James Carville makes an unsolicited call to the NYT to diss Dean

[madfloridian]

"The praise from Mr. Romney was echoed in an unsolicited call from James Carville, a veteran Democratic operative who is married to Mary Matalin, a veteran Republican strategist.

“The R.N.C. did a better job than the D.N.C. this year,” Mr. Carville said, referring to the Democratic National Committee.

He said Democrats succeeded because the party’s House and Senate campaign committees compensated for what Mr. Carville described as the shortcomings of the Democratic National Committee, allowing the party to take advantage of a wave of voter resentment directed at Republicans.

“When one of these things hit, it doesn’t matter who the party chairman is,” he said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/10/us/politics/10mehlman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

[lastknowngood]

1. Fu*k the republican shill

n/t

[aquart]

2. Spiteful little troll. Go back to Mary.

[xultar]

3. WTF??? That's such fucking bad taste.

:grr:

[Radical Activist]

4. True about Dean, but

I don't think the DCCC or the DSCC mattered much either.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. Oh Bullshit Jimmy, Oh Bullshit.

For example take the case of Carolyn Shea-Porter in my state of NH. She is a progressive and she was not the choice of the DCCC corporate asshat twerps represented by the likes of Carville and Cru. She beat their creep in the primary and the DCCC promptly abandoned her district, refusing to give her one dime. Shea-Porter won despite being sabatoged by our corporate creeps. Carville is done, he is irrelevant. The Democratic Party belongs to its base.

[flpoljunkie]

6. Screw James Carville and his 2008 presidential candidate--Hillary Rodham Clinton!

[Tuesday_Morning]

7. Get the hook -

Let's get him off the stage.

:spank:

[underpants]

14. Exactly

Dean
The failure of the war in Iraq
Corruption

Those are the reasons

[frustrated_lefty]

8. Carville and Begala

need to stick to playing "CrossFire" in their mom's basement.

[KittyWampus]

9. he is delusional. Can't support him on this. His agenda is showing.

If this quote is accurate, I recind my ever giving him the benefit of a doubt.

[Nikki Stone1]

10. Ol' Snakehead's been upstaged by Dr. Dean. :) Sour grapes, baldy. :)*

Who said that success has many fathers and failure is an orphan?

T'weren't your swimmers, Jimmy boy. :)

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. What an ass

Carville should stick it where the sun don't shine, instead of in Mary Matlin and maybe he'll regrow his brain.

[Norquist Nemesis]

12. Mary gave him an ultimatum

"Do it or I'm sending you hunting with Cheney!"

[gasperc]

13. I used to admire this fucker

but he's getting under my fucking skin now, everybody did their job, all cyclinders were firing, that's what broke through the GOP's firewalls. Besides the DNC raised more money then ever. The RNC raised more than ever because the NRSC did a pathetic fundraising job and the NRCC did less poorly.
Why is James being such a Dick, did word come down from Hillary to push Dean out? He better shut the fuck up, the more he talks the sooner we'll find out who's trying to push Dean out!!!!!!!!!!!

[tnlefty]

33. I used to feel sorry for him, being married to the vicious Mean Mary

and all. Now I'm thinking that they should be forced to spend every waking moment of every single day together.

Attempts to push Dean out would be most unwise, IMHO.

[gasperc]

70. Kos copied my words

I'm ready to war with the fucker. If it wasn't for Dean and the netroots we'd be whining about how we only picked up 5 house seats and two Senate seats. Money, the asshole wants to talk about money. How about the three house races here in MI-8,9,11 that got no fucking money from the DCCC. It was actblue and the netroots that gave these guys the seed money they needed to put up respectable challenges. Fuck-wad should check the finances records. Close to $5million in GOP money was anchored in these districts, money that could have went to preserving the GOP juggernaut. Dean came out for an event for Marcinkoski in the MI-08, where the fuck was Rahm. The DNC raised more than ever, and made huge inroads in CO, WY, ID etc. Carville needs his fucking head examined. Even if the DNC raised a billion dollars would they have spent it in MI? or focused it on '30' key races in the hopes of getting the magic 15?

