DAILY OAXACA NEWS THREAD Sunday Nov 5 06 Issue #2

[Wiley50]

Friends,
I have decided that the best way to facilitate my volunteered position as a "funnel" to try
to smuggle news around the corporate media blackout of the heroic struggle of the oppressed people of Oaxaca
is to produce a daily news thread similar to the one produced in the ER&D forum.

All are invited to post new information into this thread as it becomes available and I will continue to do the same.

I would request that those here who do not support this struggle to not kick this thread, but, instead,
start your own thread.

I realize that our First Priority here at DU is to win what I hope this time is a fair and honest election on Tuesday and take
a majority in at least one house of congress, thereby, being able to bind at least one hand of the corrupt and fascist Bush Administration and begin the investigations to expose and remove them peacefully. I, in no way, wish to distract anyone from this urgent endeavor.
However, although the polls and negative GOP news look very promising, the past electronic corruption and nasty suppression
that have occured in the last three elections, seems sure to be repeated this time, despite our best efforts and the almost miraculous reporting (finally) of the Infernal machines (in spanish: Machinas Infernale) in the mass media. ( These animals are cornered, desperate and they were vicious all along)

Therefore, should we awake Wednesday morning with the GOP still in full control of both houses and reports of
wide-spread election fraud and other corruption, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE HOW WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION> I, FOR ONE, DO NOT INTEND TO SIT ON MY HANDS THIS TIME! AND I HOPE I HAVE MANY COMPADRES!

Here we have the HEROIC EXAMPLE OF THE PEOPLE OF OAXACA MEXICO WHO, IMHO, OBVIOUSLY ARE DOING IT RIGHT!

Relevent Links:

APPO
http://www.asambleapopulardeoaxaca.com /
website of the revolution in spanish

OSAG
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oaxacastudyactiongroup /
Oaxaca Study Action Group in english and spanish, but mainly english

Radio Universidad/ Radio APPO


Current list of mirror streams (spanish)

http://stream.wrct.org:8000/appo.mp3.m3u
http://208.99.202.72:8000/appo.mp3.m3u
http://vancouver.indymedia.org:8000/appo.mp3.m3u
http://freeit.org:8000/appo.mp3.m3u
http://webradio.podzone.net:8000/appo.mp3.m3u
http://vancouver.indymedia.org:8000/appo.mp3.m3u
http://compi.ath.cx:8000/appo.mp3.m3u
http://radio.indymedia.org:8000/appo.mp3.m3u
http://ahimsa-radio1.indymedia.org:8300/appo.mp3.m3u
http://stream.r23.cc:2323/appo.mp3.m3u

Live Text English Translation
(refresh every 20 seconds)

http://www.iteration.org/radioappo.txt

CONTACT INFORMATION

RADIO UNIVERSIDAD
UABJO
Av. Universidad S/N Ex-Hacienda de 5 Señores, C.P.
68120, Oaxaca de Juárez, Oax.
Tels. 01 (951) 516 58 43, 516 57 83, 516 53 44

-http://www.uabjo.mx/radio/radioOnLine.php

ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE DONATIONS THAT WOULD BE BOTH GREATLY NEEDED AND APPRECIATED
AS WELL AS TAX DEDUCTABLE AS RADIO UNIVERSIDAD IS PART OF THE UNIVERSITY
BUT YOU WOULD BE ACTUALLY HELPING THE APPO PEOPLE"S MOVEMENT AS THE STATION
DISTRIBUTES FOOD AND SUPPLIES TO THOSE IN NEED, PLEASE MAIL<WIRE OR CONTACT DIRECTLY

You can Email Radio APPO directly to the announcers and send messages of support
(helpful if you can write in spanish but they do have some translators there at times

Radio@http://www.asambleapopulardeoaxaca.com /

If You Have IRC you can also get translation on channel #radioappo,#oaxaca,#oaxacatrans,and #mexico
#radioappo is STRICTLY TRANSLATION OF RADIO UNIVERSIDAD NO TALKING NO CHAT

If you want your own quick and awful translation, I'm using Babelfish:

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

[Wiley50]

1. VIDEO: Entry of PFP into Oaxaca

I just found this video of the entry into Oaxaca last Sunday
of the Federal Preventive Police (PFP) kinda like our national guard
The video runs 9:40 and has aerial shots from choppers as well as street level action
I've never seen so many guys dressed like Darth Vader in all my life
I just found it but, I think it's appropriate to start today's thread with
as today could be more of the same. Only multiplied by about two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m-wI7UWY9M&mode=related&search=

APPO has called for their Sixth MegaMarch at 11 AM today in Oaxaca
Judging by all the busses of demonstrators from all over the country arriving for it
and all the PFP Boeing troop transport planes that were arriving all day yesterday
It's shaping up to be quite a rumble

[symbolman]

2. Wiley50

I just want to thank you for your courage and strength, the solidarity of your resolve is an inspiration to us all, I have not had time to follow all of this, but DAMN I am so glad that SOMEONE is on this, the media of course have better things to do, like show up shark attacks or little missing blonde girls.

These Poor BRAVE people. It is a SIN what is happening, but at least THEY get UP off their damn couches and HIT THE STREETS while many americans can't be bothered to FIGHT for THIS country.

Thanks so much, just so you know, you are appreciate by More people than YOU KNOW :)

[Wiley50]

3. WOW Symbolman, coming from you I am Deeply Honored

The stuff you do is so much more than I could ever have the talent for.

It's like this. I'm disabled, my car is broke, and at the moment all I have to offer is my time and my wireless data card.
So, I'm kinda useless for helping with GOTV.
I'll vote on Tuesday. Sure hope it counts

Well, I guess I'll just have to work double hard at this today

again thanks

wiley

[symbolman]

6. Considering the circumstances under which you are doing

all of this you have MORE respect from me than words can say. I know how tough it can be, I've got arthritis of the spine myself, one of those Pain Persons, it takes all the MORE GUTS to do what you are doing.

Can't thank you enough.

[Wiley50]

4. MORE VIDEOS at YouTube

There are about 20 more at YouTube

Here's a couple more


Oaxaca Oct 30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ksu20B_6QJI&search=appo%20conflicto%20oaxaca%20maestros%20pf

The victory of The People protecting the Radio Universidad Last Thursday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf6H_sxCx3k&search=appo%20conflicto%20oaxaca%20maestros%20pfp

[Wiley50]

5. Where are the Caravans?

from Vientos.info
Trans by Babelfish

By Juan Blunt Pablo

Today in the morning o'clock of the 11:30 Radio University he announced that from the city of Mexico oaxaqueño left a caravan companions in the direction of the city of Oaxaca in order to support the movement of the town and to show its inconformidad by the violence situation and state of siege that is lived in this city, mainly from the arrival of Polici'a Federal Preventiva (PFP) the past Saturday 28 of October.

This caravan left from the Chamber for Juárez in the Federal District and tapeworm like objective to arrive at this city near the 5 of afternoon, nevertheless for the 4:30 the rumors that they had been stopped in the passage were confirmed, because the Legal Group against the Repression in Oaxaca, indicated that this caravan had been retained in the municipality of Nochixtlan, which is 45 minutes of this city.
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[Wiley50]

7. And It Follows the Quadrant Walking.... (about jambing of Radio Appo

from Vientos.info
trans: Babelfish

Leopoldo Hernández/Zapateando

2:00 a.m. of the 5 of November. In hours it will be the sixth mega marches in the city of Oaxaca demanding the resignation of Ulises Ruiz. Radio University is been summoning the Oaxaqueño town to meet in the monument to Benito Juárez of the cruise of Viguera.

1400 khz of Modulated Amplitude. Radio University. If we tuned it first that receives to us is a sintetizador simulating a frenetic violin in going and coming on the same ones tonadas. This hard about 30 second, later, in an arrhythmic cut, your rrún your rrún your rrún of a drum, an acute estridente shout and again the violin in its frenzy. This is the intervention of the signal of Radio University.
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[Wiley50]

8. Interactive Map of Oaxaca

http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/oaxaca/mapoaxaca.html

[Wiley50]

9. An Aveue in the Capital

http://vientos.info/cml/?q=pdfview/view/6334 (PDF in spanish)
page one trans:Babelfish

An Avenue of the By Capital anónimo Published: 2006-11-05 02:53 C. bado RojoSà 4 of November. To see, I fear to introduce much what I feel at the time of writing these lÃneas, but it bothers me what Ulises RuÃz walks declaring to the press. Cómo that the social problem in Oaxaca is reduced to an avenue of the capital, â?oedonde està the point à lgidoâ, and that not habrà adjustment of accounts to the APPO and the teaching. We go by parts. The three members of Zapateando that we are toiling periodÃsticamente aquÃen Oaxaca we have crossed, on foot, several colonies of the city. In a certain sense, not it has policÃa, that is to say, security està into the hands of citizens, who in their streets have placed blankets that say, for example, â?oecuidado ratero, the neighbors you vigilanâ. And in several sites of the city there are many dots in the walls that demand the exit of Ulises Ruiz and they señalan it like â?oerepresorâ, â?oeasesinoâ? and â?oerataâ. The denunciations of represión (in Radio University of Oaxaca), detención illegal and harassment of porros priÃstas, policÃas and the military, civilian dresses, to población that it gets along with, and are part of, the movement of the APPO, come not sólo from diverse points of the city, but también of diverse communities oaxaqueñas. That is to say, cómo to reduce to an avenue of the city the resistance of the town of Oaxaca. In the Seat of Santo Domingo, cultural and turÃstico center of the capital està plantón of the teaching of Sección 22, sector that detonó the movement. In University City the students està n still on of fight defending the University and supporting the Popular Assembly of the Town of Oaxaca (APPO). Cómo to reduce to an avenue the social movement in Oaxaca. Cómo. On the other hand, we have platicado with several teachers and they have said to us that for mà s of two months they have not been receiving its pay and that its service of health has been suspended to them. In agreement with them disappear and death roll, stopped, are teachers and members of the APPO, then, cómo says to Ulises Ruiz who not habrà adjustment of accounts if in fact already there is it. To leguas contradicción of the governing poor man of Oaxaca notices, to that the Supreme Court of Justice of the Nación him negó this week two constitutional controversies against I exhort of cà maras of Deputies and Senators so that it leaves the governor position. Nevertheless foolish Ulises estÃ, él is not wanted to go. And its presence, like the one of PolicÃa Federal Preventiva (PFP), sólo està causing mà s damage within the society oaxaqueña. Today for example, Radio University denunció which to the 7:30 of the mañana they stopped the White teacher Canseco Méndez, of delegación 197 of Tlacolula (municipality outskirts) and to the student of the Faculty of PolÃticas Sciences of the UNAM, Red Jaimes Guzmà n. Both was stopped by policÃas in the powerboat of Nochixtlà n (entered to the capital), and until now does not know dónde are and in qué situación està n. Before these facts, the teachers and teachers, mà s of 600, the Plantón in Santo Domingo, summoned to two marches that were made during dÃa around the Histórico Center of the city, taken by mà s of thousand elements of the PFP. The main demands of this movilización were to demand presentación safe and sound of the teacher, compañera of them, and the student of the UNAM. Before these facts that we see and we listened in the Oaxaca city, memory a proverb à rabe: â?oeLa cruelty is the force of cobardes.â? And the exégesis of my reminiscencia is the one that follows: Ulises Ruiz is cowardly before the resistance and a fight of the town oaxaqueño and must go to the brute force, the cruelty, to represión, to try to overcome this people who està tired of él. and not sólo this, its cruelty goes of the hand with the lie, like that of which the conflict is reduced to â?oeuna reconciled of capitalâ??.P.D.Para dÃa of today, because already he is madruga of Sunday 5, is had programmed one megamarcha from the 9:00 hours, with participación of the APPO, the teaching of Oaxaca, and diverse contingents that have gone to this organization from the State of México, the District Federal and Chiapas, among other places of paÃs. Page 1

[gorbal]

78. I have more luck with google translator

Bable fish leaves things out, google just makes hilarious mistakes sometimes.

[Wiley50]

10. Photo of Oaxaca Solidarity March in BERLIN

[Wiley50]

11. Explanation of Trans Links and IRC

From OSAG
(This guy is from the Netherlands. Somehow, he got the idea (I have no idea) that
someone at DU was doing the iteration.org english text Translation OF RADIO APPO
It is someone at Indymedia that is doing it. I set him straight.

But he's got a bunch of links and How-twos

Here goes:

Explanation new quick translation news pages; Re: New Engliah text iteration.

Dear Max & other readers,

It's new and Google can take up to some days (or even never if they don't like to cover the link)

And I'm NOT sure if its from indymedia.org or D.U., or whoever is the "owner".
Maybe D.U. has more to do with relaying the other irc.indymedia.org "chat" channel on http://iternation.org/radioappo.txt TOWARDS http://Indybay.org (?)
Anyway; activists from the whole work are working together around these channels, chats, transcripts and sites.

Raw pre-log of this evenings events (PFP disturbing caravan + radio interfering and so on + setting the channel up):
http://cxs2.info/w/index.php?title=IRC_oaxacatrans_RAW_first

Same EDITED pre-log version (adviced, instead of above one!):
http://cxs2.info/w/index.php?title=IRC_oaxacatrans_first

Rigt now its quiet on the official LOG FILE, with what is going on and activists taking rest sometimes too. (Europe start awakening in a few hours).

Its a log of a IRC "chat" channel #oaxacatrans (-lation), where quick news (radiostations, sites, a.s.o.) can be translated from Spanish to English (that is the first task/idea). So thers can relay the english info to websites, like english pages on spanish websites, or Indybay.
Radio Universidad showed not that much information today; most info came form other sources. Therefor is #oaxacatrans, because #radioappo is meant for radio APPPO translations only.
The log files on a normal site, make it easy for most internet users, who don't use IRC/chat. Next to that; the history is logged/remained. On chat there is no history when one logs in.

The chat is from the server irc.indymedia.org.
You can log in without IRC/chat program using this link:
http://chat.indymedia.org/?chans=radioappo,oaxaca,mexico,indymedia,oaxacatrans,radio

Or: Dowload a IRC/chat program, like mIRC:
http://mirc.com
After installing, fill somewhere in:
IRC (chat) server = irc.indymedia.org
Channel = #radioappo, oaxaca, mexico, oaxacatrans, radio, indymedia
More info/sites with radio logfiles & very fast news:
http://cxs2.info/w/index.php?title=Radio_Oaxaca#Continous_Live_Radio_APPO_Transcript

TOMORROW MIGHT BE THE DAY...
So hope this preliminary organisational work of many people, is ready for it in time and can proof its practical use.
There are many thousands of PFP and some 'military' checkpoint to check all manifestants first. It could become a much heavier battle than last one, also because some APO people want to retake the lost barricades and PRD supports this MegaMarcha.

For the ones that dislike AMLO doesn't fully support all he protest and barricades: This is strategy. He will be 'shot' politically in the manipulated press, that he is supporting vandals, terrorists, communists, destroying Mexico and so on.
So that will do this movement not any good either right now.
But he steps in; step by step. The more violence police and militaries use and the more demonstrators NOT starting fighting back with firearms a.s.o. at this point...
-> Then he wil step in and then the movement has sufficient support from a broader public.

And this is going to coïncede with the elections in the USA on Nov. 7th. Many think the elections will also in the USA be falsified again. That because of voting computers, installed by Republican companies. And some expect a false flag 911 alike terror act, at the last moment to change the vote.
(possble hint: Dec 7th 1941 sunk the USS Arizona, almost 65 years ago, minus one month & secretly appr. 5 powerfull fleets have been build up in front of Iran and Meditarian).

