damn it...
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #180
184. Glad You Jumped on That...
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 09:52 AM by CorpGovActivist
... I had the (misfortune?)* to cross the brother-in-law of Onex's Anthony Munks in college.

More on that later.

- Dave

* Sometimes, what seems like misfortune at the time, can turn out to have had a purpose later on.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #44
52. Hedge Fund Tentacle...
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 11:08 AM by CorpGovActivist
... this is yet another tentacle - and the lack of registration / regulation here is "on purpose," from the BushCo. perspective.

- Dave
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:17 AM
Response to Original message
61. Audio of Me from April...
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:27 AM
Response to Original message
65. Know Anything About This Mr. Smith??? .... Link
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #65
66. Nah, False Alarm...
... besides, I'd welcome the "discovery tools" available to a criminal defendant. I know what I'm looking for, after all.

; )

- Dave
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #66
78. Yea, that was my bad...I'm just wound up...and it's YOUR fault
David! :)

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #78
80. LOL ... Switch to Decaf!
... which is sort of like non-alcoholic beer.

What's the point?

; )

- Dave
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:59 AM
Response to Original message
72. HELP! Who Posted the Siobhan Hughes Story?
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 11:59 AM by CorpGovActivist
Can you help me find that sub-thread?

Thanks!

I promise it's worth it.

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #72
75. Know what makes me nervous?


When a legislature assembles between election day and the day that new legislators assume office, the meeting is called a lame-duck session. On the federal level, under the Twentieth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, the Senate and the House of Representatives must convene on January 3 each year. Incoming legislators assume office that day, and outgoing legislators leave office that day. Thus, from the day after election day in November until late December, retiring and defeated legislators have time to pass more legislation.

Legislatures do not have to conduct lame-duck sessions. In fact, if many of their members will be new in the next legislative session, the idea of their defeated lawmakers voting on legislation may be criticized by the public— especially by those who voted for the incoming legislators. The issue of whether to conduct a session between mid-November and early January is usually decided by a vote of the legislators in office during the last session before the election. The legislature may elect to reconvene on a certain date, to adjourn at the call of the chair of either house or both houses, or to adjourn sine die (without planning a day to reconvene). Also, a lame-duck president or governor has the power to call a lame-duck session.

Lame-duck sessions may be called to pass emergency legislation for the immediate benefit or protection of the public during November or December. They also may be conducted for political purposes. For example, if a certain party stands to lose the presidency or governorship and seats in the new legislature, that party may seek to push through a few last pieces of legislation. Thus, lame-duck sessions can spawn hastily written legislation, and the finished product may be of dubious quality.

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #75
77. Here Is Where the Democratic Senators...
... must draw the line in the sand, regardless of the outcome on Tuesday.

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #77
82. What can be done...
???
Pardons can be given out even in an ongoing investigation, right?
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #82
85. Found this...
http://www.hillnews.com/news/012704/waxman.aspx

Waxman testing 7-member rule for access to lobbying files
By Klaus Marre

House Democrats are testing the seldom-used seven-member rule to get information about lobbyists’ influence on the Bush administration’s health and energy policy.

The tactic sets the stage for a showdown and the first-ever test of a court ruling on the statute.

Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) and other members of the House Government Reform Committee have demanded to see all communications between Bush administration officials and industry lobbyists or other interest groups about the energy bill that fell apart in the Senate last fall.

The committee Democrats have also asked the Department of Health and Human Services for similar information.
The requests could be the first test of the seven-member rule (5 USC Section 2954) since it was upheld by a federal court in 2002. The rule compels the executive branch to hand over information if seven or more members of the committee request it. The rule was drafted when the committee was half its current size, and a request by seven members would have meant near unanimity on the minority side.

“We are taking this unusual step because the administration’s obsession with secrecy has shut down the flow of information to Congress,” said Waxman, ranking member on the committee, who is spearheading the effort.

Okay...Rep. Waxman has it all under control...
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #82
86. Senate Dems...
... can filibuster any lame-duck legislation.

