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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:47 PM
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Lieberman receives standing ovation at a closed meeting of all Senate Democrats Tuesday.
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 04:47 PM by trumad
Fucking sickening!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::puke:

Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, who bolted the Democratic party after losing a primary election this year to run as an independent, won a standing ovation at a closed meeting of all Senate Democrats Tuesday.

Lieberman was introduced by Democratic Leader Harry Reid who, according to Lieberman, told his colleagues that, "families go through crisis but we survived and I just want to welcome back Joe Lieberman."
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2006/nov/14/lieberman_says_he_wont_rule_out_flipping_to_gop_dems_applaud
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:50 PM
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1. They're making sure he's "comfortable"
Just saw on "BREAKING NEWS" MSNBC that he's chairing Homeland Security.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:14 PM
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21. He gets the comfy chair.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:51 PM
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2. Lieberman is going to demand some pretty disgusting
ass kissing as the price to be paid for his continued caucusing with the Dems. He has Reid right where he wants him.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:52 PM
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3. Suckin' up
Pleease don't become a rethug, Sen. Lieberman. Pleeease, pleeease, pretty pretty pleeease.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:52 PM
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4. He'd better enjoy it now- they won't have to kiss his traitorous ass forever.
Make hay while the sun shines, Joe.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:53 PM
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5. Oh, dear.

That's .... unfortunate.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:54 PM
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6. So what?
He's a longtime Senator, of course he's going to get applause. It's time to move on, Lieberman won and Lamont lost.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:01 PM
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11. So they can grudginly accept him back into their party...
...without have to kiss his ass.

He betrayed the people of his state and deserves zero respect.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:05 PM
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17. Of course nothing. It was a conscious display to stroke his insatiable ego.
Every Senator who wins doesn't get applause when they walk into the room. What a ridiculous notion.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:14 PM
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22. Applause is one thing, but a standing ovation
it's clear that they really didn't want Lamont to win.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:54 PM
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7. I'd like to know who didn't cheer for him.
I can guess.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:02 PM
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14. So would I.
Really, so would I.
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Lena inRI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:57 PM
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8. Brutus. Judas. Iago. . .
all LIEberman can be entrusted to share is the Democratic mascot as an

INDEPENDENT JACKASS



Fret not, trumad. . .let his BAD KARMA take care of LIEberman.

:smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:58 PM
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9. It's better that Joe feel welcomed by the Democrats
than not. The alternative is not on the table at the moment.
Also, I am sure Kerry and Kennedy will do just fine in continuing to work with him.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:58 PM
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10. This so saddens me
I'm getting increasingly nervous over what we may have 'won' and how they are interpreting this election. All I want to know is will they move so far right that the base will be excluded, do they think that their mandate is to move to the middle even further. After what Lieberman did to the dems how could they all accept him back seemingly with such joy. He won, we have to 'get over' that part but how much ass kissing will be required?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:03 PM
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15. lieberman is one man, and one man only
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 05:08 PM by emulatorloo
his election was an exception as far as I can see. He is a jackass. At any rate he promised to caucus with the Dems

and at any rate check his votes, besides his warmongering they are generally more left than right on social issues.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:01 PM
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12. bottom line is most in the caucus hoped he would win
They know him and most like him. That being said I still find it sickening.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:02 PM
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13. It's the Senate. What do you expect them to do? Spit on him?
Some perspective here. I'm asking for that precisely because it's hard. Despite his actions and his needling words in the press, he IS caucusing with the Democrats, and he IS needed for an airtight Senate majority to put all the other committees not named Homeland Security firmly in Democratic hands. So it takes some nasal aversion and clapping. It's politics. It's the Senate. And now that this matter is settled, it's mostly about the Democratic majority, not Senator Joe Lieberman himself. Perfection is not an option.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:13 PM
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20. nobody's talking about kicking him out of the caucus but should he
be treated like a returning hero? I don't think so.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:48 PM
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36. I repeat. What do you expect them to do, spit at him?
Which is not kicking him out of the caucus. I didn't talk about that, either. (Note: Spitting-as-a-metaphor alert)
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 07:43 PM
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44. Yeah, but, but, but....
I agree that we need to work with REALITY. I'm the first to say that. And part of that reality is, simply, who these Senators are: Virtually all well-heeled members of a long entrenched establishment, hog-tied to the war industry and the privileged rich. Only ONE THIRD of the Senate that voted for the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, torture, suspension of habeas corpus, and billions and billions of dollars in unaccountable military and "homeland security" spending, was up for re-election this time. Two-thirds of them weren't running for office. Therefore, the American people didn't have much of a chance at influencing how Diebold/ES&S, rich contributors and the war profiteering corporate news monopolies would craft the makeup of the Senate. As it was, Americans voted overwhelmingly for change--particularly as to withdrawing from Iraq--but this loud shout from the American people could barely be heard in the hushed corridors of Senatorial power, where last year's ideas are always current. These folks--and I would include even the best of them, at times--are more loyal to the "ruling class" than to their party, or to the People. They've proven that so often, in so many ways, I think it is undeniable. Cheney's "fuck you" on the Senate floor was a rare breach of "ruling class" etiquette. It simply doesn't matter if one of them is responsible for the slaughter of 600,000 people, or has stolen money hand over fist in Iraq. They are the RULERS, the privileged, the Roman nobility who install and remove emperors, as it suits THEIR class. There are some "good guys" in the "ruling class" (as there were in Rome). But they are one and all lords and barons, each with their own fiefdom, and Joe Lieberman has been a member of that "ruling class" forever.