Regards, Mark

[Wiley50]

12. EPR ( mexican armed resistance, not APPO) PRESS RELEASE 11/03/06

Official notice of the Popular Army Revolucinario (EPR). Oaxaca de Juárez, 3 of October of 2006. TO THE OAXACA TOWN. TO THE TOWN OF MEXICO. To The TOWNS Of the WORLD. To NATIONAL And INTERNATIONAL MASS MEDIA. To The DEFENDING ORGANISMS OF The Human rights. SISTERS, BROTHERS, COMRADES. This 2 of November oaxaqueño has been an historical day for the town, has been a demonstration of the implementation of forms of fights that are adapted to the conjuncture and the enemy of class; we had already said in last days, the fight to it as soon as it begins and this becomes evident in as our town today house of studies has been gotten up determining in the defense of our Maxima. This 2 of glorious and victorious November, are not more than the instrumentation of the creativity, value, revolt and dignity. For us it is the popular self-defense that has taken root in the heart and the conscience of the oaxaqueños. Radio University today has become the bastion of the dignity, and therefore we must defend it at the cost of which it is; The popular self-defense and resistance are the only guarantee to safeguard our rights and our university autonomy. The huída one of the PFP of University City, was not a tactical retreat as it maintains to Eduardo Medina Moor, was not because they had already reached his objective to open the barricade of 5 gentlemen as also Ardelio argues Vargas. NonGentlemen Assassins! the supposed crease is not but that the inefficiency police-military man to contain a town that gets up itself massively stops to defend its children, their ground and to demand the exit of Ulises Ruiz; its crease is simply huída before the worthy defense of a whole the town, this crease simply is a defeat of the PFP. Fox and Calderón will be being been mistaking again, when wanting to solve the social conflict in which we lived by means of the force, understand that when a town raises the voice and the fist it is impossible to defeat it, understand that when a town assimilates the implementation of some forms of fight to defend its interests, nobody, nor the PFP will be able to overcome them; today the social displeasure deepens by its complicity with Ulises Ruiz and the levelling of the PFP of our state, if they persist in maintaining to Ulises Ruiz with the help of the PFP in Oaxaca, has by insurance that the popular resistance will go in ascent, outside Ulises Ruiz and the PFP of Oaxaca! To the teaching and the APPO we say to them that it is important to journey at the moment by the way of the resistance of unified way, also we do a call to them so that no provisional leader makes negotiations with the PFP much less, to backs of the town, since they became in last days, nothing benefits I engage in a dialog some with the PFP because this one must like only objective put in a corner and defeat to the popular movement, What sense has the negotiation with Ardelio Vargas, if this what looks for it is to choke the resistance and to establish the repression? So that to decide to clear the barricade of 5 gentlemen if it is the alibi to lock up to Radio University? At the moment it is fundamental to make decisions from the interests and dynamics of the bases, because of not doing always they will have it an opposite answer and the forceful rebellion of the masses will explode to them like cohetón in the face, this 2 of November is the sample of how a town no longer is arranged to continue allowing to aggression some, far from it to respect agreements where it has not been taken to them into account. Let us retake the exposition that always has been present in this fight, our movement is not of you lead is of the town. If today it is not valued that new sectors have been gotten up to the civil and popular resistance, and that these do not belong to any organization, again can be fallen in the error to go away front without adapted strategy and tactics, if copulares continues the decision making totally will be exceeded by our combative town. Companions and companions of all heart we say to them, that today it is required of humility and to generate transparency in the decision making, they visualize the conjuncture of objective way, assimilate that the town is not idiot, include/understand that the town is already in the fight of resistance against the PFP and therefore the political moment is another one; today the unit of all is essential, the political congruencia is fundamental and the dignity is determining. For us the incorporation of new sectors of young people, of the colonies and districts is what it has injected value and new determination to this new stage of fight. In this new stage it is necessary to consolidate the organizativas structures of the town, to develop the permanent political construction, to deepen the revolutionary political education and to foment the live preparation of the popular self-defense in the women and free men of Oaxaca, to prepare to us for the coming combats concientiously. The defense of our University this 2 of November, is the total education of resistance and popular self-defense, is a forceful lesson to the twigs of the town the incorporation of the colonos without letterhead some to the street fight, is an example for all the valiant attitude of our young people turning upside down to the streets to defend its history and not to move backwards in the fight until the fall of the Ulises cacique Ruiz and the exit of the PFP of our ground. To companions and companions that has done of the bazooka and cohetón emblem of dignity, to that has done of sling weapon portentosa of rebellion, to that has done of outbreak of pump molotov fire burning of hope, to that they have made of the resortera an accurate instrument to repel the military gray, to which it has made of the radio the wings of the word freedom, to which they take I mark, the cake, the water, the refreshment, the vinegar, stones, the gasoline, the bottles and the blessing, everything ours recognition and admiration, because all we contributed that the revolutionary process in Oaxaca is continued fortifying. At the moment it is required of not trusting to us, but to prepare us to resist another military aggression, it is required to plan our answers in the political action and not to lose of Vista that our enemy is powerful, but with unit and decision we will know to him to face, today already we initiated another stage in the fight. BY THE UNIT OF ALL THE TOWN! IT WAS THE PFP OF OAXACA! BY The FREEDOM OF The POLITICAL PRISONERS OF OAXACA And The COUNTRY! IMMEDIATE PRESENTATION OF THE DISAPPEAR! BY OUR PROLETARIAN COMRADES! SOLVED TO WIN! BY THE SOCIALIST REVOLUTION! TO WIN Or TO DIE! WITH THE POPULAR WAR! THE EPR WILL PREVAIL! STATE COMMITTEE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY POPULAR REVOLUTIONARY. COMMANDANT'S OFFICE OF ZONE OF THE REVOLUTIONARY POPULAR ARMY. Oaxaca de Juárez, 3 of October of 2006. www.cedema.org

[Wiley50]

32. Both This Org. and One Below Seeks To Co-Opt on APPO's Success

It's facinating to watch a culture that has more than just TWO Viable Parties

How Cheated We are In The US!

[Wiley50]

13. PRESS RELEASE OF THE VENEZUELAN COMMUNIST PARTY

Note: A nice peaceful group like APPO who believe in Direct DEMOCRACY
gets the ball rolling. Now, EVERYBODY, from Mexican armed militias
to the Venezuelan Communists, WANT TO GET INTO THE ACT!

DO NOT MISTAKE THIS OR THE LAST POST AS THE IDEOLOGY OF APPO

I'm Just reporting the News

2006 15:17 GMT requests aim of the terrorism of State in Oaxaca Modaira Open Rubio/Fundación 04 Debate Nov "we supported with the town of Oaxaca, population that is finds militarized the past from 29 of October, by orders of salient president Vicente Fox, to repress to the leaders (ace) and followers (ace) of the APPO and of the teaching that legitimately demand the resignation of the before inept governor, now killer, Ulises Ruiz", it declared deputy Carolus Wimmer, Secretary of RRII of the PCV. Communists of Venezuela: They request aim of the terrorism of State in Oaxaca Blond Modaira /FDA. Caracas, 4 of Nov. "we supported with the town of Oaxaca, population that is finds militarized the past from 29 of October, by orders of salient president Vicente Fox, to repress to the leaders (ace) and followers (ace) of the APPO and of the teaching that legitimately demand the resignation of the before inept governor, now killer, Ulises Ruiz", it declared deputy Carolus Wimmer, Secretary of RRII of the PCV. "This strong loose repression has generated several deaths, among them the one of a young North American independent journalist, Brad Will, that worked for an alternative means network that tries to break through the mediatic encirclement of the transnational ones of the information, and numerous disappeared and disappear", it indicated Wimmer. "We denounced the use of outpost technology, employee supposedly by the Mexican State for the fight against the drug trafficking, like spy airplanes Schweizer, that have been reported in Oaxaca, like tools for" hunting "to the members and miembras of the Popular Assembly of the Towns of Oaxaca (APPO) in its barricades, to untie the terror, to repress the town and to avoid that it is mobilized by its right protests", pointed the communist leader. "the situation is Oaxaca is an example of which in the false democracy, become attached to the imperialistic interests, the governments become aggressors of their own towns. It has been by the irresponsibility of the Mexican government at national and local level, which has produced these deaths and this situation of violence. By them and the Venezuelan Communists (ace) we supported with the town of Oaxaca, its teaching and its fight by its rights, and asked for the aim del terrorism of State in that Mexican locality ", finalized Wimmer.

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14. LA Journada 11/05 Investigation of Governor and his PRI Paramilitaries

Ulises Ruiz will go away; it is called on to the PRI to convince it, indicate in the Secretariat of Interior
It investigates PGR to paramilitary related to the government oaxaqueño: Arturo Chávez

GUSTAVO CASTLE, ENRIQUE MENDEZ, OCTAVIO VELEZ And FABIOLA MARTINEZ SENT, CORRESPONDENT And REPORTER


After meeting with Ulises Ruiz and having telephone contacts with the director of the Popular Assembly of the Towns of Oaxaca (APPO), the undersecretary of Government of the Secretariat of Interior, Arturo Chávez Chávez, affirmed that the governor "will have to make a situation analysis of his organization, the condition in which he is, to take a determination" on if he asks for license to the position. Still more, he informed that the General Office of the judge advocate general of the Republic (PGR) investigates the performance of paramilitary groups related to the government and the PRI.

In interview, he assured that Interior never has requested to him to the APPO to resign to its demand of which the governor resigns, but only that does it within the legal channels. "Of way, then, that I believe that that exigency will have to continue it raising", it declared.

Inclusively, it made reference to the points of agreement of the Senator and Houses of Representatives in as it is exhorted to Ruiz Ortiz "to a reflection on the capacity to govern" the state: "it will correspond to a personal reflection of the governor".

The civil employee traveled yesterday to Oaxaca, by instructions of the secretary Carlos Abascal, to resume the dialogue with the social movement oaxaqueño. Entrevistó with the archbishop of Antequera-Oaxaca, Jose Luis Chávez Botello, and the director of the Independent University Benito Juárez de Oaxaca (UABJO), Francisco Martinez Neri. In that sense, he praised the citizen table that will settle Monday in an annex of cathedral, and expressed the disposition of the dependency "to participate and to facilitate the dialogue and the interlocution, to construct agreement scenes".

When finishing, at night, the meeting with Chávez Botello, informed that the General Office of the judge advocate general of the Republic (PGR) attracted the cases of the murders committed against teachers and brigadistas, and that an investigation initiated on the assault groups bound to high state civil employees and leaders of the PRI, that acts like white guards to destabilize the state.

"If doubt exists from how it will be come against some people who could be understood near the government of the state, because they will have to be integrated previous inquiries by an impartial instance, that is the PGR", explained.

Arturo Chávez also clarified that the Federal Public Ministry will investigate on the aggressions of individuals committed against preventive federal police during the application of the operative ones of Sunday and Thursday.

Also, he affirmed that the federal government will guarantee the accomplishment of megamarcha of this Sunday, which will not be prevented by the PFP, but clarified that yes there will be monitoring to avoid infiltration of groups of provokers and, therefore, to obtain that is made of ordered way.

It indicated mainly that the objective of the meetings of yesterday was to clarify the presence of the PFP in Oaxaca, because with operative the foxista administration "does not look for to support to any of the parts in conflict, but to restore the order".

It indicated that during the encounter with the director of the UABJO the respect of the Federation to the university autonomy was reiterated. "it never has been in the objectives of the PFP nor in the operative plans entering some space of the university. We must assure that that autonomy is preserved ", emphasized.

- Which is the objective of the military detents in the highways that come together in Oaxaca? - it was asked to him.

- I do not have information on it. The free transit is due to give. I do not know if they have information that amerite the one that is reviewed the flow to vehicular to assure that everything is being conducted with normality and within the margins that the law anticipates.

- In Oaxaca there is guerrilla?

- I do not have any evidence to be able to support it.

In the morning, in the city of Mexico, the Secretariat of Interior had established that the conflict oaxaqueño will not find solution "in meetings cupulares in the center of the country", reason why determined to send indeed to the capital of Oaxaca to its main operators, headed by Chávez Chávez.

Sources of the dependency indicated that the instance is the PRI that can convince the state agent chief executive so that it leaves the position. "Ulises Ruiz will have to go (but) that decision happens through the PRI. Its party must understand situations that it has not wanted to see ", expressed.

The holder of the dependency, Carlos Abascal, showed the previous idea in a private encounter that maintained with its main collaborators, previous to a "food of social type" to festejar the day of San Carlos.

In another order, one made sure that Interior will not take part in the programming and content of Radio University, since it is a permisionaria that operates within the framework of the autonomy of the UABJO.

Interior "recognizes and respects the autonomy of this university. We understand that there it exists a problem and possible irregularities, but it is not called on us us to solve it ", indicated sources of the dependency.

[countryjake]

15. Kicked & Recommended & a hearty Thank You for doing this!

I didn't realize there might be some people here who wouldn't support this struggle...odd considering what these brave people are up against.

Viva La Huelga!

[Wiley50]

19. Yes, there are one or two here who would try to spoil the enthusiasm

But, I can't point them out.

They will show themselves
They always do

[Wiley50]

