This is hilarious (re: Ledeen and the Neocons):

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Michael Ledeen, American Enterprise Institute freedom scholar: "Ask yourself who the most powerful people in the White House are. They are women who are in love with the president: Laura (Bush), Condi, Harriet Miers, and Karen Hughes."

(IOW - let's blame the mess of the Bush Administration on any prominent woman with any connection to Bush :eyes: )

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/12/neocons200612?currentPage=2


This Vanity Fair article is pretty funny - how the neoconservatives are trying to pretend they had nothing to do with anything. :crazy:

Richard Perle: "Huge mistakes were made, and I want to be very clear on this: They were not made by neoconservatives, who had almost no voice in what happened, and certainly almost no voice in what happened after the downfall of the regime in Baghdad. I'm getting damn tired of being described as an architect of the war...."


Some interesting quotes from Adelman:

Adelman believes that neoconservatism itself—what he defines as "the idea of a tough foreign policy on behalf of morality, the idea of using our power for moral good in the world"—is dead, at least for a generation. After Iraq, he says, "it's not going to sell."

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"The most dispiriting and awful moment of the whole administration was the day that Bush gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to (former C.I.A. director) George Tenet, General Tommy Franks, and (Coalition Provisional Authority chief) Jerry (Paul) Bremer—three of the most incompetent people who've ever served in such key spots. And they get the highest civilian honor a president can bestow on anyone! That was the day I checked out of this administration. It was then I thought, There's no seriousness here, these are not serious people. If he had been serious, the president would have realized that those three are each directly responsible for the disaster of Iraq."

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1. Barf.....'in love' with Chimpy??

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2. P.S. the photos are creepy.

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3. What did you expect...

...considering the subjects?

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4. They are creepier than usual

because they are so clear and "in your face".

It made it difficult to read the article. I put it on "print" view and they were still there. ;(


I can usually shut out anything on a web page - that I want to ignore - it was difficult to do with those picts.

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5. "...the idea of using our power for moral good in the world." Lunacy?

Or just lies? Hard to tell.

The truth that could possibly lay underneath the lunatic statement that slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocent people, torturing many more, and laying waste to their society is "using our power for moral good in the world" is that the true motives of "the deciders" (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rightwing cabal that put them in power) was looting. Rumsfeld said almost exactly this, of the extensive looting in Baghdad after the invasion: freedom = the freedom to loot. But in the case of Cheney's company and other war profiteers, looting with both hands, looting on a scale never before seen in this country and maybe any country. Were these "virtuous" NeoCons THAT blind, and that stupid? Well, that says a lot about their NeoConster philosophy of using "our power" to do "moral good in the world." Blind, stupid people--whom I presume are doing pretty well now. Good investments. Good pensions. Books deals. On retainer from rightwing billionaire funded "stupid tanks."

I'm tending toward lies, not lunacy--even though (or maybe because) we've seen this sort of lunacy before in history. I'm sure the medieval crusaders who looted and raped their way to Jerusalem thought they were doing "moral good in the world." So, too, the Iran/Contra gang--murdering schoolteachers and mayors for their politics. And upwards of two million people slaughtered in Vietnam and Southeast Asia, based on the infamous quote by a U.S. military commander, "We had to burn down the village to save it."

God save us from moral do-gooders!

But you'd think they would have known. $10 TRILLION deficit. Multiple tax cuts for the super-rich. The war profiteers and their Junta DIDN'T CARE what happened in this hog pen. They are the greediest, most cold-eyed sons of bitches on earth. Freedom = the freedom to loot.

Lies, clouded by lunacy. Chaos creating opportunities for grand theft. Think Katrina. And now the Middle East is a tinderbox aflame. How much more of our future will be mortgaged to keeping it from blowing planet earth all to Hell?

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6. I'll go with lies.

Like Ledeen's comment - it's so absurd. There may be some people who will believe that - because some people will believe anything. I don't think for half a second that Ladeen thinks that. He probably figures that some sexist people will believe that and get all riled up about it.


Ledeen, esp. has written about having no qualms about lying and putting out a story that will serve his purposes.


There probably could be some people working for them at some level who don't know the difference between reality and fiction. Part of that could just be that they believe the people in charge and don't think that they would lie to them.

And then there are people like Limbaugh/Savage/Miller who spread the lies. They probably don't know what's going on, either. It would easier for them be all charged up if they bought into the nonsense.

Some PR things like the Lincoln Group - do know what was going on - and are helping to confuse people.

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7. Don't forget Carville's ugly wife....