- Dave
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #72
90. Do you mean upthread post 45? n/t
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #90
93. Yes, Now See Upthread #88...
... and draw your own conclusions.

: )

- Dave
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #93
95. Ok, good. Looking forward to something from her.
What about upthread #84? Any comment? Am I phishing to far afield?

-Hoot
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #95
99. Well...
"What about upthread #84? Any comment? Am I phishing to far afield?"

... for what I can see breaking in the next few days, yes. In terms of the overall eventual investigation? Nope. You're just ahead of the curve by a bit on that angle.

: )

- Dave
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #99
108. Bummer...
"In terms of the overall eventual investigation? Nope."

That is one of the more serious crimes involved here. I was hoping that slush account was seeded with profits from that activity, of which I haven't seen proof, but none the less am convinced occured. My hope is the money trail will uncover the proof.

If you can convince a jury that any foriegn nation is a potential advesary in war, then a charge of treason might be attainable.

Oh to see "BJ exposed to benefit the Dick" on the A-1 page of the Post. I doubt I ever will though.

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #108
112. LOL...Try the NY Post...
... for headlines like that.

All in good time, friend. Prosecutions turn up great info, once leniency deals start being meted out.

: )

- Dave
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:59 AM
Response to Original message
73. so has Stanley spilled his guts before the SEC yet?
sorry if this has been answered but I recall you stating earlier that Stanley was key to this

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:pI3CIEZm17gJ:www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/04/national/main633850.shtml+halliburton,+cheney,+stanley,+SEC&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1



from bottom part of article....

The probe into the Nigerian contract came to light in mid-June. Shortly after that, the company announced consultant A. Jack Stanley, who retired in December 2003 as chairman of subsidiary KBR, formerly known as Kellogg, Brown & Root, was fired for receiving "improper personal benefits." The company also fired a consultant identified only as a former employee of M.W. Kellogg Ltd., a joint venture in which KBR has a 55 percent interest.

Federal investigators are now looking at whether Stanley may have received payments in connection with bidding practices on certain unspecified foreign projects, the company said Tuesday. Stanley has received a subpoena from the SEC.

Halliburton also said the Department of Justice's investigation involves parties other than Kellogg Brown & Root and M.W. Kellogg, Ltd. and covers "an extended period of time," dating back to "significantly before" 1998.

"Our investigation of these matters is too preliminary to determine any impact they may have on us," the company said.

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. Jack Stanley Got Very, Very, Very ...
... sloppy in how he ran KBR, given what was at stake.

Whether or not he spilled his guts *on purpose* may be irrelevant.

In vino, veritas.

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #76
79. This is getting better and better...
Bloody bastards...
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #79
81. It's an Old Tale...
... Buttercup.

"All tyrannies crumble."

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #81
83. Yes
that is very true, but the cost...
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #83
87. The Cost, You Say? Jefferson Knew It...
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 02:00 PM
Response to Original message
89. De'il a fear...
up up...hen...
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #89
91. I tried
tae get Mr. McToots tae write a protest song...he says that he will try...
But the only other protest song that he has written is this
http://www.broadjam.com/transmit/transmit.asp?txygnbz=4811&chkldsxv1=81205&yhgbndsq=1

He was back home last year and on the Royal Mile and he got pissed...!
Needless tae say...BBC radio will not play it...Oh well...
Fer a wee light relief...

up up...
The Hardy Boys must be havin` lunch...
I got my place held here...:beer:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #91
94. That Looks a Wee Bit...
... stout!

Just the way I like it!

: )

- Dave
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G_Leo_Criley Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #91
123. great stuff!
Mr. McToots has a truly wonderful sound!

glc
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #123
133. Aye, He Does, Doesn't ...
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #133
138. Aye
Here on the East Coast...
Mr McToots gets a silly smile on his face when there...
Sez it feels like hame...
If ever ye get the chance, get to the Tattoo during Auld Reekie
Festival. Tis just grand...no...magnificent...
We where back there 2 years ago...
Deacon Brodie's pub has the best black & tans...yummy.

