The ultimate "we will lose thread". All defeatists please post here.

[survivor999]

This way, there will be only ONE such thread in GD, not twenty of them. If you think we are going to lose post here and leave the rest of GD alone. Thank you.

[grytpype]

1. We're not going to win the Senate and Lieberman will in in CT.

That's as defeatist as I'm going to be.

[Yupster]

31. Yeah - it's hard to be a defeatist this time

even if you try to.

[Beelzebud]

2. John Kerry stole my shoes!

Marc Maron fans might remember that one. :D

[AIJ Alom]

3. We will lose our minds when the Democrats take back both

Houses of Congress. We will also lose a bunch of people we don't like from those chambers.

[BootinUp]

4. WE'RE DOOOMED !!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!!!!!!!! @@@@@@@@@@

ok, just had to get that out.

[Mist]

5. Actually, I was thinking of requesting a "piss and moan" thread. nt

[survivor999]

7. Ahahah!

You should!

[Teaser]

6. We're more fucked than Jeff Gannon.

and we're not even going to enjoy it.

[originalpckelly]

11. Or Ted Haggard as I understand it.

[ClassWarrior]

8. Don't forget the disclaimer...

This is a DUDQ Production.

NGU.

[wryter2000]

9. Kerry lost it for us

Sure, the machines were going to steal it, but now they don't have to because Kerry opened his big mouth. All the fundy nut jobs are going to come out to boot Kerry from the Senate and replace him with Robert Bork. Then, the radio will only be allowed to play Toby Keith and Sara Evans will win all the reality shows, including Big Brother.

Oh, and AAR sucks! :evilgrin:

[BootinUp]

12. bawhahahha!

what a fookin nightmare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Done]

10. If the Democrats win...

Dub-ya will have until January to go after Iran. He will attack Iran...WWIII...we all die.

Is that defeatist enough?

[stellanoir]

13. a possible antidote for such rampant defeatism. . .

Repeat after me. . .

". . .Perhaps by saying something like this. . .

Every time you feel the intense sorrow about anticipating the sometimes seemingly inevitable defeat, consider stiffening your spine, focusing your mind and saying aloud or thinking really loudly and firmly. . .

"I'm co creating with spirit that any malicious code implanted or secreted in the vote tally counting software be neutralized in the upcoming elections, and any malfeasance that does occur be so blatant that it will be exposed and corrected immedietely, so that the true will of the electorate will be revealed and true justice can be restored." (feel free to modify as you feel is appropriate)

Very simply, if they can rig 'em maybe we can fix 'em. . .with our hearts and minds. . . "

You see if there is one thing the other side is masterful at, it is "group think." Their "group think" is more often than not based on falsehood. A rational approach from some of the greatest intellects of our nation and their refutes based on scientific, mathematical, and historical data, has all too often fallen flat and simply not worked.

Perhaps it's high time to fight irrationality with faith based "group think" based on the belief that truth will win out over time.

As exemplified by the "Kerry flame wars" of yesterday, this is clearly an arena where we are lacking and we could perhaps work on developing some collective cerebral focus.

"Just imagine if you will. . ."

If there is any aspect of technology that could be influenced by group consciousness, it would probably be computers. If you don't believe me then ask a techie or two about inexplicable anomalies.

I figure it's worth a shot, certainly can't hurt, and is something we all can do.

[berni_mccoy]

14. That's not how to do it

You post something like "YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO WIN BIG AND BUSH WILL BE IMPEACHED BY NOV. 30th!!!" as the title.

Then, every defeatest will jump in and flame you why that isn't going to happen.

[undeterred]

15. We really need a defeatist FORUM.

How could just one thread ever contain all the despair, negativity, and Democrat bashing that goes on here?

[survivor999]

26. So true! Why not? Seriously, we need one.

[n2doc]

16. NONONO I WANT TWENTY DEFEATIST THREADS!

One just couldn't hold all of the defeating feelings I have! I gotta spread the bad news! We're all gonna die! Rove is Einstein/Leonardo Da Vinci/Edison/Tesla/Machiavelli all rolled up into one! We can't possibly stand up to such Genius! All of the Fundies are gonna vote and the E-voting machines will take away all our votes! Bush is gonna start a new war this weekend! I ran out of Depends and can't go out to the store smelling like this!






Oh, I forgot something....





(wait for it)










:sarcasm:

[survivor999]

17. It's over. The defeatists have won.

:)

[Canuckistanian]

43. Yay, we won!...... but..... we're defeatists

We're supposed to be resigned to failure.

Brain hurts.