16. APPO RALLIES FOR MEGAMARCH, caravans refused gas

from La Journada 11/05/06


Powerboats refuse to supply to the caravan that will support megamarcha in Oaxaca Reforzara' the APPO protests with blockades The Popular Assembly of the Towns of Oaxaca (APPO) defined new actions today to obtain the exit of Ulises governor Ruiz Ortiz, as wagon blockades and taking of city councils; it declared that the resistance of Thursday against Polici'a Federal Preventiva (PFP)"was a political triumph for the town" of the organization and called "to retake the political offensive in the popular mobilization". Also, the APPO was prepared to mainly receive to the motorized caravan of 10 buses and 20 cars, originating of the center of the country, that transfer to párticipantes in megamarcha of this Sunday, although this late the military detent in San Pablo Etla was reinforced and it knows that the PFP would try to stop to the convoy when it arrived at Huajuapan, in the limits with Puebla, where it parked to continue at the dawn. In addition, the caravan was whereupon in Puebla the stations on watch refused to sell to them combustible, which was combined with the fact that this noon police sent from that organization were detected to reinforce to the state police in the monitoring to the march. Photo In press conference in Santo Domingo, where the long wait of the movement has been concentrated, the APPO assured that the character of the march is Pacific, and although it extended that the long walk would arrive until the historical center, taken by the PFP, limited that not yet the route has been decided and is only confirmed that will leave from the exit to Mexico, in the cruise of Viguera. "We denounced any type of aggression, because the assault groups of Ulises Ruiz Ortiz are interested in that provokers infiltrate, to generate violence", he assured. More forced disappearances Also it offered a list of professors, released students and citizens this morning by the PFP, but it assured that in all the cases they were tortured and vejados. In addition, it denounced the forced disappearance of the White teacher Canseco Méndez, stopped this morning in Nochixtlán, where also Red Jaime Guzmán, student of the Faculty of Political Sciences of the UNAM, and other five people were apprehended, whom not yet the identity was known. Ana Laura Canseco, sister of the disappeared professor, assured that this one escaped by minutes and reached to call by telephone to house of her mother, but she was reaprehendida. In Santo Domingo other cases were known haltings of nontie people the movement, but that happened through the crossing of Five Gentlemen, where Thursday the citizenship faced the PFP. All, assured relatives, were transferred to the femenil penitentiary of Tlacolula, that was reacondicionado specifically by the government of the state to shut in the "rebels". Fernando Vargas related that his Martín brother was stopped at noon to four streets of the commercial center Chedraui, located near the zone of the conflict, when went to its work in a restaurant. Her mother, Marta Cross Rodriguez, referred that at the time of his imprisonment vejado and she was tortured physical and psychological by federal police. Visit to his relative allowed them to know that, in the penitentiary, there are two minor ones, one 13 years and another one of 16, as well as driver which it journeyed by the area, to that they threw to the ground and they struck with tolete, thus had to be suturado with two points. To Marvin Peralta Sanchez the federal police stopped it after it closed his pharmacy, in the zone of Five Gentlemen. A day was missing, until its name spread like possible prisoner. Until then they allowed him to call to his papa and one knew that it was in the penitentiary of Tlacolula. During the conference, Florentino Lopez read the decisive ones of the assembly of the APPO, which ratified that the dialogue with the federal government will be reinitiated when are conditions, and only reiterated its demand to release to all the political prisoners, the presentation with life of the disappear, to restrain the haltings and tortures, as well as the immediate exit of the PFP of Oaxaca. Between the tasks guaranteed by the plenary one of the APPO she is the one to fortify the campaign of sensibilización to the federal police, to impel state civic unemployment and to authenticate the exigency of the disappearance of powers in the state. Another one of the priorities of the movement is to protect and to improve the signal of Radio University. More agents arrive from the PFP While, although the visible presence of the PFP in the city of Oaxaca was reduced, the corporation increased its total number of elements in the organization, after which in both recent days, of discreet way, they arrived at least 2 thousand agents more, they indicated controls of the federal forces. In that sense, a part of the personnel of the socle retired oaxaqueño, situation that in appearance reduced the strength report of the PFP in that zone; nevertheless, now elements of groups of immediate reaction would support to their companions in case on an attempt of the APPO of recovering the area of which they were retired Sunday the past. These measures comprise of the campaign of "distension" that from the past Friday started up the PFP, after their insolvent attempt to reopen the roads that surround the Independent University Benito Juárez de Oaxaca. In spite of it, this day they continued the workings of intelligence in the environs of the campus, which caused to 11 in the morning the halting, by students, of two governmental agents who dedicate themselves to successfully obtain information for security areas, that are known like "indicators". Its retention happened in the barricade of the avenue of the Railroad, that crosses avenue University. After two hours they were given to a military control assigned to Oaxaca, and to the Red Cross, who certificó their good state of health and that was not struck nor tortured. Lazaro Miranda Flowers, identified like lieutenant colonel, in agreement with a credential with A2474195 number, went the one who more resisted to remain quiet while it was into the hands of the students, reason why had to moor feet and hands to him. When he was going to be given to a military man, who refused to provide his name and position, she tried to flee as soon as she felt that the fastenings of their hands were being loosen. However, Pedro Olvera Kings, state police assigned to the Secretariat of Citizen Protection, did not offer greater resistance and for that reason it was given of way immediate to the military command and to the personnel of ambulance OXC-40 of the Mexican Red Cross. In order to avoid that both retained they could identify to those who stopped them, the students and members of the APPO placed hoods to them and they maintained them in the floor of one of the buses that serve as barricade in the well-known zone like Five Gentlemen. While, and after almost two months, the preventive police of the state returned to leave and encamped in the module of revision located in the deviation of the international airport Benito Juárez, on the wagon City German-Port Angel. Nevertheless, within the contingent agents participate who carry vests pertaining to the state police of Puebla, which presumes the participation of cash of that organization, which would constitute a violation to the state sovereignty. In the camping to 80 agents provided with anti-riot equipment and long arms participate about, that have nine light trucks pick up. In addition, the PFP, in coordination with the state Army and corporations has installed detents in the income to the city. In the international highway Cristóbal Columbus, in environs of San Pablo military Etla, cash they review particular vehicles, buses and trucks, with the argument to apply to the Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives and the permanent campaign against the drug trafficking. Also detents in Huajuapan of Leon, Asuncio'n Nochixtlán and Yucudaa were reported, in the region mixteca, as well as in Ocotlán de Morelos, in Central Valleys, presumably to inhibit the passage of the region of the Coast and in Ixtlán de Juárez, North Mountain range. As well, oaxaqueños priests of the arquidiócesis of Oaxaca and the dioceses of Port Escondido and Tehuantepec, as well as of the prelature of Huautla de Jiménez asked for the president of the Conference of Mexican Episcopado (CEM), Jose Guadalupe Martín Rábago, to explain or to rectify their endorsement to the entrance of the PFP to the organization. "the impression which much people have left is that their shepherds have left their town", they indicated. In a letter, the presbíteros asked the bishop of Leon if it spoke in a personal view to name of the CEM or, and although thus outside, "a declaration jeopardizes to all the Mexican episcopado one", mainly because the operative one "brought to Oaxaca repression, three died until, wounded, now jailed, tortured and greater confliction". On the official notice, the priests insisted: "we did not doubt the wisdom of our bishops and their capacity to discern the signs of the times, for that reason we asked ourselves, in fact you could not you anticipate that what looked for the federal government was a blessing for the repression"

[rman]

17. kick for justice

[Wiley50]

18. OBRADOR Pledges to break through Corporate Media Blockade

It raises the citizens to get up itself to make a "presidency collective"
Lopez Obrador proposes to break through informative mass media encirclement

SILVIA CHAVEZ And RENE RAMON CORRESPONDENTS


Ecatepec, Méx., 4 of November. Andrés Manuel Lopez Obrador proposed "to break through the informative encirclement that the mass media, with honorable exceptions", have in winch al political movement that it heads. When initiating in the state of Mexico a tour by 2 thousand 500 municipalities of the country, like part of its activities like "legitimate president" of the Mexicans, raised that the citizens get up themselves to make a presidency collective, where all are government.

"You, like representatives (of that legitimate government), they will have all the information of the national movement, because we are going to create an alert network in the 2 thousand 500 municipalities (that will visit). That they do not create the mass media that are to the service of the right that is going to silence to us, of no way, we are going away to communicate between us and the truth always will break through and is going to arrive until the last corner of the country, through Internet or by the means that are.

"Thus, when we need to defend national goods, when they want to put in risk the goods of Mexico, when it is affected to natives, to farmers, like now in Oaxaca, that is victim of the domination and influence of a cacique, we are going to go all, million of Mexican and we will put the things in its place", said during the speeches that it pronounced before thousands of supporters, in Chalco, Nezahualcóyotl and Ecatepec.

"All man, all conscious woman, of good will that he wants to protect to the town and the national goods can represent the legitimate government, we go at his moment to present you the program the government very summarized and if you accept and are in agreement with supporting it they are going to have a credential like representatives with the government who I am going to sign in my character of legitimate president of Mexico", he said.

When concluding in Ecatepec the tour of the day, the politician tabasqueño said that today it initiated a route to visit 2 thousand 500 municipalities of the country because, "we want to transform to Mexico from down, with people, and must inform to draw for the informative wall much that have imposed mass media".

Before a seat full, and accompanied by the mayor Jose Luis Gutiérrez Cureño and senator Yeidckol Polevnsky, the ex- presidential candidate indicated that in the eve of the 20 of November, when renders protest like "legitimate president" of Mexico, he will cross the municipalities to raise that the citizens get up themselves to make a presidency collective where all are government and it fights itself by a nation project where all the Mexicans are coresponsible.

With this structure, in next the six years any reform will not be allowed that means a backward movement that affects the economy of the families. "Not to the IVA to medicines and foods, not to the privatization of the electrical sector, social security and petroleum", it limited.

It promised that it will not allow more rejected in the universities and for that reason the education must be priority of the new government. Nor an one step back, not even to take impulse, because the transformation of the country is in game, said

It added that to those who robbed the Presidency to him of the Republic to not she is going them to be easy to govern next the six years and they will be protected behind pelele, as usually she calls to elect president Felipe Calderón.

That they are prepared because before they will be the government of all the town of Mexico, it said to them. It sent his solidarity to the town of Oaxaca and indicated that never it will be of the side of a government who uses light tanks to repress, because he will always be next to the population that requests social justice.

His followers it asked to them to be kind because at his moment it will make them arrive a summary from which will be its program of government and, if people accept it, will be its representatives to those who will give a credential that "I am going to sign in my character of legitimate president of Mexico".

In Neza City, where he congregated 8 thousand people, the politician tabasqueño offered itself to head a "collective" and traveling presidency because "it is not task of a single man. We are going to create a new republic in our country, is a fight that can take time but it does not do to him, the time that it is we are going to come out ahead, more early than late it is going to prevail this cause ".

Lopez Obrador was optimist and insurance when indicating that with the legitimate government there will be a new successful stage for Neza City, the state of Mexico and the nation, because "when principles are had, when ideals are had and popular causes are defended is politically indestructible; one can resist any adversity, any failure and always one rises and follows ahead and it prevails itself."

[Wiley50]

20. Solidarity in Mexican States and Around the World (PHOTOS & ARTICLE)

La Journada 11/05/06

Activists of EU and Canada are united to manifestation; he closes momentary of international bridge
Protests in three states by the occupation of Oaxaca; they demand to punish "to the repressive Fox"

Solecito "Outside the panista facist government", demands supporters of the APPO in Sinaloa

OF THE CORRESPONDENTS
Photo



Cash of the Preventive Federal Police prepare for megamarcha of today summoned by the APPO Photo Francisco Olvera

In demand of which Polici'a Federal Preventiva (PFP) leaves Oaxaca and the resignation of the governor of the state, Ulises Ruiz Ortiz, hundreds of people pronounced yesterday in the international bridge Mexico Door, in Matamoros, Tamaulipas, and in front of the municipal palace of Mazatlán, Sinaloa.

Members of the Coalition pro Justice of the Assembly plants protested to the shout of "Oaxaca is not quarter, outside Army of him" in the environs of the international bridge, the second crosses more important of Matamoros, same that they crossed until the environs of the house of revision of the estadunidense side.

In one hour of transit to vehicular intense, activists of Mexico, the United States and Canada showed their support to the town of Oaxaca, that demands the disappearance of powers and the exit of the priísta Ruiz Ortiz.

Headed by Marta Ojeda, general coordinator del gremial organism, to the demonstrators was united colonos to them of Matamoros, that carried placards and blankets to accompany the slogans that caused greater presence of migration agents and customs of United States. The closing of the crossing was forced.
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Bus of the solidarity caravan that left yesterday from the Chamber for Juárez for the city of Oaxaca PHOTO Jose Antonio Lopez

In Mazatlán, Sinaloa, members of the group Citizen Networks showed their endorsement to the Popular Assembly of the Towns of Oaxaca (APPO), and with blankets and placards placed in the environs of the mayorship demanded punishment to the "repressive government" of Vicente Fox Quesada and stops to the police intervention in the organization sureña.

"All we are Oaxaca" and "Outside the panista facist government of Oaxaca" was some of slogans.

They inform and they collect food in Veracruz

Civil and magisteriales organizations of Veracruz installed in the seat Miguel Lerdo of the port jarocho a table of permanent information on the situation in Oaxaca and initiated the compilation of food to support the resistance of the APPO.

The activists also began to compile the companies that will be integrated to a letter of solidarity with their homologous oaxaqueños in which they demand that "the Ulises assassin is dismissed Ruiz", retires the police force, the murders of teachers are punished and it frees myself to the political prisoners of the movement.

Thursday leaves caravan the Bees to Oaxaca

A caravan composed by more than 200 people, summoned by the indigenous organization the Bees, will leave the community of Acteal, Chiapas, Thursday 9 of November, informed its leader Agustín Vázquez.

The agreement was taken yesterday during a meeting conducted in San Cristóbal of the Houses, in which they participated representing in other groupings that have decided to add themselves to the call of the Bees to take humanitarian aid to the APPO.

"the government, who has not known to respond with the reason and the dialogue to the right demands of the APPO, has responded with violence, remembering the worse moments of our history: the slaughters of students in 1968 and 1971, and the one of Acteal, in 1997", he showed the grouping in a given document to know after the meeting, to which they went more than 100 people.

Exit of the PFP would demonstrate weakness of the State: Ramiro Hernandez

The representative of the special subcommission of the Senate for the case Oaxaca, the priísta Ramiro Hernandez, justified the presence of the PFP in that organization, "while the respect to the legal frame does not recover". Its presence, said, "it must like principle guarantee the observance of the legality", and its possible exit would demonstrate the weakness of the institutions of the Mexican State.

Nevertheless, it assured that the happened thing in Oaxaca "is not more than the reflection of a weak and irresponsible exercise of president Fox", and indicated that this type of declarations only serves to create a climate of uncertainty and breath to the conflict.

It recognized that even with the entrance of the public force the reestablishment of the order in the organization has not been obtained sureña, but the violence has not broken out again nor has been registered either bloodshed.

Also, Ruiz called to Ulises to make an exercise of responsible reflection so that she decides if it is advisable that she continues to the front of the gubernatura of the organization. "I believe that who must solve if she can to be able to govern he is the own governor, and she must do it in an exercise of responsible reflection so that the solution of the problem can be constructed".

Julia To Him Duc, Irene Sanchez, Elio Henríquez, Andrés T. Morales and Nelda J. Anzar, correspondents

[zeemike]

21. Thanks for doing all of this

It is very important that we know what is going on down there and the media is not going to do it.
K&R

[Wiley50]

22. US: Anti-Immigrant Terror Stepped Up Nationwide

Anti-immigrant terror is stepped up nationwide



October, 2006

Anti-immigrant terror is stepped up nationwide

It's time to stand shoulder to shoulder

BY LAURA GARCIA

Workers demonstrating in support of immigrant rights in Atlanta.
Workers demonstrating in support of immigrant rights in Atlanta.
PHOTO/JOHN SLAUGHTER



National Guard ... Fences and more fences … A 13-year-old boy carries his dead mom's body through the desert … More National Guard … Workers stand impotent as their co-workers are led away … A knock on the door … Hurried steps in the middle of the night … Some head to the woods, others to cars that burn tires leaving places that don't want them … Children wait for their parents to no avail … Spouses in search of spouses … No clues, except that ICE agents were there … Or was it the police … Or was it "citizens" arresting them who tied them to trees.

These are the images of the terror unleashed against those branded "illegal" in the "land of the free and home of the brave." But beware, history has proven that terror stains everyone, victim, witness, and tyrant alike. And like the blood on Macbeth's hands, we will not be able to wash it off if we stand silent.

In September, communities and workplaces in Tacoma, Wash.; Forsyth County, Ga.; Santa Cruz County, Calif.; Denver, Colo.; Nashville, Tenn.; Charlotte, N.C.; Dade County, Fla.; and others were raided by agents of the Department of Homeland Security's Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). The raids resulted in hundreds, if not thousands, of people detained and deported. So far this year there have been 23,000 such arrests nationwide.

In effect, the administration is implementing HR 4437, whether or not Congress has passed it.

The administration's raids were mounted at the end of a politically much heated spring and summer, when the immigrant-rights movement had surged forward, with millions taking to the streets of this country. At present, the movement for immigrant-rights seems to have suffered a setback, with the Labor Day demonstrations drawing very low numbers. Meanwhile, many self-appointed leaders have been posturing loudly and wrangling with each other over who will lead the movement, while those who swelled its ranks have been largely left out of the discussion.

But the movement is not dead. The real leadership of this movement will not be derailed from their real agenda -- the basic necessities of life such as food, housing, education, etc. for their families -- in spite of the different agendas others have.

One of the most prominent agendas that some of these self-appointed leaders have been imposing on the movement is "get out and vote" (well, at least those who can vote). Yet despite these voters' honest interest in making a difference, they are being offered to the Democratic Party like roast pigs with apples in their mouths.

But what has the Democratic Party done for the immigrant worker (or any other worker for that matter)? The last time we checked, it was the Democratic administration of Bill Clinton who first attacked undocumented workers, with the 1996 "Responsibility Act" -- its most onerous aspect being the denial of public benefits such as health care and public education to the undocumented.

And it is not simply the Democrats complicity in scapegoating immigrants that needs to be challenged. The immigration debate needs to fundamentally challenge the idea of "legality/illegality," which is being imposed by the self-described Minutemen and people like them in Congress and on the airwaves -- "They broke the law, so they are criminals." We must fight the false division that makes one person legal and others not.

