Who's to blame for Pastor Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife

[RamboLiberal]

Colorado Springs' New Life Church just announced that it has fired Pastor Ted Haggard for his "sexually immoral conduct." The much publicized meth and gay hooker scandal has elicited a little bit of soul searching and a lot hemming and hawing from Haggard's fellow Evangelical leaders, but perhaps the most ridiculous response came yesterday from Pastor Mark Driscoll of Seattle's Mars Hills mega-church-wannabe.

Writing in his personal blog, Driscoll offers his fellow pastors "some practical suggestions" on how to avoid the type of temptation that consumed Pastor Haggard. And near the top of his list?

"Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and take one for the team on this. It is not uncommon to meet pastors' wives who really let themselves go; they sometimes feel that because their husband is a pastor, he is therefore trapped into fidelity, which gives them cause for laziness. A wife who lets herself go and is not sexually available to her husband in the ways that the Song of Songs is so frank about is not responsible for her husband's sin, but she may not be helping him either."

Uh-huh. Leave it to a fundamentalist Evangelical preacher to have such a profound understanding of human sexuality. Or as the inimitable sex columnist Dan Savage so aptly put it:

"I'm sure Ted Haggard is saying something along these lines to his wife right now: 'Oh, honey... I wouldn't have been having those meth-fueled ass-banging sessions with that gay hooker if you hadn't have let yourself go like that!' "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-goldstein/whos-to-blame-for-pastor_b_33279.html

[woodsprite]

1. How come I can almost hear Jeff Foxworthy delivering that line? n/t

[davidinalameda]

119. I was thinking more of Andrew Dice Clay

[Pacifist Patriot]

133. Indeed

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. Oh. My. Word

[KittyWampus]

19. this thinking is so totally alien to me. It's like they're from another planet

[codjh9]

124. What do you mean, 'it's LIKE they're from another planet'? THEY ARE! :^)

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

3. Gee, and to think some people accuse the fundy agenda of misogyny

Un-effin-believable.:grr:

[salinen]

4. It's not her fault

it's Clintons.

[Critters2]

139. It's the clenis' fault she let herself go nt

[babylonsister]

"I will lean over the plate and take one for the team on this."

Holy Shit! He really said that? :rofl:

And I saw someone I presumed to be Haggard's wife; she looked fine. This guy is a closet gay misogynist if I ever read one.

[femrap]

50. She looked lovely...I hope to hell he didn't bring any

diseases home to her.

[hippiechick]

5. So does this mean the Pope is gonna allow Catholic preists to marry?

If there's really such a cause and effect ... I'm jus' sayin' .. :evilfrown:

[YOY]

85. The Pope is not involved in this one whatsoever

Fundie Protestants are not fundie Catholics.

[hippiechick]

90. I know, but the commentary could lead to a conclusion that ...

... priests should also be allowed to marry. I mean, its not like the Catholic church doesn't have its share of closet pervs too ...

[YOY]

103. Yep, but they also don't rail on homosexuals anywhere near as much

I knew an openly gay monk. Claiming to be chaste, but openly gay and was not drummed out of the cloth.

Catholic political railing is most centered on abortion.

[Tesha]

111. "Don't rail on homosexuals"? ARE YOU KIDDING?

Who the hell do you think is leading the anti-gay
marriage hate-fest here in Massachusetts?

It's the Catholic Hierarchy: A bunch of guys who
run around in dresses!

Tesha

[YOY]

113. Funny, I don't remember that one from my Catholic upbringing in Cleveland

Then again, the Franciscans aren't know for being a bunch of bastyards.

Are these hateful bastards perchance Opus Dei?

[Tesha]

114. It's hard to say about Opus Dei...

It's hard to say about Opus Dei, but the current bossman (who is
quite firmly behind work to reverse gay marriage) is a Capuchin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_P._O%27Malley

The previous occupant of the office now hides in the Vatican
in the hopes of dodging U.S. justice for his underlings spending
a bit too much time fucking altar boys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Cardinal_Law

Tesha

[YOY]

140. It's just that the Catholic Church I remember railed far more about abortion than gays

Granted I haven't been back for 10 years, but they don't change all that much and I get the skinny from my mom who still attends.