[ronnykmarshall]

18. KKKarl's gonna steal ALL of our votes!!

Bush is gonna declare martial law!

We all going to be sent off to camps.

And it's all HILLARY'S FAULT!!!

[survivor999]

21. Wes Clark did it!

[wryter2000]

34. No, it's Howard Dean's fault

They're going to play the scream on every network, every hour on the hour, until Tuesday night when all the polls are closed.

[bluestateguy]

19. DIEBOLD!!! DIEBOLD!!! DIEBOLD!!!!

My computer was down this morning. Secret agents from Diebold must broken into my office to tamper with the software.

My coffeemaker was not working. Diebold must have programmed it to malfunction to discourage me from voting.

I got a wrong number phone call today. I traced the call back to Diebold headquarters. They are spying on me.

[survivor999]

20. Die Bold! Die!

[Peace Patriot]

22. Those who dis the folks who are worried about Bushite corporations

"counting" all our votes behind a veil of corporate secrecy, who are upset with our Democratic leadership for allowing this to happen, and who don't understand some Democratic leaders having voted for the war, supporting the war with massive funding, and/or waffling on the war, when 56% of the American people opposed the war way back in Feb. '03, before the invasion, and 70% opposed to it today--people who dis these kinds of worries are much like Bush and Bushites...

...if you criticize the war, you're with the "terrorists."

Re: this "defeatist" thread--if you blame Dems for permitting Bushites to "count" all the votes under a veil of corporate secrecy, leaving our elections wide open to fraud, or if you criticize Dem candidates for NOT representing the majority on the war and other issues, that means you WANT the Dems to lose and Bushites to win.

That's the Bush view of things: criticism, concern, facts, reality, truth = DISLOYALTY.

I thought DU was an open forum for free discussion of Democratic issues, not a rah-rah campaign rally to worship our Great Leaders.

Threads like this say otherwise. Survivor999 seems to be saying: SHUT UP AND SALUTE THE DEM FLAG!

The truth about the election system is that it was taken over, during the 2002-2004 period, by electronic voting corporations with very close ties to the Bush Junta and to far rightwing causes. And they are "counting" all the votes with TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, with virtually no audit/recount controls. Our Dem Party leadership is in part responsible for this fascist coup--by their MIND-BOGGLING silence as it took place--and their CONTINUED silence and acquiescence to SECRET, CORPORATE vote counting.

And this is very worrisome, indeed. Our election system is WIDE OPEN to massive fraud--via voting machines and central tabulators that are extremely insecure and insider hackable, in which the SECRET coding is owned and controlled by Bushite corporations.

Many states/counties have no paper trail at all. These votes cannot even be recounted or audited. Many states have NO audit. Others--the best--have only a 1% audit (wholly inadequate in this secret, high speed environment). And even in states that have some sort of paper trail, recounts are extremely expensive, difficult to obtain, and rare.

So, where are the "checks and balances" on election fraud? THEY DO NOT EXIST. Plain and simple. We are dependent on the honesty of the people at Diebold, whose CEO, until recently, was a Bush/Cheney campaign chair and major fundraiser, and the people at ES&S (a spinoff of Diebold), which was funded by rightwing billionaire Howard Ahmanson, who also gave one million dollars to the extremist 'christian' Chalcedon Foundation (which touts the death penalty for homosexuals, among other things).

Worried? What, me worry?!

To be worried about this is DEFEATIST??!!

On the contrary, to NOT be worried about this is to be BLIND, and to NOT warn people about it is WRONG. What on earth are people going to do, if they wake up on Nov. 8 to another Bush "pod people" Congress?

It CAN happen. Nobody knows if it will. Maybe they'll lay back, with their election theft capability, this time--in order to preserve it for future purposes. However, the corporate news monopolies jumping all over Kerry's stray joke gives me trepidations about it, as if they were just looking for some misstep like that to hang another Stolen Election on. Oh, yeah, all the voters changed their minds--a 15% to 20% shift--because Kerry blew a line. Right.

Well, we've seen it before, haven't we? (Dean's "scream" comes to mind. And all those phony "terra" alerts in the weeks before the '04 election. And Rove attributing their "win" to the Republicans' "invisible" get-out-the-vote campaign "in the churches.") (We heard that one again, recently, from Cheney.)

Another possibility--that these Bushite e-voting corporations are fully capable of pulling off: A slim Dem majority in the House, padded with Bushite Dems (like those who voted for torture and the suspension of habeas corpus the other week)--to shut us all up and dampen the election reform movement--but it will be a House in which people like Waxman and Conyers will be greatly handicapped.

