Conyers Accuses Carville Of Aiding Republicans

[kpete]

From an e-mail sent to me today from John Conyers

We also need to recapture the White House in 2008 and maintain and expand our majorities in the Congress. In order to achieve these goals we need to be totally united as a Party. It is fine to debate and argue behind closed doors and among ourselves, but at the end of the day, we owe it to the American people to unite and lead.

Thus, in my opinion it serve's no one's interests but the Republicans for anyone, including my friend James Carville, to suggest dumping DNC Chairman Dean less than three days after the most sweeping Democratic Congressional victory in more than thirty years.

http://johnconyers.com/

[helderheid]

1. Carville wants to dump Dean???

Is he NUTS?!?

[AtomicKitten]

6. no he did not ever say that

It's a really lame internet rumor that has grown into a monster entity lifeform. A blog took a comment he made praising Harold Ford and saying if he ever wanted to run for DNC chair he would be his campaign manager, extrapolated it, and blew it out of proportion accusing him of saying something he did not. He did not even mention Dean nor did he say anything about replacing him. As most of us know, or maybe not, the position of DNC chair is not a lifetime appointment.

[Norquist Nemesis]

11. And yet, that was the "scoop" on the MSN for two days

It was amazing how, according to the cables, the Dems popped their champagne corks and started shooting at each other with an effort to purge Howard Dean.

[AtomicKitten]

14. yes, and we know how reliable

the MSM and internet rumors are.

Here's the ENTIRE blog blurb that started this, a grotesquely biased extrapolation of an entirely separate comment he made about Harold Ford. He doesn't even mention Dean nor does he call for his removal/replacement.

Some big name Democrats want to oust DNC Chairman Howard Dean, arguing that his stubborn commitment to the 50-state strategy and his stinginess with funds for House races cost the Democrats several pickup opportunities.

Says James Carville, one of the anti-Deaniacs, "Suppose Harold Ford became chairman of the DNC? How much more money do you think we could raise? Just think of the difference it could make in one day. Now probably Harold Ford wants to stay in Tennessee. I just appointed myself his campaign manager."

But, you know what? If you are confident that this contitutes what it is alleged to say, knock yourself out.

[Broadslidin]

19. Dr. Dean - A Suspected Road Block to a Clinton Presidential Nomination

The evolving 'Clinton/Carville Think Tank' nomination strategy continues....

[jumpoffdaplanet]

24. Sorry, but I do read it as Carville attacking Dean

Carville is finally getting back what he gave out.

He needs to stop pretending to be a Dem.

[AtomicKitten]

35. please point to where he called for replacing Dean

that is the specific allegation; you are simply changing that actual allegation to fit your analysis

[Coexist]

42. Reporter: Should Dean be dumped? - Carville, In a word... Yes."

Read it again:

"Asked by a reporter whether Dean should be dumped, Carville replied, “In a word, do I think? Yes.”

[AtomicKitten]

48. is there a reason

when pressed back upthread nobody offered that up? The initial blog blurb before this all started didn't say. Apparently he was pressed after the fact and said it. Oh, heaven forbid that a pundit would answer a question. Now you can be happy and continue with your jihad.

[cui bono]

94. So even though he said it you still accuse others of a Carville jihad???

Sounds to me like he offered up his feelings quite freely. I don't know why you're defending him.

Offering a rather different view, two leading party strategists rebuked Mr. Dean on Wednesday, saying the Democrats could have captured 40 House seats rather than 29 had Mr. Dean bowed to demands by Representative Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, leader of the effort to recapture the House, to put more money into Congressional races.

“I would describe his leadership as Rumsfeldian in its incompetence,” one strategist, James Carville, said of Mr. Dean.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/16/us/politics/16dems.html?_r=1&hp&ex=1163653200&en=cf1bf5557313f0a8&ei=5094&partner=homepage&oref=slogin


Carville Says Dems Should Dump Dean over “Rumsfeldian” Incompetence

By Scott Shepard | Wednesday, November 15, 2006, 12:00 PM

Democratic strategist James Carville says his party should dump Howard Dean as chairman of the Democratic Party because of incompetence. <doesn't get any plainer than that does it?>

Carville, during coffee and rolls with political reporters today, said Democrats could have picked up as many as 50 House seats, instead of the nearly 30 they have so far.