Then again they have been locksteping evangelicals in the morals despite the fact that the evangelicals don't even consider Catholics to be Christians.

[hippiechick]

116. Yes, you're right. I have no idea what I'm thinking ...

:eyes: Jeez.

[YOY]

138. obviously not...get your Jesus nuts straight

:eyes:

[Irreverend IX]

6. His fellow pastors probably knew about his rocky relationship with the wife...

Because a bunch of them were boning her behind his back. And some others probably joined him during his meth-fueled gay sexcapades. Christian family values at their finest.

[jaysunb]

14. Heh Heh !

you are probably right. :rofl:

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[Irreverend IX]

82. What's your problem?

His wife was complicit in his leadership of the church and no doubt shared his fundy worldview. Hopefully this event will crush her will and eliminate her capacity to further aid the conservative cause. Showing sympathy to her kind bespeaks a grave weakness of character.

[femrap]

126. Well, aren't you the tough one...

I do feel sorry for her as I would feel sorry for anyone whose spouse/partner is found to be cheating. In this case, I hope that he didn't bring home any diseases to her.

Have you ever been betrayed by a loved one? By the person who is putting the roof over the your head and the food on the table. These women are taught very early in life that they are to do as they are told.


I guess you feel that showing sympathy isn't a macho characteristic...well, machoism is highly over-rated. It leads to war, violence, and oppression. The ability to sympathize or empathize is something that macho boys should consider. The world would be a far better place.

Go bespeak yourself, ice boy.

[Irreverend IX]

129. Macho?

Machismo is a psychological crutch for the immature, a way for the weak-minded to puff themselves up in public. What I advocate is pragmatism. Democrats have practiced "polite politics" for far too long, and Joe Lieberman has shown where that road leads.

"These women are taught very early in life that they are to do as they are told."

And that is precisely why they deserve no sympathy or forgiveness. "True believers" are an abomination, a scourge on any pluralistic society. People who base the totality of their world view on one book or one story or one radio host must be driven into every kind of desert, not offered succor, for they will surely give none. Fundamentalists and neocons will take ten miles for every inch given. That is their nature, and extending the hand of friendship to them is like beckoning vipers into your home.

[femrap]

142. I suppose you kick your dog too....

or do you just hit him with your crutch?

Listen, after 2004, I knew Nice was over. But picking on Mrs. Haggard is not accomplishing a thing.

Why don't you open your church of pragmatism?

[Fridays Child]

7. Um, Pastor Mark? Is this a confession, hon?

And just how often do you "lean over the plate?"

[silverojo]

8. Right-wingers = Blamethrowers n/t

[CoffeeCat]

9. Ok...what gives with this Driscoll dude?

What kind of a person assumes that banging a male prostitute is a substitute for not having sex with your wife?
Sounds like an argument from someone who understands and empathizes with the desire to have sex with a man.

This is some VERY revealing rhetoric, indeed.

(So, is his wife's extra 15 pounds also to blame for his drug addiction?)

Sorry, Mr. Driscoll. What his wife had, Haggy didn't want. This has nothing to do with her
"letting herself go". Please.

These people are absurd.

[jaysunb]

10. She looked alright to me...

if that was her sitting in the front seat of the car during that interview. Hell, I was wondering what she ever saw in his ugly ass.

[qanda]

12. Right

I thought she was rather pretty. I feel sorry for her and their children.

[DesertRat]

21. She looked attractive to me.

How dare they try to blame her! She's the real victim in this.
The look on her face yesterday was heartwrenching. She looked shell shocked. My heart goes out to her and their five children.

[femrap]

53. Thank you for seeing the true picture here....nt.

[Strelnikov_]

60. Yea. The Look On Her Face Kind Of Took The Fun Out Of It

for me. And then there are the children. 'Art' deserves what he gets, but not the children.

And, she seemed to be attractive to me, also.