[DixieBlue]

15. I'm so tired of him ...

Dean's 50 state strategy did more to help the Dems than anything the campaign committees did.

Dean showed the Dems can win this country if they do what they should've been doing all along, going out and talking to voters everywhere.

Carville needs to retire. He and that wife of his.

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. Carville just needs to STFU!

If it wasn't for Dean's 50 state strategy...things would have turned out very differently.

[Sugarcoated]

17. There must be some advantage to this

Does it have something to do with keeping the perception that the party is trending to the middle and thereby helping his former employer Mrs. Clinton in '08? I don't know - I'm truly just asking. He wouldn't be doing this if there wasn't a reason, an advantage for him/someone.

[back2basics909]

18. He is not elected and should be fired..

He should have been fired for giving his wife information about the Kerry campaign.

[madfloridian]

19. Note that the quote is in an article about Mehlman, not Dean.

Odd.

On a search by date at the NYT...Dean has not been mentioned since November 2. May mean nothing at all. Just interesting.

[cali]

20. MF, I hate to say this because I know how devoted

you are to the guv, but there are powerful forces determined to force Dean out, and soon. The Burlington Free Press had a piece last week about Dean, and one of the things it said was that win or lose he might be out soon. I think it's happening. My guess is he'll be out within 3 months. What a shame.

[DixieBlue]

23. Yeah, I've been getting the feeling he's out

for a while now.

The Dems are pushing this middle of the road, center aspect and Dean is certianly seen in some circles as a typical "New England Liberal".

I really like Dean and think he's done wonders for the party. He was outspoken and truthful and I think that's what's going to hurt him in the long run. Let's just hope that if he is pushed out he'll continue his grassroots work. Our party needs him.

[madfloridian]

25. I posted that piece, then took it down.

Yes, there will be attempts to marginalize. They are after Kerry, also. Not sure about the others.

He is a force to be reckoned with, though. We'll see.

I don't like the word devoted, and I would say I am discouraged about my party. Dean is the reason we stayed to make change, the reason we are still with DFA.

Stuff happens.

[Nite Owl]

21. Carville had better watch

what he says. Dean's people in the DNC are the ones who actually get out there and do the work and they can't win this without us.

[tularetom]

22. Bald headed geek

This asswipe's 15 minutes are so up. He's totally irrelevant and I believe even H Rodham Clinton is smart enough not to hire him for anything more complicated than putting upyard signs or stuffing flyers into envelopes. He's just yearning for the glory days when fat boy tim russert pretended that carville had anything to say that mattered.

[madinmaryland]

24. Carville is screwn if he thinks that!!

[elehhhhna]

lol

[truthisfreedom]

26. Why generate resentment directed at you, Jimmy? Dude, you're a buzzkill.

Shut the f*ck up already.

[NYCGirl]

27. Carville continues to make himself irrelevant. He is highly successful at that.

[WI_DEM]

28. Carville can kiss my ass--look at where repukes had to defend

seats--in places like NE, WY and ID--that is due to the emphasize Dr. Dean put on a fifty state campaign.

[incapsulated]

29. Motherfucker

I've now gone from dislike to hate of this guy.

Fuck you and your shrew of a wife, asshole.

[peacetalksforall]

30. I have proved to myself that right wing networks only invite

DLC members on their programs for their opinions and comments - it tells me plenty.

I would never want to see the Dem Party split - but I don't approve or applaud the DLC, including their most famous members.

I will support Dean all the way. Especially, if the Carville statement is a measure of what Dean has been facing and is facing.

This is a clincher. It was disgusting. Carville is now definitely a non-Democrat in my eyes. You're through, James. I'll not be listening to anything you say.

[Javaman]

31. Who cares, carville is a has-been that's trying like hell to make press

He knows as right as rain no one listens to him anymore so the best thing he knows how to do is consult coulter or rush to cause a flap.