But to fight against this false idea, we must face those who actually impose it. Who are behind these people who declare whether someone is legal or illegal, if it is not the arrogant billionaire owners of corporations and banks, who pull the strings of governments such as the United States and Mexico to get them to seal their borders, hunt down the "illegal," and stomp on them when they are cornered and defenseless?

And why? Because they need to divide and conquer -- to pull the wool over people's eyes so they won't see their real enemy -- and act.

We need new laws, yes! -- laws that decree that, "If you are a human being, you are my brother or my sister." "If you are hungry, here's a piece of bread we can share." "If you are a child, you have a good school to go to." "If you are sick, you will be provided with health care." Let no flags, borders, languages, or religions divide us. Let's all come together under one flag, the flag of the human race.

It's time to look beyond present institutions and their laws and declare them illegal, not the people they are directed against. A practical step toward this is by standing with those who are forced to break the law to feed and house their families, by standing with those who are being forced to break the law by renting to the undocumented; by standing with those who are being forced to break the law by providing health care and education to whose who need both.

During World War Two, the German Nazi's ordered every Jew in Denmark to wear arm bands with six-pointed Jewish stars on them. But the King of Denmark put on one of those armbands, and all of Denmark followed suit. The Germans couldn't see who was a Jew and who was not. What they could see was a people united.

Let's stand so close together that those in search of the so-called criminals won't be able to detect the difference between citizen, legal resident, or undocumented. Then standing before those who rule and legislate unjust and immoral laws, will be a massive sea of brothers and sisters in close rank with each other.

El pueblo, unido …

The author is editor of the Tribuno del Pueblo, the bilingual sister paper of the People's Tribune. She is available to speak. Call 800-691-6888.

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[Peace Patriot]

23. Next week, we may be in the situation of the Oaxacans, inflicted with

election fraud in 2004, and suffering brutal oppression as a consequence--the core reason for the magnificent peoples' rebellion that has occurred over the last five months, sparked by Gov. Ruiz's assault on the teachers' union strikers in June. Or, in the same position as Lopez Obrador's supporters a few months ago--again, due to election fraud. There is simply no way that the vast population of poor people in Mexico did not win that election, no matter what the authorities or our war profiteering corporate news monopolies say. Lopez Obrador's supporters know that, obviously. But what to do about it? How to deal with it? How to express democracy, when fascists have all the money, state power and vast propaganda power?

We are not Mexico, with its indigenous community networks and cohesion. We are a much more fractured and lonely people, with some of us--the rebellious--wandering around wondering where the Bastille is.

Why have Americans put up with this Bush Junta for so long, without massive protest? Part of the reason is the above. We are a different and much less well organized people. I do NOT think that the American people have been asleep. The incredible grass roots movement to oust Bush in 2004 proved that to me. And before that, polls in early 2003, before the invasion of Iraq, showing 56% opposition to the war, and in May '04, showing 63% opposed to torture "under any circumstances," among other indications (--items like the grass roots blowout success in new Democratic voter registration, nearly 60/40, in 2004; people were engaged and were flocking to the Democratic Party for change). I think the American people have NOT been asleep, but have been very bewildered by what has taken place. Why hasn't our election system worked right, to effect a change of course? People had faith in it. So the wolves knew. They enticed us into the wood, where all is confusion and fuzzy math.

But that has changed dramatically. I may be the only one at DU to have noticed, but there is a huge voters' rebellion going on, in this election, in the form of Absentee Ballot voting. People don't trust these electronic voting machines--as well they shouldn't. They have gotten the word. They KNOW. And they are trying to get around the rigged electronics, by voting with a real paper ballot, the Absentee Ballot (permitted in 30 states), and mailing it in, or hand-delivering it. Absentee Ballot voting has quintupled in some places; it is up to 50% and 60% of the vote in others; half of the vote in the entire state of California is by Absentee Ballot this time. The Wall Street Journal has descried this phenomenon as disruptive and time consuming for election officials, and the New York Times, Associated Press and a California corporate rag, the Sacramento Bee, all came out with the corporate "spin" on this big increase in Absentee Ballot voting, all worded similarly, at about the same time (a week or so ago), that Absentee Ballot voters were "choosing convenience." This is how we know what's important to the Corporate Rulers, when they spin like this--and leave big black holes in their stories. They don't mention voter distrust of the corporate-controlled electronic voting machines, not even as a possibility.

This huge voter rebellion--which has paralleled the cancerous spread of e-voting machines all over the country--may be the means of restoring transparent, verifiable vote counts in the U.S. It needs some leadership and focus, to demand of local election officials that they, a) HAND COUNT Absentee Ballots, and b) POST the results BEFORE any electronics are involved. A doable campaign. And a reason for hope.

Notice the nature of this rebellion: individual action, ordinary voters taking their own measure of the situation, and trying to get around the rigged system, and/or PROTESTING it. (Some are aware that the AB votes are generally scanned right into the rigged electronics--they are BOYCOTTING the machines; others are not aware of this, and are trying to GET a hand-counted paper ballot, by AB voting.). No crowds in the streets. No signs. No big marches. Just being quietly pissed off and determined.

The Absentee Ballot voting rebellion parallels and reflects more extensive political rebellion and change--plainly exhibited in all of the pre-election polls for these Congressional midterms. People are utterly fed up with Bush, Bushite "pod people," the Iraq war, the torture, the lawlessness, the greed, and the immorality in our government and our corporate culture. And they have not come to these conclusions as the result of a free and vigilant press corps, providing them with reliable information and a wide range of political perspectives. They have come to these conclusions DESPITE relentless 24/7 rightwing propaganda from corporate news monopolies. They sought out their own information and shared it with others--greatly helped by the internet (the new free press!). In this respect, we resemble Mexicans and Venezuelans and other peoples who are inflicted with corporate news monopolies. We have tuned out the propaganda; we have learned to read between the lines; we have created our own news networks.

We'll see what happens with the Congressional elections. The best strategy for the fascists would be to try to put people in the U.S. to sleep, by a carefully crafted Democratic majority in the House, designed to be largely ineffective at serious reform, and unable to impeach Bush and Cheney, no matter what House investigations may turn up. They have the capability to steal these elections outright--virtually every seat (via the "trade secret" code in the corporate-controlled electronic voting machines, and other means). But I don't think they will. I think we will get the sleeping pill of a modest Dem victory in the House. But I tend to think that the revolution in the U.S. cannot be anesthetized. The Bushites have exposed all the ugly and horrible seams in Corporate Rule. They have done enormous damage to the Corporate Rulers--one factor in the situation that COULD mean a Democratic sweep (a large, strong Dem majority in the House, and even a slim majority in the Senate). The Democratic Party leadership, currently, is by no means reformist. Even with a big majority, they won't do much to curtail Corporate power--and, considering the piggish advances the Corporate Rulers have made, under the Bush Junta--they can easily afford some curtailment, for appearances' sake. But critically needed fundamental reform? No way. Given the threat of impeachment--which could expose not just politicians like Bush and Cheney, but ALSO many corporations who have colluded with them--I don't think they'll risk a strong Dem majority. I think they'll tailor the election theft with precision--and already have done so, to some degree in the primaries, by who got chosen as our candidates--to produce "Bushite Democrats" as the swing votes in the House (--like the Dems who voted for torture and suspension of habeas corpus the other week). They will block impeachment and serious reform that cuts too deeply into war and other corporate profits.

But, say the Bush Junta does steal it again, massively--as Bush, Cheney and Rove have been predicting? Would there be mass street protests here, as there were in Mexico City? There most certainly would be a rebellion, at this point, but I'm not sure what form it would take--and what form I would want it to take. A lot would depend on what happened next. Would the Democratic Party fight back? That might focus everyone's attention--whatever form it took. Say the Democrats walked out of Congress, and asked the public to join them in a big march in DC. Or say, Dennis Hastert started swearing in Bushites--pre-empting vote counts, challenges and recounts. (He did just that re CA-50 a few months ago.) Would the Dems take it to the Supreme Court? Would big public protests help that effort? I don't think the Dem Party will sit still for a major election theft this time. If they do, what next? I'm not terribly hopeful about unfocused street protests, even very big ones. You get a million people to go to DC for a one-day march, and.....? How does that change Congress? They just elevate the barricades and hunker down behind them, and pass more tax cuts for the rich, or raid Social Security to pay for invading Iran. Say we could get a million people to do a massive sit-in in DC. Out come the Darth Vader cops and the microwave weapon. It might be quite something to see a million people tear gassed, microwaved and hauled off in military transport planes to detention camps in the Nevada desert. (Will they hood us and shackle us, as they did their torture victims?) It might well have an impact, but would it change anything? Would it restore our right to vote?

I'm tending to the typical North American solution, rather than the Mexican one. It would better to spend our considerable revolutionary energy (I think it's there), on the Absentee Ballot strategy--a well-organized but dispersed effort in every election jurisdiction in the country, to get the AB votes hand-counted, and to extend AB voting rights to other states (beyond the 30 that already have them), by focused efforts--and build ourselves a paper ballot voting system by default.

The vote counting system IS the main problem--or rather the first priority problem. This problem MUST be solved, to have the power to do anything else. It's so basic, but it's true. The fascists can do anything they want with their secret vote counting code. And that power became quickly and thoroughly entrenched by means of billions of dollars in e-voting contracts, through the fingers of local election officials and legislators (thence into the pockets of Bushite corporations). It's been very difficult to penetrate this corruption. The AB strategy circumvents the corruption by the simple demand to properly count AB votes, backed by the masses of new AB voters pressuring LOCAL officials.

I read about the Mexico presidential election that many precincts went unmonitored by Lopez Obrador supporters--and there is evidence that masses of ballots were thrown out or changed because no one was watching. I can imagine why this happened. Poor people have a much harder time with transportation and other organizational resources. But perhaps more attention ought to be paid to this mechanism of power--the vote--in the Mexican revolution as well. We can learn from each other. I read also, of recent events, that bus-loads of people were arriving in Oaxaca, from Mexico City, for a big demonstration of popular support for the Oaxacans. We North Americans need to learn to support each other, and to reject divisiveness. When people rebel, we need to BE THERE in support--whether it's our chosen strategy or not. I feel this way about the massive Absentee Ballot voting protest, as a matter of fact. Ordinary Americans ARE rebelling against the machines--whether we election reformers would choose that mode, or not. It IS happening. And we must understand what it is, and support it. It is, in effect, the Montgomery Bus Boycott of our era. Individual people saying "No!" to the rigged system. In huge numbers.

Viva la revolución!

[Wiley50]

24. 2,25 a.m.. They sound cohetones of recognition between barricades.

from vientos.info

Leopoldo Hernández/Zapateando

2:00 a.m. of the 5 of November. In hours it will be the sixth mega marches in the city of Oaxaca demanding the resignation of Ulises Ruiz. Radio University is been summoning the Oaxaqueño town to meet in the monument to Benito Juárez of the cruise of Viguera.

1400 khz of Modulated Amplitude. Radio University. If we tuned it first that receives to us is a sintetizador simulating a frenetic violin in going and coming on the same ones tonadas. This hard about 30 second, later, in an arrhythmic cut, your rrún your rrún your rrún of a drum, an acute estridente shout and again the violin in its frenzy. This is the intervention of the signal of Radio University.

In hardly seconds of silence they can be listened to, distant, the voices of the speakers who keep awake to continue informing the town oaxaqueño the situation that at the moment is lived in this state of the hurt Mexican Republic.

9:00 p.m.. "the doctor" summons to the march that will be celebrated the 5 of November. He is peculiar but as soon as it begins to speak, and little by little the volume of the estridencia increases until covering the voice of that during long time has been one of the speakers whom the citizen movement has accompanied by Oaxaca, like worthy companion, in the good ones and in the bad ones. , when "the doctor" commands to music, we can at least listen without interference.

11:00 a.m.. Radio University. From early hour the indications are had already, almost certainties, that the attempts exist to silence, again, like has happened not only now, in Oaxaca, but in all Mexico, any attempt of the town to occupy the place that corresponds to them in the decision of its destiny. It leaves the first name the possible person in charge: Alfredo Apodaca Sarabia, engineer responsible for the radial transmissions on the part of the Secretariat of Communications and Transports.

2,25 a.m.. They sound cohetones of recognition between barricades. Some distant shots. It is full moon-lit night and those that can in Oaxaca, sleep in tense calm, other wide-awake ones, supporting the cold at night, to avoid that the taking of the radio, does not become the taking of the facilities, which would take to a doubtless apprehension of which they have with dignity maintained to east mass media to the service of the town and its fights.

The sintetizador continues as soon as we were in tune 1400 of Amplitude Modulated. In Internet it continues the signal. I knew of somebody connected horns to its computer so that all the neighbors listened to the transmission of Radio University. They really think that they can silence all the voices?

Of something I am safe, in hours I will see much people marching, deciding its destiny.

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25. IT"S STARTING!! CHOPPERS BROUGHT TROOPS IN AT NIGHT!

From OSAG by Nancy Davies

During the night helicopters brought military troops into the city. According to La Doctora, impeccably calm and intelligent as ever on Radio Universidad, the people must remain non-violent - she mentioned Mahatma Ghandi - to avoid the provocations the military and PRI will attempt. The people must remain organized and dignified, she said.

This morning a student from the Technologcal Institute in front of Radio Universidad was shot in the chest. His name is Marcos Manuel Sanchez Martinez. He is still alive and receiving medical care. La Doctora says that the shooters are establishing an early morning pattern of attacks.

Meanw3hile, supporters are on the road toward Oaxaca for the march which is scheduled to convene at 10:00 AM in front of the monument in Colonia Viguera. According to La Jornada about 700 people left Mexico DF to come here. They were stopped by the military roadblock (reten), made to get off the bus, searched, the bus was searched, but then permitted to continue. Last night other busloads were sited also, coming from Nochitzlan and other main roads.

Fox doesn't completely impede free transit in the nation or the state of Oaxaca, and that's a small victory similar to not invading the autonomous university. Symbolic rules still hold.

The Sixth Megamarch will be another face-off between the peoples and the government forces. Attention must be p

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26. FEAR AND LOATHING IN OAXACA

OSAG- Nancy Davies

ACTION NEEDED: WE NEED PEOPLE TO CALL THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT AND LET THEM KNOW WE'RE WATCHING
THE WORLD WILL NOT SIT STILL FOR MILITARY VIOLENCE AGAINST THE OAXACAN POOR!



If you can alert people to monitor, and tell the Mexican gov that they are monitoring, that might help. The more calls, faxes, email, etcetera you send the better. The march will not begng until after 10:00 AM.

My guess is that the provocations will be small ones and contained - unless the Oaqueños lose their cool. But they usually don't. Dignified and non-violent! But if it goes pacifically it won't be for lack of trying on the part of URO's friends.

[EFerrari]

27. K&R. Great idea.

:kick:

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28. The Other Campaign Takes Over Juárez-El Paso International Bridge in Solidarity with Oaxaca

US Police Attempt to Intimidate Protesters

By Karla Garza
Indymedia Chiapas

November 4, 2006

To the cry of “Oaxaca is not a military barracks, get the army out,” hundreds of people, led by Subcomandante Marcos, took over the Lerdo de Tejada international bridge, which connects Ciudad Juárez to El Paso, Texas.

Around 10 o’clock in the morning, members of the Other Campaign, surrounded by a large police contingent, arrived at the site to speak out against the government of Ulises Ruiz and the repression being carried out against the people of Oaxaca.

They advanced to the highest part of the bridge while members of “the Other Campaign on the Other Side” did the same on the other side, chanting in chorus, “we are a people without borders.”

Today we have come here to unite the struggles of the south with the struggles of the north,” said a representative from the Union of People on the Border, “here on the border, there are people resisting the exploitation, and the wall of death, because we are not criminals or terrorists, we are working people. We want them to leave the border knowing that we will not give up, that we will continue fighting for land, liberty and justice.”