[Hekate]

76. Shell shocked. God, I felt sorry for her and the kids.

She looks like she's trying to maintain some personal dignity in public while that jerk she's married to struts and yammers for the cameras.

She's the good wifey who bore her husband 5 kids, and some other wingnut pastor tries to blame HER for her husband's sins? Spare me. That addition to the saga just tells me the hypocrisy among the male leaders in that movement is near-total.

It's not their religious persuasion -- it's the hypocrisy. It's not Haggard's male prostitute -- it's the vicious hypocrisy.

Hekate

[adamuu]

78. yeah, i bet she gives good hea....

lthy relationship advice.

[ecstatic]

23. Her husband is gay! It wouldn't matter if she looked like Pamela Anderson

She just can't give him what he really needs. I hope she isn't blaming herself because there is nothing she or any other woman could have done to keep him at home.

[yurbud]

39. HEY! Don't stereotype all heteros as liking Pam Anderson

I'd take Jessica Alba over her anyday.

Though if you are offering Pam Anderson, I suppose I wouldn't want to hurt your feelings...

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[jaysunb]

67. She'll be ok

Just look at Tammy Fay Baker....makin scads of money, still looking hot enough for the polyester lizards that like her type.
Hey. There's life afterward. Just ask Arrianna Huffington.

[DawgHouse]

11. they've been blaming women since Eve.

This is nothing new.

[Olney Blue]

13. Maybe that's why he wrote a diet book.

He was afraid his wife would get fat and drive him to sin.

[Tinksrival]

15. Can't be her fault.........

She wrote the book on being the Pastor's good little wife!

A Life Embraced
A Hopeful Guide for the Pastor's Wife

http://www.randomhouse.com/images/dyn/cover/?source=9781400070626&height=150


Written by Gayle Haggard
.............. ...........

snip>>>>>>>

http://www.crosswalk.com/faith/pastors/1315204.html

Gayle Haggard on Embracing Life as a Pastor's Wife
Kelly O'Neil
Contributing Writer

As the wife of a man involved in ministry, you sometimes may feel trapped by unrealistic expectations and overburdened by obligations. The constant demands on his time and yours–as well as the feeling that your life is always on display–can lead to discouragement and frustration.

But ministry life isn’t about enduring challenges, says author Gayle Haggard. It’s about embracing joy. After more than 20 years of working alongside husband Ted Haggard, she believes that women supporting their husbands in ministry truly can be free, happy and fulfilled as they recognize the value of their unique vocation.

[mondo joe]

16. Not that gay sex isn't totally hot, because it is, but just how hot do these

religious whackos think it is that all that's standing between an upright pastor and servicing a male prostitute is the pastor'swife letting herself go a bit?

Here's a clue for them: Men who are sexually attracted to woman do not generally go for other men.

[ecstatic]

17. Someone needs to distribute that blog entry to his congregation

This Driscoll guy is obviously delusional, and one can't help but wonder what type of skeletons are hiding in his closet. What type of delusional f*ck would even suggest that a woman's appearance could factor into her husband's decision to smoke meth with a prostitute?

[JohnnyLib2]

18. Calling Gloria Steinem, Bella Abzug --

seems we have gone back in time and must start over.

[Dr.Phool]

20. I just told my wife, that if I ever get caught

Getting fucked in the ass by a speed freak, IT'S ALL HER FAULT!!!!!

[mentalsolstice]

30. And now I presume you're holding a steak to your eye? eom

[Dr.Phool]

43. No, she made me cook it for her.....

[seabeyond]

51. you are cute. that man is sad. i sure do like dem men over those

dudes a zillion times over

[mentalsolstice]

70. Smart woman! n/t

[RB TexLa]

56. Would you have replied with the same line making light of assault

if the poster had said "I just told my HUSBAND, that if I ever get caught" ??

[mentalsolstice]

72. Lighten up pal...life's too short!

[BrotherBuzz]

48. I just laid that line on my wife and it almost almost killed her....

laughing. :rofl:

[Nay]

66. I just told my DH that line, and he's choking on his Doritos. God.

What a bunch of unholy asswipes these people are. Who on earth would even give them the time of day?

