Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Landrieu must be KNOCKED into reality.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:26 AM
Original message
Landrieu must be KNOCKED into reality.
I've been posting this all over. It is urgent. This is a senator who hasn't spoke yet. She has not publicly declared on the floor.

We have to let her know that we are outraged that she doesn't link the importance of what the Senate is doing now with what the entire nation has done for her cause. She is betraying the very nation that rallied to her cause because America responded. Now she is going to give the finger to the constitution that is sacrosanct to hold together these values?

But the most blatant thing that has to be pointed out to her is that it was Bill Clinton whose policies she once embraced, who came to aid everyone in her Katrina tragedy and generated millions because of his efforts. Does she think he would approve of this nominee ?

She has to be reminded that it was President RONALD REAGAN who nominated Judge O'Connor in 1981 to the Supreme Court, not a democratic president. He did that because she had the values that maintained the balance of mainstream America. Judge O'Connor proved it time and again with her crucial deciding votes. Now, if Landrieu does not do everything in her power to deny Alito's confirmation, this judge is going to take a wrecking ball to mainstream America. Everything that Bill Clinton stood for, as aguably the most popular president in history, is going to be shattered.

Who does she think is going to keep her in congress, Republicans ??? She needs to be reminded of the picture of Bush in the plane looking down on her devastated city only after he was SHAMED into doing it. How much water did he wade through? Now she wants to endorse Bush and regress twenty five years of cherished victories for Americans by ascending his choice--the equivalent of putting Charles Manson in charge of crime--to the Supreme Court. For a lifetime.

Shame her into being reminded she is a DEMOCRAT. And remind her about the SIXTY ONE NOMINEES of Bill Clinton that the Republicans would not even allow to get out of committee for a vote. Tell her to either preserve the legacy of Bill Clinton or set back all of America which she will bear the burdens for when Roe V Wade is overturned, the president is licensed as a dictator, and the constitution really does become a Goddamn piece of paper !!!!

My email


Senator Landrieu,

I'm not from Lousiana but I gave to show support of Louisiana's tragedy as it is part of the United States. So am I.

You have a lot of nerve not joining in the filibuster. This is of one of the most abhorrent judges guaranteed to threaten the constitution and insure the continuation of the policies and secrecy of the most dangerous and power crazy president in U.S. history.

Did you listen to the confirmation hearing ? What about Bill Clinton who jumped in to generate millions for your constituents because he thought it was critical that he do so? Now you don't think it's important enough to jump in and save our constitution?

If you refuse to honor the Democrats hard fought victories and values, and those who elected you Senator, you disgust me. You dishonor everything that Bill Clinton has done for you. And tried to put in place.

I contributed to the Katrina disaster losses as a citizen because I thought it was my duty. It is your duty to contribute something to the United States now for generations to come ? Or know that you will live with the consequences of AMERICA'S disaster you helped put on the Supreme Court.


FILIBUSTER ALITO !!!! ....You don't have a choice.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:31 AM
Response to Original message
1. Kind of hard cornered don't you think?
While it makes it's point, it makes it with a backhanded slap. I have been sending emails that made the point with a helpful hand and a pat on the back. I think that is a better tactic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #1
6. No !!
She said the Senate has more important things to do. WHAT ????? The diplomatic approach is not appropriate when you have someone on your own team who is about to shove our constitution in the toilet.

I'm tired of the namby pamby bullshit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:42 AM
Original message
You did not state that, this is what you stated...
This is a senator who hasn't spoke yet. She has not publicly declared on the floor.

Don't argue points you didn't make.

I responded to your original post not the info you hadn't referenced.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #1
10. I don't think they read the e-mails carefully.
They just tally up the fors and againsts. Just get to the point quick and send another e-mail.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. I do not know about the email you are referencing.
Please tell me what I am missing here.

Thanks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 01:31 AM
Response to Reply #11
19. The e-mail in the lead post by Justice is Coming.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:32 AM
Response to Original message
2. Bad choice of words in the subject line.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:32 AM
Response to Original message
3. I emailed her. Said we need to keep the authoritarians from
seizing all three branches of government.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:35 AM
Response to Original message
4. I'm no Landrieu fan, and I certainly don't think there is ANY
acceptable excuse for not fillibustering this nazi, but she's the only one I can even remotely empathize with regarding this situation. I have a feeling they are threatening to withhold resources and money that Louisiana desperately needs (more than they already have). But that being said, it's still no excuse. This nomination does affect all of us and all of the senators involved need to recognize that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #4
8. Little Lord Pissypants cut off all her funding yesterday.
No mo for LA. Yet another promise broken.

