Was it right or wrong for Mike Jones to out Rev. Haggard?

[Philosoraptor]

Just curious to know what most folks feel about the powerful hypocrite being outed. Is it a good or a bad thing? Should more people out more hypocrites?

Wither Mike Jones?

[malaise]

1. 100% correct

Expose all hypocrites.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

9. Ditto

Push these lying bastards out into the streets so that the whole country can see them for what they are. And it's not because they're gay, it's because they're lying bastards.

[Richard Steele]

2. I'm fine with exposing HYPOCRISY. nm

[wake.up.america]

4. His sexuality is unimportant - It's the hypocrisy that bothers me.

[Richard Steele]

5. If he was doing a FEMALE hooker who was his meth dealer...same diff.

[rpannier]

7. You are todays winner

That is exactly the point we shoulg be making anyone and everyone.
If he was having an extra-marital affair with a woman we would have reported it, because he's a f**king hate filled hypocrite who preaches that extra-marital affairs, sex out of wedlock and homosexuality are wrong.
In addition he tries to get laws passed that would discriminate against about 10% of the population,

He's a hypocrite that's the issue.

for your hitting the bullseye I give you the following:

:D

:party:

:toast:

:beer:

:yourock:

:applause:

[anniebelle]

15. Same here.

I have friends that are gay that have been shot at, had their house burned down and all by "christians" in our little community. I'm so sick of these lying scumbags that dress up on Sunday and play like they're so good. Fuck 'em. :mad:

[wakeme2008]

3. Right especially with Haggard pushing Colo One Man One Woman Amend. nt

[Birthmark]

6. I'm against outing people

I understand the hypocrisy angle. But outing just doesn't feel right to me.

[tenshi816]

10. Normally I would agree with you,

but anyone who engages in gay sex privately, but publicly denounces homosexuality and promotes legislation against same-sex unions is fair game in my book.

I'm pretty sure my brother-in-law is gay, but he chooses to live quietly in the closet and I respect that. If, however, he was involved in anti-gay activities I would have no problem speaking out. I feel the same way about public figures like Ted Haggard.

[Warren Stupidity]

14. It is the Frank Rule.

Anyone who uses their power and prestige to further a hateful agenda against the rights of homosexuals loses the protection of the community that they are publicly attacking and deserves to be revealed for what they are. It is really very simple. There is no real ethical dilemma.

[NOLADEM]

16. You act like there is something wrong with being gay

Telling the public that someone is gay is not a slam or insult, except to hypocritical bigots.

There is nothing wrong with being gay, so an 'outing' is just pointing out that due to a discoverable fact about someone, they are acting like a hypocritical asshole.

I understand you are being considerate in your opinion, but you have to keep in mind that this person was DIRECTLY responsible for creating and pushing a gay marriage ban in Colorado, so destroying his credibility with truth to protect innocent gay peoples' rights is not only OK, I feel it is OBLIGATORY in this situation, and to not do so would be a moral failing.

Same thing as pointing out it is hypocracy for a black man to oppose civil rights legislation or an anti-feminist woman opposing the ERA.

[Birthmark]

18. It is a violation of privacy

No, there is nothing wrong with being gay. But, imo, even hypocrites have a right to privacy.

[NOLADEM]

26. So is a gay marriage ban

[aquart]

8. Haggard's family may be destroyed.

But he had absolutely no problem destroying other people's families.

He's a self-righteous hypocrite who supported a fascist administration. Out him and ruin him. Why should he be allowed to continue on his blithe path of horror?

[Binka]

13. His Family Will Heal AFAIC They Will Be Better W/O Him

Ted on the other hand is being cast aside as a pariah and rightly so. God is shining the light on this DEMON (and I do not choose that word lightly) and he deserves all the scorn, hate, anger, turpitude, wrath, malice, and shit sandwich's thrown at him. How many people have killed themselves over his deceit and HATE during the past 21 years of his "ministry"? How many people have lived in despair and depression because of the things this man said to them in a fucking church for Gods sake.

While Teddy had his hot sex, and meth, and whatever other illicit tawdry things he engaged in; he was bludgeoning people with his words of damnation and condemnation, he was actively working to enact legislation to keep two people in love from getting legal martial status, he was agitating and fomenting HATE and DIVISIVENESS, he was reducing an entire community of people as NON HUMAN TRASH. He is a DEMON.

Bring it on for the Tedster. He deserves to be hung by his teeth as far as I'm concerned!

[Ecumenist]

11. ABSOLUTELY!!!

hypocrite doesn't even begin to describe the good pastor.

[AIJ Alom]

12. Justice is a dish best served cold but when it comes to Republicans

good grief...the Girls Gone Wild guy could start a new line with these guys.

[Bear down under]

17. Mr Jones put it in a nutshell

"It made me angry that here's someone preaching about gay marriage and going behind the scenes having gay sex."

Yes, Haggard would have been just as guilty of hypocrisy had he been, er, seeing a female hooker; but this goes beyond simple hypocrisy, beyond "do as I say, not as I do". He hasn't been pushing for constitutional amendments to ban heterosexual prostitution or adultery -- he's been pushing for anti-gay ones. It's "I want the law of the land to compel you to do as I say, but of course as a man of God I am above mere secular law and may do as I please."

Mr Jones was right to follow his own conscience in the matter.

[deutsey]

19. Jesus exposed hypocrites too n/t

[Kahuna]

20. It was correct. When hypocrites like Haggard and his ilk are in

positions to do massive harm, their right to privacy does not exist in my opinion. Like in any war, you have to fight fire with fire, and these people have declared war on homosexuals. They deserve whatever they get.

[mediaman007]

21. I'm sure that he couldn't live with the secret anymore.

He probably didn't like living a lie. Or, he wanted to get a book deal.

[BootinUp]

22. Based on the interviews of Jones

I think he acted in a way that was necessitated by his feelings. I suppose most people in a similar situation would feel the same way. And I think it is necessary that the holy rollers changing the laws for the wrong reasons be stopped.

[B Calm]

23. I think Mike Jones was steered by God to out him..

[USA_1]

24. Haggard!

"I didn't have sex with that male prostitute, Mr Jones"

"I used meth but didn't inhale"


there's an old story about the fact that God punishes!

[Ian David]

25. Because Haggard sought to inflict his professed "values" upon the rest of us...

that makes him 100% fair game.

The minute he talks to a politician and says, "Change these SECULAR laws," he is no longer a minister-- he is a politician. And that makes him fair game. Politics is a full-contact sport.

So, I have to vote 100% for "fuck him."

Now, there is another case that appears to be very sad.

This Presbyterian minister took his own life when his secret misdeeds were about to be exposed. But I can find no evidence that he was politically active in changing the rules that people outside his flock live by. Therefore, I would say this guy should have been left alone by the media:

See:
{Pittsburgh, PA} Pastor takes his life in wake of TV probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=175x11773

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

27. As I understand, amongst teen suicides, gay teens make up 30% of that total. How

many deaths does this man have on his hands due to his hypocrisy?