Together, members of organizations such as the Association of Migrant Workers, the Mexico Solidarity Network, the Chicano/Chicana Student Movement of Aztlán and the Neighborhood Justice Movement announced that they would a construct barricade on the bridge, just like the hundreds of barricades with which the people of Oaxaca are continuing to give the world a lesson in dignity. A barricade like those that have now come to symbolize the struggle that “created an echo that whipped the winds up into a hurricane.”

María Eugenia López, a student from El Paso, then spoke: “I am originally from Oaxaca, my family is one of the many that has been exiled by the government. But we are in the struggle because my people have taught me that the struggle exists everywhere.”

Also present were members of Indymedia New York, “where there have been many tears shed by the friends of Brad Will.” They came to say, “we have lost our brother. In his last moments he was on the ground with the people of Oaxaca. Brad risked his life so that the injustices and repression would be known. Brad lost his life helping to build a dream. While we are mourning his death, we also celebrate his life and the decision he made.”

The day was also dedicated to demanding the return of political prisoners who have “disappeared.” Mr. Ernesto Ontiveros, father of Víctor Hugo Ontiveros Gómez, spoke on behalf of the families of the disappeared, saying his son was “one of the 196 who have disappeared since 1993 for knowing about government collusion with drug traffickers. There are 196 known to have disappeared, and more whose names have not been registered out of fear. We spoke with Zedillo, and got nothing, then with Fox and again got nothing, no one has surfaced, either dead or alive.”

Delegate Zero was next to speak, and he said, “We have come here to symbolically close this international bridge in solidarity with the people of Oaxaca and also to protest a series of injustices that we have seen here in Ciudad Juárez, throughout the state of Chihuahua, and along the entire northern border, which we have traversed from Tijuana to arrive here.”

While the Zapatista spokesperson was speaking, a contingent from Homeland Security joined armed police and police in riot gear on the Texas side of the bridge and a Customs & Border Patrol helicopter hovered low above the bridge in a clear act of intimidation. The helicopter would hover above the group of Homeland Security officials and police and then circle around them as protesters directed their words of opposition upwards and Subcomandante Insurgente Marcos continued:

“We have seen that the wall the Bush Administration is building with the cooperation of the Fox Administration is only a wall to kill our people; as the wall of the river and the wall of the desert are joining together, now there is this wall. Our compatriots who are crossing over to work, not to do anything bad, are being treated as if they were terrorists. We have also seen, here, in Ciudad Juárez that there is no justice, as young women are killed and nobody is found guilty and it is beginning to seem more and more that the governments of Juárez and Chihuahua are complicit in this.

“We have come here to tell Oaxaca that its people are not alone,” he reiterated, “we have come here to tell them that Chihuahua, Juárez, El Paso, the entire country and even Texas stand with them in their struggle.

“As the Other Campaign we do not recognize this border; we consider our compañeros on the other side of the border to be part of Mexico, part of us, our own blood. And our struggle does not even recognize that helicopter or this line or that flag up above. We recognize that Mexico does not start here on this line but rather much deeper, where each one of our compatriots is struggling and working.

“Compañeros and compañeras from the other side, there is no other side, it is one and the same. Those who are on the other side are those who are in that helicopter and in the White House and together, from below, we are going to make them all fall. This is what we are proposing, that in our country, which does not recognize this border, things are run from below.”

He also informed the crowd of the actions of the EZLN in Chiapas and the Other Campaign in other states: “Our Zapatista compañeros are now confirming that the highways are closed in San Cristóbal de las Casas, in Comitán, in Altamirano and in Palenque; transport in Chiapas is currently impossible because the Zapatistas are blocking the highways in support of Oaxaca. We also know that highways and major streets are being blocked in the state of Morelos and in the Federal District (Mexico City) and this is our way of telling Fox to stop his lies, to stop playing tricks on the people.”

“We came to say this and I hope that it is heard as far away as Oaxaca,” Delegate Zero concluded, as participants began using sacks to set up a barricade right along “the line” of the border.

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29. UNITED NATIONS ISSUES STATEMENT ON OAXACA

UNITED NATIONS

Press Release


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UN SPECIAL RAPPORTEUR CONCERNED
ABOUT VIOLENCE IN OAXACA




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HR/06/134
30 October 2006

The Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights and fundamental freedoms of indigenous people, Dr. Rodolfo Stavenhagen, today expressed his concern about the serious human rights violations reported to have taken place on 27 October 2006 in the city of Oaxaca and neighbouring towns. According to information received, the acts were perpetrated by a paramilitary group, with violent clashes leaving at least 4 people dead and several others wounded.

The events of 27 October occurred within the framework of a protracted social and political conflict pitting various sectors of Oaxaca society with the authorities of the state. The Special Rapporteur continues to receive information concerning violations of human rights in the course of the conflict, including the killing and wounding by gunfire of innocent victims, arbitrary detention, enforced disappearances, illegal searches and breaches of due process.

In the report on his mission to Mexico in 2003, the Special Rapporteur recommended:
"The federal and State judiciary and the national system of ombudsmen should ensure that legislation and justice are not used in the interests of caciques and local authorities to treat legitimate protest or social dissent as a crime or penalize it." And also that, "The Government should take urgent steps to disband, disarm and punish armed paramilitary or civilian groups that are operating in indigenous regions."

The Special Rapporteur is extremely concerned with the use of force to counter protests arising from deeply entrenched social issues and recommends the Federal and State authorities to fully comply, at all times, with Mexico's international human rights commitments.

The Special Rapporteur calls on the Mexican authorities to investigate the reported acts of violence, and to prosecute those responsible of these acts according to international standards. He also calls on both the Federal and state Governments to continue to seek a negotiated solution to the conflict, and to refrain from any further action that could block negotiations. He appeals to the Popular Assembly of Peoples of Oaxaca (APPO) and other social organizations to continue promoting dialogue between all the parties involved, in the search for a peaceful and negotiated solution to their various demands, and to avoid violent confrontations

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30. SEXTAMEGAMARCHA!

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31. 50% in Oaxaca Want That Ulises (governor) Goes Away

From OSAG
Translated by that quick and sloppy Babelfish

50% in Oaxaca want that Ulises goes away Ruiz BGC, Ulises Beltrán and special Asociados/ for Chronicle Chronicle Tuesday 17 of October of 2006 | Hour of publication: 09:33 Of each one hundred oaxaqueños, 55 disapprove the management of Ulises governor Ruiz and 50 of plane pronounce in favor of that it resigns to his position, according to a survey of the company/signature BGC, Ulises Beltrán and Asociados. The dispproval to the agent chief executive particularly is elevated in the capital of that state, where 60 percents of the encuestados ones altogether said or to partisan discord with their performance. The survey was raised between 10 and 12 of the present, with base in a total of 1200 interviews distributed in three regions of the state - zones metropolitan of the capital, north and the south -, at the rate of 400 in each one. "the intervention of the federal public force is rejected: 59% are in discord or discord partly with that possibility. In all the regions this refusal is observed the use of the force ", maintains the encuestadora company/signature. Of the total of consulted, 39 percents showed their opposition to the resignation of Ruiz Ortiz, most of which is priístas of the South zone of the state. In agreement with the opinion poll between the oaxaqueños the pesimism with respect to the present situation in its state predominates, because eight of each ten interviewed people agreed upon which the situation is worse than the last year. Still more, in 81 percents of the encuestados ones it dominates the idea that the conflict raised by the teachers of section 22 of the SNTE is had agravated, and tends to reign the opinion of which the problem was originated by lack of wage increase in the teachers. "the performance of the diverse parts involved in this dispute badly is evaluated without exception", indicates the company mentioned between the main results of its demoscópico exercise. And it adds: "president Fox also badly is evaluated, although less than Ulises Ruiz, the APPO and the teachers". Soon it needs that in the City of Oaxaca it is where worse one evaluates the actors to them of the conflict, and not even between the priístas favorable consensus exists on the way how the governor has taken care of the conflict. Half of the population - BGC Beltrán and Asociados maintains -- you do not justify the attitude of the teachers and the Popular Assembly of the Town of Oaxaca, but 44 percents yes justify total or partially. "the population is mainly in agreement with which a public consultation is made to decide if the governor Ruiz must resign (58%). This opinion is observed in all the regions, specially in the zone of the city of Oaxaca. Only the priístas tend to be against to her, although an important sector would be in agreement with that it is made ", affirms in its results Beltrán and Asociados. Finally it indicates that in the hypothetical case of elections at the moment to choose governor of Oaxaca, the preferences extremely are divided between the PRI, that has 34 percents, the PRD with 34, and the BREAD with 28 percents. w methodologic Note Date of rise: from the 10 to the 12 of October. Population of study: greater people of 18 years than are in the state of Oaxaca.Tamaño of sample: 1.200 interviews applied to citizens of the state, distributed in 3 regions (Metropolitan Zone of the City of Oaxaca, 400 cases; North region, 400 cases; South region, 400 cases) and 120 electoral sections of the state. Frame Sample: The sampling frame that was used in the selection of the sample is the listing of electoral sections of Oaxaca. With this frame an exhaustive and excluding division of the population under study is guaranteed. Scheme of Selection of the sample: the selection of the sections became by means of a systematic sampling with proportional probability to the size of the section, where the size is defined by the nominal listing. Stages of muestra:en the first stage selected 120 sections with proportional probability to their size (PPT), in the second stage selected 2 apples in each section. In the third stage 5 houses in each apple were selected. In both stages the selection was made with a method of systematic sampling and random starting. Finally one selects to the respondente with base to the fulfillment of quotas of sex and age. With the purpose of detecting regional differences, in the design of the sample a geographic division of 3 areas was considered: Metropolitan zone of the City of Oaxaca, 400 cases; North region, 400 South cases and Region, 400 casos.Instrumento of harvesting of the information: Questionnaire previously elaborated which is applied by personnel enabled for such effect. The questionnaire was applied expensive to face in the house of the interviewed person. Characteristics of the sample: the size and the design of sample guarantee for a level of confidence of 95% a margin of error of ±2.9 points for the state proportion and ±5.0 for each one of the regions. Analysis and information processing of results: Given the sampling design it was necessary to use expansion factors, which calculated like the inverse one of the probability of selection of the interviewed person. Once fact the rise of the survey calculated Human factors of adjustment by nonanswer and deviations of the population parameters of sex and edad.Recursos: 20 interviewers, 5 supervisors, 3 coordinators, 15 capturistas, 1 supervisor of capture and 2 investigadores.Realización: The survey was made by company BGC, Ulises Beltrán and Asociados, S. C.. Forecastle 63, Col. Race course. Mexico, D.F. Tel. [phone].

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33. Update

Didnt see the new thread start. I posted these over at thread #1

1)
Latest from iteration

The caravan of over 100 vehichles has successfully made it to Oaxaca.

The police have sealed off the downtown area with razor wire.

March to start soon.

Send prayers.

2)
Many have complained about the MSM blackout of Oaxaca. But personally I prefer a blackout to the coverage they do. Example is USA Today story. Ive translated some of it from MSM doublespeak to a human tongue.

USA Today says;
Thousands of federal police brace for leftist march in embattled Mexican city

Truth
Thousands of APPO members and supporters brace for police brutality during their march in embattled Mexican city


USA Today says;
Masked federal police clutching automatic rifles took positions on rooftops and reinforced blockades below, preparing for a leftist march Sunday that many fear could spark another episode of violence in this embattled southern city.

Truth
Masked federal police clutching automatic rifles took positions on rooftops and sealed off the downtown area with razorwire, preparing for a leftist march Sunday that many fear could spark another episode of police and paramilitary violence in this embattled southern city.

USA Today says:
Across town, rickety buses and cars carrying leftists from across Mexico rolled into a public university campus guarded by protesters bearing clubs and gasoline bombs.

Truth
Across town, rickety buses and cars carrying APPO supporters from across Mexico, after being illegally detained and photographed by police, rolled into a public university campus guarded by protesters bearing clubs and gasoline bombs.

(Isnt it funny how police and paramilitary forces with tanks, helicopter gunships and assualt rifles can be made to sound like theyre David against the fierce Goliath holding rocks, clubs and molotov cocktails. Give me a fucking break)

3)
This morning a student from the Technologcal Institute in front of Radio Universidad was shot in the chest. His name is Marcos Manuel Sanchez Martinez. He is still alive and receiving medical care. La Doctora says that the shooters are establishing an early morning pattern of attacks.

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34. Thanks! Post'em If You've Got'em, Everyone! n/t

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35. 11:00 ALREADY BEGINNING THE MEGAMARCHA!

From Vieintos.info
Translation via a stinking fish

11:00 ALREADY BEGINNING THE MEGAMARCHA! It is spoken of at least 20 thousand demonstrators. 10:40 commercial Means report that but of 40 vehiculos between trucks and light trucks of the PFP they are to the interior of bunker where around 1500 policias they are ready for a possible confrontation. the 10:39 caravan that partio of the Federal District already is yesterday to the interior of the City of Oaxaca and reunio for minutes with the rest of the contingents that participated in megamarcha. 10:28 Are already but of 3 thousand people those that are enuentran reunited in the public square of Viguera hoping the hour that the march begins. 10:06 were found the sockets of the bullets with which they hurt to Marks Manuel Sanchez Martìnez, these are of caliber 3-80mm. the 9:54 companion hurt of bullet this morning to the interior of the university, està being operated at the moment in the social insurance. 9:40 Downtown of Oaxaca is surrounded with difìcil wire of puas reason why serà that accomplish a mission of appo to arrive until zòcalo. 9:35 people already està congrengando itself in the public square of Viguera stop in minutes màs to give beginning to sixth megamarcha by the dignity of the towns of Oaxaca. Hard compass. We will win. the 8:15 caravan that partiò dìa of of the City of Mexico is yesterday in Nochixtlan, several light trucks of triquis and settlers near the city of Oaxaca have been united him. 07:12 Marks Manuel Sanchez Martinez have been hurt of bullet in torax to the interior of the city of the college student 06:56 Hay shootings in the two barricades near the university. By file AT 2006-11-05 02:43

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36. THE NATION: Que Pasa en Oaxaca?

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061120/oaxaca


Que Pasa en Oaxaca?

Michael McCaughan

A virtual state of siege prevails in Oaxaca City where thousands of military police have occupied the central square and surrounding streets, clearing barricades and detaining dozens of opposition activists. The city's emergency services are idle while banks and schools remain closed and the city center, usually bustling with tourists, has the air of a ghost town. The hub of activity has shifted to the Santo Domingo church where thousands of activists gather daily to swap news, make plans and denounce police brutality.

The federal police occupation began on October 28 with an aggressive push toward the Zocalo (town square) which was occupied in June by teachers, students and workers demanding the removal of discredited state governor Ulises Ruiz. The roots of the conflict go back a month earlier when teachers occupied the city square in demand of better pay. This annual protest dates back twenty-six years and the ritual typically ends with a small wage increase being approved. This time, however, Governor Ruiz violently evicted the teachers from the square, provoking a popular uprising.

Workers and students united to shut down government offices and seized local radio and television stations. The state government ground to a halt and Ruiz has gone into hiding, communicating through paid announcements in the press.

CONTINUED AT LINK ABOVE

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37. The March Is Huge!

the 12:36 march is one of but concurred since beginning the movement with near means millon of participants, extends from vigueras to channel 9 in Santa Rosa. The people of all the districts have left her houses and she has been added to the march, the popular outcry is to arrive at the center. They are but of 12 km of march.

