Re: Saddam's Railroading, a Flash I made PRE- Shock and Awe - 50% kids in Iraq then.

[symbolman]

SO MANY Coincidences going on right before this election.

Rummy gets a FUCK YOU from the Military in Military Times asking him to STEP DOWN.

Bechtel (gee, isn't that a RUMMY company?) decides Iraq can go fuck itself, Takes over 2 Billion and DOESN'T Rebuild, they're SPLITTING from Iraq.

And Saddam gets sentenced to be HUNG for his Crimes, when there's a distinct possibility that Bush killed MORE people than Saddam did. Funny seeing a Kangaroo Court in Iraq instead of Australia.

And ALL before the Dems are polling to take the House and Maybe the Senate.

Bush's old Western style Justice - "We're gonna give ya a fair trial, and THEN we're gonna Hang Ya.."

Bush must be so proud, gee and he tried to kill Saddam ten minutes before he officially graduated from a serial killer to a Mass Murderer with his little Shock and Awe treat for people SO BEAT DOWN, they had NOTHING to lose but their lives.

REMEMBER, when Bush gave the Order for Shock and Awe that 50% of the population of Iraq was 15 years of age or YOUNGER.

Foley only wants to fuck youngsters, Bush LOVES to KILL THEM.

Anyone know if Bush has Killed More people than Saddam ever did? Despite the numbers being bandied about, I'm pretty damn sure he'd FUcking CLOSE to beating Saddam, and now even has HIS OWN TORTURE ROOMS.

HERE is a Work I made in Flash in Feb of 2003 to PROTEST Bush possibly using Shock and Awe on those poor KIDS there:

http://www.tbtmradio.com/geeklog/public_html/staticpages/index.php?page=20040606202455535

Turn up those speakers and Pass it around as you see fit.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

1. This is all I have to say.

[symbolman]

2. Yep

this DEAL was Sealed a LONG time ago.

Same crowd then as now, only this time they used our treasury as their personal ATM machine. :)

Good call, thanks for posting that...

[Birthmark]

3. Saddam got justice

There's no doubt that he was a brutal thug. The trial, whether fair or not, ended the way it should have.

That said, the obvious political timing is appalling.

[symbolman]

4. I can think of other people that should be held accountable

there are NEW torture rooms and they aren't controlled by Saddam, but MERCENARIES HIRED BY BUSHCO.

What has Changed for these people? They actually in many ways have it WORSE, and with Bechtel pulling up stakes, the electricity and water they Never got, they are NEVER going to GET, but Bechtel will walk away with a STUNNING 2.X BILLION Dollars.

[Birthmark]

5. I agree with much of that

But none of it changes the fact that Saddam was/is a brutal, murderous thug. While I'm against the DP, I have to say that if it is to be used there are few better candidates than Saddam.

All those issues you raise can, and hopefully will, be dealt with...in time.

[Hissyspit]

6. No sham trial is just.

The chief judge was removed and replaced by the GOVERNMENT.

[Birthmark]

7. Do you doubt Saddam's guilt? Seriously?

Perhaps idealistically things didn't go according to the high-minded way that you (and I) might like. However, there's no doubt that when Saddam is hanged it will be a case of the right man in the right place.

[symbolman]

8. Okay, then WHERE are all the rest of the DESPOTS

world wide? What? NO OIL? Gee, guess we'll let the 60 or more DESPOTS just keep on keepin' on.

If it's not a FAIR TRIAL you create a MARTYR, NOT a man served by Justice.

But since there is NO Justice where Bush is concerned, I'm more worried about MY NECK.

This was sheer FOLLY and does NO JUSTICE to those he MURDERED. And that' the point I think.

[Birthmark]

9. We seem to have a difference of opinon ;)

I view it this way: Justice can be divided into two parts - process and outcome. In Saddam's case, the outcome was 100% correct, though the process left something to be desired.

I understand that there will be those who think that both portions are important. I even agree...on a somewhat sliding scale. I think that the more obvious it is that we've got the right guy (and in Saddam's case it is a surety), the less we need to concern ourselves with the process. The less sure we are of guilt, the more attention to process should be paid. (Anything less than surety, incidentally, IMMEDIATELY makes process vital, imo.)

Frankly, had I been President Saddam would have been shot when he was found. "Attempting to escape" seems pretty plausible. Why that's not the way it happened...just one more Bush botch, I guess.


(On an unrelated note, I am a big fan of yours and enjoy reading your posts.)

[symbolman]

10. Thanks

My difference may lay in the fact that if we don't have a squeaky CLEAN trial then WE are just as guilty to those who we claim to be Protecting with this trial.

There should be NO evidence of impropriety as the whole world is watching.

Granted I would have driven the car that drug Mussolini and his whore all over town that delicious day they were treated with the same regard they held for their own citizens, but WE are supposed to walk that higher road, then NO ONE can say that we didn't give the guy a TRUE Trial.

Otherwise it's just frontier justice, everyone knows we APPOINTED a Judge who in some ways might have been killed by US if he hadn't given the verdict we required, and a political one at that.

I'd really have rathered that they sentenced him to go back into his spider hole and live there the rest of his life in his underoos.

Make him a JOKE instead of another cheap kill. Maybe turn him loose in Idaho in the mountains, and let nature take it's course.

You can ALWAYS shoot them for running :) all you need is ONE FENCE.

[Birthmark]

11. Okay. You're taking a wider view.

I get it. I'm just looking at Saddam's sentence in small, utilitarian terms. (I suffer from latent utilitarianism. Shh! Don't out me!) "The right man in the right place" is really the core of my opinion.

You are concerned with the perception of the US as a result of the trial, I think. Normally, I think that that would be my view as well. However, I think that in this case it doesn't matter as much. Here's why: I think we lost when we decided to try him in Iraq rather than the World Court. So, I think that that ship sailed long ago.

Still, that "trying to escape" thing would have solved a lot of problems.

[RC]

12. The end does not justify the means.

A fair & open trial at the Hague. Let the secrets out about this country and Saddam and how he got to be in power in the first place. We hired Saddam to do what he was doing. We supplied Saddam.(bu$h 41 + WMD) The shit just hit the fan when jr and his magic reverse Midis Touch, touched the powder keg that Saddam was holding together. We, the US, along with Great Britain, are responsible since the 1920's for the powder keg that is Iraq. Saddam was just another tool.

[symbolman]

13. Kick

before the elections!