He's a DINO and always has been one.

[blm]

42. Carville influences CNN and NBC's newsrooms - HEAVILY.

The attacks on Dean and Kerry are being ENCOURAGED behind the scenes no matter what Carville might say in front of a camera.

[mmonk]

32. Sorry, but I see a party that will split into. The conservatives

in the party keep attacking the liberal elements. I guess they want to drive some of us out.

[madfloridian]

34. They are not true conservatives...they are something else.

I have often spoken about the fact that the ones who wanted to keep the war going would move into this party.

Oh, well.

Lobbyists also.

[blm]

51. It's the COVERUP wing of the party attacking the anti-corruption wing of the party

.

[Cass]

35. Strange thing to say after dems had a huge win Tuesday and its in very poor

taste to call a newspaper to snipe at someone like this. I'm not sure what's up with Carville, but this kind of stuff is really in bad form.

[SouthernBelle82]

36. How rude

Dean did a lot of good for the democrats. They should be praising him for his job. So I wonder if it mattered who the chairman was when Clinton was first elected?

[WildEyedLiberal]

37. Removing all doubt that Carville is a washed-up hack...

Just in case anyone still had any doubt. My doubt was obliterated quite some time ago.

[Major Hogwash]

69. Cha-ching!

Of course, the Republicans did go to his house a lot this year - to raise money for the Republicans who started the Iraq War on lies, rumor, and innunedo!

His wife reminds me of a wet chihuahua - a small loud dog that smells bad, but one that would bite you if you tried to dry it off!

[EFerrari]

38. Kiss my Deaniac remote, Carville. n/t

[Deb]

39. Hey, James, I've got an idea...

How about making me the Chairperson, or Mickey Mouse, or, hell, even a ham sandwich?

"it doesn't matter who the party chairman is"..... :rofl:

What planet was he watching this election from?

[incapsulated]

40. This is NOT about moderates vs. liberals, btw, it's about Hillary

This is all about HILLARY.

Why do you think Emmanuel and Schumer are getting praised to the skies for bringing home the bacon and Dean, the DNC Chair, is getting ignored, and now, deliberately dissed?

Rahm is a Hillary supporter. Schumer is a Hillary supporter. Carville is a Hillary supporter. Hillary wanted Ickes, Clinton's Chief of Staff as DNC Chair. Dean got it instead and Dean won't kiss her ring.

This didn't take long, did it?

[cali]

53. Bingo

Bid farewell to Chairman Dean.

[blm]

41. Well, mf...NO DOUBT ABOUT IT ANYMORE - They aimed at Dean and Kerry OPENLY now.

The two who kept the pressure on BushInc for the last 4 years while the establishment Dems supported BushInc quietly and sometimews publically throughout that entire time.

We saw this coming this entire year, didn't we old buddy?


For almost ten years now, I've heard about the internal party struggle between the Kennedy side of the party and the Clinton side of the party = I side with Kennedy.

And Kerry.

And Dean.

And Lamont.

And every other anti-corruption, open government Democrat.

[madfloridian]

49. Openly.

See my post in GDP about a Lisa Caputo on Hardball. Deliberate

[Horse with no Name]

66. I didn't see your post

But I saw that interview last night.
It was despicable how she denied Dean any credit.
The question was a complete set-up softball lobbed directly to the progressives. They are seeking to put us in our place.
It is happening here too.

[Coexist]

43. He doesn't look well lately - did you see him on election night?

he looked like a friend of mine did when going through some tough chemo.

[Individualist]

44. Carville is a DLC asshole

:puke:

[kestrel91316]

45. He's not a Democratic operative, lol, he's working for the

Republicans JUST LIKE HIS WIFE.

Go suck an egg, Jim. And then crawl back under that rock.

[WA98296]

46. Carville screws REAL dems and fucks Repubs...What do you expect?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

47. Carville is a relic.

How long has it been since he's been relevant?