Thankye G_Leo_Criley, and pleased tae meetcha
:)
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G_Leo_Criley Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #138
153. likewise....
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 06:37 PM by G_Leo_Criley
Pleased t' meet ya too, Mrs. McToots! :-)

glc
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #89
92. Buttercup...
... didja see #88 in this thread?

; )

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #92
101. Aye
eternal vigilance is the price of liberty

I am ready tae fight the fight, I always have been ready...
The cost that I meant was tae the people these scoundrels cheated and stole from...

But...now those people have Mr. Smith, who went to Washington...
Perhaps Mr.McToots can work around that title, eh ;)
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #101
102. Groan...
... oh, please don't. You'll get Ides started.

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #102
104. Bwaaahaaa
:rofl:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #104
106. Oh, You Think It's Funny?
Do you?

I'm sure he'll say "great minds think alike," or some such. But it's more like "demented minds" if you ask me.

; )

- Dave
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:43 PM
Response to Original message
110. Dresser Industries spinoff--workers screwed on pensions
http://edworkforce.house.gov/democrats/releases/rel101504.html

Was there more to this story?

Cheney gets his golden parachute -- workers get screwed.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #110
114. There Was Much More to That Story, Including...
... the information contained here - for which I owe the brave Dresser Retirees a great debt: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/45012/000126947606000013/elaineandeugeneweremia.htm

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #114
117. David
I just heard that Andy Card is going to be on Tweety's show at 5...
Chris Mathews...
"I thought he had retired." she said in an innocent voice, as her eyes rolled back in her head...
mmmmmmmmmmm
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #117
119. Andy Card Should Be Practicing...
... his deposition technique, not giving on-camera interviews that can be used in court later.

Remember what my grandfather said: "Give an idiot enough rope, and he'll hang himself with it."

Let him go on air all he likes now. It'll make the job so much easier later.

- Dave
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #117
121. ooohhh - I will be catching the 7pm edition
sqeal like a pig Andy - squeal piggy
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #117
125. Hey Dave, here is an idea! .....
... slip Tweety a good question to ask Card, but don't explain to Tweety why, just tell him to watch Card's expression when he asks it.

It could be anything that is connected to this scandal. His answer could be priceless as he tries to comprehend why Tweety is asking this question.

Tweety has been trying to get back into the real journalism club lately, he just might go for it.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #125
129. what question and can it be done??? n/t
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #129
136. I'd Rather See This Done...
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #125
134. LOL...There Should Be a DUers' Glossary...
... I confess:

1. I had to look up what the hell a "freeper" was.

2. I don't have a clue who "Tweety" is.

Can the DU Admins please add a glossary of terms section?

LOL.

You long-time DUers "talk funny" - and I say that having grown up in Southern West Virginia!

- Dave
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #134
142. Tweety would be Russert.
Note he favors Tweety Bird.

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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #142
143. Stoopud Hoot!
Belay that last, Mathews, not Russert.
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #143
173. Someone on Matthew's staff started it -
Said he had a big yellow head like Tweety Bird.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #173
185. I Love the SNL Spoofs...
... I wonder why they haven't picked up on that (especially before Tina Fey left)?

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #142
145. Russert looks like Hoot
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 05:32 PM by Buttercup McToots
(not you Hoot...a hoot owl) and Liberman looks like Deputy Dawg
:rofl:

sorry
couldn't help myself...
Liberman is ahead...I'm depressed and tryin` tae cheer myself up...
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #134
150. there is a glossary
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #150
164. Thanks for Both...
... the glossary, and the cartoon!

: )

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #114
122. So Do You Write Your Own Material? Or Does Ides Help? LOL
There are some real zingers in this Oct 05 2006 doc:

Halliburton Shareholder: Dresser Dirty Dealings Instructive for KBR Spin-Off;
Smith to File Suit Against Halliburton Directors and Officers

I can imagine that the Halliburton Board of Directors and Officers have your picture on the wall with a bullseye over it.

