ABC: Abramoff set to turn in Dem senators, Rove

[still_one]

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/ABC_Abramoff_to_turn_in_Dem_1114.html

why don't I believe ANYTHING that comes out of the MSM today, especially ABC who was behind the propaganda piece on 9/11

"Sources close to the investigation say Abramoff has provided information on his dealings with and campaign contributions and gifts to "dozens of members of Congress and staff," including what Abramoff has reportedly described as "six to eight seriously corrupt Democratic senators."

who the hell are these SO-CALLED SOURCES!!!

This is rumor and innuendo.

They are also trying to swift-boat Murtha, for a tape where he is shown refusing to take a bribe

Does anyone notice how quick the MSM is ready to attack Democrats, even when there is no evidence of wrong doing, but how they STILL pretty much give these criminals in the white house a free pass?

[Beetwasher]

1. ABC=The New Fox

'Nuff said.

[WilliamPitt]

2. Where is it against the law

to refuse to take a bribe?

[madrchsod]

20. according to many here at du it is

all democrats need to be as pure as ivory snow. http://www.ivorysnow.ca/

[Virginia Dare]

38. It's not a bad thing to aspire to...

nobody is perfect, but I'd like to hold my own Party to a higher standard than the other one.

[rodeodance]

41. Hannity got in an arguement with Rangel last night about this tape.

[Virginia Dare]

49. What was the gist of it?

I missed it, did Rangel hand him his ass I hope? Rangel is one of the few people capable of shouting Hannity down.

[Bonhomme Richard]

3. I think if they had anything to leak.................

they would have done it before the election.

[AlCzervik]

5. that what i think as well.

[still_one]

6. bingo. What really bothers me is the "sources say..." Who are these so-called sources?

perhaps the RNC or rove

There is an internal memo going around from fox telling them to find an insurgants who are happy with the dem victory during the midterms:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2717673


This is NO LONGER NEWS

I hope the Democrats try to bring back the fairness doctrine

[Lone_Star_Dem]

23. You are correct.

Having said that, if there are Dems who are dirty they deserve the same fate as the republicans.

[blm]

4. I think they can CREATE and INVENT any lie needed. Even the most benign encounter

or loosest of associations can become material for an entirely invented smear campaign.

[Beetwasher]

8. This Is Really An Outrageous Piece of Propoganda!!! Incredible

The only political party mentioned is Dems. Meanwhile, in reality, the ONLY people to be indicted or under investigation so far, are Repubs.

"Sources close to the investigation say Abramoff has provided information on his dealings with and campaign contributions and gifts to "dozens of members of Congress and staff,"

This sentence is amazing in it's mendacity. If there are dozens implicated in Abramoff's dealings, and 6-8 are supposedly Dems, that means that dozens MORE Republicans are involved and yet they ONLY mention Dems?????

Again, nowhere in this article is the Repub party mentioned. That is astounding propogandastic gymnastics.

[blm]

22. And a dropped pronoun in a joke, became an "insult to the troops" - it's what they do.

You don't think the GOP bought up all that control of media in the 80s and 90s so the truth can be told, do you?

[stepnw1f]

9. Interesting How the MSM GOes with It Too (nt)

[sandnsea]

7. Then just BRING IT

Good god. I bet we're going to go through the Dorgan, Reid, Clinton, whoever, lineup again. Yes, Democrats took donations from tribes that later became Abramoff's clients. Next.

[fasttense]

10. If Abramoff had solid evidence against the Democratic Senators,

why did he not come out with it before the election? That would have pretty well given the repukes six to eight seats in the Senate and given them the Senate. There is no love lost between Abramhoff and the Democratic party. Why wait and run the risk of the evidence not being enough to convict and not getting them kicked out of the Senate? Even just smearing these Senators would have helped the repukes. The timing makes no sense.

And why not mention their names? True they might be in the middle of an investigation and don't want to tip the crooked Congressmen off but the only thing Abramoff has is what happened when he was free wheeling it with Delay. That was awhile ago and any smart crook would have destroyed the evidence by now.

You are right, this is just talk with no facts. Corporate media is just throwing a tantrum. They want to start rumors and paint the Dems as corrupt as repukes because they can't grasp that their control in Congress is severely diminished.

[Goblinmonger]

58. I think it is all bullshit, BUT

here's a reason to wait that has A LOT of things that need to fall in line.

These 6-8 dem senators are solid seats. But they come from states with Republican governors. If they wait until after the election, they can try get them kicked out and the republican governor appoints the replacement.

Again, I think it is a crock of shit, but there is one scenario.

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. Set to turn in?

This is after Abramoff turned in all the Repugs?

[still_one]

16. It would be funny if I didn't think people would fall for this nonesense

[atreides1]

12. Murtha might have more baggage

The tape is from the ABCSAM sting which was back in the 70's, but it seems that more recent history has the good Congressman from Pennsylvania involved in voting against serious changes to the ethics and earmark restrictions that the Democrats tried to get through.

Now, as far as ABSCAM is concerned, that's ancient history, like Bush's DUI, failing to fulfill his military service and drug use. But, if Murtha has been instrumental in blocking new tougher rules on ethics and earmarks(pork), then perhaps he needs to explain why he did what he did, just like most of us would like to hear Bush's reasons for really invading Iraq!

[SemiCharmedQuark]

13. six to eight seriously corrupt Democratic senators."? Out of "dozens" of staff?

Even their attempts at smears are lame! It will be interesting to see how this plays out though.

[meegbear]

14. Looks like Mark Halperin's still trying to be Hugh Hewitt's boy ...

keep trying Mark!

[WinkyDink]

15. "Dozens", yet they emphasize "6-8" Democrats?? WHATEVER.

[Warpy]

17. All I can say is "Bring it on, suckers!"

If we lose a few corrupt Democrats, so be it, but I sincerely doubt we will. It's well known Abramoff shared the horror of all things Democratic with the other movers and shakers in the GOP. I suspect that the corruption on the Dem side may be dinners with Abramoff plus a large group of pubbies, far from the enormous scale of obvious bribery on the right side of the aisle.

If there are a couple of dirty Democrats, though, I'm sure we'd all like to know who they are. Otherwise, those "sources" are just throwing post defeat mud and hoping it sticks.

The problem with Democrats, you see, is that they often don't stay bought, unlike the gentlemen on the right side of the aisle who honor bribes correctly.

[earth mom]

18. Some people here on DU are ready to give the criminals a free pass...

just check out all the anti-impeachment posts. No different from what ABC is doing. :puke:

[still_one]

21. I disagree with your assessement

There will be investigations. If there are going to be criminal charges it will not be through impeachment but after they leave office. Then the penalty will be more than getting kicked out of office, it will be prision

[earth mom]

63. FYI:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2723350

[Double T]

19. IF Dems accepted bribes, THEN THEY should be thrown out......

of political office ALSO. kkkarl 'the LOWEST FORM of political scum' rove can NOT be trusted about ANYTHING.....'WE' shall see what the slimy neocons have up THEIR armpit.

[still_one]

24. I agree, "IF" they accepted bribes, but this is all rumor and speculation

from unknown sources

I am convienced that after 6 years, no after 13 plus years the MSM has been on the attack against Democrats, and essentially giving a free pass to the republicans

[Double T]

33. The MSM, being a product 'of, 'by' and 'for' the corrupt corporations.........

AND THEIR equally corrupt enablers, the RW neocon rethugs, IS an ATTACK MACHINE used to discredit and destroy the Democrats and THEIR agenda. Jackie A. is NOW in jail, as of this morning, and probably wanted to stir things up one MORE time before HE is silenced.

[Guaranteed]

46. Absolutely. Corruption disgusts me no less when it's a Democrat involved. nt

[morgan2]

25. you find it shocking there are corrupt democrats?

of course there are.. Yes the democratic party isn't anywhere in the same league as the republicans in terms of corruption in Washington, but you're just being naive if you find it far fetched that there were some also involved.

[Beetwasher]

29. Prove It

Why would Abramoff bribe Dems? They had no power.

We've seen these stories before about Dems being connected to Abramoff and so far they've all been far fetched, contrived bullshit.

[KSU Wildcat]

45. Remember some Dems have

been known to vote with the repugs. I really would not mind getting rid of those traitorous bastards (DINOs)

[Beetwasher]

47. Prove It

Prove there are Dems connected to Abramoff, and then we can talk. Otherwise this is bullshit propoganda from a questionable source until proven otherwise.

[KSU Wildcat]

55. Okay... I take it back...

All Dems are squeaky clean and none vote any important issues with the Repubs and there definitely is no such thing as a DINO. You are more right than I am...You win

[Beetwasher]

65. I Didn't Say That, But Before I'm Stupid Enough To Believe This Tripe

I want to see evidence, not some shoddily sourced bullshit from ABC. Maybe that's good for you, but not me. There's no accounting for standards.

[Vanje]

64. Pretty harsh talk

....from a poster who is opposed to national minimum wage.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2671945

[Vanje]

66. dupe

Dupe

[Virginia Dare]

51. The "system" is corrupt...

it goes across party lines. You're correct, Dems had little power in comparison with the Republicans for the past decade, so to some degree they've been shoved to the sidelines, but the big money players in Washington aren't going anywhere, so we need to be vigilant about making sure they don't get caught up in the same traps.

[still_one]

32. that WASN'T MY POINT. my point was unsubstaintiated

yet it is being reported as fact

it is the wonderful fox straw man technique

"Sources say

"some people say

"it has been said


It is full of vauge innuendos and assertions, without any substance

[glitch]

26. Wasn't it a big K Street no no to deal with Dems at all?

Wasn't that their whole point, freezing out Dems? So who exactly risked K Street wrath to corrupt the opposition?

[Beetwasher]

30. Yes, Exactly, This Story Is Grade A Propogandistic Bullshit

ABC=The New Fox

[still_one]

35. exactly, they are setting up the same strawmen like fox does

[Virginia Dare]

52. You're talking about the "K Street Project"?...

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=K_Street_Project

Yes, but the big lobbying firms have been quietly loading up with Democrats over the past six months or so. They saw the writing on the wall.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/16/AR2006081601598.html

[Cosmocat]

60. Right ...

these guys took mafia like blood oaths to try to kill the democratic party by starving them out of the money ... It runs counter to the whole existance of the K street project to include democrats in it ...

Are there dirty Democratic congressman ... No doubt, but I have a hard time believing they were in the Abramoff circle ...

[Toots]

27. I would bet those would those Senators that voted with the GOP more than

they voted with the Democrats. I won't cry a single tear if they get indicted...Let the Sun shine in.....

[KharmaTrain]

28. Rove Must Be In Trouble Again...

Looks like Halperin is playing stenographer again...with Barabara Comstock's dirty, slimy fingerprints all over this.

Anyone else seeing a pattern here...whenever some bad news about someone in this regime is about to come down, the astroturf is laid to find a Democrat to slime or play "they did it, too"...based purely on rumor or guilt by association. When this kind of bone is tossed out, it's a sign something else is really happening and this is a media "bait & switch" game that works with the talking heads.

Note how no names are listed...plenty of room for fodder. Pick your most demonized Democrat and surely he must be involved here somewhere. We're already seeing it in this thread with the guilt by Murtha meme sinking in. This gives the corporate media...and especially hate radio...the latitude and cover to drag anyone and everyone through the mud and plays into previous repugnican astroturfing.

Be assured Harry Reid's name will come up again. The Repugnican hate machine is out to get him. They couldn't "Daschele him" and now want to find something/anything that diverts attention from the forthcomming indictments of more Repugnicans who DID take money from Abramoff or Mitchell Wade or any of a number of festering investigations.

Little has been said about those Abramoff visits to Rove, but that doesn't mean it hasn't gotten some type of DOJ attention. Another interesting part of this story that is being ignored is Abramoff is being locked up...meaning he's not as valuable to prosecutors than he was previously...or that they're using this tactic to squeeze him further to cough up more about the higher ups I have a feeling he's still protecting.

[BlooInBloo]

31. Go right ahead - liar - turn in all that are criminals.

[Historic NY]

34. I sent them a memo..........

remindingthem so far it has been fairly well established that the Abramoff scandal is wholly Republican owned. If "Fat Jack" wanted to cut his prison time he would have sung a long time ago. Un-named sources or sources close to, are just another way of saying, you have nothing except BS.

[still_one]

36. I would be very surprised if they even read it

[Norquist Nemesis]

37. "Democratic" Senators...hmmmm

Just noted that they're not using 'Democrat Senators' or 'Democrat Party'. Well, we'll see. One would think that if he had info on Democrats, the WH would have moved heaven and earth to get those names prior to November 7th.

[MidwestTransplant]

39. Seeing as Abramoff didn't raise money for Dems. I don't know what he could have?

His clients gave money but supposedly that wasn't necessarily at his urging. Also I don't recall anything about him being chummy with any Dem. Senators.

[BushOut06]

40. How fucking convenient, right after the elections

They should just get over it. We won fair and square, despite their attempts to steal the vote this time. But noooooo, they're going to try every dirty trick they can think of, including dredging up 25-yr old tapes that show Murtha actually refusing a bribe, and trying to somehow spin that into a crime. Unbelievable.

[Ganja Ninja]

42. Bare this in mind.

Accepting money is one thing. Excepting money in exchange for a favorable vote is something altogether different.

[ContraBass Black]

43. Okay.

Let's hear it.

[AtomicKitten]

44. as if Dems had any influence to buy over the last six years

pahleeze

[radfringe]

48. come on folks - let's get with it, heh?

did you honestly really think ONLY the repubs were in abramoff's pockets? Of course there were dems in there too. Which makes it even more of an imperative to reform/revise the house/senate ethic rules.

And make it clear to ALL Americans - that this type of behavior will NOT be tolerated no matter who or what party.

One of the big issues in the election was CORRUPTION - and if the DEMS don't clean their own houses, can they then really claim a ethical high ground?

yeah, I know ABC and other MSM are probably slanting it, what else is new? We've been there before, and will be there again.

The issue is corruption, not the media. Like it or not, I say throw the bums out if they are corrupt. I don't care who they are, how powerful they are, or what party they belong to - if they are dirty they should be thrown out (period no comma)

[Norquist Nemesis]

54. My guesses are they will be pointing a finger at

Reid and Dorgan. They're going to be doing the same thing as before that tribes involved with Abramhoff were tied to these Senators and voila! Guilt by association!

No indictments will be necessary; the rumor's much more powerful than the evidence.

[radfringe]

56. all the more reason to have open, transparent hearings/investigations

if the hearings/investigations stay behind closed doors and are held in the dark - the only information we get is based on "undisclosed", "anonymous", "name withheld" sources and mostly rumor

what's the priority? Doing what is right for the country, for americans, or saving party asses?

[Norquist Nemesis]

57. I'm confident they'll be open and transparent

Remember the McCain/Dorgan hearings? Good stuff!

[JamesJoyce]

50. Raw Story said Karl Rove would be indicted

Nuff said.

[madinmaryland]

53. In 24 hours?

business hours???

:wtf: Why is abc starting a rumor?

[Goblinmonger]

59. You beat me to it.

GMTA.

[bullwinkle428]

61. If that asshole had ANYTHING, he would have revealed it BEFORE

the elections....don't fall for this crap, people!

[jumpoffdaplanet]

62. Any chance there is just one Dem Senator: Liebermann...

Hope, hope, hope.

Just that one Dem Senator would be ok with me.

Personally I don't believe any Dems are involved.

But if just one was, please please please let it be Liebermann!


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