MSNBC: Democrats still searching for a position on Iraq

[ECH1969]

Re-elected last week, Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., warned Monday of a terrorist take-over of Iraq.



http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15705250/
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I know we have a big tent, but there has to be somekind of daylight between those that believe we must leave now and those that believe we must win at all costs.

[MannyGoldstein]

1. Only Two Options

Either we gear up and send it back to the stone age - or we withdraw rapidly.

History has shown that these are the only options that can work. Everything else, e.g., "phased withdrawal", will fail.

[whistle]

4. The Berry Goldwater concept of bombing them back to the stone age

...actual quote attributed to:

AUTHOR: Curtis Emerson LeMay (1906–90)
QUOTATION: My solution to the problem would be to tell them frankly that they’ve got to draw in their horns and stop their aggression, or we’re going to bomb them back into the Stone Age. And we would shove them back into the Stone Age with Air power or Naval power—not with ground forces.
ATTRIBUTION: General CURTIS E. LEMAY, Mission with LeMay: My Story, p. 565 (1965).

In an interview two years after the publication of this book, General LeMay said, “I never said we should bomb them back to the Stone Age. I said we had the capability to do it. I want to save lives on both sides.”—The Washington Post, October 4, 1968, p. A8.
SUBJECTS: Bombs and bombing
BIOGRAPHY: Columbia Encyclopedia

http://www.bartleby.com/73/127.html

[Richardo]

9. That's my favorite Ben & Jerry's flavor...

Mmmmmmmm Berry Goldwater. :9

It's a political/economic problem - Iraq disproves Cheney's assertion that terrorism is a military problem, once and for all.

[MannyGoldstein]

17. (I'm Not Saying That It's The Correct Thing To Do)

Just that it's only one of two solutions that that are not fantasies.

Staged withdrawal from territory that we do not really hold is not an option that will work.

[bigtree]

6. stone age bombing got Japan to surrender

BUT, IRAQIS DON'T THREATEN AMERICANS OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWN BORDER. NEVER HAVE.

[MannyGoldstein]

16. And Germany

And the Confederacy (Sherman's march to the sea)

Sadly, in war, it's all that works.

[whistle]

2. Yikes, I am ashamed of democrats like these in Florida

[mmonk]

3. We have to solve this problem.

I don't know how since I may be called names if I suggest something. The fact we don't deal effectively with our own members that cloud the issue and use republicanspeak hinders us whenever we are right on an issue or constrains us from another course.

[blm]

8. I think you have it exactly right. Plus people VOTED for a serious change of

course and it seems too many Democrats are reluctant to stray from Bush's policies, even though voters are more than willing to support the withdrawal plans like Murtha's in the house, and Kerry-Feingold in the Senate.

[kenny blankenship]

15. Yep. We KNOW the people didn't vote for More Of The Same

Those Democratic Representatives and Senators still trapped in Bush's war rhetoric will just have to keep up with us or they'll miss the last helicopter out.

[bigtree]

5. the idiots can't tell WHO our soldiers are fighting in Iraq. Does it matter?

NONE of their sacrifices will stop the folks there from fighting.

And, Nelson, like the others is just making shit up, or whoever he's talking to is.

[npincus]

7. what an idiot- the "war" has devolved into a Sunni-Shiite civil war

It's THEIR civil war. We are dying there for NOTHING. They've been "liberated", they've had "elections", now it's time for us to get the fuck out.

[tabasco]

10. Well, anything is better than the republican plans.

War for infinity to enrich corporate overlords really doesn't sound that great to me.

The Dems plan to get out of the quagmire ASAP. Sounds a lot better to me.

[WinkyDink]

11. All they need do is listen to the VOTERS. If they "stay the course"---

which is what Republicans/Bush/media are trying to convince them to do---THEN they surely WILL lose in 2008.

The vote was for CHANGE, and in a DRAMATIC way. That's why the vote was HISTORIC.

[savemefromdumbya]

12. What is the UN for?

I thought the UN was for peacekeeping and nation rebuilding. We can start to pull our troops out gradually while the UN get in there. You can't just leave all at one and neither should we be staying there forever?

[Toots]

13. must win at all costs.

Spoken by someone that has absolutely nothing to lose by "staying the course".

[savemefromdumbya]

14. we never really knew what the course was

or what winning in Iraq was