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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #122
131. There is an ore-rich vein
Right here, lots O nuggets there.

-Hoot
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #131
139. Deep Waters and Rich Ore in Wild, Wonderful, West Virginia...
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=david+smith+alexandria+and+they+do+run+deep&num=10&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=wwhsalumni.org&as_rights=&safe=images

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CampSAGA_Alumni/

It comes from being "porch people," I think. Some of my fondest memories growing up come from summers spent on my grandparents' working farm.

Up early. Big breakfast. Hard work before the mist burned off the mountains. Stop when the sun broke through. Afternoons on the porch with my grandparents (snapping green beans and listening to the Yankess on the radio - they only got one TV station, poorly). My grandparents were incredible oral historians.

- Dave
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #122
137. I Write My Own Material...
... though like any writer, I beg, borrow, and steal from a wide variety of sources, including my more soused friends!

; )

- Dave
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #114
130. just got done reading - parts that stick out for me...
The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed Judge Hughes' decision, and the revised appellate decision, dated September 21, 2006, is available on the Appeals Court's website. Smith notes that he has obtained electronic copies of some of the case materials, and can provide them, free of charge, to any Halliburton shareholder who makes an unsolicited request to receive them electronically.



~snip~

"So, where was the Labor Secretary, Elaine Chao? Did she file an amicus brief in the Graves litigation? I would think that a Cabinet Secretary would want to uphold the applause-riddled message of the President she serves. Secretary Chao is the second wife of Senator Addison Mitchell McConnell, Jr. of Kentucky, the Chairman of the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies in 2000 and the current Senate Majority Whip - the second highest-ranking leader of the current Senate majority. Surely she was in a position to intervene in favor of the Dresser retirees?"

Smith continues: "And where was Eugene Scalia, the Solicitor of the Labor Department - the Department's top lawyer? I would think that the son of a sitting Supreme Court Justice would understand the importance of keeping the trial courts' dockets unclogged, so that the Appeals Courts can focus their attention on matters where a genuine issue of unresolved law exists. Here, Halliburton sued the Dresser retirees, not the other way around. We hear much tut-tutting about tort reform from certain pseudo-philosophical circles, but nary a peep out of this Administration for Halliburton's frivolous lawsuit to escape its cut-and-dry obligations to Dresser retirees."

Eugene Scalia is the son of Supreme Court Associate Justice Antonin Scalia. He departed the Labor Department in March 2003, to rejoin his partners at Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, according to that law firm's website.

Smith adds: "Secretary Chao and Solicitor Scalia charged headlong into the Enron retirees' case. So where were they in the Dresser retirees' case? Did Halliburton get a pass from the Labor Department because the Merger Agreement was executed on Dick Cheney's watch as CEO?"

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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #130
156. LOL...Why's That?
What stuck out?

; )

That I calls it like I sees it?

- Dave
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #110
152. Dresser has such history
Poppy worked for Dresser, subsidiary of Brown Brothers Harriman, where his father had sat on the Board of Directors for 22 years.

Ties to the Ohio Tafts through H.Neil Mallon, a close friend of Prescott's and Poppy's boss at Dresser, and who son, Neil, is named after.

Harriman.

the dotted lines to corruption are so old they are covered in old school Robber Baron dust







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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #152
166. Mallon Connection...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=bush+mallon+dresser

I'm sure you knew that Poppy paid homage to Mallon thusly (just one of the failed Bush Boys): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Bush

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 04:54 PM
Response to Original message
135. Cheney Expresses Doubts About Sarbanes-Oxley
Cheney Expresses Doubts About Sarbanes-Oxley
Link:
http://www.informationweek.com/management/


snip>

The Times also reported some advocates of change expect the Bush administration will use many of the recommendations to limit what they see as overzealous state prosecutions by figures such as New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer and abusive class-action lawsuits by investors.

The groups are also expected to try to cut Sarbanes-Oxley costs, a goal regulators have been mulling for months.