That's the reality. And, if ya'all will recall, up to the last moment, before the elections, it was touch and go whether the Democrats really could win any Senate seats, let alone enough to gain control of committees. (We distrusted the polls with good reason, given the situation with vote "tabulation" in this country--a gift of the Anthrax Congress.)

However, it IS galling--I have to admit it--that, despite SEVENTY-PERCENT of the American people opposed to the Iraq War, despite SIXTY-PERCENT of the voters saying that the Iraq War was their number one concern, and, despite majority American opposition to this war FROM THE BEGINNING (56% opposed, Feb. '03, before the invasion), war policy will pretty much be determined by Joe Lieberman, who, more than any Democrat, colluded with the Bush Junta to get us into this disaster, and keep us there.

We have a given situation that Congress, though much improved starting in January, will continue to balk at the will of the people. Even with the Democratic gains, Congress still does not adequately reflect the majority of Americans. And the Senate--with Lieberman holding the swing vote--will surely blockade any big change in the status of the Iraq War, or in the staggering cost of the huge U.S. military presence in the Middle East. We have to look to '08 for significant change, and that is contingent upon our achieving transparent vote counting by that time.

That doesn't mean that we can't make progress. I think we can. We have good group of progressive Democrats in the House who are determined at the very least to achieve accountability for the billions of dollars missing in Iraq, and exposure of some of the other crimes of this regime. We will also probably be able to make progress on social legislation and on a fairer tax policy--although I think the "unitary executive" is going to haunt this Congress, and the need for some sort of "Magna Carta" against Bush is going to be more and more apparent. The new Congress will be facing an out-of-control executive, without a sufficient number of real Democrats in the House (and certainly not in the Senate) to reign him in. What happens when Cheney or Gonzales or Gates or Bush ignores a document subpoena, for instance? What happens if Congress rescinds the bankruptcy bill, or one of the tax cuts for the rich, and Bush refuses to implement it? The "balance of powers" has been thrown way off kilter, in fundamental ways that need to be put right. Personally, I think that needs to be the first order of business. If "impeachment is off the table," as the new Democratic leadership has stated--an act that I consider unconstitutional--something else is needed, some sort of "Magna Carta" (curtailment of the king's powers). It likely wont be enough (nor was the original "Magna Carta"), but the "balance of powers" STILL needs to be re-asserted as the fundamental law of the land.

Hardly anyone is speaking to this--the fundamental law of the land, which has been so egregiously violated. And it is these fundamental violations--presidential "signing statements," and non-transparent vote counting--that are making it so difficult for our democracy to correct its course.

The problem is not limited to one policy--whether the war, or unfair taxation--nor to one crime--whether genocide or torture or theft. The problem is fundamental violation of our democratic principles, across the board, with the fascists' assault on Congressional power (theoretically, the power of the people), in direct ways, and also by scandal and disreputable "rubber stamping," being one of the most dangerous things that has happened. And if the new Congress does nothing else but re-establish its power as an EQUAL branch of government, it will have accomplished a great deal. Because that IS the problem. We, the people, have been stripped of our power to change our nation's course.

I am not so concerned about Lieberman, per se. His return to the Senate is the result of a whole lot of corruption that we have no power to deal with, as yet. I am far more concerned about Congress standing up for itself, and, of course, about achieving transparent, verifiable vote counts for '08 and the future. All in all, the future is more on my mind than the present--how to get power back into the hands of the people, whom I am convinced have good instincts, on the whole. Without serious adjustments in the power structure, back toward democracy, we are going to be involved in endless war, we may suffer financial disaster, and we may never get our country back.



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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 08:10 PM
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45. I gladly concede the point. It's galling, yes.
I just think we're in a better position for expressing it than the Democratic Senate Caucus. It wouldn't do us good if they expressed our own annoyance (or worse) with this themselves.

It's gonna be a long couple of months before the new Congress gets to work though, so we'd better settle down eventually.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:04 PM
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16. How verrry touching. Politics as usual. Ugghhh.
If they had any ethics they would have given him the boot.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:10 PM
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18. The story of the prodigal son comes to mind. I'm happy he was welcomed back.
Listen, we have control of the Senate ONLY because of Joe Lieberman.

No one has gone after him more than me here at the DU or longer since I was after him since 2001 when he went along with Bush's faith based initiatives.

I think we need to govern and show civility and not be like the Republicans were for all these years.

Joe Lieberman is better on gay rights and a protecting a woman's reproductive rights and the environment than some of the new Democrats we elected to the Senate and House.

I am glad to see Democrats in the Senate not acting petty and childish like Tom Delay and his crowd.

Be angry with Joe about the war, I still am, but it's not the only issue we need him on.

I'm glad he's with us. That took a lot of humility and grace on his part.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:15 PM
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23. "That took a lot of humility and grace on his part."
I can't believe I'm reading this. OK, time for a DU break before I start getting all depressed for the future.

Shameless.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:20 PM
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26. It did. We kicked his ass to the curb.
He came back. It might be for self-serving reasons, but still. If I were him, after the way we turned on him for daring to disagree on national security (though he's a fantastic Democrat on every other issue) there would indeed be the temptation to spite us.

But he's going to keep being a Democrat, voting with us, and caucusing with us. Do I wish Lamont won? Sure. Everyone does. But Joe is still a solid Democrat.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 06:41 PM
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40. Yes.
You said it better than I did.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 07:33 PM
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42. "he came back"
Yes, he came back, which in and of itself negates any sense of humilty or grace. Ever since his primary run, he has demonstrated niether.

His insistence on running as an "Independent" was nothing if not an act of self-serving spite directed to the voters of his state party, a majority of whom indicated that they no longer wanted him to represent them. "Humility and Grace"? Hardly. He has acted selfishly, spitefully, and generally despicably in every particular. He's a pustule, and truly foul.
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amb123 Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:12 PM
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19. I don't know what's worse . . .
Joe LIEberman in the Democratic Senate Caucus or the GOP in control of the Senate. *Sigh*

:rant: :banghead: :dilemma:
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:15 PM
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24. I trust that was sarcastic? (nt)
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amb123 Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:23 PM
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28. I trust you're being sarcastic?
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:25 PM
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30. If you'd rather give the Senate to Republicans than tolerate a hawkish Democrat
I would hope you're being sarcastic.
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amb123 Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:39 PM
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33. As long as Joe threatens to vote with GOP,
the GOP DOES CONTROL THE SENATE. We should stop deluding ourselves. Harry Reid doesn't control the Senate, Joe Lieberman does.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:44 PM
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35. Oh, really?
Last I checked, all that matters is how he actually votes. And if he keeps caucusing with the Democrats and voting with the Democrats, it doesn't matter what the hell he says. He's just positioning himself.

There are only two words that matter that come out of any Senator's mouth: "Yea" and "Nay."

http://ontheissues.org/Joseph_Lieberman.htm
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amb123 Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 06:31 PM
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38. Fine.
But when 2008 comes around and we're in the middle of World War III against the entire Moslem world and instead of 3,000 of our soldiers dead in the "War on Terror" so far we have 3,000 deaths a day, don't come crying to me.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:32 PM
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32. I am glad to see those *sshole republican committee chairs gone
C'mon, think about Pat "Cover-up" Roberts going away as a good Dem like Rockefeller steps up to chair the intelligence committee.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:17 PM
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25. Had to happen...that's politics...
The alternative is far worse!!!

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:21 PM
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27. Ouch. That's going to leave a handmark on my face.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:24 PM
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29. Flip-Flop Joe? First there was nothing that could tempt him to
switch parties, and then nothing is off the table. He is going to be our Achilles heel in the senate.
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smitty Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:29 PM
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31. It's just politics, nothing more. The Democrats want Lieberman
back in the fold. Surprised? You shouldn't be.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:39 PM
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34. Don't you think it's practical politics to pretend he's OK? For 2 years?
I don't see the sense in these circumstances for Dems to keep railing at him. I deplored the idea on here that he should share the fruits of a Democratic victory, but now it's come about, there are so many less futile things we can turn our minds to. Blank him from your mind.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:50 PM
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37. Picture from Situation Room.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 06:35 PM
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39. Would they have given Lamont a standing ovation?
Lips, meet ass.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 06:42 PM
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41. All about politics and power...
Damn frustrating that DEMS in leadership will be kissing Joe's ass for the next 2 years. Looks like we have no choice till enough DEMS are added to the Senate majority in 08 (which will make Loserman a footnote). All the Committee Chairs are too important to risk losing should Joe bolt the Dem caucus. Joe knows it. We know it. And behind that ovation I wonder how many DEMS were loading up on the mouthwash and wishing they could be putting on boxing gloves instead of clapping?
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 07:35 PM
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43. Wish I hadn't seen this just after dinner
I feel as if I'm going to :puke:
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