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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:01 PM
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Body language expert weighs in on Haggard
Haggard's whole shtick smells rotten to Kevin Hogan, an internationally renowned expert on lying who has written a dozen books on body language, influence, and persuasion and worked with Boeing, Microsoft, Starbucks, CNN, the New York Times, and the BBC, among others. Radar pointed him toward a video of Haggard denying his affair with the hooker to get an expert's take on his tale.

"It's odd that he has so few signs of nonverbal anxiety," he says. "His eyes show no rapid movement. There's no anger, no nothing except a dissociation from the issue on a contextual level. If he didn't have this affair, he should have some emotion, and there is none," Hogan says. "He keeps saying, 'There is an independent blah-blah that will investigate and if they find me needing reprimand they will do so.' Most innocent people won't say something like that. From a contextual point of view, I would say with a high probability of certainty that he did have a relationship."

But what about manwhore Mike Jones?

"He looks totally congruent in his communication in the interview," Hogan says. "He's a little nervous. TV does that to you, but I believe him to be telling the truth."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2006/11/thou-shalt-not-lie-so-obviously.php

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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:05 PM
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1. Haggard closes his eyes whenever he denies a charge
When asked "But you didn't take it?" (in reference to the meth) he replied, "No, I never kept it." Never kept it? If you bought it once, wouldn't you say "I didn't keep it"?
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:12 PM
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4. Yep, that "never kept it" leaped out at me too.
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 07:15 PM by karlrschneider
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edit:

Meant to mention this, I don't see any ulterior motive for Jones bringing this out. If he wanted to
blackmail Haggard, surely he could have gotten something, one would imagine. And at his age, he probably isn't in great demand like a 20 year old might be.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:19 PM
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8. Someone I know who knows these kinds of things...
Edited on Fri Nov-03-06 07:19 PM by SheWhoMustBeObeyed
When I made the same observation about Jones's age, he said that catchers tend to be young, while pitchers tend to be older, and that married "straight" men prefer to catch.

I watched Jones. He appeared very credible to me.

Edit: typo

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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:07 PM
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2. The guy is a liar...
.. like all the rest of them. His story changes as new concrete evidence comes forward.

It's funny to me that anyone would doubt this guy's story.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:15 PM
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6. You just know anybody
who talks to the Whitehouse once a week has a few skeletons rattling around in their closet. I know that would usually sound "jumping to conclusions" but with this whitehouse..nah!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:08 PM
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3. Those LIPs give him away
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:17 PM
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7. Liar lips...


And what is it about high-level smarmy Repugs and the fish lips anyway? ...

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:44 PM
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15. Bush and a few others have those same lips...is it contagious?? LOL
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:21 PM
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10. His upper lip is in some sort of contorted permanent snarl
even when he is smiling... it's very weird. curled upper lip.

Sort of reminds me of this creature:


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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:45 PM
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16. It looks like they could suck the skin off an orange
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:55 PM
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19. Or the chrome off a trailer hitch!!!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:03 PM
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21. ROTFLMAO.......now that I would pay to see.....LOL
With those suckers of Ted's....you gatta give me odds.....
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:14 PM
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5. It's odd that he has so few signs of nonverbal anxiety
I was thinking that too. But I wasn't drawing the instant conclusion that this means he must have had the sexual relationship with the masseur/escort guy. I was thinking that either he is telling the truth and didn't have sex with the masseur or he did have sex and he is a psychopath, the kind of person who can lie (and do all kinds of other bad stuff) without feeling any guilt.
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:19 PM
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9. crazy cat has seen psycho . . .
. . . this guy seems pretty damned psycho.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:31 PM
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14. Yes, psychopath
Heck, he's a psycho BOULEVARD.

(Apologies to cartoonist Darby Conley, author of Get Fuzzy.)
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:23 PM
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11. They bask in supposed --presumed!-- forgiveness,
these "shepherds" and their sheep.
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redphish Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:30 PM
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13. Ummmmm I 'll go with the latter.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:23 PM
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12. I bought drugs and threw them away?????? LIE!!!!!! LIE!!!!!!!
The guy is a professional lier for christ sake. Give me a break!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:46 PM
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17. Now where have we heard this story before???
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:51 PM
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18. Who buys meth, then throws it away because "it was wrong"?
:eyes:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 07:58 PM
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20. Hell, my GAYDAR tells me the same thing.
And I'm certain I'm not alone in this.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-03-06 08:12 PM
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22. Yep, the guy is clearly overflowing with estrogen. nt
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