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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:10 PM
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"Dean is God! Down with Dean!"
http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/?p=778


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Let the infighting begin.

It’s an open secret that Democrats don’t really like one another. The bloodsport between the progressives over at Kos and the New Democrats over at TNR is proof enough of that.

One of the things Dems love to fight over is the value of Howard Dean. The Kossacks & Co. love them some Dean. They came of age together politically and raised a lot of money on the Internets.

Then there are the old-school New Dems who believe in the Washington establishment, militant centrism, and Clintonian economics.

Ask the former who was responsible for the Democrats’ victory Tuesday, and they’ll tell you it’s Dean, who brilliantly pursued his “50 State Strategy” by which Democrats attempted to build a truly national party and “expand the map” — forcing Republicans to defend territory they long took for granted. They point to Democratic gains in Indiana, for example, where the party picked up three seats. Also that seat in Kentucky. And the one in Kansas.

The New Dems, by contrast, blame Dean for sinking good money after bad in locales with few short-term prospects. They look to seats in Illinois (Tammy Duckworth), Ohio (where 4th ranking Republican Deborah Pryce and Mean-Jean-Schmidt appear to be hanging on) and New Mexico (where the indisputably awesome Patricia Madrid appears to have lost) as places where an infusion of Dean’s cash could have tipped the balance. They think the Dems could have built a ‘94-in-reverse style majority, if only. If only Dean had listened to the devastatingly brilliant and ruthless Rahm Emanuel and abandoned his quixotic party building exercises.

Over at Salon today Joe Conason gives Dean the kind of massaging (”Howard Dean, Vindicated”) that would make Ted Haggard’s gigilo blush.

Unfortunately for Dean, he doesn’t play the Washington press corps nearly as well as do rivals like Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill….But this week, he is enjoying vindication far earlier than he ever expected.

Despite all the complaints and demands directed at him over the past 18 months, Dean stuck to his principles…. Against the counsel of party professionals, whose long losing streak has done little to diminish their influence, the new chairman began the process of re-creating the Democratic Party in 2005.

The New Republic, meanwhile, is giving voice to high-caliber Dean snipers, who apparently want to can The Screamer and replace him with the best of the Dems’ also rans from ‘06.

Some big name Democrats want to oust DNC Chairman Howard Dean, arguing that his stubborn commitment to the 50-state strategy and his stinginess with funds for House races cost the Democrats several pickup opportunities.

The candidate being floated to replace Dean? Harold Ford.

Says James Carville, one of the anti-Deaniacs, “Suppose Harold Ford became chairman of the DNC? How much more money do you think we could raise? Just think of the difference it could make in one day. Now probably Harold Ford wants to stay in Tennessee. I just appointed myself his campaign manager.”

A unity front was probably a little much to ask for, wasn’t it?

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:12 PM
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1. Yeah, these attack dogs have been at it since the election.
However, neither Dean nor "liberal democrats" started this.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:13 PM
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2. I agree /nt
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:13 PM
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3. Ford? Really?
Hmmm. What the heck is wrong with those people? Dean won us the election, and they want to replace him with Ford?! Ford. I don't get it.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:21 PM
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9. I don't really care for Ford. Much too conserv.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:24 PM
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11. Ford is a southern right wing dem...remember the Corporations are
running these people and they will not go liberal, which they are afraid of..we are seeing parts of the world going left and they are afraid of this here..I feel there is a big war going on in the world and that is Corps.do not want to loose..I'm sorry this country is on the wrong side...
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Actionman Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:35 PM
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16. Ford vs Steele... stop the crap
Dean beat Melsheman and Rover... without the dirty dealing of RNC and repubs.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:14 PM
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4. Typical Bushbot crap
They make up issues that don't exist.

DEAN WON! WE WON! We don't have time for this bullshit.
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Actionman Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:21 PM
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8. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, and let US carry that banner everywhere
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:26 PM
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13. I'm done with putting up
with crap.

Welcome to DU :hi:

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:44 PM
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19. This is Clinton crap, not bush crap. And virtually everyone
in DC knows it. It ain't a secret.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:46 PM
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20. Carville is not Clinton
and Carville is an ass married to a Bushbot. What do you expect from him?

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 05:01 PM
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22. Carville is a Clinton factotum. He carries their water
and as I said this is the worst kept secret in DC. Anyone who can't grasp this hasn't been following the story and doesn't get the first fucking thing about politics.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:16 PM
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5. Dean isn't perfect. Film at 11.
We took both legislative bodies and a handful of governorships.

I've never been a huge fan of his, but dammit, I'm more than willing to give him this one!

Dr. Dean, regardless of my feelings for you in the past, I'll hand it to you:toast:

THANK YOU.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:17 PM
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What's to debate. The results speak for themselves. Dean's the man.
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 04:27 PM by quiet.american
We all know one of the definitions of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results.

Dean came in and did something different and garnered a different result -- Dems actually triumphed for a change, and triumphed spectacularly.

Only in Bizarro World would such a spectacular result end in calling for the person who was instrumental in delivering the House and Senate to the Dems be replaced with someone who lost his own race (and that's not to take anything away from Harold Ford, Jr. -- he did finish strong, but nevertheless did not score a win.)

The DLC monster rears its ugly head. Down with them once and for all.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:17 PM
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6. Fuck Carville. Take your treasonous hag and get the hell out of our party.
Is that too much to ask for?
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:20 PM
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7. James Carville can go to Hell
I want Dean in as DNC Head. Get rid of your stinky wife and raise yourself out of the gutter. You were a loser during the campaign. Emanuel was a jerk too. The 50 state plan was a winner. I stopped giving to the DCCC and DSCC and just gave to DNC. I had faith in him. I do not have faith in Carville or Emanuel they can go to blazes.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:22 PM
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10. I don't know much about Emanuel but sure agree on Carville
I don't understand whats with all the sudden Dean bashing :shrug:
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:37 PM
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17. Emanuel insisted on Duckworth over the grass-roots
candidate. Duckworth lost. The grass-roots candidate came close to winning in the previous election, but nooooo, Emanuel had to have Duckworth. That race was his personal loss, not Dean's.

I can't remember all the names right now, but that's the story.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:41 PM
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18. Ah thanks-I will look that one up/nt
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 05:11 PM
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24. BTW, I have nothing against Duckworth
and hoped she would win. I only know that a power struggle went on in the primary and Emanuel put all the $ and power behind Duckworth.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:25 PM
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12. Ford Is DLC
It's one of the main reasons he lost TN. He's Centrist pro-corporate pro-war DINO. If they manage to boot Dean. The DNC will never see a dime from me.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:31 PM
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15. Absolutely
He's also anti-gay, anti-abortion, voted for the torture bill and for warrantless wiretapping.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:28 PM
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14. If Dean goes, I go with him. n/t
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JamesJoyce Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:47 PM
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21. Dems SHOULD get rid of Dr. Dean
Big fan of bringing back Al From myself.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 05:06 PM
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23. Maybe someone should ask where Duckworth got money from
John Kerry raised a large amount of money for her. I believe Wes Clark did as well. She was running in a VERY conservative area and did better than any previous candidate. A bigger problem than money was that the VFW inexplicably endorsed her opponent.
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