[Wiley50]

38. AREEMENTS OF PLENARY COUNCIL OF APPO 5 NOV 06

mbre 5th, 2006 Agreements of the Plenary General of day 3 of November of the 2006. Writing by Press in the News, Bulletins of Press Popular assembly of the Towns of Oaxaca Agreements of the Plenary General of day 3 of November of the 2006. CONSENSUSES: 1. The APPO declares that the battle of day 2 of November against the PFP, was a political triumph for the town of Oaxaca. 2. The exit of URO is not resignable nor negotiable. 3. I engage in a dialog with the Federal Government was reinitiated until there are conditions to establish it (freedom to all the political prisoners, presentation with life of the disappear, stop to the haltings and tortures, immediate cancellation of ace you order of apprehension, immediate exit of the PFP of the state of Oaxaca). 4. We demanded: freedom immediate to all the political prisoners, presentation with life of the disappear, stop to the haltings and tortures, immediate cancellation of you order them of apprehension, immediate of all the detents installed in the state, halting of paramilitary, high retirement to the harassment to Radio the University. Respect to the university Autonomy and immediate exit of the PFP of the state of Oaxaca. TASKS. * To fortify the Congress of the APPO, that was made days 10, 11 and 12 of November. * To retake the political offensive in the popular mobilization. * To continue fortifying the sensibilización campaign the elements of the PFP. * To impel state civic unemployment * To continue impelling the disappearance of powers for the state of Oaxaca. * To protect and to improve the radio signal university and to look for possibilities of alternative radio. * To fortify the permanent long wait of the seat of Sto. Domingo. * To continue fortifying regional actions and the construction of APPO in all the regions of the state. To continue fortifying the internal organization of the APPO. * To contact with the caravans that come from different points from country to establish the tasks. * To summon to the meeting with the relatives of the prisoners and disappeared to denounce the repression before means. * To continue fortifying the National Assembly of the towns of Mexico tying with the diverse unitary projects. * To continue consolidating the diplomatic front that allows us to fortify our movement and to advance with our central demands. * To fortify to the movement in the following stage: regional actions, wagon blockades, taking of city councils. * To follow the coordination with the teaching and to exhort it so that we elaborate a unique plan of action. * To look for the suitable mechanisms to lower the information to the bases. * To send a SOS to national and international solidarity to stop the repression. * To impel I engage in a dialog with the civil society. * To impel the national mobilization and international for the cover our movement. * To impel the work of politicalization to our bases. * To impel the consultation to the bases by means of a direction document. * To impel the route to the barricades for information and consults. * To summon to the barricades that conform provisional committees of APPO and to incorporate them to the plenary ones of the APPO. UPRISINGS. * We denounced to the companies Chedrahui and Tubos and Conexiones, Gugar, as well as to the industralists Luis Fernandez of the Field, Neftali Garci'a, Fredy Alcántara and all the other industralists and companies who has collaborated with the occupation forces. ACTION PLAN. No. DATE ACTIVITY DURATION ORDERED 1 3 of Nov. Permanent campaign of sensibilización of the PFP Permanently Commission of press and security. 2 Establecer communication with the caravans to define actions. Commission of organization. 3 4 of Nov. State assembly of Teaching. 10 Secc hours. 22 4 Preparar the reception of caravans 5 5 of Nov. State mobilization. 10 hours. Exit. Cruise of Viguera. All the town of Oaxaca participates. 6 6 of Nov. Dialogues with the civil society in the Cathedral of the CD of Oaxaca. 7 10, 11 and 12 of Nov. Constituent congress of the APPO. 8 hrs. Hotel of the Teaching. All the elect delegates for the congress participate. 0 Comments

[Wiley50]

39. Announced on Radio APPO: Size Of March

12:36 This march is one of the most attended marches since the beginning of the movement, with nearly half a million participating. It extends from Vigueras to Canal 9 in Santa Rosa. People from all neighborhoods have come out and joined the march, the people clamoring to reach downtown. The march is more than twelve kilometers long

[phusion]

40. Excellent job, Wiley50!

Keep up the good work!

:toast:

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Watching the videos from you tube

and spanish being my first language... and I know this will not be pupular... but... the police did show incredible restrraint... and it was a good thign they were not armed... or they would surely have opened fire.

That said, this crisis is just deepening.

On edit, no wonder the Feds got involved... the local Police would have had a far less profesional taken on it... and yes they can have a different level of training and response...

But this is a continuation of the revolution that started and has been simering since '95 and it is a response to globalization

[zimba]

43. Restraint?

You mean they didnt open up with gunfire. No, they usually leave this to the paramilitary forces which is a common MO. But restraint? Im not sure which youtube stuff you saw, but I can guaranttee you that both the PFP and PRistas have been waging a violent war against APPO, Zapatistas and other indigenous peoples fighting for what little they have for so long that any restraint shown in a video clip is not the order of the day in Oaxaca.

[Wiley50]

44. Thev Local Police Have been a Defacto Paramilitary For URO

URO is the Governor of Oaxaca.

He sent his Paramilitaries to break up the teacher's strike back in June.
That's how this all got started.

All of the killings since then were done by these Paramilitaries

It helps to understand the whole situation.

APPO is a NONVIOLENT MOVEMENT

I know that wasn't what happend last Thursday at the University
I've seen the video.

But, These people were defending the University Radio station.
It is their only means of communicating with each other.
Also, The paramilitaries had been shooting people all week and that very morning.
They shot people that morning and were shooting at the radio station trying
to knock it off of the air. Several people had been killed. Also, the Feds
were attacking them with lots of teargas grenades, from choppers and the ground.
One of these grenades killed someone and they injured several.
Yes, in this situation, the people got pissed off

Per the Mexican Constitution, the University is AUTONOMOUS
and police ,Local or Federal, are forbidden to enter
unless requested by the Rector. The Rector told them NOT to enter the university.

The APPO, as a RULE, DO NOT HAVE OR USE FIREARMS
IF THEY MUST DEFEND THEMSELVES THEY USE ROCKS, STICKS AND FIREWORKS
AND, IN THIS CASE, THEY DID USE SOME MOLOTOV COCKTAILS

The federal police want that radio station off the air real bad
but, they cannot legally touch it. But, they tried anyway.
They were driven off.

[rman]

52. They are relativly restrained in official police operations

I think the last thing that the current Mexican govt wants is a blood bath.

[EFerrari]

76. A public one, anyway. We need to keep letting them know

that the world is watching.

[Wiley50]

42. www.iteration.com/radioAPPO IS ACTIVE NOW

18:56 < pseudo> (Ty, I will translate now)
19:02 < pseudo> People of oaxaca, we know that even thogh our people has been arrested, we wont quit....
19:02 < pseudo> wWe have a Call.....

19:03 < pseudo> I want to say that TV show(lolita de la vega).....
19:03 < kev> r universidad: http://216.240.136.6:8000/radiouniversidad.mp3.m3u
19:03 < kev> is back!

19:03 < pseudo> this TV show was totally in favor ofUlises Ruiz
19:03 < pseudo> and agianst the people of oaxaca
19:03 < pseudo> they said, that there has been plenty of law violations
19:04 < pseudo> The tv show was manipulated in order to support ulises ruiz
19:05 < pseudo> Lolita de la vega, once charged Roberto madrazo 400,000 pesos for making an interview for him
19:05 < pseudo> This kind of tv shows only makes us more angry....
19:07 < pseudo> I know that people all around mexico wont believe what these tv news program shows
19:08 < pseudo> THe force that comes from our people hearts will succed
19:08 < pseudo> a better future for us is comming
19:09 < pseudo> We now Lolita de la vega (televisa) is the lover of Ulises ruiz brother

19:10 < pseudo> The mega marcha is arriving downtown oaxaca
19:10 < pseudo> Another Call...
19:12 < pseudo> (sorry I couldnt get these call, )
19:12 < pseudo> Another call....

19:12 < pseudo> We are now at the place of the mega marcha
19:12 < pseudo> we are arriving at santo domingo
19:13 < pseudo> the mega marcha is growing, more people is joining us
19:14 < pseudo> They joy and the discipline rule this mega marcha
19:15 < pseudo> Thank you people of oaxaca, we are still on air...
19:15 < pseudo> a revolutionary greeting to all our listeners
19:16 < pseudo> (music)

[Wiley50]

45. Lateset Update From MegaMarch via iteration.org/radioappo

Subject: Lastest Updates from March-2:45- via RadioAppo/ iteration.org
Message:
19:47 < pseudo> downtown oaxaca if filled with people
19:47 < pseudo> there is not enough room for all of us
19:47 < pseudo> The PFP has been surrounded by us
19:49 < pseudo> There is not enough room for all of us, the zocalo is already packed, and the tail of the mega marcha is far at the tecnoligico
19:50 < pseudo> This mega marcha is to demmand federal govermment to remove Ulises Ruiz, and for us to stay united
19:51 < pseudo> we are trying to calculate how many people are there at the mega marcha
19:52 < pseudo> We demmand the inmediate removal of the PFP and Ulises ruiz
19:53 < pseudo> This marcha has been greater than any other demonstration we ever had
19:54 < pseudo> We have lived for more than 77 years under the power of PRI
19:54 < pseudo> we now still suffer from this PRI power
19:54 < pseudo> There are surely more than 1 millon people at the mega marcha

19:55 < pseudo> For our town, for our children, for our rights, for our parents, for our natural resources....
19:56 < pseudo> no step back
19:56 < pseudo> we have to recover what belongs to us
19:56 < pseudo> (music)

20:12 < pseudo> Well, comrades, we are here back at radio universidad
20:13 < pseudo> we are waiting to our comrades to establish communication from the mega marcha
20:13 < pseudo> MArio perez morales is missing
20:14 < pseudo> We are going to read one last time a message regardign we calling people from la sierra
20:15 < pseudo> assambly today at 4 pm at hotel magisterio, ( to all teachers)
20:16 < pseudo> Jose Mario perez, please call home
20:17 < pseudo> The curch is asking ulises to leave....
20:22 < mahtin> caller: please watch out for infiltrators
20:22 < mahtin> i think he said he's att he plaza de santo domingo, which is totally full of people
20:24 < pseudo> They estimate some 1,200,000 people at the mega marcha, its a 4 Km long marcha

[Wiley50]

46. The PFP is a prisoner of its own barricades

This is the 6th magamarch against Ulises Ruiz, the sixth time that
around a million people march for the departure of the tyrant and
murderer. This time there are witnesses from all over the world to
what has happened. They have arrived

At this moment the megamarch of APPO avances normally, towards the
historical center of the city of Oaxaca, at it seems they will make
there first stop in the plaza of Santo Domingo. The march of
Oaxacans and those in solidarity, has a length of 2.5 kilometers.

They have filled the dowtown of Oaxaca, which is insufficiently
(small) for the arriving multitudes.

source: those monitoring Radio Universidad

[rman]

47. Thousands of police vs over a million people,

and the world is watching - be it with only half an eye...

[Wiley50]

48. Medical update man for man shot early today/ Defense of Radio Station

from radio appo:

20:36 < schock> there's a medical report on the student who was hurt this morning at the university
20:37 < schock> ruptured pancreas
20:37 < schock> lung
20:37 < schock> need blood donations
20:38 < schock> we need help for the family of this compañero
20:38 < schock> we can't leave them alone
20:38 < schock> for all the families of the fallen
20:38 < schock> panfilo, alejandro,

Here they defend their need to defend their radio station:

20:41 < mahtin> they will attack us from the air, and try to destroy our radio station...
20:41 < mahtin> they are also made of flesh and bone
20:41 < mahtin> we are going to defend the radio...
20:42 < mahtin> our ancestors gave us the will to defend what is ours, what belongs to the people

[Wiley50]

49. Est crowd 1.3 million / further medical update and appeal for blood

15:16Concluye the meeting in the socle of Oaxaca, after the march that had the attendance of 1 millon 300 thousand people, with the agreement to install a permanent long wait in this seat, and a student agreement 11 and 12 of November. 14:50El companion Frame Manuel Sanchez coolaborador Martinez of radio university hurt by two firings this morning, is burdens, took care of it in the IMSS, had to him to clear the glass and suturaron esofago the kidney and the lung, asks for Or-positive blood. the 14:17 While the town of Oaxaca overflows in the street demanding the destitution of ulises ruin and exit of the PFP this stays intrenched in zocalo detras of wires of puás and with its light tanks of water ignited and list to be used. It seems that they have not understood that with the repression they do not podran to stop the decision of the town. 13:56 In a connection to radio university it is reported that the center of Oaxaca this plenty and does not even arrive nor the fourth part, the rear of the manifestation this todavia to the height of the tecnologico. 13:25 the contingents that head the march estan arriving already at the seat of Santo Domingo. a 12:58 call to radio university reported that today the market of supplies in the locality of Mitla without pesentar an order was evacuated to the 10:30 a.m. that argued tapeworm to become it, blames the Town hall municipàl Fortino Martinez priísta Piero of facion, this market tapeworm 32 years of antiguedad.

[Wiley50]

50. More excerpts from Radio Universidad

21:16 < schock> from plaza santo domingo where the march ended
21:16 < schock> the march was more than 1 million 300 thousand people
21:16 < schock> it doesn't matter how many there were
21:16 < schock> there is a call for unity and solidarity
21:16 < schock> all the people of oaxaca in solidarity
21:16 < schock> there were a lot of people

21:17 < schock> it began at 11am
21:17 < schock> ended at plaza santo domingo
21:17 < schock> this megamarcha had a lot of people who came from outside oaxaca, all over oaxaca
21:17 < schock> we don't want the police, or URO
21:17 < schock> thousands of people came out
21:17 < schock> oaxaca is advancing politically
21:17 < schock> people who thought we'd be stopped have been proven wrong
21:18 < schock> the federal forces couldn't stop us
21:18 < schock> we're in the fight for unity

21:19 < schock> call us and tell us where you can hear our signal
21:19 < schock> and where you can't
21:19 < schock> it's very important

21:19 < schock> welcome to the different companeros
21:19 < schock> there is a companero wounded
21:19 < schock> 22
21:19 < schock> <22 what?>
21:20 < schock> what kinds of arms they were using
21:20 < schock> there were shots here at the university
21:20 < schock> fortunately there was just the one wounded
21:21 < schock> the state government and all the bureaucrats are responsible
21:21 < schock> today we were shot at in the morning
21:21 < schock> by gunmen
21:21 < schock> please come support us
21:21 < schock> stay alert to this situation
21:21 < schock> this is why we are here, for you
21:22 < schock> we have to come every day, day after day

21:22 < schock> no one has the right to take our lives, our liberty
21:22 < schock> we have the right to act
21:22 < schock> to move freely
21:23 < schock> don't have fear
21:23 < schock> they won't move us
21:23 < schock> we won't take a step back


21:24 < schock>

21:27 < schock> it's no 2 days that we've had interference

21:33 < mahtin> tanks, bazookas, etc - even with all that technology, (they can't beat us)
21:33 < mahtin> please discuss in #indymedia
21:36 < mahtin> we have to arrive at some very general agreements, support each other, we didn't really know each other before
21:36 < mahtin> as far as the gov't, provocateurs, etc- they are trying to divide us
21:36 < mahtin> some of us have been disappeared...
21:36 < mahtin> as much as they try to divide us, our movement, but we have to come together once again
21:37 < mahtin> again we demand that URO get out

21:38 < mahtin> they can't figure out a concrete solution
21:38 < mahtin> we have to remember that they, weather with riots or whatever, they can't solve it and we have to remember that at the end, the people have the final word

[Wiley50]

51. Photo of Marchers

[Wiley50]

53. Reports of Police provocateurs/ Announcment of Youth Meeting 07 Nov

21:44 < schock> there are police dressed in grey
21:44 < schock> there were people provoking people who participated in the march
21:44 < schock> careful at street 5 de mayo
21:44 < schock> that's where there are grey dressed police provoking people
21:45 < schock> people are sick of the bad government

22:02 < schock> there are grey dressed police trying to provoke us to respond to aggression
22:02 < schock> but we are peaceful
22:02 < schock> we are marching against this fascist government
22:03 < schock> the federal police are provoking, but we are peaceful
22:03 < schock> our form of struggle is multitudinous, peaceful
22:03 < schock> now we have daily insecurity
22:03 < schock> based on the so called arrival of the 'security' forces
22:04 < schock> some comment that there are federal police provoking demonstrators
22:04 < schock> if you have a camera or videocamera
22:04 < schock> take images of them, it's important

22:05 < schock> some people can come here to the radio
22:05 < schock> this tuesday at 3pm in the university
22:05 < schock> there will be a meeting of youth and students
22:05 < schock> and others who are part of this movement
22:05 < schock> this is a call to people to participate

22:06 < schock> it's also youth who have put their shoulders to the wheel
22:06 < schock> we know that the means of communication are important
22:06 < schock> we know how important is the role
22:06 < schock> we're fighting for the young people as well
22:07 < schock> those in
22:07 < schock> for a better future

22:07 < schock> we know that the federal government wants to privatize the university
22:07 < schock> don't privatize the university
22:08 < schock> fight and struggle so that we get more people in school and so that it gets less expensive
22:09 < schock> tuesday at 3pm in front of the radio is the meeting

22:09 < schock> 7 november, tuesday, 3pm, in front of the radio at the university
22:09 < schock> also the 11th and 12th in the national student encounter we will be there
22:10 < schock> students, and young people who are not students, have proposals too

22:10 < schock> just like the march of today
22:10 < schock> the young people are reflected in the situation
22:10 < schock> we should march to strengthen the movements
22:10 < schock> and to put our own proposals

22:10 < schock> don't let the federal government breakit up by sector
22:11 < schock> we remember what happened in chiapas
22:11 < schock> they were attacked and repressed

22:11 < schock> in the national student encounter we will call for the students to support the movements and have our own proposals

[meganmonkey]

54. Thank you Wiley

for your hard work on this!!!

