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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 02:34 AM
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What did Bush do to get impeached?
I'm not an idiot, I've got a good idea of what he did, but I wanted to start this thread so we could know what the accusations are, and then we can brainstorm on ways the investigations should go, or which ways they're even worth going. Please don't think I'm against the party or anything, but I might play Devil's Advocate a bit here.

There are many questions but my first one is:

You say he lied to get us into a war, but was he under oath?

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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:20 AM
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1. yes, he was under oath
He was under the oath that he took when was inaugurated. The one that says that he will protect the constitution, from all enemies, foreign and domestic.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:23 AM
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3. and his first defense is what it has always been
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 03:24 AM by shadowknows69
that "The world" believed Saddam to be a threat. Next? I know it's BS. The DSM being absolutely verified (which I thought it already was, in fact I don't think it was ever denied out of hand) would prove that he had ambitions to invade Iraq before the supposed WMD crisis.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:21 AM
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2. Oath or no oath, the blood on his hands constitutes high crimes.
Lesser criminals than Bush are convicted, every day, for crimes that involve lies, not told under oath: fraud, embezzlement, etc. Bush should be held to at least the same standard as such criminals and, frankly, to a much higher standard considering that the lives of loyal soldiers are in his hands.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:26 AM
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4. The President's High Crimes and Misdemeanors.
The President's High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

1. "A Crime Against Peace." Initiating a war of aggression against a nation that posed no immediate threat to the U.S.--a war that has needlessly killed 2550 Americans and maimed and damaged over 20,000 more, while killing over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children, is the number one war crime according to the Nuremberg Charter, a document which was largely drawn up by American lawyers after World War II.

2. Lying and organizing a conspiracy to trick the American people and the U.S. Congress into approving an unnecessary and illegal war. This is defined as "A Conspiracy to Commit a Crime Against Peace" in the Nuremberg Charter, to which the U.S. is a signatory.

3. Approving and encouraging, in violation of U.S. and international law, the use of torture, kidnapping and rendering of prisoners of war captured in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the course of the so-called War on Terror. Note that the Hamdan decision actually declares Bush to have violated the Third Geneva Convention on Treatment of Prisoners of War, which means the justices are in effect calling the president a war criminal. Under U.S. and international law, if prisoners have died because of such a violation--and many have died in illegal US captivity because of torture authorized by this president--the penalty is death (a point made to the president in a warning memo written by his then White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, the text of which is published in full in the appendix of our book).

4. Illegally stripping the right of citizenship and the protections of the Constitution from American citizens, denying them the fundamental right to have their cases heard in a court, to hear the charges against them, to be judged in a public court by a jury of their peers, and to have access to a lawyer.

5. Authorizing the spying on American citizens and their communications by the National Security Agency and other U.S. police and intelligence agencies, in violation of the First and Fourth Amendments and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

6. Obstructing investigation into and covering up knowledge of the deliberate exposing of the identity of a U.S. CIA undercover operative, and possibly conspiring in that initial outing itself.

7. Obstructing the investigation into the 9-11 attacks and lying to investigators from the Congress and the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission--actions that come perilously close to treason. (Former Florida Senator Bob Graham, who headed the Senate Intelligence Committee until his retirement at the end of 2002, has called this the president's most impeachable crime.)

8. Violating the due process and other constitutional rights of thousands of citizens and legal residents by rounding them up and disappearing or deporting them without hearings.

9. Abuse of power, undermining of the Constitution and violating the presidential oath of office by deliberately refusing to administer over 750 acts duly passed into law by the Congress--actions with if left unchallenged would make the Congress a vestigial body, and the president a dictator.

10. Criminal negligence in failing to provide American troops with adequate armor before sending them into a war of choice, criminal negligence in going to war against a weak, third-world nation without any planning for post war occupation and reconstruction, criminal negligence in failing to respond to a known and growing crisis in the storm-blasted city of New Orleans, and criminal negligence in failing to act, and in fact in actively obstructing efforts by other countries and American state governments, to deal with the looming crisis of global warming.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:31 AM
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5. Nicely done!
This is why I love DU!

:applause:

-Laelth
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:34 AM
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7. Is that from a legal brief?
Regardless, I believe "A Crime Against the Peace" is enough to warrant a hanging by 1946 standards.
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LibMom Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:47 AM
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8. Beautiful
And he's still occupying the oval office because.....Oh yeah, we don't have a "little blue dress"
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McKenzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:16 AM
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9. I would like to copy this and send it on - is that OK? Excellent analsyses. n/t
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:26 AM
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10. What about authorizing the release and subsequent posting of classified information
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 04:32 AM by solara
i.e. blueprints, instructions and other nuclear secrets on the web- in Arabic- while in a state of war? Surely that is a punishable crime or at least a misdemeanor?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:33 AM
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6. Investigate Halliburton. Investigate where $9B went. get a "special prosecutor"
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:29 AM
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11. His response to New Orleans.
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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:49 AM
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12. Best case for impeachment
James Iredell, one of the original Supreme Court justices, appointed by George Washington, had this to say about impeachment:
The President must certainly be punishable for giving false information to the Senate. He is to regulate all intercourse with foreign powers, and it is his duty to impart to the Senate every material intelligence he receives. If it should appear that he has not given them full information, but has concealed important intelligence which he ought to have communicated, and by that means induced them to enter into measures injurious to their country, and which they would not have consented to had the true state of things been disclosed to them,--in this case, I ask whether, upon an impeachment for a misdemeanor upon such an account, the Senate would probably favor him.

If taking the country to war based on lies about WMDs doesn't fit this description of an impeachable offense perfectly, I don't know what does.
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a2_2_2-3s11.html
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