"The chutzpah of the corporate and Wall Street communities just know no bounds," said Bill Lerach, a top class-action lawyer from the law firm of Lerach Coughlin in San Diego.

"How -- in the light of ... the stock options scandals and the executive compensation disgrace in this country -- they could with a straight face ask Congress for more legal protection is baffling."

The lobbying campaign may put Cox in a difficult position. Known during his nine terms as a congressman from southern California's Orange County as an opponent of business regulation, he is now one of Washington's top regulators.

follow the link...
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #135
140. Tweety = Chris Mathews
:)
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #140
141. Here is a possible Q to slip to Tweety(Chris Matthews)...
... "who are the hooligans, and how did you get to be a part of this group?"

Forces him to acknowledge relationships he would rather bury right now.

Just a thought...
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #140
158. OK...Etymology?
Why is he called Tweety?

- Dave
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G_Leo_Criley Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #158
172. Tweety Bird ...
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 08:28 PM by G_Leo_Criley
Resemblance to classic Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies cartoon character, "Tweety Bird." Tweety and Sylvester (the cat) series. "I tawt I taw a puddy tat."

:-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweety_Bird

glc
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #172
186. It's the Head ... Not the Interview by Scream...
... approach.

: )

Got it.

- Dave
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #135
144. I saw this article
a couple of days ago.My first thought was that the counterstrikes begin.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #144
169. That Was Empire ... This Is Jedi
The Empire has already struck back. 2006 is all about the Return of the Jedi.

: )

- Dave
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #169
170. my second thought was
Kursk.(sp?)
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #135
157. SEC Chairman Chris Cox Is a BushCo. Operative
Let's call this pig a pig: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Cox

"Cox also wrote the only law that was enacted over President Bill Clinton's veto, the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, aimed at protecting investors from fraudulent and extortionate lawsuits."

Horsecrap! It was a Gingrichite sop to big business, and has been wielded by every white collar criminal defendant from Bernie Ebbers to Kenny Boy Lay (especially the so-called "automatic stay" on discovery): http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pslra+automatic+stay

Thank God that some judges - notably Clinton appointees - have gutted this provision: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=pslra+automatic+stay+judge+melinda+harmon

As I asked in this filing, "Where is SEC Chairman Chris Cox?": http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1269476/000126947606000015/0001269476-06-000015-index.htm

(Carrying water for the Bush Family Syndicate, that's where.)

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:41 PM
Response to Original message
147. There's Andy
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 05:42 PM by Buttercup McToots
WHY is Chris asking such inane questions???
Stupid...Here's your chance...

Oh Gawd...Mitt Rommney:eyes:
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #147
160. Mitt Will Be Dealt with...
... well before 08.

; )

- Dave
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shanine Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #160
161. Thank God . . and
can Kerry Healey be dealt with also? ;-)
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #161
168. I Think Deval Has Her Beat Already
; )

- Dave
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 05:51 PM
Response to Original message
149. some fun reading here at Huffpost about Dresser Asbestos and poppy Bush
Edited on Thu Nov-02-06 06:17 PM by stop the bleeding
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:1WvD2ekh0eoJ:www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/09/09/cheney-has-become-radioa_n_29085.html+kerry,+cheney,+Dresser+asbestos&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

don't know if you all will like it or not but it does pass the time well, parts I like are 1/2 way and 3/4's the way down the page in the comments.


*******************************

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:nkfY8wvLcYcJ:foi.missouri.edu/usenergypolicies/undercheney.html+cheney,+Dresser+asbestos,+ENRON,+andersen&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=5

Mr. Cheney declined to comment yesterday. Andersen, which was fired as Halliburton's auditor last month, referred all questions to the company.