[femrap]

57. I spewed....thx. Best laugh I had all day!

[acmejack]

22. That poor woman!

She sat in that automobile and was composed, despite the state of shock she must have been in. That BS wouldn't wash with any one short of a complete idiot (& as the classic line goes, complete idiots are rare) will laugh uproariously at anyone offering up such stupidity.

[yurbud]

24. that might be a reason to have an affair but not to go gay and smoke meth

she was a beard and no amount of aerobics would have fixed that.

[yurbud]

25. sad: his kids were in car when he told reporter about meth & massage

and they looked old enough to know what he was talking about and be mortified.

[ecstatic]

26. Also: These freaks want 5+ kids then expect wife to look perfect afterwards?! nt

[Lars39]

27. Pastor Driscoll has to sleep some time.

[Generic Brad]

141. Not if he's doing meth

I hear that stuff keeps you awake for days at a time.

[Mr_Spock]

28. No wonder Pastor Driscoll is "widely despised"

This misogynist bastard is the lowest form of life this planet has to offer.

[Miss Chybil]

29. What about the women who "let themselves go" because they are

depressed over being trapped in a "loveless" marriage? It must be awful to be married to a man who is not interested in you and you think you have to put on the charade because of his "position" and maybe, the children. It's all about him, isn't it? Shame, shame on the wife for not being alluring enough to keep her husband from plugging another man in the rear-end. Shame, shame on her. Just think, if we were in Saudi Arabia, she would probably get a few lashes for his whoring around...

[NightOwwl]

31. "I will lean over the plate and take one for the team"

:rofl:

[KharmaTrain]

32. And The Crystal Meth Gets A Pass...

How messed up is this? This man admitted he purchased a controlled substance...a federal crime...and it's the "sexually immoral conduct" is the cause? Not even a mention...it's like his banishment from being able to fleece money from sheeple is adequate "punishment".

As Bettamillion Bill Bennett would ask..."where's the outrage??"

[NorthernSpy]

93. The woman made lousy coffee! She has only herself to blame...

She forced her husband to seek a higher-quality stimulant elsewhere!



:dunce:

[Sparkly]

98. LOL!

That's IT!!! :rofl:

[Rowdyboy]

33. No wife is ever to blame for a husbands infidelity......Ms Haggard appeared sad,

as she has every right to be. Her life has just been exposed as a lie and the person she trusted most to be a liar. I feel very sorry for her and the 5 kids, and nothing but contempt for him.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

34. My oh my oh my. Oh my.

That's all I got! :shrug:

[Catherine Vincent]

35. What an ass!

[Ecumenist]

36. Um, I don't care how fat a WOMAN becomes

it would never cause a truly straight man to go after a 200.00 a session GAY rentBOY!! This man is smoking something POWERFUL to believe that. When I asked DH what he thought about this "helpful hint" from the wise and wonderful Driscoll, Sir Ecumenist said, (and I quote), "there's not enough alcohol on the planet to make me drunk enough to go after ANYTHING anywhere near male EVAH!"

Makes me wonder about the sexual orientation of the "esteemed" pASStor Driscoll. 'Nuff said.

[Cleita]

37. And we used to think that the reason Catholic priests were gay

was because they weren't allowed to have wives. Maybe St. Paul was on to something with this priestly celibacy thing. At least it saved some poor woman from a life of silent suffering.

Now maybe it's time to acknowledge in religion and spiritual practices that a person's sexuality has little to do with his need for spirituality.

[distantearlywarning]

38. Just another shining example of that "responsibility culture"

It's not poor pastor Haggard's fault he ran off with a male hooker and did illegal substances. No, it's his WIFE'S fault!

I hope she dumps him.

[Dr.Phool]

47. And I hope she gets a VERY LARGE divorce settlement.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

40. She shoulda' bought that strap-on dildo to keep Teddy at home.

And, some crank to keep him pepped up.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

59. hehe

o youre bad!

[TallahasseeGrannie]

41. I'd like to get together a bunch of my

fat, let-themselves-go friends and visit this guy.