This COULD happen. It CAN be engineered. Easily! These Bushite corporations ALSO control vote "counting" in our Dem primary elections. How do we know they haven't already used their TRADE SECRET vote "counting" software to pick more pro-war, pro-corporate Dems? It's not just corporate money now, influencing our elections. They have DIRECT invisible control over the vote "counting."

We MUST be aware of this--and fight it, as well as we can, with overwhelming turnouts, with vigilant election monitoring, with challenges of suspicious results, with pressure on our OWN Party, and with on-going, long term election reform activism.

Doom and gloom? No, this is the reality. These are the REAL facts about our election system. And we need to face them, and be prepared for whatever happens. And we also need to know that one thing that is NOT going to happen is CERTAINTY: transparent, verifiable election results.

That IS the problem. It's why anybody could be worried, at this point, that the Dems could lose.

[nolabels]

29. Thank you for putting it in words

For all those who don't understand how it works, their will be a review of the process next Wednesday. Truthisall might not be with us anymore to help with it all but I am sure several others will step up.

Till then, a K&R along with a bookmark

[survivor999]

30. Why would TIA not be with us?

Am I missing something?

[smirkymonkey]

47. Great post!

It's not about being defeatist, but about being realistic about what we are up against. I think - if the election is fair and on the level - we have an excellent chance of tipping the balance in our favor.

However, I just don't trust the GOP and the corporate powers that are in their pockets. And if we do win fair and sqaure, I don't trust that there isn't going to be some major backlash. The possibilty of GWB getting in a few "fuck yous" before he leaves office are highly likely.

Here is my tinfoil hat idea of what might happen: We win pretty big, and within the next few months there is a major terror attack, or some major economic disaster, or some combination of horrible happenings, which they will find some way to pin on the Democrats and Clinton's Penis, therefore killing our chances in the presidental election in 2008. :tinfoilhat:

Call me cynical, but I just don't believe that the republicans are going to be good sports and shake our hands should we be victorious. They are too evil, vindictive and hell bent on their mission to destroy the lives of all but the very, very elite.

[hedgehog]

23. I think we're going to win and win big and win in places we never thought of.

Please don't hurt me.

[survivor999]

25. Shut up, you victorist!

:)

[Orsino]

24. We'll never know how much we lose...

...or whether or not outright theft cost us a majority.

[StraightDope]

27. Yep. We lost already...

It's all over but the counting. I hope your optimism is a comfort to you while Bush and the gang destroy the last vestiges of the U.S. Instead of working within the confines of the system, you should have been working to destroy the system altogether. Now it's too late. Looks like all you optimists who devoted countless hundreds of hours, blood, sweat, tears and dollars really fucked up this time, eh?

:sarcasm:

[survivor999]

28. We are fucked!

[Norquist Nemesis]

32. What's the point? It's already all over anyway!

George and the KKK team (Karl, Ken, and Kongress) have told us so in no uncertain terms. Woe is me. The beast is starved.

[cwydro]

33. Oh dear

(wringing hands).....those gays did it to us in NJ...and then Kerry piled on with his foot in mouth disease...oh woe is us...

[wryter2000]

35. I hate New Jersey

Just look at it...sitting there...right next to New York. Ooooh, seethe.

[cwydro]

36. oh yeah, you said it....

:rofl: serves them right with their gay marriage; now there won't be a single heterosexual union left in the state....

[Beam Me Up]

37. We won the last three, why shouldn't we win this one, too?

Edit.

typo wrote should intended 'shouldn't'

[Canuckistanian]

38. Rove controls everything

Voting machines, money, energy, electricity, fire, the wheel...

[StrictlyRockers]

39. DOOOOMMMM!!!111!! DOOM I say!!!!! We are doooomed!!

[carolinayellowdog]

40. Virginia is full of racist rednecks and Webb won't get one single

vote. All those polls are wrong and South-bashers are right.

[RobertSeattle]

41. OK, But I'm still voting November 8th like the GOP told me to

:evilgrin:

[Change has come]

42. KKKarl is just too smart.

[here_is_to_hope]

44. Woe is us?

Naw, I aint listening, short of vote counting fraud, this one is ours.

[Change has come]

46. welcome to DU

here is to hope :toast:

[survivor999]

45. I feel so depressed! The negativity is everywhere.

Ahahahahah! :)

[eridani]

48. We need a Plan A AND a Plan B

Plan A is our priorities if we take at least the House, given a high enough turnout and enough success on the part of election integrity activists.

For me Plan B is don't concede ANYTHING without a fight to the bitter end.