Peace.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. I didn't know that.....
I am running out of words to describe how much I HATE these people.:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #9
14. Get in line...
:hug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:35 AM
Response to Original message
5. Well, I agree except I gotta say
If Clinton has some big objection to Scalito, he sure has been awful close mouthed about it. Maybe he's so awestruck by all the visits to the bush family compound and all the golf games with poopy bush he's been rendered mute. Landrieu is whoring it big time in the hopes of getting a few shekels for Katrina victims plus playing it up for the religious dumshit community. It's a dangerous game for her and it might bite her in the ass if the administration keeps fuckin with those displaced by Katrina.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:37 AM
Response to Original message
7. Don't forget Al Gore...
He clearly stated in his speech that he does not support Alito's nomination.

Remember him, Mary? He's the one who flew 2 commercial jetliners into the airport where the president left your constituents to rot!!! He's the one who ordered the immediate evacuation of hundreds of sick and dying people. He did the right thing, Mary. Will you?

Peace.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Marlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:44 AM
Response to Original message
12. Good Job
The sad thing is, they really don't care what we think. It's all political -
she wants to be reelected at all cost. Republicans and Democrats really don't care
what's best for the country, it is all about what benefits them politically,
financially, etc. Truthfully, a guy like Biden, who represents Corporate America
will be delighted Corporations will get even more leverage over the little guy.
Both parties should be fighting Chief Justice Alito tooth and nail.

Like the rest of you, spent hours emailing, calling and faxing. I just feel duped
once again but guess we can't just give up. It's what they want.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. This one is extremely important
She can make the point in her speech that possibly her support to block the nomination might result in her disfavor with the republican majority and put desperately needed funds for her state at risk. But the Supreme Court is the last vestige of justice for all Americans and I believe Judge Alito would threaten those constitutional principals and values. Therefore I cannot support his nomination and will not vote for cloture.

How red do you think that would those republican faces if they tried to hold her money hostage ? She needs to understand they are the masters of sleight of mind. She can use it against them and do what she must do or will regret when she finds out republicans will use her for a carpet after her vote anyway.

The emails and call cannot be subtle. They have to be biting and shock her to reality.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:51 AM
Response to Original message
13. "Who does she think is going to keep her in congress, Republicans?"
No. Louisianans. And since you noted that you're not from Louisiana in your first sentence,I imagine that nothing past that point was ever read by anyone outside the people on this list. Certainly not anyone from her staff.

onenote
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #13
17. That's why I wanted to make the email short
which I would recommend anyway. But though not a consitutent of her state, I am, contrary to any other state, connected to hers by contributing to the Katrina relief fund.

Secondly it's going to be Democrats in her state that are going to send her back to congress. Enabling Alito to get to the court is not the way to keep their vote.

The comment or inference that incensed me is that the Senate has more important things to do, and she was referring EXACTLY to more money for Louisiana. What about Alito on the court for life? That she doesn't think is worth going all out for to stop ? KMA.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LA lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 01:08 AM
Response to Original message
16. I called
“Because we have such a full plate of pressing issues before Congress, a filibuster at this time would be, in my view, very counterproductive. It is imperative that we remain focused on creating the tools New Orleans, Louisiana and the Gulf Coast will need to rebuild. This includes passing the Baker bill and allowing our state to keep its fair share of offshore energy revenues. We simply cannot afford to bring the Senate to a halt at a time when we need its action the most. If called to vote for cloture on Judge Alito’s nomination, I will vote yes.

“I will continue to consult with constituents, groups, organizations and colleagues to decide on my final vote. I do think it is important that we have an up or down vote.”


That was her statement. I called her office and they were non-commital, very nice and not really encouraging. I was real polite and the man I spoke to thanked me and said they were really tired of rude people. They talked about the changing makeup of Louisiana. If you do call, use manners. I said I was from LA and he said "I know" so they are using caller ID. I could not predict but she is under a great deal of pressure.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #16
18. There you have it.
You just confirmed what I said above.

This should outrage everybody who proudly hails themselves as a Dem. This is the equivalent of--let's hurry up and get this nonsense over with so we can get back and talk about the money New Orleans needs to rebuild.

Which party is she in? Does she not think the Democrats will fight until they're bloody to get the money the Gulf Coast needs? Right now there happens to be something a little more important for a few days.

I bet they're tired of rude people. Maybe she should start getting the message.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WyLoochka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #16
20. "up or down vote"
Mary is wrong wrong wrong here. She has succumbed to the repub mantra 'upper down'

It is important to NOT confirm a life-time appointment to the Supreme Court on a simple, "upper down" majority vote. I think the rules should be changed in regard to ALL federal judiciary appointments, including the Supreme Court, that they ALL be required to demonstrate a broad consensus of support by having to pass the hurdle of 3/5 of the Senate, which is 60 votes.

"Upper down" simple majority votes are good enough for legislation that can be changed. Judges are appointed for a life-time. Once they are on there we can never ever ever get them off, except by impeachment - and how often does that happen? Judges work for ALL the people. Let's not forget every single federal employee, including judges and presidents are just that - our employees.

Narrowly passed, mostly party line, simple, majority votes make it too easy for a President to appoint ideological zealots, who can then run rough shod over at least half the people and at times more than half the people who never approved of the ideological zealot for the court.

