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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 05:58 PM
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I have A QUESTION ABOUT THE FILIBUSTER...
Does the same person have to continue talking or can they "spread the wealth" so to speak. Can they yield the floor to each other?

Peace.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 06:03 PM
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1. They can cede to a fellow Senator
so one person doesn't have to do all the speaking himself or herself. Now, in times past, a filibuster was staged by only one Senator. Ironically, the repukes used this tactic themselves when they were the minority party.
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sandrakae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 06:04 PM
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2. Thank God. I don't want John Kerry to lose his voice.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 06:05 PM
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3. They can
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 06:17 PM
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4. bogus question. filibusters no longer happen via marathon talking
they happen by the failure of the non-filibustering side to get the 60 votes needed to win cloture and "end debate". however, the "debate" isn't necessarily actual speaking time. the issue still can't come to a vote even if no one wants to debate. the senate can move on to other business, but the filibustered issue remains tabled until 60 people vote for cloture.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 06:36 PM
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5. You learn something new every day
I wasn't aware of this. Thanks for the information!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 06:43 PM
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6. Bogus is a bit strong, don't you think?
Ask a legitimate question and get your ass chewed around these parts!
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 10:27 PM
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9. no ass chewing intended :)
i was using "bogus" as a technical term :) meaning that it was based on an incorrect premise, not that it was in any way not a legitimate question to ask.
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 06:53 PM
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7. As a follow-up,
(and with thanks to the OP and to unblock,)

can one party or other insist upon continued debate? Say, if the side invoking the filibuster/blockage of cloture (those opposing Alito or immediate voting) wants to go on record more fully or to try to persuade others to join them, can they talk right on?

If anyone knows: thank you.


In my opinion, the Dems should push back: been muzzled or reluctant too long, and should up the ante, roll up their shirtsleeves and enter this fight. At this fork in the road, imagine the two very different TuesdayJan31sts there can be:

a) The day of the SOTU address where the Democratic party have been slapped and cowed again...Alito confirmed...GWB&Co are all swaggering on prime-time...a further step toward the Dark Ages....
OR
b) Democrats keep speaking up, and are joined by others across the country and spectrum...passionate debate on the Senate floor...GWB&Co appear that night a little bruised and shaky, without the implied-consent intact...cracks appear and widen, and the folks watching the SOTU address know some different subtext...momentum shifts.

Either of these may happen, in just the next day and a half...amazing!
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jonas_stradlater Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 07:06 PM
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8. Does that mean that when I read
Sen. Landrieu say that she opposes the filibuster because other important business must be attended to, she is bullshitting? I've been planning on calling her offices tomorrow morning and I'd like to be as knowledgeable as I can.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 10:30 PM
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10. they can also choose to continue debate on this nominee
for a specified length of time.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 10:34 PM
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11. Yes that is bullshit and she knows it.
The filibuster is a formality.
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 10:44 PM
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13. Sen. Landrieu needs to save her seat as does Robert Byrd...
We can and should sustain the filibuster without them. If they get on board, they may lose their seats. For them, a flibuster not only doesn't help us, it costs us two Senators. We only need 41, that means we can let 4 Dem Senators in Conservative leaning states play to their base and cause absolutely no damage to the party or the filibuster.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 10:57 PM
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14. Well, almost. There are 3 Dems supporting Alito, so the equation is still
Edited on Sun Jan-29-06 10:59 PM by Wordie
a bit shaky on our side. I'm still hoping that they will change their minds. A lot can change by the time the vote is taken, so I'm still very confident.
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 12:27 AM
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15. I wish I could prove to you that this is a lock but I can't...
Just wait and watch and you're going to be very, very happy.

"It's all over except for the counting, and we'll take care of the counting."
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 12:29 AM
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16. Do you know something you're not telling?
or are you ENVISIONing?
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:57 AM
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17. It's never wise to listen to a ghost in the machine...
If I knew something I wasn't telling and admitted it but refused to tell what it was, would this make you believe that I wasn't just envisioning something? You just gotta have faith.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 02:14 AM
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18. You're right. It's a lock! I just got religion. /nt
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 02:59 AM
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19. And That Is A Damned Shame, Too, Sir
There were soem marvelous scenes in those days....
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 06:34 AM
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20. hey there!
busy days?

:hi:
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 10:43 PM
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12. This was answered on the C-Span web site.
Question: I've never seen a real all-night filibuster like in "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington." Why is this? Have the Senate's rules changed? Wilmington, DE - 5/3/00

The rules have not fundamentally changed, but the way the Senate's leadership responds to filibusters has. Since the 1970's, the trend has been not to retaliate against a filibuster by keeping the Senate in session all night, forcing the opponents to stay on their feet and talk until they drop. You don't see an old-fashioned on-your-feet filibuster very often because of the "dual track" system. Leaders have decided it is more efficient to get unanimous consent to "freeze" the bill that is being filibustered in place and jump to another track and process a different bill on which there is less controversy. The logic behind the practice says that taking the filibustered bill "off-stage," permits the leaders to keep the Senate's legislative agenda moving on the floor while trying to negotiate a breakthrough on the problematic bill behind the scenes. The filibustering Senator continues to get what he/she wants: a delay in the bill's consideration, if not an insurmountable barrier to its adoption. So, both sides benefit from dual-tracking. However, dual-tracking has had a converse effect as well. It has contributed to a greater number of filibusters. Senators are filibustering more frequently partly because they know a full-blown endurance contest won't develop. As time pressures build and the agenda backs-up due to an actual or threatened filibuster, the Senator conducting it hopes the leaders will be inclined to end the logjam through negotiations over the policy content of the bill in question, or decide to pull the bill off the agenda. The filibustering Senator expects to be approached by the leadership after a short time, and get offered a deal to take the controversy into the cloakrooms.

The leverage of the filibuster comes from the fact that the Senate cannot vote on a measure until all Senators refrain from seeking recognition to speak. At that point, the Chair puts the question to a vote automatically. However, as long as any Senator wishes to speak, rules mandate that he/she be recognized. So holding forth on the Senate floor prevents a vote from occurring. A filibustering Senator may not sit down, nor leave the chamber, nor yield the floor and expect to get it back. If he/she does anything to lose the floor, recognition goes to the next Senator seeking it and the agenda on the floor may change. A true filibuster is hard work. If the leadership wished to "wear down" the filibustering Senator, it could simply keep the Senate in session all day and all night until the Senator quits or until sufficient votes are found to end the filibuster through a formal process, known as "cloture." But this strategy not only "wears down" the filibusterer(s), it also wears down everyone else. Not much gets done and people just get more tired and less agreeable all around, making it that much harder to forge a consensus. So modern leaders have sought other approaches.

There have been a few recent "old-fashioned" filibusters. In 1992, Senator Alphonse D'Amato (R-NY) filibustered a tax bill for 15 hours, 14 minutes. In 1981, then Senator William Proxmire (D-WI) filibustered a public debt ceiling limitation bill for 16 hours and 12 minutes. The all-time individual record, however, is still held by Senator Strom Thurmond (D-SC), who filibustered a civil rights bill in 1957 for 24 hours and 18 minutes.


http://www.c-span.org/questions/weekly19.asp
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