The reason they didn’t, he said, is the Democratic National Committee did not spend some $6 million it could have put into so-called “third tier” House races against vulnerable Republicans.

<snip>

He said he tried to meet with Dean to argue for additional spending for Democrats in the final days of the campaign, but Dean declined and gave no reason why.

Asked by a reporter whether Dean should be dumped, Carville replied, “In a word, do I think? Yes.”

He added, “I think he should be held accountable.” He added, “I would describe his leadership as Rumsfeldian in its competence.”
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/washington/entries/2006/11/15/carville_says_d.html

[Apollo11]

99. After what fact?

"Apparently he was pressed after the fact"

The fact is that Carville publicly confirmed he agrees that Dean should be replaced.

Like I listen to the big-mouthed fascist-loving ego-maniac ....

[CAcyclist]

57. Hmm, he may not name Dean, but he's definitely talking about

Dean's replacement - and impugning Dean's competency.

I could totally see Carville saying what he's accused of saying - if he didn't say it, he'd be hotly denying it. He's not the type to let the MSM or anyone else put words in his mouth.

I stand by my words in agreement with another poster - Carville should STFU.

[grmamo]

76. you are totally correct, sounds like some people need to do some research n/t

[tblue37]

93. He also has said that Dean is guilty of

"Rumsfeldian incompetence." Carville is not on our side.

[helderheid]

13. I really appreciate the clarification!

[Old and In the Way]

17. Here's link to a NYT piece that says otherwise.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/11/us/politics/11campaign.html?em&ex=1163480400&en=722d6d550ae14331&ei=5087%0A

With rumblings of a movement to draft Mr. Ford to replace Mr. Dean at the national committee, several Democrats privately said Mr. Emanuel was winning the power struggle.

“It’s pretty clear that the committees work and the D.N.C. works, but they don’t work together,” said James Carville, the Democratic strategist. “And now we’re getting ready to gear up in a presidential year, and I think Harold Ford would be a great chairman.”

This is by Anne Kornblutt, a wankette if there ever was one...but those are supposed quotes from Carville. Of course, I take anything from Kornblutt with a 55 gallon drum of salt, as she's no friend of Democrats. If this is misrepresentation of what Carville said, it ought to be corrected.

[Clark2008]

20. Big Deal. Harold Ford says he doesn't want it.

No good trying to recruit a man who doesn't want the job.

[Old and In the Way]

28. Personally, I don't think it's a big deal either.

Just posting a clarification to the point that it was a figment of the blogoshere's imagination.

[AtomicKitten]

36. please point to where he called for replacing Dean

all anyone can come up with is an extrapolation reaching a conclusion of something he did not say; he criticized him but he did not call for replacing him ....

The internet is all atwitter and pissy over something he didn't say. He criticized Dean, he's a paid pundit and that's his job, but he didn't call to replace him.

[progressoid]

22. But Carville heaped praise on Ken Melman...

"The R.N.C. did a better job than the D.N.C. this year."

It's true that the Corporate Media jumped all over this story. That is partially because they love a good political soap opera. And Carville gave them some more grist for the mill.

Carville's disdain of Dean is no secret & and his avoidance of ANY praise of the DNC is telling.

[Beelzebud]

30. He just called Dean "Rumsfeldian in his incompetence". Fuck James Carville...

[Coexist]

31. Yes - he did.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2723828&mesg_id=2723828

[AtomicKitten]

34. please point to where he called for replacing Dean

he criticized him but he did not call to replace him

[Coexist]

37. Should "Dean ...be dumped, Carville , “In a word, do I think? Yes.”

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/washington/entries/2006/11/15/carville_says_d.html

"Asked by a reporter whether Dean should be dumped, Carville replied, “In a word, do I think? Yes.”

He added, “I think he should be held accountable.” He added, “I would describe his leadership as Rumsfeldian in its competence.”

I thought the link in that OP led to the article I had just read. My mistake - the link for the correct article is above.

[AtomicKitten]

38. again, he criticized him but didn't call to oust him.