[Subdivisions]

48. He's pissing me off....again! I used to like Carville, but he's trippin'!

[ljm2002]

50. What an ass...

...shame on him.

Dr. Dean, I for on salute you!

[Old and In the Way]

52. Who really wears the pants in your house, Jim?

So sad to see how far you've fallen....

[janx]

54. Carville is irrelevant and has been for some time.

You know that, MF.

[wisteria]

55. Why do people who are suppose to represent our party continually

go out and criticize their own? This is internal gossip, it doesn't belong in the papers. Dean did his part in reaching the people who actually vote- not just funding expensive commercials.

[janx]

57. Carville doesn't represent our party.

He is a media creation.

[KittyWampus]

58. very salient point. about being a media creation

[janx]

67. Yep. Don't worry.

:pals: These are just Carville's sour grapes.

[stepnw1f]

71. A PAwn of the MSM to Control the Message of the Dems

he can go F*ck himself...

[tnlefty]

56. I just made a contribution to the DNC by phone and told the person that I

spoke with that I was making the contribution because I'd just been reading that Carville and others were openly dissin' Chairman Dean. I think that she used 'slights by Carville and others' in the comments section.

[madfloridian]

59. Kudos to you. That is a great idea.

I have done that before, and they did take notes and psss them on.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

60. peckerhead...

[Uncle Joe]

61. At one time, I enjoyed listening to Carville's wit,

that seems like a 100 years ago now. What kind of team player slams the head coach after they win the Super Bowl?

Why on earth would a political party tie one hand behind their back when going in to an election, by writing off a large percentage of the nation?

I believe the 50 state strategy was not only strategically smart, it was the moral thing to do. We cannot claim to be the Party for the People and eliminate those that need us the most, solely for the illusory goal of obtaining or maintaining power.

[SeattleRob]

62. It's all about Power

Carville and his Washington Buddies, don't want Dean and us regular folks getting involved with their wheeling and dealing. Remember how all the establishment DLCers were saying it's crazy to take the fight to strong Republican districts? Yeah, really crazy!


Could you imagine where we would be today if we followed their advice? (The same place were were after the 2002 and 2004 Election.) I like the feeling of being on the winning side!

[Bouncy Ball]

63. Mr. Carville?

Kindly fuck off.

[dave29]

64. It's amazing to me how much they hate Dean

and a reminder of not only how much more gracious he is... but how much more competent he is as well.

[Mass]

65. More here - replacement proposed by Carville : Harold Ford.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/11/10/is_dean_in_trouble.html

Ryan Lizza says some "big name Democrats want to oust DNC Chairman Howard Dean, arguing that his stubborn commitment to the 50-state strategy and his stinginess with funds for House races cost the Democrats several pickup opportunities."

One of the names being floated to replace Dean is Harold Ford.

Says James Carville: "Suppose Harold Ford became chairman of the DNC? How much more money do you think we could raise? Just think of the difference it could make in one day. Now probably Harold Ford wants to stay in Tennessee. I just appointed myself his campaign manager."

[cali]

68. Yep. Dean's a goner.

The powers that be will do just about anything to pry him loose. All I can say, is Howard Dean is unlikely to take this meekly.

[incapsulated]

72. Jesus, could they be any more obvious?

Unreal. I was waiting for the Hillary camp to make it's move but I never thought they would have the collective balls to do this right after this huge victory for Dean.

[savemefromdumbya]

73. Carville, you're a meany

[gkhouston]

74. Jeez, is Carville angling to replace Mehlman?

Because those statements are about as reality-based and helpful-to-Democrats as the crap that Mehlman spews.

[AtomicKitten]

75. madfloridian posts yet another piece to diss Carville

eom

[Mass]

76. Because you agree with Carville on this?\nt

[AtomicKitten]

77. It only takes an iota of maturity to disagree gracefully -- but you go on ahead and pile on.

[moc]

78. James, your desperation is showing.

Carville knows his time in the limelight has passed. His era has ended. Boo-fucking-hoo. He's thrashing around meaninglessly.