But I just wonder, when we let ourselves GO, just where do we go TO? Could it be independence? Freedom? Or just to life?

[Joanie Baloney]

42. The happy couple and the ironic quote from the Missus

Gayle on working with Ted: "It's very satisfying to a man to have a woman who joins herself to him, who cares about how she comes across so that she is making him look good--and I mean that all in the most positive sense--not faking or hiding anything, just very innocently and very purely loving each other in front of the world."



Sucks to be her. :(

[Rose Siding]

54. It really, really does

"Sucks to be her."

:(

[SlavesandBulldozers]

62. wow she looks pretty good in this picture.

you can tell she hasn't been laid in years, but she looks pretty damn good.

i bet in many ways this is a relief to her. knowing that the lie is over and she can finally go get banged by that latin guy she's had her eyes on lol.

[Missy Vixen]

77. I can only hope that Mrs. Haggart

remains healthy and files for divorce ASAP. She (and her children,) deserve better than this.

As for the good pastor Driscoll -- if I attended that church, I would be contacting the board members tomorrow and asking some very pointed questions about the pastor's personal life. His "list" of do's and don't's made the hair stand up on the back of my neck.

Julie

[B Calm]

44. I wonder if Ted's dad took a shower with him when he was a kid...

[femrap]

45. Someone needs to remove the testicles of

pastor Driscoll....and I bet his wife would say "HALLA-FUCKING-LEUJAH!!!!"

Don't tell me that the Repugnants don't have a WAR AGAINST WOMEN.

f*cking assholes.

[atommom]

46. They really do seem to be full of fear and fascination

when it comes to gay sex. I've heard many fundamentalists speak of gay sex as if it were so tempting that we all need to be shielded from any mention of it. I think it's only a temptation to those who are naturally wired that way, and only considered a threat by those who are trying to bottle up those urges.

[seabeyond]

49. pig..... oink oink n/t

[Clark2008]

58. Even if this wasn't the stupidest piece of crap I've read all day,

I'd still like to know what in the hell he means - Gayle Haggard is hardly fat.

Good Lord, indeed!

[Dangerously Amused]

61. Pastor Driscoll desperately needs our counseling.

Mars Hill Church Contact Information

To make a pastoral care or counseling appointment, call [phone] or email [e-mail].


Mars Hill Church
1401 NW Leary Way
Seattle, WA 98107

[phone]

Fax: [phone]

[NorthernSpy]

89. brief, blunt counseling upside the head...

... is what he deserves. But of course we must leave that to Fate and the Furies.

Though I wouldn't blame Mrs. Haggard if she wanted to smack this little prick.

[guinivere]

97. Counseling? How about a frying pan upside the head.

How dare that ignorant little prick blame the wife!

I hope she get a HUGE divorce settlement. Money's no substitute for your pride. It can't take away the humiliation and shock from her and the kids, but it can help her rebuild her family's life.

[ljm2002]

63. Okay, fundie wives...

...take note.

You agreed to suppress your own identities and be obedient to your husbands.

And should they betray you in the basest fashion, your reward will be to take all the blame and all the shame.

Well, I could have told you what a great deal you were making in the first place. Somehow I don't think you would have listened.

I really, really wonder if any of them are sitting up and taking notice right about now.

[Tom Joad]

64. Part of this reminds me of what Rev Jim Casy told me....

From the Huffington Post article:
But mostly what I've learned from Pastor Driscoll's sage advice is that becoming a pastor is a great way to meet women. (And men, I guess.) Apparently, the ladies think pastors are hot:

"I have, however, seen some very overt opportunities for sin. On one occasion I actually had a young woman put a note into my shirt pocket while I was serving communion with my wife, asking me to have dinner, a massage, and sex with her. On another occasion a young woman emailed me a photo of herself topless and wanted to know if I liked her body. Thankfully, that email was intercepted by an assistant and never got to me."

Now this is what Jim Casy told me(you may have read this in my story, The Grapes of Wrath)
Jim told me: That often after one of those big revival meetings...
"I used to get people jumpin' and talkin in tounges, an glory-shoutin till they just fell down an passed out. An some i'd bqaptize to bring 'em to. and then- you know what i'd do? I'd take one of them girls out in the grass, a I'd lay with her. Done it every time. Come the next time, them and me full of the spirit, I'd do it again. I figgered there just wasn't no hope for me, and i was a damned ol' hypocrite. But i didn't mean to be."

He came to this conclusion:
"maybe it aint a sin. maybe it's just the way folks is. maybe we been whippin the hell out of ourselves for nothin'

I feel more than a little sorry for Haggard, that he couldn't find it in himself to accept who he was, and so many in our culture who would accept who he was.

[William Bloode]

65. It may be true.

When i got fat my wife brought home a girlfriend, and she ain't left yet. It's ok with me though, they like to share.:woohoo:

[spooky3]

68. What I want to know is

"Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual conversations and liberties with their wives."

How did the good Pastor Mark know this? Do they all sit around emailing each other about the most intimate details of their marriages? If so, how sick is that? And if "most" pastors have not chatted with him about their sex lives, why is he pulling this out of his ass?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

71. This just seems like one of those things where the guy would have been better off not

saying anything at all, know what I mean?

[spooky3]

74. sure do (nt)

[Zorra]

69. Why, it's totally obvious. It's Clinton's fault. n/t

[Rockholm]

73. "Trapped into fidelity" Wow, that's a new one.

So much for the religious right's battle cry on the sanctity of marriage. I hope the good folks of Colorado defeat the marriage amendment. What a pile of crap.

[spooky3]

75. guess they didn't mean it when they said "beauty's only skin deep"

either, did they?

[renate]

81. excellent point!

The rest of his ramblings are so flawed that that statement got right by me.

His verbal fart was really revealing. And hostile.

[seabeyond]

87. i emphasized the trapped in fidelity shit.... and coming from a minister

at that.... when reading to hubby. he couldn't get around the sex with male, wife fault part, ... lol

[Diane R]

79. Driscoll's Mars Church is a near cult....and he is a misogynist.

I have been following this church ever since one of my best friends' son was a member. The son rose through the ranks and was nearly a 'Deacon' when he asked the wrong question. Even though he and his wife had been long time members and were dutifully having lots of children, they were 'shunned' by the congregation on Driscoll's orders.

There have been many interesting articles about this church. Here are a few.

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=32140 (This article is the best).

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2006/09/13/righteous/index_np.html

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/238406_marshill29.html


I've heard that Driscoll's wife appears to be very depressed. Many women in this congregation are attracted to the church because of the free-thinking 'rock and roll' sermons, but seem to become brainwashed and give up their careers to stay home, have babies and home school. Think Andrea Yates.

Driscoll has stated his goal is for the congregation to have so many children that they shift the political 'tilt' of Seattle away from it's liberal tendencies.

I would not be at all surprised to hear that Driscoll and Haggart have been 'close'.

[I Have A Dream]

127. Oh, thank you for this! I read about him in Salon but I didn't know that...

it as the same person.

[goodboy]

80. Let's see...Driscoll said, "Lean over the plate" And "take one for the team"

Seems like there's been quite a lot of "leaning over" going on...

and as far as "taking one for the team"

What team is he talking about???


The innuendo is strong with this one, Yoda.

[knitter4democracy]

83. I have known many pastor's wives. He's a lying idiot.

First of all, I have never, not once, known a pastor's wife who has "let herself go." Not one. Every one I've known, including the Christian Ed majors who ended up becoming pastor's wives, has been meticulous in her appearance, almost too much, if you ask me.

"Trapped into fidelty"? Excuse me, but he's apparently forgetting all those women who throw themselves at the pastors everyday. Not a pastor's wife I've known has ever forgotten that and keeps a close eye on the women in the church and her husband. There's temptation every day, and the wives have to keep an eye out for it. I know one pastor who refuses to meet with a woman if there's no one else in the office, and I think that's the smartest way to go. How many pastors have run off with the choir director or someone else's wife or the church secretary? Sheesh, he's an idiot.