Everybody keeps offering up critiques of his - which is his job as a paid pundit BTW - but nobody has yet to offer up him actually calling for Dean's replacement. Extrapolation doesn't count. Please point to where he called for ousting Dean. You can't because he didn't do it. The internet is just pissy about this because he criticized Dean. That I don't argue with; I do argue with him being accused of saying something he did not say.

[Coexist]

39. saying he should be dumped is not calling to oust him?

that is some really twisted logic you're using there.

[AtomicKitten]

43. Where did he say he should be dumped?

I'd comment on YOUR logic but I keep hoping you'd realize all this alleged evidence does not prove he said something he did not say.

I think what you mean to say is that you feel that is what he meant. But he didn't say it.

[Coexist]

46. IN HIS QUOTE - for crying out loud, you are being silly.

Should he be dumped?

Yes.

Oh, dear, he didn't say he should be dumped.

WTF???

[Cha]

67. REALLY!

Gawddamn!

[John Gauger]

65. Are you saying that the quote is fabricated?

I just don't understand why you say that he never said that. The only way your denials make sense is if the quote is a fake. Maybe I'm being stupid, but are you saying that they quote is fabricated?

[AtomicKitten]

87. briefly

The original blog blurb that started this whole mess was way more vague, i.e., he didn't say it. But people jumped the shark anyway. Later a reporter asked him point blank and he answered. It was that proof that he actually said what he was accused of that was of interest to me. And truthfully, I don't understand why people get all wrapped in stupid crap like this.

[tkmorris]

91. Come on now

You seem to have severe difficulty understanding when you've had your own head served up to you on a platter.

Carville said Dean should be dumped. There's no two ways about it, he said it.

[PVnRT]

40. Jesus Christ, did you read the quote?

Or are you just being deliberately obtuse? Or do you really believe that unless someone releases a sworn affidavit that they didn't "really" say anything?

[Coexist]

44. I vote for deliberately obtuse.

[AtomicKitten]

45. no, I'm a literalist

and he didn't LITERALLY say it. Your argument appears to be that you think that is what he meant.

[Coexist]

47. when asked if he should be dumped, he LITERALLY said YES.

[AtomicKitten]

51. is there a reason nobody offered this up upthread?

... or did you just start looking for it when I pressed you? The initial blog blurb didn't contain that call, the blurb that started this whole mess, and it appears a reporter after the fact pressed him and, yes, he did say it. I'm glad I made people actually look for the information and now we are all satisfied and you can continue on with your pile-on. Carville must die. Is that how it goes? Or is that too obtuse?

[Coexist]

53. my second response to you (#37 I think) did just that:

"I thought the link in that OP led to the article I had just read. My mistake - the link for the correct article is above."

[PVnRT]

50. Gee, let's parse this

"Do you think Howard Dean should be dumped."

"Yes, I think so."

What did he "literally" mean? Dump Dean in a river?

[AtomicKitten]

52. no need - it's just it took 20 posts for someone to offer it up

But I'm glad I made people actually look for it rather than piling on on the word of a vague internet blurb that started this all, one in which he in fact did not say what he was alleged to have said. Apparently a reporter pressed him after the fact.

Now you can all continue on with your pile-on against Carville which is a poorly veiled attack on the Clintons, because this wouldn't be DU after all if there wasn't some in-party jihad going on.

[Coexist]

54. nice strawman.

[Cha]

68. And doesn't speak well

for whatever fucking candidate is being hawked.

[PVnRT]

56. Funny, I don't recall Dean saying that Emanuel should be "dumped"

Or that his leadership was incompetent. Or making sure to say very loudly a couple of days after the election that Tuesday's success is all attributable to his strategy.

Yeah, it's those whacky liberals starting the in-party jihad. Sure, you bet. :eyes:

[Alexander]

58. So Carville's OK, because it took 20 posts to prove he wants Dean out?

:crazy:

BTW - I don't recall hearing either of the Clintons calling for Dean's ouster like Carville did.

[AtomicKitten]

62. my sun doesn't rise and set on what dumbass pundits say

Just trying to ascertain if this DU jihad de jour was actually for something real or just yet another rumor. I'm glad a reporter asked the real question albeit after the fact, not that that mattered to the pile-on already in progress.

Beyond ascertaining that information, I don't really care what pundits have to say. IMO they are all taking heads and I don't have a lot of interest in the incessant in-party fighting, but you go right on ahead.