Mr. Foshee said he was certain that the accounting change was approved by David Lesar, a former Andersen accountant who was Mr. Cheney's second-in-command and succeeded him as chief executive in 2000. Halliburton, which continues to follow the more aggressive policy, declined to make Mr. Lesar available for comment.





also the posts from DUer cosmicdot may be worth y'alls time on this thread


happy readingB-)
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #149
163. Cheney, Lesar, David R. Smith
http://contracts.corporate.findlaw.com/agreements/halliburton/smith.emp.1998.09.29.html

Cheney's watch, Lesar as signatory.

Search on "Smith" in this filing, to see David R. Smith's progression through the various "money man" roles of Dresser and HAL: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/45012/000004501206000124/ed10k2005_final.htm

- Dave
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #163
174. Pages 19, 20
are meaty

In June 2004, we terminated all relationships with Mr. Stanley and another consultant(Wojciech Chodan??)employee of M. W. Kellogg, Ltd. The terminations occurred because of violations of our Code of Business Conduct that allegedly involved the receipt of improper personal benefits in connection with TSKJ’s construction of the natural gas liquefaction facility in Nigeria.

Start page 20 here


Until such time, if ever, as we can satisfy ourselves regarding compliance with applicable law and our Code of Business Conduct, have also suspended the services of another agent who has worked for KBR outside of Nigeria on several current projects and on numerous older projects going back to the early 1980’s.(Who the in hell is this?) In addition, we are actively reviewing the compliance of an additional agent on a separate current Nigerian project with respect to which we have recently received from a joint venture partner on that project allegations of wrongful payments made by such agent.

In February 2005, TSKJ notified the Attorney General of Nigeria that TSKJ would not oppose the Attorney General’s efforts to have sums of money held on deposit in banks in Switzerland transferred to Nigeria and to have the legal ownership of such sums determined in the Nigerian courts.





~snip~

In connection with the investigation into payments made in connection with the Nigerian project, information has been uncovered suggesting that Mr. Stanley and other former employees may have engaged in coordinated bidding with one or more competitors on certain foreign construction projects, and that such coordination possibly began as early as the mid-1980s, which was significantly before our 1998 acquisition of Dresser Industries.



same info shows up again on pages 50/51, 90/91


bottom of page 92 and top of 93 are curious - this is the first time that "smith" shows up outside of when the Officers of the Company are listed in the beginning




I have to go - but this goes on and on
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #174
187. Carry over to Thread VI...
... see my journal.

- Dave
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 07:14 PM
Response to Original message
155. I Just Had...
... a very enjoyable meeting with a very erudite freelance investigative journalist.

Stay tuned.

- Dave
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #155
171. Which TV channel?
or The Internets?!!
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #171
175. Good Nicht All My Dears...
Sweet Dreams...
I'll meet ye at the pass in the mornin`
:patriot:
Stay safe...
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #175
177. You, Too, Mrs. McToots...
... West Coast reporters are "onto them" now, too.

I'm beat. Night! More in the mornin'.

- Dave
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 06:02 AM
Response to Reply #177
179. Good Mornin`
What will taeday bring us?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:56 AM
Response to Reply #179
189. Thread VI Is up...
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #171
188. That Particular Sitdown...
... was a get-acquainted. I had other conversations - further along in the process - throughout the day.

; )

- Dave
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 10:03 PM
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176. I was thinking about Dresser Industries earlier today,
and remembering those odd occasions on which W has, out of nowhere, inserted into a speech the idea of "asbestos liability relief", of some such phraseology. Dresser, of course, is considered a collosal blunder of Cheney's reign as Halliburton CEO because of the vast asbestos liability it brought with it.

The light bulb moment I had was in thinking about the White House, after 9/11, telling Christie Todd Whitman as EPA head to declare the air in Manhattan safe to breathe, while it was full of millions of tons of pollutants including...asbestos. Asbestos exposure on a scale previously unimaginable.

And I have no doubt that Cheney made the decision to send all those people back to ground zero with all that asbestos in the air.
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:06 AM
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181. Good Morning
Good Stuff Already
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:57 AM
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190. They've Hoed This Row...
... before, in other words.

- Dave
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 09:39 AM
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182. Thread VI Is Up...
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