Pastors often go on retreats together, but he's such a damn misogynist that he hasn't talked with the wives at all, it sounds like. Oh, and it was common knowledge at our college that the religion majors were the biggest pervs and horniest guys. More than one had a quick wedding over the summer, only to have his wife give birth six months later or less. They weren't the biggest partiers (that was the baseball team), but they were constantly on the prowl for their next sexual partner.

[YOY]

84. You know, the first thing I think of when my wife is not in the mood/thin as she used to be

: Meth and Gay Sex


:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[IronLionZion]

86. Gayle Haggard

certainly does not look like a woman who has "let herself go". More likely, the mistake she made was marrying a self-hating gay homophobe. I don't know about her attitude and sex drive, but somehow I don't think she is the problem in their relationship.



On that note, I do believe everyone needs to have free and open conversations about these types of things. Not doing so leads to irrational and stupid behavior followed by the inevitable humiliation and heart break. Too many of my buddies worship their wives at the office but won't hardly even talk to her when they get home. And they'll have 101 excuses for it.

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[davidinalameda]

121. she's hugh!!!!111

sorry couldn't resist

[NorthernSpy]

88. New Rule: if wives "owe" it to their husbands to stay hot...

... then husbands owe it to their wives to get rich. Finances are just as much a part of marriage as sex is. And if it's reasonable for a man to marry a woman believing that she'll stay teen-cute and tight-bodied (even after twenty years and five kids), then it's also reasonable for a woman to marry a man believing that he'll do whatever it takes to make their family marvellously affluent.

If we apply Driscoll Thought, we soon understand that a man who fails to achieve wealth and success has only himself to blame if his wife leaves and takes up with some rich dude.

Sucks to be objectified, doesn't it?


:eyes:

[kdpeters]

91. Not very christlike at all

His suggestions seem to be built around keeping away from the 'wrong people'. Could someone refresh my memory? Who did Jesus tell us were the wrong people we should stay away from? I don't remember that part.

[boolean]

92. LOL!!!!!!

These people are fucking assholes.

[gully]

94. So f-ing typical of these deluded savages. The woman is to blame

if her husband strays, beats her, molests children.

[hopein08]

96. What is this "Song of Songs"?

I'm lost on this reference.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

107. Song of Solomon

The Song of Solomon or Song of Songs (Hebrew title שיר השירים, Shir ha-Shirim) is a book of the Hebrew Bible—Tanakh or Old Testament—one of the five megillot. It is also sometimes called by its title in the Vulgate, Canticum Canticorum, the "Canticle of Canticles." The title is later than the text <1>. The book consists of a cycle of poems about erotic love, largely in the form of a dialogue between a bridegroom and a bride. The Song of Solomon is not quoted by New Testament writers.

The text, read without allegory as a celebration of sexual love, appears to alternate between addressing a male object of affection and a female one. Some scholars suggest that the poems may be a series of antiphonal remarks and responses between a male and female pair, possibly created by one author rather than reflecting a genuine series of exchanged poems. Other scholars suggest that it is a collection of originally more independent poetry.

The name of the book comes from the first verse, "The Song of songs, which is of (or for) Solomon." Some believe the title "song of songs" attests to the greatness of the book. Rabbi Akiba declared, "Heaven forbid that any man in Israel ever disputed that the Song of Songs is holy. For the whole world is not worth the day on which the Song of Songs was given to Israel, for all the Writings are holy and the Song of Songs is holy of holies. (Mishnah Yadayim 3:5). Similarly, Martin Luther called it "das Hohelied," meaning, "the high song." <2>

more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_of_Solomon

[Roy]

99. Not cuz she is fat or lazy, but cuz she is not a man!!!! n/t

[Sparkly]

100. Do the male preachers ever "let themselves go," too?

Nah... Not much.



Hey Mark -- Ya might wanna watch your waistline...

[Spirochete]

101. If she'd only had the common consideration

to grow a penis, he may not have had to go seeking gay sex. So yes - it is her fault. :eyes:

[Fleshdancer]

102. so it ISN'T the fault of the almighty Clenis this time???!!?!??