[LittleClarkie]

97. If you don't care what pundits have to say, then why did you just spend several posts

arguing about what Carville did and didn't say?

[Starlight]

55. WTF? You won't believe it unless he says some specific phrase? Give me a break.

[aquart]

88. Oh, don't try that trash here.

It wastes time and gets you put on Ignore lists. Which is where I'm putting you now.

[Bluebear]

100. That is a grand idea. nt

[cali]

60. Your inability to grasp the blatantly obvious

has become hilarious. This, Kitty, is how politics works; if you go around saying negative things to the press about someone, call them incompetent, and mention the name of someone you think would be great at the job, you're leading a charge to dethrone. I don't think there's one political analyst in the country who'd disagree with that.

[AtomicKitten]

61. oh, I grasp it too well ergo asking for someone to show the quote

Specifically I understand the politics at DU where people pile on (which they did here) on the basis of the orginal epically vague blog blurb. It wasn't until later that a reporter asked Carville to clarify. So, I realize that most here in the pile-on don't really care if he actually said it or not at first, but I do.

And thanks for people actually pony'ing up what became the reason for the pile-on already in progress.

From my point of view, who gives a rat's ass what a political pundit has to say? It is just their opinion and you know what they say about opinions ... http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take?testid=530286940465238495

[stepnw1f]

74. Here's another Quote for You to Deny

This has already been offered to you a few times now:

"Asked by a reporter whether Dean should be dumped, Carville replied, “In a word, do I think? Yes.”

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/washington/entries/2006/11/15/carville_says_d.html

....and there is this:

"He added, “I think he should be held accountable.” He added, “I would describe his leadership as Rumsfeldian in its competence.”

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/washington/entries/2006/11/15/carville_says_d.html

[AtomicKitten]

79. somehow

asking for the quote and receiving it gives you the impression I'm denying it? That's the proof I was asking for, dude.

The proof came AFTER the pile-on started but I'm happy for you that you actually have something to get your knickers in a twist over.

Now you go ahead and continue on with your pile-on while I continue to not give a crap.

[Name removed]

85. Deleted message

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[Bluebear]

101. Could you BE any more obnoxious? A simple "I stand corrected" would have sufficed.

Adieu.

[Elidor]

78. Blew it out of proportion, eh?

Even before Carville re-inserted his foot into his mouth today, it was plain what he meant. Operatives with Carville's experience don't say things like that unless they intend to take a shot at somebody. And his mouth was aimed at Dean.

I guess Carville was a bit too subtle for you the first time around, eh?

[AtomicKitten]

86. no

I'm just not anxious to jump on the TRASH DEMOCRATS train like some of you without a good reason. I also don't get all atwitter when some idiot pundit says something stupid. It takes very little provocation for some of you to go off and, since we are lobbing insults, I don't think too highly of that. So there.

[unblock]

81. i'm squishing your head! i'm squishing your head!

:rofl:

[Samantha]

80. Carville is a Hillary proponent -- she's his future bread and butter

Dean is a silent Gore proponent. Yes, yes I know the Chair cannot play favorites during the primary season, but Dean is only human. He, like Gore, was against the war. You know his political relationship with Gore if you were paying attention during 2004 --so it boils down to this for Carville: blow any Gore proponents out of the water to smooth the waters for Hillary.

It's just politics; unfortunately, Carville is too transparent to play.

[blm]

2. It's time anti-corruption, open government Democrats stand AGAINST the coverup wing of the party.

Thankyou John Conyers.

[bahrbearian]

10. Carvilles stand on impeachment ? He isn't saying its off the

table is he?

[ToeBot]

15. I don't know about Carville, but Conyers is against impeachment now...

From the same email:

"...As many of you also know, I have agreed with Speaker-to-be Pelosi that impeachment is off the table. Instead, we agree that oversight, accountability and checks and balances – which have been sorely lacking for the last six years – must occur. I have nothing but respect for those who might disagree, but that is where I come out."

I wonder if he realizes what a contradiction that statement actually is. Oh well, time for me to sit down and shut-up this election is over.

[Nabia2004]

23. contradiction, more like betrayal, people want justice at all levels

Are they playing games with us. This doesn't sit well with me at all. I hope this is part of an overall impeachment strategy. Nevertheless, we must continue to apply pressure.

