Too much hacking publicity to actually steal it?

[Cetacea]

I can hardly believe it but e-voting/hacking news stories are all over the news map. I wonder if wonder boy and co. will be having second thoughts about ,ahem, FLIP-FLOPPING the vote this time...

[Tiggeroshii]

1. They were in 2004 too

And afterwards, it was silent. I presume that's how it will be this year, unless the Democrats win. Conyers will keep the spotlight on it.

[Cetacea]

3. many more of us prepared this time

And I don't recall this much pre-election publicity before, and especially after the election. The media was on stand down.

[SharonAnn]

28. They were not nearly as widespread as this time. Not nearly!

I think it will cause a lot of suspicion if there are results different from what people are now expecting.

[NanceGreggs]

2. Dare I say it?

I think they've actually been out-Diebolded this time. To declare any kind of 'victory' in this election would mean saying that EVERY poll, EVERY survey, EVERY prediction by the political analysts was dead wrong.

And this time around, the whole country (and the world) actually IS watching.

[malaise]

4. You are correct

They are fugging naked.

[Cetacea]

5. Amen! eom

[HCE SuiGeneris]

7. yeah but...

you don't have the real math :-(

j/k btw

[NanceGreggs]

9. The PEOPLE'S math ...

... trumps Pig Boy's math.

[texpatriot2004]

16. I hope so. That Fuzzy Math that the Rethugs do, it's bad. You

think this time the people's math will be honored?

[NanceGreggs]

18. Considering all of the poll results leading up to Tuesday ...

... I don't think they have any choice. Even conservative election analysts are saying the GOP doesn't stand a chance - and I don't think they want to 'invite' a look into voting irregularities right now, because PAST irregularities would inevitably be part of any such investigation.

Just ANOTHER corner the GOP have painted themselves into ...

[texpatriot2004]

23. Well color me happy for their paint job. I know what you mean

because I have had this sense lately about "plausibility" - you know, this "election" is all about that. In America the result has to at least LOOK plausible and right now it wouldn't for them.

My only thing is this, well aside from media spin about results (just like 2000 and 2004), so my only 2 things are, media and all this talk now of hacking elections and problems with the machines and missing cards, etc. that the GOP would try to manipulate this if the outcome isn't to their liking.

Actually, I tend to agree with you that they don't have much of a choice here. To steal it would invite, as you mentioned, a look into the past and I agree with you that they don't want to go there.

Interesting times we are living in. Oh, and BTW I love your journal entries. :-) I especially loved that one about all the things we are supposed to be worried about these days. You know the one?

[NanceGreggs]

24. Yes, I think I know the one - and thanks!

Interesting times - oh, yes!

Funny how the GOP operatives have wound up in the corner they have so meticulously painted themselves into.

Can't cry election vote fraud foul when they lose, without investigation they DO NOT WANT into that very allegation.

Can't come to the aid of Foley without enraging their Fundie base.

Can't downplay the culpability of Ney, Cunningham, et al without looking like they're tolerating criminal behaviour in their own ranks.

Can't point to Iraq as a shining example of spreading democracy, because it's all down the toilet and everybody knows it.

Down To Zero.

Ain't a beautiful thing to behold?

[texpatriot2004]

25. Yes, it is a beautiful site to behold. nm

[pat_k]

6. Their cowardice may stop many, but others will go to any lengths. . .

. . .Hopefully for the nation, fanatical election thieves will be compelled to go too far and get caught in dozens of races.

[American Jesus]

8. Here's a bizzare theory out of left field that I just made up......

What if the 'pukes didn't steal this election? Chimpy's a lame duck either way. Pelosi's already promised that there wouldn't be a Chimpeachment, and there's barely time to do it anyway, and the 2008 campaign unofficially kicks off next summer anyhow.

The neocons have done their damage and not even Holy Miracles from Myself would allow the Democrats to undo all of it within a decade let alone in just two years.

So let the Dems win this election. And in doing so, you can ridicule the voting machines controversy. Meanwhile, the Freepers will be up in arms over what they claim will be "Democratic voter fraud" - encouraged by this story that Chavez has something to do with Sequoia machines. So that will keep the political division stirred up and ready to support the next PNAC puppet in 2008

So what do y'all think?

Too crazy, or just insane enough to work?

[alfredo]

10. I don't think the Chavez story got much traction, even with

the RW mouthpieces. So much shit was happening, so many fires they had to try to contain, they didn't have the time and resources to build up a big fear campaign.

[American Jesus]

15. Actually CNN was making a big deal out of it about 20 minutes ago

And of course they had all the Republican mouthpieces lined up to question the credibility of elections counted on machines "owned by another country".

Of course machines owned by KNOWN Republican party activists (and Senators) are perfectly safe :eyes:

[alfredo]

22. And the ones owned by Saudi Arabia. I believe the machines

used to count military votes are owned by the Saudis. Not sure about that though.


Haggard will be the big story. Sex trumps all.

[NanceGreggs]

14. I have to respectfully disagree, AmericanJesus ...

The 'let-the-Dems-win-this-one' theory doesn't hold water. There's no way in hell these people 'let' anything such thing happen. It was beyond their control.

Secondly, the only chance the GOP have of retaining the WH is 2008 is to come up with a candidate who doesn't look, sound or even remotely resemble BushCo. The people (even their own) are speaking loud and clear on that topic.

Just as the Fundies have finally woken up to the fact that they've been 'had' by the GOP vote-grabber machine, so the mainstream Republican voter has awoken to the fact that their party has been hijacked by the PNAC boys.

Any Republican who has his eyes on the big WH prize in '08 will have to distance themselves from PNAC and everything it stands for, while, at the same time, not dissin' the present administration and its policies TOO much, so as to look like they're speaking up against one of their own.

Tough row to hoe, that one.

[American Jesus]

17. By "let the Dems win it", I mean they don't steal it.

Because we all know they didn't win 2000, and it's doubtful that they won 2002, and mathematically impossible that they won 2004. People are starting to catch on to the theft, and the corporate media is actually helping. That's what makes me suspicious of their motives.

To NOT steal this election makes sense in that respect. They can write off legitimate concerns about the machines as "paranoia" and then when they steal the White House again in 2008, they can cry "Oh, not this shit again...."

And with the Chimp agenda somewhat tamed by a Democratic majority, it allows the perfect opportunity for the Republicans to find their "anti-chimpy" candidate, as you say. It doesn't mean he won't be a PNAC puppet. He'll just try really hard to whitewash the fact.

[NanceGreggs]

21. I hear ya!

I think enough shit is out there right now to force the agenda of cleaning up the voting process - let's not forget that Republicans are terrified that the Dems may 'master' the intricacies of computer vote-theft for their own purposes in future.

I firmly believe that the PNAC agenda is dead. And I don't think anyone could 'disguise' their adherance to the philosophy.

The PNAC boys have not had a SINGLE success, nor a SINGLE 'prediction' come to pass. I know we all fall into the trap (myself included) of thinking. "Good God, the American public is stupid."

But the truth is they're not. It may take some people longer than others to catch on, but once they do - watch out! They are VERY UNLIKELY to be taken in by the same huckster twice.

The Democrats have had an uphill climb in taking the country back - but they are, nonetheless, about to do just that.

The Republican voters, on the other hand, now have to wrest control of their party from the PNACers before they can credibly be part of the political landscape again.

I think they're up for it - which bodes well for the nation, and what the two-party system was meant to be all about.

[BeFree]

19. Not too crazy

Crazy to think some DC deal has gone down to fix or unfix an election? Not crazy at all... wouldn't surprise me one bit.

But if the freeps start yelling for investigations, the whole bushco foundation will shake. Because we will still be fighting against ghostly programmed elections, and with the freeps doing the same, the whole diebold thing would be trashed.

Trash diebold and Publicans may never again be elected. And that's my goal. So bring on the freeps.

[kenny blankenship]

11. the more polls that are taken, the greater our margins and the stronger our momentum

as measured by widening margins across different races going into election day, the harder it becomes for Karl's little helpers to tamper with the results. (or, i certainly hope so)
Of course by the same token, as all that evidence of a Democratic victory mounts, the greater the desire to cheat must become for Republicans.

Exit polls are desperately needed too though, to confirm what polling prior to the election has predicted, and I've heard some talk about there not being exit polling anymore?

[lala_rawraw]

12. I predict they will set up their own stolen election spin ...

because Rove never changes his strategy.... he bugged his own office once

[SPKrazy]

27. Of Course Since They Claim Chavez Controls One Company

that makes voting systems

the spin has already started

I also think that putting out the information about e-voting right now will end up putting the election in dispute no matter who wins, and it will be decided by whoever mounts the most powerful spin machine for public consumption, one side will be the new "sore losers" and the other will take the spoils.

Care to guess who Rove is setting up to be the sore losers?

Then as you've said, (paraphrased) there's always the American Gulags for those who dissent and actually take to the streets, why they must be enemies of America, detain them indefinitely.

[kitp]

13. okay, i'm paranoid

chavez owns one of the voting machine companies
the news is full of the problems with the voting machines
the democrats win the election

the thugs claim the dems stole it and that's all we hear from now until the '08 campaign when some clean and spiritual-like thug will come in to clean up the dem corruption in washington

[0rganism]

20. nope -- the operation would necessarily have been planned long ago

based on the quality of their other endeavors, I really doubt they'd have a stable back-out plan for an election theft planned in, say, April.

So the question is not really whether they would hesitate to proceed based on recent publicity, but rather what will happen if they try. Will Americans let them get away with it this time?

[lonestarnot]

26. Yeppers. Here you have it.