Remember, Democratic Senators actually represent about 30 million more people than Repubs do, at this time. I think of the Senate representation, albeit hyperbolically as, "The Dem Senators represent more people while the Repub Senators represent more jack rabbits and coyotes." Why should red states with small populations, like North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming etc have MORE power to get judges on the courts than the populated states like California and New York? The courts deal with conflicts and issues that have real impact on people - not jack rabbits and coyotes.

Mary - the FAIR thing to do, on behalf of all the people, is to REQUIRE a super majority vote in order to accede to a life time position on the federal benches.

DOWN WITH "UPPER DOWN" SIMPLE MAJORITY VOTES ON ALL JUDGES.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WyLoochka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #16
21. The office staff must have changed their attitude
since Thursday morning when I called and was rudely hung-up on twice before I could even quickly state WHY I thought she should support a filibuster.

I finally got a staffer in Baton Rouge to actually hear me out. In the conversation, I told her I had donated to the Senator's very tough run-off election in '02 BECAUSE I wanted her to win mostly so a Dem would have the seat, so we would have support for the much needed filibusters against the sure to come bush idological zealot judiciary nominations.

The Baton Rouge staffer was astonished. She said, "you live in Arizona and donated to a Louisiana senate campaign, why would you do that?" I reaffirmed yes, and added I know many Democrats from all over the country donated to her campaign, especially during the run-off, and you will never know if you are alienating donors and future potential donors if you are rudely hanging up on all non-Louisianans. I told her I donated because of the FILIBUSTER. I donated because I expected with a D behind her name that she would surely stand-up to defend the Constitution when the chips are down, as they are now.

I added that defending the Constitution against the power mad, executive branch law breakers is far more important right now than groveling before Repugs begging for rebuilding funds that in the end they will not authorize, because they want to "starve the beast" precisely so this type of funding is made impossible.

I reminded her that it was the Repuke admin that dismantled FEMA, on purpose, and a stoopid Repuke Prez who put an equally stoopid, incompetent buffoon in charge of FEMA and they did this by deliberate design. I reminded her the prez didn't seem to have a care in the world as he enjoyed b'day cake with Repuke McCain while her constituents were dying.

I reminded her she needs support from Dems from all over the country to get the funding that is needed, and if she wants to see that support materilize she had damn well better stop hanging up on us and stand with us now and vote no on cloture.

I am happy to hear they are no longer hanging up on people, at least. Keep the pressure on her.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. We think exactly alike
and it's the height of ignorance for her not to see that. Let alone a direct slap in the face to every Democrat, many of whom brutalized the Republicans to get the funding that has already been approved for her.

Her statements that I explained earlier have incensed me more than I can tell you. Equally as much as Robert Byrd, if not more. She already has been shit on by this president and doesn't even comprehend it. I hope she comes out of her coma before she speaks Monday.

Those kind of statements deserve the kind of retort I expressed in my OP. :grr:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #16
23. They were worried about the changing make-up of LA, huh?
All that important business the Senate has to pass laws ensuring that the changing makeup (which they take as a given) is made permanent...

Doesn't sound like important business to me.

I know I have friends and relatives from LA who would probably question if no help is better than the "help" Landrieu is giving them in cooperation with Republicans who desperately want to eviscerate the home and property rights of every black person in New Orleans whose home is still intact (not to mention those that aren't).

No help is better than "help relocating" under Federal mandated suspension of Constitution and property rights.

All in the name of "changing the makeup of Louisiana".

Doesn't sound like Landrieu has made up her mind if it would be such a bad idea.

After all, didn't she criticize Nagin for asserting the truism that New Orleans was a "Chocolate City"?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. Sometimes you just want to
grab someone by the collar and shake em. It's mindblowing to me that she isn't rushing to be the first one in line on that filibuster team.

She's going to lose in every way there is. If Alito is confirmed, the next thing the Republicans are going to tie the Senate up with is the tax cuts for the millionaires. They'll tell her she can go pound sand for Katrina money, "we have more important things to do."

I'm not interested in another thing she's got to say if she doesn't veto Alito and be prepared to take her place at the podium for hours next to Kerry.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 02:49 PM
Response to Original message
24. Windmills....might as well be windmills.....
To dream the impossible dream.
To fight the unbeatable foe.
To bear with unbearable sorrow.
To run where the brave dare not go.

To right the unrightable wrong.
To love pure and chaste from afar.
To try when your arms are too weary.
To reach the unreachable star.

This is my quest.
To follow that star.
No matter how hopeless.
No matter how far.
To fight for the right,
Without question or pause.
To be willing to march into hell
For a heavenly cause.
And I know, if I'll only be true
To this glorious quest
That my heart will lie peaceful
And calm when I'm laid to my rest.

And the world will be better for this
That one man, scorned and covered with scars
Still strove with his last ounce of courage
To reach the unreachable stars.

:nopity:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 12:38 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC