To put it simply...this election was a mandate to save America.

[Hubert Flottz]

From a madman. Two more years of BushCo/PNAC with unchecked power and the country would not have survived IMHO! NOW...to reverse the damage that has been done the best we can but...you'll need to ask Jerry and Pat how to bring all the dead back to life that their meddling in politics has enabled! The BLOOD and torture is on the Right Wing Preacher's hands too.

Forgive and forget...fuck that! Arrogant, Stuffy, but Prissy, Trent Lott, declared WAR on the democrats in congress the first summer that Bush was in office. The way Bush is again pushing his flawed agenda and appointees(cronies)since the election, it's apparent, that there has been no cease fire in the GOP's war on democratic people's rights and ideas. The election we just won was just a battle, not the WAR!

There is much restoration and reconstruction to be done, if the mandate is to save our country from fools in high places!

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

1. I do not think that is hyperbole. That is the straight truth. nt

[Hubert Flottz]

3. It's what I believe.

Forgive and forget and play goody two shoe games with wolves, at your own future's peril...

[Tellurian]

11. Here is where the Republicans Beat Us Every Damn Time!

They get organized-

Can the Democrats do that?

That remains to be seen.

Instead of waiting and coming up with a plan, Democrats go off in 100 different directions
with Pitch Forks and Torches seeking self gratifying instant revenge..

I see the threads here calling for Impeachment. Believe it or not; it sickens me.
We do this every time. Go off half-cocked with a single thought in mind, IMPEACH the BASTARDS!
This, under the leadership of some, who've read several books, and are instant experts on who did
what, whose guilty, who should be punished, and how that punishment should be meted out!

Isn't this what Bushco did to get the mandate to go into Iraq? Whip up support with lies, misinformation,
anything...But we gotta get Saddam Hussein..he's a tyrant and he's got to be taken out and tried for War Crimes. So here we are, STUCK in IRAQ! We have no plan or exit strategy and this is exactly what some of the posters here are advocating. Take down Bushco!!! Thats all we hear. I for one am not following any hair brained scheme over a cliff.

Yes, I want Justice for the Bush administration, but I want to know what happens afterwards. Who will be leading the country? Will there be a special election if Cheney and Bush are indicted..(which according to Constitutional Scholars, they cannot be incarcerated afterwards because of the redacting of our Constitution.) I have questions like what will be the fallout after the Impeachment? Do we stand a chance of getting a conviction? How will this affect the economy?

I don't believe in vigilantism. Too many mistakes happen and the wrong people get hurt when overzealous people start whipping up support based on reading someone's autobiography, running around with a book in one hand and a megaphone in the other.

We need to all be on the same page with a PLAN for during and after an Impeachment resulting in a conviction.

This is why the Republicans were able to gain unbridled power.

The first thing they did after their political structure was destroyed was take the time to become
UNITED..in ONE MIND and SPIRIT! It took them 8 yrs to accomplish this this. They were probably ready in 4 years but WJC fixed them again, he got reelected.

We're smarter than they are, all day long- We don't need to cheat to Win.
What we need to do is so simple..GET ORGANIZED and have a plan in place ready to implement when they're gone!

[Hubert Flottz]

14. "Whip up support with lies, misinformation"

If Bush and his crony corps did nothing wrong, then why would he, or the GOP, be worried about impeachment?

[Tellurian]

18. Where have I mentioned they did nothing wrong?

That was not the thrust of my post. Please reread it.
My post addresses the same mistake Democrats make all the time.

They can never agree!

[Hubert Flottz]

20. I hope they can see that the American people have agreed that

runaway, unsupervised, unchecked, Bushism has got to be stopped.

[Tellurian]

21. No doubt about it!

This could take years. From what I can see, the first thing that is going to have to be corrected
is the Constitution giving us back our power, rescinding what has been written protecting the Executive
Branch..I think THAT is our starting place.

[Hubert Flottz]

22. "This could take years"

I expect it will.

America is no place for Kings, Royal Families, Princes, Fuhrers, Dictators or "Unitary Executives, or Alpha Chimps to rule. America is STILL a democracy, where we the people rule, whether the neocons and their corporate gods like it or not.

[Tellurian]

23. We should only have to do this once..

if it's done right. If there are people out there that think this is going to get resolved overnight their sadly mistaken. It took almost 7 years for us to get to this point and God only knows how long it will take to get the damage undone.

And the point of my post. We're headed in the wrong direction if we get caught up in an emotional response for INSTANT gratification. Sure, I would like nothing better than to have the military walk into the White House today, handcuff Bush and Cheney, and see them frog marched onto the White House front lawn, for all the world to see. If it could realistically happen. I'm all for it. Our country would descend into chaos and Martial Law if there was an attempted Military Coup.

Bushco have worked long and hard to prepare for insurrection within the country, if such an event were to occur.

Going back to my original post. We have to have a plan in place if we expect to overcome all the obstacles they've put in place to preserve their power. We've taken just a baby step towards accomplishing that goal. Now we have to THINK and have a plan in place before we act.

[Hubert Flottz]

28. A good plan I think would be the restoration of the Constitution...

Starting all the way back at the flawed SCOTUS decision in December of 2000, which disregarded the Will Of The People, by playing self serving partisan politics. ONE STEP AT A TIME...is the only way to do what needs to be done. But taking the easy way out and going along to get along is the reason that our democracy has reached this dreadful state of decay. Nothing rally good is ever easy. And the politicians have only failed because the people who elect them, have not paid attention or cared about our government enough, to educate themselves politically and to vote intelligently. I think the one good thing, that may come of all of this Bush/Cheney disaster in the end, is the awakening of the sleeping giant.