:applause:

[zimba]

55. To the People of Oaxaca

You make us all feel proud. Thank you.

[Wiley50]

56. March Note #2- OSAG by Nancy Davies

The march arrived at Santo Domingo about 1:40 PM. Among the marchers men, women, and children of all ages arrived unmolested, carrying banners and slogans against Ulises Ruiz and condeming Fox for sending the PFP. No Federal Police accosted them along the way, although in precaution the women from the Mixteca carried sharpened sticks and the men carried iron rebars -none of them young people since most of the mountain towns survive bereft of their young people who migrated.

Young people did participate, but not as many as one might have thought, from what these photos show. The crowd continued arriving for about two hours -I would guess maybe 300,00 but I have no official count as yet. Photographers swarmed on the streets and roofs. APPO and teacher leaders addressed the crowd in front of Santo Domingo, and congratulated them on their courage and dignity. The streets around Santo Domingo were completely filled with the protest marchers.

As it begins to darken, the radio mentions that the FPF could be nasty if poeple try to enter the zocalo. Up until now they have not, and discipline is holding well. In fact, people are weary and want peace, with the PFP out of their state. The tanquetes and police were clearly visible at the southern end of the street parallel to Santo Domingo. They did not venture away from the empty zocalo.

The shooters by dark have repeatedly been identified as PRIistas or their hired thugs. The young student shot this morning is surviving, although there has been a hassle at the public hospital. The nurse director wants Sanchez Martinez (?) moved to a special hospital, but since he is a student he's entitled to public services and the radio is calling for mothers to go to the hospital in aid of the youngster's family to demand that he not be moved. La Doctora, a medical doctor who teaches at he university, says he's better off where he is.

[Wiley50]

72. Dean Gibson writes on OSAG

Re: the march note number 2

Thanks for that. When I said "an expansion of what already exists",
I meant an expansion of popular assemblies that exist all over
Oaxaca. And I guess big "S" socialism has baggage (partisan,
hierarchical, and top down), but small "s" and hyphenated social-ism
could mean social and popular formations (and as you clarified:
participatory and horizontal), and is still a useful construction
IMO. But if it spreads and becomes popular assemblism, so be it!

[Wiley50]

57. Bishop Ruiz in Oaxaca- OSAG by Nancy Davies

I am constantly amazed at the complete lack of comprehension of what is going on, usually by middle class Mexicans, and almost universally by US academics and retired people. They have no knowledge of how socilaism functions in Europe, but even more to the point, the movement is a popular assembly movement, not a socialist movement. It's based on governing by direct democracy. I have been over to Santo Domingo several times since the expulsion from the zocalo, and before that to the zocalo, and what I saw and heard over and over again is small group discussion. There's a seciton chief who explains what he thinks the situation is, and then there's discussion. Eventually the section chief reports back to assembly with a specific count of how people voted.

In direct contradiciton to what people say about the APPO having no plan, they do indeed. And I don't know if you'd like to describe the economic part of the plan as socialism or simply as autonomy. You all can read it on the OSAG site, translated and posted. The basic economic position is, we want to control our own resources --and don't forget that Oaxaca is a state wealthy in resources with an impoverished population. Where are the goodies going?

November 10-12 the APPO will become the AEPPO, the formal state assembly of the poeples. The popular assembly movement is not interested in political parties -it is a method of reaching accords based on face to face discussion, the"leading by obeying" model, and the value of agreement rather than of opposition.

[Wiley50]

74. fusedmax wrote on OSAG

Re: Re: Bishop Ruiz in Oaxaca

Quibleing about weather this is a Big Cap socialist or small cap socialist movement is counter-productive. It is what it is from one moment to the next. It is evolving, and not into something that meets the European or U.S . criteria or standards. The Oaxacan Commune is generatig a new paradigm, minute by minute.

If you are locked into older models, and have an intellectual attachment to them, you will probably be baffled and dissapointed. Stay loose.

Max

[gorbal]

58. Sign letter of support of the people of Oaxaca

This is from the "Friends of Brad Will" blog-

LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE OF OAXACA

As fellow media makers and artists, we are writing to honor the memory of independent journalist, filmmaker, and respected activist Brad Will, who was brutally murdered while filming the grassroots popular movement in Oaxaca, Mexico.

Along with Brad, six other people were killed this past week by officials of the illegitimate government of Ulises Ruiz and the federal forces that are now occupying Oaxaca. Among them were: Emilio Alonso Fabián (professor), José Alberto López Bernal (nurse), Fidel Sánchez García (construction worker) and Esteban Zurita López.

We are extremely alarmed to see that rather than cracking down on the violent paramilitaries who have been launching regular attacks on the people of Oaxaca, President Vicente Fox is using these murders as a pretext for escalating violence against the popular grassroots organization of the people of Oaxaca.

In solidarity with the people of Oaxaca, we add our voices to these demands:

1. Ulises Ruiz out of Oaxaca!
2. Immediate withdrawal of the occupying federal forces from Oaxaca!
3. Immediate and unconditional freedom for all detainees!
4. Justice for all murdered compañeros and punishment of guilty parties on all levels!

We make these demands in support of the Oaxacan people's efforts to establish a popular government that recognizes local traditions and values.

JUSTICE, FREEDOM, AND DEMOCRACY FOR THE PEOPLE OF OAXACA!
Michael Albert
Tariq Ali
Anthony Arnove
Stanley Aronowitz
Daniel Berger
John Berger
Noam Chomsky
Mike Davis
Roisin Davis
Bernadine Dohrn
Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz
Eve Ensler
Gustavo Esteva
Eduardo Galeano
Danny Glover
David Graeber
Michael Hardt
Sonali Kolhatkar
Naomi Klein
Anna Lappe
Anthony Lappe
Camilo Mejía
Alessandra Moctezuma
Michael Moore
Mira Nair
Antonio Negri
Oscar Olivera
Francis Fox Piven
John Pilger
Katha Pollitt
Arundhati Roy
Jeremy Scahill
Danny Schechter
Wallace Shawn
Starhawk
Gloria Steinem
Jonathan Tasini
Alice Walker
Howard Zinn

Sign here-

http://www.friendsofbradwill.org/wp-content/plugins/petitions/wp-petitions.php?action=show&petition_id=2

[Wiley50]

59. Sixth Megamarcha 2006 in Oaxaca

from vientos.info


Sixth Megamarcha 2006 in Oaxaca
posteado by krutaay in Nov 06, 2006 < 00:14 >
With a diffusion little in the streets of the call to ã Megamarcha and announced by Radio University (for three days) ã Megamarcha was made from the cruise of Viguera (located in the federal superhighway towards the city of Mexico) course to the temple of Santo Domingo in the historical center, present rebellious camping. The manifestation told on an approximated participation of a million demonstrators, taking into account constant interference the wireless station, which relatively diminished the affluence of the population oaxaqueña.

This Sixth Megamarcha that it initiated to 11:00 which lasted three hours (and a little more) fué headed by the COFADAPPO (Committee of Relatives and Friends of the Disappear, Assassinated and Imprisoned Politicians of Oaxaca) and Municipal Authorities (20 municipal presidents) of different municipalities from the North Mountain range of Oaxaca.

Also the members of the Caravan in originating support to the popular movement were added oaxaqueño of the City of Mexico, Michoacán, Puebla, State of Mexico, as well as the Universities of Chapingo, Independent Metropolitan Iztapalapa and the UNAM.

The supports were not made wait for, because inhabitants of different colonies offered water and fruit to the demonstrators, whereas others were added more to numerous and animated the contigente one.

At the end of the march food in different points was offered from the participants of the manifestation, who decided to mount a right permanent long wait to three blocks of the camping that has been maintaining for one week the federal forces.

During mítin the main demand of the popular movement was reaffirmed that is the exit of (the ex)gobernador Ulises Ruiz Ortiz and the Preventive Federal Policia of the State of Oaxaca.

Teachers reaffirm their combative decision of not returning to classes!, as the case of the teachers of Central Valleys; Mario Cross, Secretary General of this one region said that in the towns minimum conditions do not exist to carry out the activities educational, because military detents exist that stop to teachers and students.

[Wiley50]

60. To the Preventive Federal Police:

To the Preventive Federal Police:

Police, you also are poor, also are brown. Sight to your companions, mírate to you, observes the color of your complexion that is the same color of those against which you shoot to the gases and the bullets of the pattern. He watches your equipment, the light tanks, the helicopters, all the town has paid them, you also have paid them with your pay and now with your blood. The salesmen of the arms and the equipment that you use are very comfortable in their great houses, in the climate of their great cars, feed themselves either, live or, however you, you are the face and the meat of tube that badly the cowardly government offer to strike the town that is your town. It observes against who combats: women, children, old, students, professors. She writes down the shortages that you live while you fulfill your ruthless mission, perhaps you go away unpunished, police, yours perhaps rescue to you, perhaps in the long run you get to be an authentic champion of the death and they send to you to take courses in Israel or the United States. Perhaps someday you get to have all whatever you dream at the cost of bleeding yours. She continues dreaming police. Nondesire that truncates your dreams, ojala that become reality, but in that case I ask to BOND the PAIN to you? YOU WILL GET TO ENJOY The PRIVILEGES FROM WHICH YOUR PATTERN ENJOYS? You have doctor surely? You have pension? What you will do when such they abuse your woman and they torture your children? WHAT YOU WILL DO WHEN THEY DISAPPEAR YOUR CORPORATION? YOU WILL FOLLOW IN THE CRIME? Today combats the education, police, today combats a town that as you it lives to the day to come out ahead. You also are victim, police, you can fail in the taking of a seat and leave wounded, or can squash a revolt, kill, torture and to be a hero for your pattern: that he is the unique one that leaves winning. It returns to your house, police, leaves the boots, it sees take care of of your family. I know that you have companions who you did not want to leave, I know that you are loyal to your friends battle, this is well. But elije your fight, this one is not your fight. Dile to your pattern that if it wants to repress the people who come he in person and is not cowardly. You are TOWN, police. You have the power to decide. Those against which today you beat to you have I decide to fight by their dignity, by their family and they are not going away to crack easy that. They do not have anything to lose fighting. You do not leave another alternative them, police. But you if you have it. This barbarism finishes already, see eat with your town, your town that shares the sweat and its bread. Your town that will be the unique one that receives to you and pardons when to your PATTERNS no longer you serve to them. Your town that never it has despised to you and that if today it offends to you is only because you raise you arm against him. It is enough whereupon you take off the uniform and you lay down the arms again to be town, police. You do not fight by that people who from her writing-desk command to you and use. Such that despises and humiliates by the color of your complexion and your humble origin to you. It wakes up, police! TODAY YOU ARE FIGHTING YOUR OWN TOWN!
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61. LIST OF DISAPPEAR, STOPPED And ASSASSINATED OAXACA

PRISONERS POLITICOS IMMEDIATE And UNCONDITIONAL FREEDOM
SOURCE:
updated to the 1 of November from 2006 to 24:00 hrs


Died

27-oct-06
BRAD Will ROLAND (Reporter, Indy-NYC), Assassinated in the Barricade of Calicanto the 27 of October of the 2006.
Emilio Alonso FABIAN, professor of the community of Candlemas Loxicha, Oaxaca.
Esteban ZURITA, Professor

29-10-2006

Fidel SANCHEZ GARCI'A. Bricklayer. He died because of impacts of firearm (found by the Technological Institute)
Jose Alberto LOPEZ BERNAL. Nurse of the IMSS. He died because of impact of tear gas grenade in the chest

* A boy of 12 years by impact of firearm. Not confirmed


* A teacher of whom was found the body in San Pedro Juxtlahuaca (population located to 8 km Of the Technological bridge). There is no certainty


Died information nonconfirmed speech of three more by the course of the Airport, Way to the Park the Tequio.




Hurt

27 of October of the 2006

Francisco ANGELS
Mildeberto Carmona Cross, 31 years, Hurt of Bullet in the left shoulder. Source General Hospital.
David CROSS
Enedino CROSS SANCHEZ, 18 years, impact of bullet in the left hand. Source: The Red Cross.
Guillermo GARCI'A
Juan Carlos LOPEZ, hurt in the right flank
Martín OLIVERA ORTIZ, hurt of bullet in the high part of the left thigh
Osvaldo RAMIREZ (Reporter of the Millenium), hurt of bullet in the foot. Photographer of the Universal one
Arming X
Gersain Pichel Lopez, hurt 27 of October, Hurt of Bullet in the right arm. Source General Hospital.
René RAMIREZ SANCHEZ, in the right leg.




28/octubre/2006
Ramon RENTERAL (Wounded in barricade of Sta. Anita)
Abdel Mesa *
Juan Andrés Robles Jiménez (wounded the 27 of October in the Barricade of Calicanto). Source: RELATIVE.
Frame Antonio Saline Carmona. Hurt with firearm. Source ISSSTE.
Juan Andrés Robles Juárez. Hurt with firearm. Source ISSSTE
Víctor Antonio Saline Carmona, bullet wound 5 shots. Source ISSSTE.
Samuel Chávez Hernandez, hurt with instrument I jab sharp. Red Cross Source.
Teofilo Hernandez Sanchez, contusions and excoriaciones. Red Cross Source.
Esteban Ortiz Jiménez, bullet wound in the Right leg. Red Cross Source
Lucio David Stopped Cross. Hurt of raft in the neck. Source General Hospital
Fernando Gonzalo Camacho Llaguno. Contusion in the right leg. Source General Hospital
Eduardo Hernandez Sanchez. Contusion in left the Parietal region. Source General Hospital.
Gilberto Lopez Vásquez. Previous avulsiva wounded of neck and chin. Source General Hospital.



