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Neo Culpa
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/12/neocons200612?printable=true¤tPage=all
As Iraq slips further into chaos, the war's neoconservative boosters have turned sharply on the Bush administration, charging that their grand designs have been undermined by White House incompetence. In a series of exclusive interviews, Richard Perle, Kenneth Adelman, David Frum, and others play the blame game with shocking frankness. Target No. 1: the president himself.
by David Rose VF.COM November 3, 2006

I remember sitting with Richard Perle in his suite at London's Grosvenor House hotel and receiving a private lecture on the importance of securing victory in Iraq. "Iraq is a very good candidate for democratic reform," he said. "It won't be Westminster overnight, but the great democracies of the world didn't achieve the full, rich structure of democratic governance overnight. The Iraqis have a decent chance of succeeding." Perle seemed to exude the scent of liberation, as well as a whiff of gunpowder. It was February 2003, and Operation Iraqi Freedom, the culmination of his long campaign on behalf of regime change in Iraq, was less than a month away.

Three years later, Perle and I meet again at his home outside Washington, D.C. It is October, the worst month for U.S. casualties in Iraq in almost two years, and Republicans are bracing for losses in the upcoming midterm elections. As he looks into my eyes, speaking slowly and with obvious deliberation, Perle is unrecognizable as the confident hawk who, as chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee, had invited the exiled Iraqi dissident Ahmad Chalabi to its first meeting after 9/11. "The levels of brutality that we've seen are truly horrifying, and I have to say, I underestimated the depravity," Perle says now, adding that total defeat—an American withdrawal that leaves Iraq as an anarchic "failed state"—is not yet inevitable but is becoming more likely. "And then," says Perle, "you'll get all the mayhem that the world is capable of creating."

According to Perle, who left the Defense Policy Board in 2004, this unfolding catastrophe has a central cause: devastating dysfunction within the administration of President George W. Bush. Perle says, "The decisions did not get made that should have been. They didn't get made in a timely fashion, and the differences were argued out endlessly.… At the end of the day, you have to hold the president responsible.… I don't think he realized the extent of the opposition within his own administration, and the disloyalty."

[Surya Gayatri]

1. Damn you to hell for eternity, Perle--

"The levels of brutality that we've seen are truly horrifying, and I have to say, I underestimated the depravity,"...

You have the audacity to say this? You who framed, enabled and abetted the most disastrous foreign policy in American history? You are a culpable war criminal no less than the incompetent, arrogant dolt you installed in the White House. SG

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[Epiphany4z]

7. Perle

The levels of brutality that we've seen are truly horrifying, and I have to say, I underestimated the depravity,"...


well gee wiz we didn't realize war was horrifying....sigh......It is not like they where not told...people told them what is happening would happen...but they didn't want to hear it...that was just ohhhhh defeatism....crazy peacnick talk...things like this make me wish I believed in hell because these bastards deserve it.

[Surya Gayatri]

15. Truth be told, I don't believe in 'hell'

in the Miltonian sense either. Just a figure of speech. But, I do believe in the wheel of cause and effect and in karmic consequences. And these unspeakable bastards will have a shit-load to work off. SG

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

25. And that's just looking at his face!

"Ah, the levels of brutality!" :scared:

[Philosoraptor]

2. perle: "Ididn'tdoit"

sounds like he's actually trying to distance himself from the whole bloody mess, as if.

[malaise]

3. They are not apologizing

They are only upset that their grand plan failed. The likes of Perle and the neo-cons wanted more aggression, more slaughter as long as they controlled that oil.

These men must never be trusted -they will only regroup to create more mayhem on this planet. Perle says The levels of brutality that we've seen are truly horrifying, and I have to say, I underestimated the depravity," Someone should ask him whether the illegal invasion and bombing of a sovereign country and slaughter of its civilians (described as collateral damage) to steal their pol was not depraved.

Fuck Perle and his criminal gang. They should be taught a harsh lesson with severe punishment. They must never be allowed to regroup.

[Pithlet]

23. Yep. They're just covering their asses.

They want to distance themselves as far as they can. We can't let them get away with it.

[leveymg]

4. Why is it impossible for people like Perle to admit that they were wrong?

Instead, it's always the "disloyalty" or "incompetence" of others.

The same qualities that made him so stunningly successful in his ascendency -- a religious zeal, fanatical loyalty to a cause, vanity, delusions of grandeur, intellectual dishonesty, refusal to acknowledge the strengths of opponents and weaknesses of ones own, utter disdain for conventions of ethics and propriety -- are the very faults that have catapulted him and other Neocons into a disastrous failure and to their imminent demise as a part of the American power structure.

Like Fascists, which they share a great deal in common, they will never be trusted as agents of policy again. Into the wilderness you go, Richard.

The crypto-fascists, the Bushites and Texas/Riyadh Oil Mafia, the NSA/CIA privatizers and GOP partisan approintees at DHS -- all those who sought to cancel the Constitution and tyranize America, and plunge us all into a global forever war, with themselves in command and reaping the spoils of mass destruction -- will join you in oblivion.

