Is Carville the lapdog of Hillary? What's behind the public Dean backstabbing?

[NoodleyAppendage]

Carville is savvy enough to realize that he's raising a stink that will hurt (or at least taint) Dean. So, what's behind his motivations?

I know Rahm, Hillary, and Schumer are not too keen on Dean, so is Carville doing their dirty work by talking down his progress last week?

The long knives are out. I want to know who's pulling the strings. Hillary?

J

[Warpy]

1. Hillary, no. Al From, maybe

[David Zephyr]

2. Carville does the bidding of Bill and Hillary Clinton.

This is all calcuated and rehearsed. I am really getting sick of Bill and Hillary.

Her attack on Murtha and Kerry was already enough. Having their sockpuppet, Carville, attack Howard Dean is over the top.

[bbgrunt]

35. i agree. that's why I'd never vote for Hillary

[tblue]

3. I don't know, but we oughta set them straight REAL quick. Dean got us where we are. If it ain't

broke, don't fix it.

[LSparkle]

4. We have a winner

That's how I see it. The Clinton pack are positioning themselves to be able to hand-pick the chairman to suit Queen Hillary. Realistically, who fires their party head right after a VICTORY? How long was Terry McAuliffe party chair? The position is not "term-limited" or confined to a particular election cycle ... is it?

[cali]

5. Carville is the top Clinton attack dog.

Of course it's the Clintons. I find it amusing that some people can't grasp something as basic and obvious as this.

[NoodleyAppendage]

17. That cinches it. Carville just said on CNN that he had a delightful lunch with Newt.

Carville is gone from grassroots support. And, WTF is he doing having a "delightful lunch" with Newt at a time when he's publicly evicerating Dean?

J

[tabasco]

30. I'm just an ordinary Joe but I wouldn't sit at the same table with Gingrich.

I don't associate with scum.

[BootinUp]

6. what is he saying?

[LSparkle]

10. He's upset about a few races that were underfunded

Says there was about $10M in the bank and only $3M drawn down -- with a bit more money, there might have been even a few more victories.

Still I think it's petty ... he's looking pretty desperate, frankly. Says he wants to "change the culture" (???). Less focus on state chairmen and more on candidates. Sounds like he doesn't get the concept of "delegation."

Wolfie just accused Carville of being GREEDY! Now Witch Buchanan (of course) agreeing with Serpent Head. Defending Schumer and Emmanuel (predictably).

[NoodleyAppendage]

11. He's backtracking a bit...couching his words. He's a shaved rat terrier.

Carville is bitching that Dean didn't spend all of the money.

It's time to make Carville feel the PAIN of Net grassroots organization. I want him raked over the coals for his turncoat, traitorous bullsh*t.

J

[Spazito]

13. He was vicious, he gave all the credit to Emanuel, etc, and then

said Dean was to blame for not picking up 40 seats. He wants him gone. Man, he has a real HATE on for Dean, it strikes me as having a lot of personal animosity behind it as well as a political agenda.

[John Q. Citizen]

7. Schumer actually gave very gracious credit to both Dean and to the netroots

for our big win. He posted to Kos and I for one appreciated it.

Carville is shilling for Hillary and also wants someone in the DLC who will give him a job I think.

[bloom]

8. So I'm assuming that Carville/From are worried about populism?

I don't think that that is something that Hillary would necessarily have to worry about.


I don't think HIllary is the one making all the decisions - that's for sure. It's could be some group that we don't even know about. Some group of rich people who feel it's their right to control things.

[LSparkle]

14. Yes -- somebody like John Edwards probably scares them to death

After all, it was Clinton and co. that began taking big corporate donations and pushed NAFTA ... Edwards is against both of those things, as are several other potential candidates. No wonder Carville and the DLC are concerned -- the tide is turning against them BIG TIME.

[NoodleyAppendage]

24. If Edwards is in the race, I'm voting for him. Hillary is a last resort.

Edwards is WAY more electable than Hillary. Hillary is too polarizing (even for Dems).

J

[diva77]

9. What will it take to make sure Dean remains where he is?

:hangover:

[LSparkle]

12. Dr. Dean himself

He's not about to be ousted from a post where he's had a positive impact. Carville and co. are tangling with the WRONG GUY if they think Dean's going to go away quietly.

[Guaranteed]

34. Worst case scenario: Dean runs in 2008.

They CAN'T want that.