Stopped
29/octubre/2006

REAL Abdón AGUILAR (farmer)
Alexander ALCÁNTARA GONZÁLEZ (masterful)
Javier Mateo CALDERÓN (craftsman)
Jesus CANAZCO or CANSECO GARCI'A
Mamerto GARCI'A MAGALLÓN or MAGAÑA (intendant)
Robert Carlos GARCI'A MARIJUANA USER (he is wounded)
Monastery GIRÓN PABLO (masterful)
Reynaldo or Raimundo GO'MEZ MARTINEZ (retailer)
Alberto Manuel GUADALUPE (promotional bilingue)
Alberto BALD HERNANDEZ (Retailer)
Teodoro LOPEZ GUTIÉRREZ (tinsmith)
Daniel MOON MENDOZA (Park of the love). Conf. Miahuatlan
Youngest child MARÍN GARCI'A (masterful)
Cristina MARTINEZ PEREZ (she is wounded)
Arturo MAGALLÓN RAMIREZ (retailer)
SALINE Gosesio MENDOZA (Bricklayer)
BALD Apolinar NORIEGA (taxi driver)
Juan Manuel ORTIZ GONZÁLEZ (worker of the IEEPO)
Ulises RUIZ LOPEZ (Carcel de Miahuatlan)
Gerald SANCHEZ (he is wounded, penitentiary of Tlacolula)
Isidro MANUELES ILESCAS. Conf. Miahuatlan
Jose Manuel RAMIREZ ZARATE. Conf. Miahuatlan
Pedro HERNANDEZ AGUILAR. Conf. Miahuatlan.
Elizabeth XALA VÁSQUEZ. Conf. Miahuatlan.
Gerald VALDEZ VALDEZ. Miahuatlan
Daniel MEJÍA MARTINEZ. Conf. Miahuatlan.
King Adrian FAIR KINGS. Conf. Miahuatlan
Isaac ZARATE PEREZ. Conf. Miahuatlan
Alexander Kings GUTIÉRREZ
Felix LOPEZ MEDINA. Conf. Miahuatlan.
Abraham RAMIREZ JIMÉNEZ Conf. Miahuatlan.
Said ORDAZ PEREZ or Said OMAR PEREZ. Conf. Miahuatlan.
Israel VELASCO Miahuatlan MARIJUANA USER.
Juan MARTINEZ LOPEZ
SMALL Gonzalo AGUILAR. Conf. Miahuatlan.
Juan DOLORES AGUSTÍN. Conf. Miahuatlan.
Guillermo LOPEZ CROSS. Conf. Miahuatlan.
Anastasio CONTRERAS HERNANDEZ
Jesus ANTONIO AQUINO
Mario PINEDA OF JESUS. Conf. Miahuatlan.
Pedro HERNANDEZ
Felix JIMÉNEZ
Antonio CONTRERAS/CASTELLANO HERNANDEZ. Conf. Miahuatlan.
Gerald Valdez Martinez. Conf. Miahuatlan
Israel VELASCO MARIJUANA USER. Conf. Miahuatlan
Guillermoi Lopez Cross. Miahuatlan.
Juan Dolores Agustín. Miahuatlan.
Pedro Lopez Martinez. Miahuatlan
Gerald Paolo The Pink Ramirez. Miahuatlan
Jesus Antonio Aquino. Miahuatlan.
Abraham Vale Jiménez. Miahuatlan.
Elizabeth Xala Vásquez. Miahuatlan.
Isaac Zárate Perez. Miahuatlan.
Uriel Carmona Cross. Miahuatlan
Daniel mejía Martinez. Miahuatlan
Jose Manuel Ramirez Zárate. Miahuatlan
King Adrian Perez Fair. Miahuatlan
Said Ordaz Perez. Miahuatlan
Aquiline Isidro Ramirez. Miahuatlan
30 of October

Being approximately between 4:00 and 5:00 hours in the morning, were stopped in the deviation to YUCUNDAA 17 people who traveled in several buses that came from Tlaxiaco course to the CD of Oaxaca. Elements of the PFP stopped them, struck and said that they do not put, that has the order to kill them.

Víctor I MOVE AWAY SILVER
Sergio DISTRICTS OAKS Set free in I finish constitutional.
Fidel JUÁREZ SANCHEZ
Omar JOSE PEREZ
Lucil LOPEZ
Pedro Celestine LOPEZ HERNANDEZ
Manuel LOPEZ ROCK
Miguel Angel LOPEZ ROCK
Claudius MARTINEZ
Nahúm OJEDA GARCI'A
Pedro OSORIO NICHOLAS. Release in I finish Constitutional.
Jaqueline PEREZ
Ismael PEREZ CHÁVEZ
Cuitláhuac SANTIAGO MARSHAL
Josefina SARAVIA COLONEL
Juana SOLITUDE LOPEZ
Manuel VILLEGAS DWELLS. Release in I finish constitutional
Víctor VILLEGAS
Gerald VALDES VALDES. Miahuatlan.
CASTILIAN Antonio HERNANDEZ. Miahuatlan.
Solitude KINGS LERDO (Cuicatlan)
Ramon REEDBED MENDOZA (Cuicatlan)
Elias HERNANDEZ HERNANDEZ
Juan Martinez Lopez. Miahuatlan.
Said OMAR PEREZ or Said OMAR PEREZ. Miahuatlan.
Pedro HERNANDEZ AGUILAR Miahuatlan.
Abraham IS WORTH JIMÉNEZ. Miahuatlan.
Gerald PAOLA PINK RAMIREZ. Miahuatlan
Antonio CASTILIAN HERNANDEZ. Miahuatlan.
Omar Jose Perez. Release in I finish constitutional
Manuel Alejo Silver. Release in I finish constitutional
Cuitlahuac Santiago Marshal. Release in I finish constitutional
Nahun Ojeda Garci'a. Release in I finish constitutional


Disappeared (still to corroborate)

Jesus Arturo AGUIRRE
Rose ANASTASIO RAMIREZ or Rosa ANASTASIA MARTINEZ
Uriel CARMONA CROSS
Gilberto MARTINEZ LOPEZ
Lola MÉNDEZ
Gerald RAMIREZ
Fidel SANCHEZ GARCI'A
Jesus CANSECO GARCI'A
Mauro Arturo MOGOZAN GARCI'A
Eusebio MENDOZA SABINES
Mamerto GARCI'A MAGAÑA
Raymundo GO'MEZ MARTINEZ
Alberto Miguel GUADALUPE
Ines Antonio AQUINO
RED Isaura GUTIÉRREZ
Alan AGUILAR
Javier MATEO
Ramon MENDOZA
Manuel VILLEGOS MORIA
Mª Antonia PEREZ TAKINGS
Adrian HERNANDEZ
Miguel Angel LOPEZ PEREZ
Usiel LOPEZ APARICIO
Lazaro BRANCHES
Javier ENRIQUEZ ACEVEDO
Victor I MOVE AWAY SILVER
Sergio BARRIS KINGS
Pedro OSORIO NICOLAS
Flavio I MOUNT RUIZ
Jose Manuel RAMIREZ ZARET
Pedro HERNANDEZ ZAMORA
anuel VILLEGAS MARE
oaquin Frank Martha. Disappeared the 23 of October of the 2006.


Arbitrary halting on the part of elements of the PFP

1/noviembre/ 2006

Without until the moment it is known where they are private of its freedom.

Alfonso Rutilio Garci'a Martinez. In the New Channel. Channel 9, Source the Family. Brother of the leader of the FALP.
Juan Jose Flowers Hernandez. In the Barricade of Brenamiel. Stated the halting by limeddh.
Juan Antonio Aparicio Garci'a. In the Barricade of Brenamiel. Stated the halting by limeddh.

The reference of which they were set free in terms that the constitution establishes, according to the press bulletin that emits Government of the State of Oaxaca of day 1 of November the 2006.

NOTE:

This Information, is product of the work of Investigation and constancion, of Mexican Liga by the Defense of the Human rights, Partnership for Parliamentary Dialogo and the Oaxaca Fairness, A.C., Services For an Alternative Education and Familiar (IT EDUCATES).

Modified (Thursday, 02 of November of 2006)

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62. cronoligia oaxaca 05-11-2006

SOURCE PUBLISHES:HTTP://OAXACALIBRE.ORG/LIBERTAD/INDEX.PHP
15:25, are reported from the street of 5 of May no. 203 corner with Hidalgo. A group of three people causes and agreden with stones and marbles from a resortera to people who walk in the streets of historico center.

15:06 the streets of the historical center shine completely saturated of the participants of the march.
15:00 Marco Manuel Holy, student of the Technological one baleado this morning by sicarios in the environs of the University Campus and Radio University, is stable but under intensive care after concluding the operation which it was put under.


One inquires that it requires more blood of Or-positive type, reason why is requested to him to the population to that it goes to the Social Insurance and it contributes a blood unit.


14:35 Reportan that by the Solitude are provoking groups and in a building in against corner of Santo Domingo is personnel of CISEN... to confirm


14:20 megamarcha overflow the esplanade of Santo Domingo and occupy the streets of Alcala, Garci'a Vigil, Porfirio Diaz and Crespo. Euphoric people outcry ' Socle! Socle ' while they are prepared for the beginning of the meeting. The rear of the march still goes by Giant Log.
14:00 megamarcha advance without incidents towards the historical center and in the middle of countless expressions of support of the inhabitants of the different colonies by which they advance the participants.


13:52 Them march continue advancing on the access road to the city and according to the organizers and the commission of monitoring, it will go towards the Seat of Santo Domingo, in the historical center, and it would not look for to enter the socle, which is occupied by the PFP.
13:50 Reportan that the end of megamarcha is in favor of Avenue Independence and that will be happening in front of the socle, where one is quartered the PFP, in the following minutes. The tail of megamarcha is happening through CORTV channel 9. One calculates that they march between 500.000 people: everything indicates that megamarcha is a total success
In diverse parts of the city and the environs an interference in the signal of Radio is reported University that prevents its tuning. From the dawn melodía over the voices of the radio equipment is listened to same University. It is the same tactics that used against the Law those that they try to silence the voice of the town and this movement.
Meanwhile, the pro-government official and self-appointed ' Ciudadaná Radio, well-known already popularly like ' Mapaché Radio, report that there are 5.000 people in the march, "all carried and vandals". He is enough with going out to deny that disinformation.
a 13:00 sad helicopter of the PFP flies over by where it is passing the mega marches.
12:35 Erangelio Mendoza. Integra to the mega march that is arriving towards CORTV channel 9, in this march participate contingent in the Seven Regions of Oaxaca, in addition to hundreds of people who arrived from different organizations from the country, mainly of the Federal District, Chiapas and Puebla, among others. The arrival of this social leader caused a great row between the participants to the march.
11:30 incidents in the beginning of this march are not reported. Still he remains a numerous group of people awaiting leaving in this march in the monument to Juárez, in the cruise of vigueras and Creeks of the Atoyac River
10:59 Inicio' the mega marches summoned by the Popular Assembly the Towns of Oaxaca (APPO) from the monument to Benito Juárez, in the cruise of Vigueras, on the access road to this city in the North zone.
10:02 request support of all the society in general who can grant blood type Or positive for an wounded who is in the IMSS

8:18 Trasladan to Gerald Jimenes lengthy Vásquez the past 2 of November in Tlacolula to a hospital to take part it quirurgicamente in the perforated lung.
7:37 in the morning agreden to shots to Radio University, According to preliminary reports, young the Manuel Marks Sanchez Martinez was hurt by two impacts from bullet; one in an arm and another one in the thorax
04 November 2006

20:00 are reported that by the wagon course to the Mountain range, arriving at the denominated Summit, they were observed policìas dressed civilian in motorcycles. To confirm.

17:00 Caravan is arriving at Puebla... finish passing the house of populates, where them unemployment pfp was passing the house of chalco already advance well to arrive at the city of Oaxaca.
15: 16 Acaba stopping the federal police, armed, are reviewing trucks and are filming to intimidate.
15:15 Hay nine light trucks of the PFP circulating. The indications of the coordinator of the caravan are: That the first 5 trucks will go, despues all the particular cars and in the end the nine remaining trucks and in each truck are estan registering the names and telefonos of all the participants.
14:23 Reporte of the caravan: We are leaving the DF is an attacked truck, light trucks of the PFPcirculan near the caravan with mocking faces, it is asked all the people who do not fall in probocaciónes... In adds but people and wait for the carabana with food for two thousand people.
Grn comes contingent from the universities of Chapingo, UNAM, ITAM to participate in the 6 Mega March day 05 of November (Radio University)

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63. 6th MegaMarch o5 Nov 06 Gallery

http://mexico.indymedia.org/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=89

[EFerrari]

64. It's telling me I have no permiso to look there!

Busted. :)

[Wiley50]

65. Really? I'll try to fix the link

Try Again Now

Sweetness to you sfexpat2000

[upi402]

66. "No tiene permisos para acceder a esta galería o la galería no existe"

same here

[Wiley50]

67. Gee. I just looked at them

I got there from image link on left

Here:

http://mexico.indymedia.org/tiki-index.php?

[EFerrari]

69. That page comes right up!

:thumbsup:

[EFerrari]

68. I registered and it says I'll get an email notification with

instructions.

If you'd like to, you enter a user name, then the code in the box, then a password with both numbers and letters, then the same password again.

[Wiley50]

70. I didn't have to go through all that

I found my way there from the hope page

I've been using stuff from that site for two days

no prob

[Wiley50]

71. I'm wiped. Didn't sleep a wink last night

It's time to real soon

[EFerrari]

73. It's all good, I got there. Thanks SO much for this thread

This is from July. These people have been fighting all these months. That sign says, "we want to vote."

[Wiley50]

75. Ill get some rest and do another Tommorrow n/t

[zimba]

77. Beautiful Quote from Radio APPO

"you may cut all the flowers, but you cant stop the spring"

I love it.

It's been a long time since this old radical has felt good about being a human on this planet, but I feel good now. The people of Oaxaca are showing the way. Yeah baby!

[gorbal]

79. Well at least the major media is covering the march

"Protesters March in Oaxaca and Order Police to Pull Up Stakes

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By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: November 6, 2006

OAXACA, Mexico, Nov. 5 (AP) — Thousands of anti-government demonstrators marched through this tense city on Sunday, demanding that security forces abandon positions the forces set up last week to end a five-month protest.

Masked police officers clutching automatic weapons watched from rooftops as the protesters marched to a plaza about a block away from their encampments, yelling, “Get out federal police!”

The leaders then formed a human chain to keep the crowd of an estimated 20,000 people from confronting the police, but about 400 people broke through and attacked the officers with stones and bottles. Some of the police officers lobbed rocks back, while officers on rooftops used slingshots to shoot marbles at those trying to confront the police.

A radio station at Oaxaca’s university, where the leftists had set up their base last week, reported that gunmen had fired at some protesters near the university earlier Sunday, wounding a 21-year-old student, who was taken to a public hospital.

The hospital confirmed that a student had been brought in with a bullet wound. There was no immediate government reaction to the report.

About 4,000 federal police moved into the city on Oct. 29 to restore order following a five-month protest that had rattled President Vicente Fox’s administration, scared tourists out of Oaxaca and left more than a dozen people dead, mostly protesters shot by armed gangs.

After being chased out of the city center, the demonstrators moved to the university. The police surrounded the campus last week and battled hundreds of protesters."

(snip)

link-

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/06/world/americas/06mexico.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1162810218-Kq/bB+FvdJ+FJnrE16h2Sw&oref=slogin

[gorbal]

80. Crap...they are bombing each otther this morning-

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N06203117.htm

[gorbal]

81. And more photos for when you start a new thread

http://www.flickr.com/photos/72025498@N00/

[rman]

82. Virtually no-one will question who planted the bombs -

which is why it'd be very easy for pro-PAN/PRI (RW) forces to plant those bombs in order to have it blamed in APPO/PRD.
Self-inflicted attacks for political gain, who could have imagined that?

[EFerrari]

84. These IranContra mofos have to GO. n/t

[EFerrari]

85. I don't think so. Just like they weren't shooting "each other"

in Oaxaca. The violence for the most part is going one way. Nothing at Indy Media or Narco News yet.

:-(

[EFerrari]

83. Hundreds of thousands of people Sunday:

from John Gibler / Indy Media NYC

[rman]

86. Radio APPO reported over a million,

Reuters says tens of thousands. Could be accurate depending on just how many "tens" of thousands they mean.