Time's up.

[zeemike]

5. So true

And I suspect that most of them are sociopaths.

[izzie]

6. It is hard to think of these dimwits. Two different societies and

these people figured we could make them like us with a gun. I never under stand this type thinking. It is not that the world is not moving to wards people taking over their own govt. but even I can see they are doing it in their own way. Even a country like Saudi is slowly starting to educate women. Seems educated men want educated women and children. Sure it is slow but you can not just knock off 1000 years or culture because you think your right. One really wonders about these people in the WH and in power.

[lildreamer316]

8. Well, that's the risk when you agree to be the puppet head; or the pawn..

..because then you become the sacrificial lamb.
If Bush was smart, he'd be gathering resources to cover his ass right now..if Rove hasn't already shredded them.
I almost feel sorry for him.............nope; nevermind. Just indigestion.

[Demit]

9. "...all the mayhem THE WORLD is capable of creating"—?!??

What, like, "gee, all we did was light the match?"

[WinkyDink]

10. I underestimated the depravity," Perle says now....

I knew Bush was depraved, why didn't he?

I really don't care who Perle THINKS he is speaking of, consciously.

[Nay]

17. They "underestimate the depravity" cuz none of them have ever fought

in a war!!! They all opted out! Grrrrrrrrr. It's all a fucking Sim City game to them, and we are the pawns to be sacrificed.

[BootinUp]

11. These children need a good spanking

all they can do is point fingers and deny responsibility. "Cake Walk" Adelman disgusts me in particular.

[trumad]

12. He's just pissed that Chalabi gave him Herpes....

[KayLaw]

13. This frightens me.

If Bush declares Martial Law here, we'll know "levels of brutality and depravity" on our soil.

[Jon8503]

14. They Are All The Same - Never Accept Responsibility - Blame Others

or as in this case, turn on each other. They are all guilty of ignorance.

(Excerpt from Vanity Fair Article below)

Kenneth Adelman: "The most dispiriting and awful moment of the whole administration was the day that Bush gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to George Tenet, General Tommy Franks, and Jerry Bremer—three of the most incompetent people who've ever served in such key spots. And they get the highest civilian honor a president can bestow on anyone! That was the day I checked out of this administration. It was then I thought, There's no seriousness here, these are not serious people. If he had been serious, the president would have realized that those three are each directly responsible for the disaster of Iraq."

[Pachamama]

16. Further proof that the "Real" President is Cheney - Bush is merely the puppet/frontman

And this article further proves there is no loyalty among thieves and criminals. Funny how the last sentence above really refers to Perle himself too.

[Golden Raisin]

18. These Neocon bastards

from PNAC and other rightwing (fascist) "thinktanks" have mortally wounded our Republic and may perhaps have inflicted a deathblow. Ravening wolves. I take that back. That's an insult to wolves.

[many a good man]

19. They're giving up on "morality"

Fearing that worse is still to come, Adelman believes that neoconservatism itself—what he defines as "the idea of a tough foreign policy on behalf of morality, the idea of using our power for moral good in the world"—is dead, at least for a generation.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/12/neocons200612?currentPage=2

[no_hypocrisy]

20. "I underestimated the depravity." Choose one:

A) Iraq, generally
B) * White House
C) PNAC
D) All of the above

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. It was THEIR freakin' DOCTRINE that got the HEGEMONY BALL ROLLING!

They can eat shit. Had they not pushed that sick freakin' doctrine of theirs, things may be very different right now...like 3,000 soldiers would still be alive and 665,000 Iraqis wouldn't have been MURDERED and tens of thousands of our soldiers would still have their arms and legs.:grr: Perle, Wolfowitz, Adelman, Frum, AND this administration OWN this and should be tried for WAR CRIMES!

[GCP]

22. Rat - meet sinking ship

They should be shot and hung upside down from lamp-posts ala Mussolini.
Hell, Guy Fawkes was hung drawn and quartered for treason.
What they've done is treason in my book.

[leftchick]

24. fuck frum!

:puke:

To David Frum, the former White House speechwriter who co-wrote Bush's 2002 State of the Union address that accused Iraq of being part of an "axis of evil," it now looks as if defeat may be inescapable, because "the insurgency has proven it can kill anyone who cooperates, and the United States and its friends have failed to prove that it can protect them." This situation, he says, must ultimately be blamed on "failure at the center"—starting with President Bush.


these mutherfuckers NEVER take responsibility!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

26. Perle, Adelman and Frum.

:tinfoilhat:


I surmise that P, A & F are saying these things so as that they might scoop up the disaffected Chimp voter into their arms so that they may herd them back at a later date.


The theory is called The Democratic Cut-Out Theory.

[AntiFascist]

27. I suspect this myself....

there is plenty of pro-war feeling still out there with regard to the ME, they've just been relatively quiet.

The same thing happens when they make it look like Chimp and Poppy are at odds, but really this is just a way of herding old-line paleocons into GHWB, the closet neocon's, camp.