What a dipshit. :eyes:

[JerseygirlCT]

104. Subjugation of women is absolutely central to these people's

view of the world.

Man must be dominant. If mistakes are made, the devil made him do it. Or a woman.

There's no humility here, no recognition of human frailty, no real plea for forgiveness.

It will be his wife's fault, but more than that, it will be the fault of his deep, disgusting problem -- homosexuality. Once again, they'll use the immorality of one of their own to attack another group.

It's not that he's a lying, adultering, illegal drug-using hypocrite. It's his wife letting herself go, and those evil satanic homosexual urges.

Sickening.

[JitterbugPerfume]

105. mysogeny is

alive and well at DU

[Klukie]

106. Jesus H. Christ......

This is twisted on so many levels.:mad:

[Turn CO Blue]

108. Driscoll needs to open his eyes. Haggard's wife is LOVELY

and did not "let herself go" -- I have seen her on the local news during one of Haggard's interviews, and even under trying circumstances she looked very pretty.

Of course, BESIDES THAT, Pastor Drisoll, should we not love and cherish and yes touch and love our spouses out of finer, loftier emotions than JUST LUST, you freakin' hypocritical fundie!?!

I cannot stand it when fundies try to give marital advice! They are so stupid and repressed!

[mcg]

112. Yes, she's beautiful, this video proves it....

Ted Haggard admits he bought Meth from gay prostitute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_dQ5KJ8rgA&NR

On top of all this she doesn't deserve to be insulted.

[adamuu]

109. its a shame some women might actually blame themselves

that's part of the ignorance what we're fighting against.
nice to see Dobson perpetuate it, here :sarcasm:

Editted for passive voice.

[Blue_Tires]

110. shameful n/t

[cui bono]

115. Wow. Does the bible not say ANYTHING about taking reponsibility for

one's own actions???

[Stardust]

117. She doesn't look fat to me, and with 5 kids, I sincerely doubt she's lazy.

[goforit]

118. What a pathetic excuse!!! The Anti woman atmosphere is juvenile!

[Nikki Stone1]

120. New Weight Watchers ad: LOSE THE WEIGHT OR HUBBY TURNS GAY!

Hmmm... Wonder how that would feed the diet industry?

[stanwyck]

131. ROFL. Thanks! n/t

[cool user name]

122. This is too good to be true ...

:lmao:

[malaise]

123. Most pastors I know do not have satisfying

free, sexual conversations and liberties with their wives.
------
Damn hubby just saw this and said maybe we don't have those problems because we have no religion. How fugging repressed are these people!

[neebob]

132. And yet they know all about their pastor buddies' sex lives

Ya gotta wonder how.

[Pacifist Patriot]

136. As a minister, what I find hilarious about this whole thing...

is that I've had conversations about sex with fellow pastors and everyone I know considers it a damn fine gift from God/Universal Consciousness/Truth. I'm thinking this is an extreme right wing hang up and these folks could use some input from the liberal clergy. :)

[FatDave]

137. Very good point

I don't think these clowns are Christians. I think they're puritans.

[Marr]

125. More of that famous conservative "personal responsibility" there.

[greiner3]

128. I remember;

When it was advice to wives to wear nothing but saran wrap and meet their husbands at the door clad as such, carrying his pipe, paper and martini for him to enjoy. Welcome to the enlightened age; 1384 ace (after the christian era).

[neebob]

130. Hey, it's hard to decide what to do

while waiting for your wonderful husband, Dick Smoker, to come home and possibly reward your patience with some of that infrequent, bad sex - work out and have a facial, or just be depressed and eat.

[Pacifist Patriot]

134. Misogynist bastard can kiss my ass.

There is no rational response to such tripe.

[VeggieTart]

135. I am not one to advocate violence

But it would serve Mr. Driscoll right if Mrs. Driscoll and Mrs. Haggard got together and each coshed him upside the head with a cast-iron skillet. Go ahead, Mr. Driscoll, take one for the team. Preferably in the balls, you lowlife misogynist scumbag!