[shance]

15. Who's the most frightened of Governor Dean? Think about it.

I'll give a hint.

The word begins with "R" and ends with "N".

Jimmy's carrying water for the Repubs and wifey on this one.

[bpeale]

27. sorry, i must be tired today...

you'll have to make this a bit more clear to me. i'm lost here.

[NoodleyAppendage]

28. I think he was referring to Republican, maybe? Only thing I could think of...

J

[LSparkle]

16. OMFG -- Carville had lunch with NEWT?

What is the problem with this guy? Zell Miller for veep, lunching with Gingrich ... talk about a sellout!!!

[NoodleyAppendage]

18. Correction. A Delightful Lunch...something tells me Dean was a topic of discussion.

Carville is a whore.

J

[Cha]

22. Yeah, newt the stoop could

be heard tellin' mr matlin that ya'll have "real problem" with that upstart grassy netroots populist runnin' the show. ;)

[lisa58]

19. I remember Carville saying...

...when asked if he would ever run another campaign he said he would do anything for Mrs. Clinton.

[Fleshdancer]

20. I still think this is about money.....

From the outside looking in, I see a crying DC consultant bitching and moaning even though the Democrats picked up BOTH the House and the Senate. So aside from winning, what else is different in this election? The 50 state strategy. Instead of throwing money at rich blowhards like Carville who probably got use to the windfall every two years, Dean gave the money to the states that desperately needed it.

Dean is going against the inside the beltway status quo. That can't be good for people like Carville. :)

[Cha]

21. mr mary matlin THINKS it will

harm Dean..the operative word is "think". The only one carville is hurting is himself..oh, and maybe hillary.

carville is a Divider not a uniter..like some other prick we know of.

[gratuitous]

23. A couple of things

I think it's Carville trying to keep himself in the spotlight and relevant; his work is heavily dependent, after all, on his consulting services for campaigns, and if people don't think he's quite as important as he says he is, his income suffers. Second, I think Carville is trying to make Emanuel look like the second coming of Karl Rove or Richard Viguerie, only in Democratic clothing.

Emanuel (or Hillary or Bill), of course, could knock this into a cocked hat by simply saying that Carville is speaking for himself, and that there's plenty of credit to go around for the Democrats' stunning victory in 2006. But curiously, none of them is saying anything like that. Disappointing.

Because there is a lot of credit to go around, not just to Dr. Dean and the netroots, but to Rahm Emanuel, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, and a whole host of other Democratic campaigners and operatives. It was a national effort put together by a lot of people. Boiling it all down to the work of one man is to buy into the "messiah" narrative so favored by another political party that likes to pretend that everyone is a self-sufficient, independent operator who succeeds or fails solely through their own efforts, and that we're not all interconnected and interdependent on one anoother. That other political party likes to think that your failure prompts their success, and that if you succeed, that they have somehow failed to get everything that's rightfully theirs.

We're not like them. We don't believe that every person is an island. We should act like it, and if Carville doesn't care for a party where victories and defeats are shared among everyone on the team, there's another political party that will pander to his brand of whiny individualism.

[NoodleyAppendage]

25. Very thoughtful reply and observations. Thanks n/t

J

[Bucky]

26. This is gonna boomerang on him. Dean's getting good press & this only hurts Carville.

I don't think this will work at all. Dean is up. You're supposed to kick a man when he's down. When he's up, you got to knock him down before you kick. This "didn't score a big enough victory" out of a complete rout looks like sour grapes from a nonplayer like Carville. What's more, it's as big a hit on Schumer and Emmanuel as it is on Dean.

Nice try, cue ball. Try to make the next shot count, tho.

[Cha]

29. And on hillary too.

I read someone on cnn suggested mr matalin was "greedy".

[Bucky]

31. I don't see this hurting her. She's adequately distanced from this comment.

I still think she'll have a glass jaw in the primaries. If she takes one bad shot, she'll shatter.

[Cha]

33. Just not from us little ol'

netrooters!

This is mean down and dirty and the first salvo has been fired across the bow from ol carville..bye bye billary.

[earth mom]

32. Finally people are seeing the truth about Bill & Hillary & the DLC!

Many of us told DU so....

[creeksneakers2]

36. I don't see one bit of evidence

that the Clintons have anything to do with Carville's attacks on Dean.