The unfair biased media and the gaming of the voting system needs to be attended to, in the very early steps to this recovery.

I'd be up for looking at the Bush vs. Gore case and maybe some SERIOUS thought, about impeachment of some other government officials who may, through their miscarriage of justice for partisan reasons and personal gain, have done "Irreparable Damage" to the Constitution and the people of the United States and serious harm to the entire planet.

[ixion]

2. yep, you said it

:applause:

[Hubert Flottz]

6. Things are not normal anymore...

Politics as usual, ain't going to get it.

The bright ones understand the trouble the country is in, but there are still plenty of fools in Washington that still do not get it! Protocol and decorum, basically became obsolete, when Bush came to DC and the republicans took congress.

Protocol and decorum didn't win any battles against the likes of the Vikings, the Nazis, Stalin and Ghengis Khan.

Our politicans ALWAYS tell you when they are asking for your vote that they will fight for a better country for all. They have their work cut out for them NOW and they work for us!

[malaise]

15. 100% correct

They haven't even finished counting votes and the hacks are screaming bipartisanship. Where were they when the Rethugs in Congress were tearing up the constitution with party line votes.

Dems better start the investigations immediately.

[Hubert Flottz]

17. Remember after Katrina...

"NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO POINT FINGERS!" every time they ruined something else..."PLAYING POLITICS...POINTING FINGERS!" Well the time for pointing fingers has arrived!

[malaise]

29. Yep and I hope Dems

pay special attention to NOLA. That's one investigation I don't intend to miss.

[snappyturtle]

4. K&R! I agree.......there's a lot of...

work to be done to correct the damage done and, that's a big AND the administration to be held accountable and treated in respect to that...impeachment? I hope.

[adadem]

5. Absolutely right

especially with "you'll need to ask Jerry and Pat how to bring all the dead back to life that their meddling in politics has enabled! The BLOOD and torture is on the Right Wing Preacher's hands too."

Every human being killed in this Iraq debacle is blood on the hands of bush, cheney, rumsfeld, et.al

[RobertDevereaux]

7. Amen to that! n/t

[Jawja]

8. True and based

on the rest of the globe's response, it is a mandate to save the WORLD from these bastards.

[Hubert Flottz]

10. Bush has tainted everything he's laid a hand to.

All of God's creatures suffer more because of that man. Except for the tax exempt wealthy 1%, who are still taking and taking some more, with the GOP's blessing!

[Tellurian]

12. Yes, I think of the poor helpless creatures as well,

living on this earth who are not able to protect themselves from humans
destroying their habitat daily, all in the name of greed.

[lonestarnot]

9. Nope forgetting is not in the fucking cards. We're still living

with all the fucking damage!

[WA98296]

13. If "Democrats" refuse to do it, time to boot them too. How about a RESTORATION Party?

[Hubert Flottz]

16. We can STILL repair our party.

But maybe...Why not a LABOR party...somewhere down the road. Someone who will work for us instead of the corporations, who buy campaigns, politicians, judges and elections.

[SaveAmerica]

19. I, for one, completely agree, that's why I kept my avitar even tho I

voted the first day that I could. And America is worth so much to me that even with dems in control I will not stop watching out for her. Treat her right, new American leaders, or you're out too.

[neebob]

24. I hope that's true

but I keep coming back to the fact that they got in in the first place and how almost everyone went along with them after 9/11 and how they won again in '04 and how so many Dems were bullied into submission until ... what?

The shift felt so sudden to me, I don't trust it. I'm afraid it was just a mandate to stop horn-dogging teenage boys and maybe fix Iraq.

[warrens]

25. There are a few decent repukes

Lugar and Spector and Snowe leap to mind, but I'm sure there must be two or three more somewhere. We should work with them and totally ignore punks like Lott, just punish the wingnuts. We don't need them and all they will do is obstruct anyway.

[Hubert Flottz]

31. I must have missed the part where Lugar and Spector and

Snowe ended up voting against everything Bush pushed through congress. How did all those things get done?


NO I won't forgive the ones who talked the talk but then kissed the ass! A classic example of "Playing Politics" to the hilt!

[mom cat]

26. As the Dixie Chicks put it:

I'm not ready to make nice!

[WinkyDink]

27. Remember when Republicans accused Clinton staffers of leaving

trash; stealing typewriter keys; being like sloppy kids in a dorm room; and in general, being crude and reluctant to leave their spaces?

I do. ALL LIES.

I am NOT in any "bi-partisan" frame of mind.

[Hubert Flottz]

30. We should always remember how bad it's been...

and I believe it will still get worse. It's our duty to the America of the future, our grandchildren and their children after them, that we remember this GOP disaster. Our grandchildren and their children after them, will still be paying for Bush's tax cuts for his friends and his elective war in Iraq, for political gain.

[cassiepriam]

32. Repugs celebrated last time because they hoped to get rich

and exclude as many as possible. To get their piece of the pie.

We celebrate because we have democracy, fairness, and the rule of law
back.

[Hubert Flottz]

33. Anyone who "Can't tell the difference between the democrats and

the Republicans," by now, is either blind or stupid or both!

I'll be Ralph Nader was even tickled shitless by Wednesday morning!

[cassiepriam]

34. We can only hope the American people now know truth from lies

and right from wrong.