[John Gauger]

66. I think Conyers is doing the right thing.

It is too late for impeachment. He never said that he would impeach, just that he would investigate. He has not broken that promise. He will still investigate. His was always implying that he would push for impeachment if that is what he found to be the best course of action, but it is too late for him to find that now. It is important that instead of finding one crime and impeaching for it that we investigate all of his crimes in the next two years. Once he is out of office, the International Criminal Court can still indict and convict him for all of his crimes. That is the course of action we should take.

[Leopolds Ghost]

102. "oversight" not investigations

Senior Dems pledged to Tim Russert that oversight hearings would not lead to any calls for impeachment.

No impeachment = no criminal charges.

This includes Cheney, mind you. People have a one track mind when they could be going after Cheney, not Bush, who is merely a fool. Cheney's ratings are already half those of Nixon's, g*ddamnit!

Also, no impeachment = continued Bush illegal wiretapping. Dems in Congress has basically pledged not to stop them from making it legal, because if it stays illegal then Bush and Congress are allowing federal law to be broken by NSA and the phone companies every day.

Moderate Dems have come out and SAID they support a bill to make illegal wiretapping legal "so long as it is legal -- and effective." (Nelson Rockefeller) Note the Catch-22 here?

[kentuck]

3. Good he said it...

James has been listening to his "better half" too much...

[Jackpine Radical]

5. Carville is a jerk.

He was a mole in the Kerry camp, per Woodward. God knows what he might have leaked BEFORE the election.

[Clark2008]

21. Something I've never understood...

How does Carville telling his wife that Kerry was thinking about challenging the vote count make him a mole?

First, Kerry didn't challenge. Second, simply telling someone they might isn't leaking any strategic information.

Maybe I've missed a whole lump of that conversation and I'm certainly NOT defending Carville, who is slime, but HOW is simply telling the other side that your side is THINKING about challenging a vote count being a mole?

Please enlighten me.

[Leopolds Ghost]

103. He told her exactly how many votes

Kerry planned to contest a specific number of ballots.

Carville basically wanted Matalin to tip off Blackwell
to make sure that the number of contestible ballots
(as defined by Blackwell, then Secretary of State) was
lower than the number requested by Kerry.

The next day, the number of contestible ballots, which
was still in the realm of probability for Kerry,
inexplicably dropped by exactly the amount needed to
prevent Kerry from challenging (according to the math
Kerry's camp, not Blackwell, had worked out.)

It's like telling Iraqi troops what route a US battalion
is taking to the capital and how much fuel they have left.

[elehhhhna]

27. HIs "better half" is a War Criminal.

[Benhurst]

4. Thank you, John Conyers!

[natrat]

7. carville is human garbage and should be tarred and feathered

[porphyrian]

8. Ha! Conyers is such a great guy. - n/t

[goclark]

9. Tell it like it is Conyers ~ you are the MAN

Carville is dangerous.

I can not forget the lines in "State of Denial" when he called his wife and tipped her off to the challenge of the votes issue with the Kerry campaign.

He is dangerous folks.
Pipeline to the witch that lives in his house.


He was so wonderful, wish the real Carville could come back but I'm afraid that he has sold his soul to the devil.

[BlooInBloo]

12. I still don't understand why DUers were all a-fearful-twitter over...

... James I'm-completely-irrelevant-but-fooled-you-idiots-into-thinking-otherwise Carville.

[smoogatz]

16. Carville's a mole. The DLC are traitors to their Party and the nation's best

interests. The sooner we're rid of them, the better.

[earth mom]

49. Exactly! eom

[ananda]

18. Yeahbuddy!

You go Conyers!

Tell it like it is... publicly... and often!

[Wetzelbill]

25. I own "The War Room" and to see Carville fighting for Dems

is something so wonderful. He gives this great little speech in the first 10 minutes of the film that is simply inspiring. He gives another one towards the end of the film. It gives me so much pride to watch Carville speak that way. But he has become little more than a caricature of himself. He's always been a wacky colorful guy, however, now he has become just a total shitheel. He's a lot like Zell in a way, but more dangerous. Zell Miller is an easily dismissed lunatic, an old bitter man who acts like he never got the type of career he wanted from the Democratic party so he turned on it in his old age. Sure Zell's actions in 2004 were devastating, but only the craziest RWers would ever buy his shit. Carville on the other hand is able to still function within the Democratic party, and is looked on by many as a viable voice both in and out of the party. To many people on the outside looking in, James Carville is a guy who represents the Democratic party. When he goes out and says shit like that it is definitely destructive to Dean, because it makes people think Howard Dean is the screaming stereotype and loose cannon the media has portrayed himself. What the average person does not realize is Howard Dean is the Democratic Party nowadays and James Carville is old news.

[DemPower]

26. Public accuses Conyers of aiding Bush!

Why is he going after Carville and letting Bush off the hook?

[Beelzebud]

32. Letting Bush off the hook? Get real. Carville needs a few slap-downs for his comments lately.

[stepnw1f]

72. Okeedokee....

dem power my ass

[Vidar]

29. Good for Conyers.

[Individualist]

33. Conyers is right!

DLCers are neocon enablers.

[David Zephyr]

41. John Conyers!

Thank you John Conyers.

[The Count]

59. Carville's latest for those who missed:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2616061
Carville Says Dems Should Dump Dean over “Rumsfeldian” Incompetence

[Joe Chi Minh]

69. Now don't go confusing AtomicKitten...

[MoonRiver]

63. Go Conyers!

k&r

[GETPLANING]

64. Carville has turned GOP

Carville probably cost Kerry the 2004 election by calling his wife, Mary Matalin, (horses whinnying) who was AT THE WHITE HOUSE, to tell her that Kerry was going to challenge Ohio.
Why Carville has not been expelled from the Democratic party is a question that needs answering.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

70. Let's damp down the in-fighting and not make mountains out of molehill controversies.

[stepnw1f]

71. Thank You! Keep Up the Fight Brothers!

Don't let these corporate puppets take power away from "We the People".

[dogday]

73. Who wants to argue with Conyers?

not me, I believe in what he says... Carville, shut up!!!!

[Imagevision]

75. Conyers is reading Carvelle like a cheap suit...!

[The Watchman]

77. Wow, I knew the media wouldn't credit Dr. Dean...but

Its a new low for them now to suggest he "failed" or was "incompitiant" when his party over took both houses of congress under his direction. I have four words from the bottom of my heart.

"Fuck you, James Carville."

He supports triangling canidates and those who tend conservative rather then those who openly talk about Progressive ideas.

The media will no doubt run with his story to show how stupid ol' screamin howard is and how he can't do anything right. Next Carville will be second guessing Dean on his handling of heart patients.

Be Vigilant.

[Monk06]

82. Carville is a creep. Yesterday's news. He's a Beltway Bandit who thinks he's friggin Yoda.

[Leopolds Ghost]

104. He LOOKS like friggin' Yoda :-)

Or E.T. maybe. Or Jeremiah the Bullfrog.

[Ksec]

83. Carville needs to just stfu and go back to Arkansas

Maybe he could shoot some ducks or kill some catfish , maybe even share a dinner with his wife(poor guy) ,whatever he wants. Just as long as he closes that big dumb lookin yap of his.
Dean should be sainted for what hes done for us, not stabbed in the back by power hungry aholes.

[DemBones DemBones]

84. Thank you, John Conyers! Carville has been

sleeping with the enemy for many years and it's affected his thinking.

I saw Carville on CNN tonight trashing Howard Dean's leadership. It's eight days after the election and I think everyone has heard Carville's accusations -- past time for him to shut up.


Send Howard Dean a birthday card with a check for $20.08, tell him to stay at the helm of the DNC.

[CountDmoney]

89. Carville is a traitor to our party

nuff said.

[upi402]

90. I bet Dean is blocking Hillary behind closed doors

and she sicked the attack master on Dean.


hope I'm wrong.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

92. those damn fools better not dump HOWARD DEAN! K&R, K&R...

K&FUCKING R!!!

congratulations pete, your the first person to ever get me to type that word at DU.

[BlueIris]

95. I love John Conyers.

That is all.

[zonkers]

96. Carville, clam up.

[lonestarnot]

98. Yeah!

:applause: John Conyers I love you! :loveya: