Why have so many DUers declared war on so many Democrats?

[kentuck]

Some have declared Murtha unfit because of some story they have heard over the M$M and are ready to throw him overboard. And James Carville, call CNN and tell them to fire him, etc. Have we forgotten that we still have a political enemy out there called "Republicans"?

[William769]

1. They have nothing better to do.

[Ksec]

2. I vote for Murtha

My kinda guy.
The rest of you who dont like him are filthy animals who steal , lie and murder....

[blondeatlast]

13. Yeah, well, I didn't see YOU at the "War on Christmas" meetup...

Explain THAT, wooja?

[Ksec]

16. I was home mailing fake anthrax letters....

So there.

[GymGeekAus]

17. Poor signal of ones character to even joke about that.

People died in that original anthrax attack, you know.

[Ksec]

19. Oh really?

I did not know that.

Another sensitive one.

[GymGeekAus]

38. Yeah, part and parcel of being part of a community,

this liberal bias of mine.

[Hugin]

21. .

:lol: Priceless!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. With "friends" like Carville we don't need enemies like Republicans.

[lyonn]

22. Carvelle was on a rant awhile ago

He needs to calm down. He complained loudly that Dean didn't spend enough DNC money so that we could possibly have gotten more Dems elected. He is never satisfied, didn't recognize that Dean was helping His party. Pretty dumb conversation.

[greyl]

4. I think posts like yours only fan the flames.

What do you mean by "so many"? 4%?

[kentuck]

9. It only takes one match to burn down a house...

So what's your point?

[greyl]

27. My point is that your post is fanning the flames.

If you want to save the house, put out the tiny fire rather than screaming that the whole block is on fire or starting a new one.

[kentuck]

33. What flames??

Somebody else has already started a fire? :)

[greyl]

34. Good grief. Ok, we'll use your initial war metaphor then.

I'm not sure how yet, but we'll use that sucker. ;)

I just don't think it's as bad as you appear to be making it.

There's no substance to the attacks on Murtha, and they will diminish shortly (here and MSM) like Limbaugh's fan base.

[kentuck]

36. I hope you're right...

But it appears the war on the new majority has begun in earnest already. There's not going to be any "bi-partisanship" or any of that crap and the sooner the Democrats understand that the better.

[DireStrike]

5. Because that's how politics works

Don't let crappy party members hold positions of power now, and you don't have to defend their bullshit later.

I'm not saying Murtha is necessarily one of these, but it's a prudent position. I wish the GOP would do it, and they no doubt are right about now.

[MazeRat7]

6. It reminds me of another era in history....

When those that were not pure enough were singled out as the enemy.


MZr7

[Robbien]

7. Carville is a Democrat? I heard he lunches with Gingrich

and hates the head of the DNC.

That's a Democrat?

[AtomicKitten]

8. It's a sport.

I find the incessant in-party battles at DU sickening.

[stillcool]

10. it's the echo chamber..

if the 'media' makes something an issue, we all follow suit. Another breed of 'sheeple'.

[blondeatlast]

31. We have a winner. We follow the RW Noise Machine just as they follow

their corporate-funded, tax exempt think tank masters...

[Julien Sorel]

11. Because for many people,

politics is just a means of expressing hostility. Hostility against Republicans, against other Democrats -- it just doesn't matter as long as they are getting it out. You see the same thing from the other side; it's why people like Limbaugh are so popular: they specialize in marshalling and directing hostility. For you, politics might be a means to make the world a better place; for them, it's a form of cheap psychotherapy.

[GymGeekAus]

12. CREW has a legitimate concern.

Ignoring it hardly safeguards our democracy.

Is this the new era of Congressional ethics or not?

[Individualist]

14. The only thing worse than a neocon

is a neocon enabler. :puke:

[Cha]

15. Like a dino

neocon?

[Individualist]

18. like DLC.

I detest collaborators!

[movonne]

20. Yes, we have to be very critical of our politicans..or we will have

another corrupt administration...this is very healthy...

[MoonRiver]

23. I didn't declare war on Carville. He declared war on the Democratic Party.

How dare you imply that Carville is some innocent being targeted by terrible DUers when he is openly engaging in vicious attacks against our Chairman, Howard Dean (remember, the guy who led us to historic wins last week, :eyes:).

Carville is scum. As far as I'm concerned the posts about him on DU are defensive actions against his bald faced lies and smears.

[aquart]

24. What makes you think we're not still infiltrated?

[ginnyinWI]

25. a few possible reasons:

1) They are not Dems at all but disrupters

2) They are Dems but are too perfectionist/liberally pure to accept even one fault in a politician.

3) They just like to be angry at the closest target. To them I also say: save it for the Republicans!

[Exiled in America]

26. Because we have real disagreements and we should be honest about them!

I'm going to say something wildly unpopular: fuck the big tent.

The philosophy of the "big tent" party has been taken to mean that we are inclusive to the most wild spectrum of political philosophies, many of which are partially (at best) or fundamentally contradictory to each other.

I'm not talking about situations where two people share 90% of their political views in common but disagree on 10% of things. Of course that is a situation where those two people should work together on their common ground. But I don't believe that is the most common situation we face, especially when it comes to people labeled "democrats" in Washington. There are people calling themselves democrats who absolutely seek to take the party in a direction that I vehemently oppose. I'm not OK with being "inclusive" of these people. They don't stand for the values I believe the democratic party should stand for and has stood for in the past.

Part of the reason why the Democratic Party has been so ineffective is because we have the hardest time setting clear boundaries around what being a Democrat actually means! We try to make it be everything to everybody, and seem to care more about someone with a (D) after their name winning than we care about what they actually stand for. We can not be everything to everyone, and we shouldn't want to be. I would hope that other Democrats would have strong values and core beliefs that are not up for sale and are not open to negotiation. People who don't share those core values and beliefs should find another party. We shouldn't try to continually compromise with everyone to the point where we stand for absolutely nothing.

What do I think the democratic party should be about? Well for starters, go read the Universal Declaration of Human rights. If someone has a problem defending any one of those points, I'd like them to please get the fuck out of my party. The UDHR covers a vast array of issues, but here are some things to supplement that. The Democratic party should maintain its history of political philosophy which maintains that Government should be in the business of providing basic services to its citizens and protection - through genuine regulation and oversight - ordinary people from the amoral machine of business interests.

When I say amoral, note that I didn't say immoral. I am simply pointing out that the primary objective of business interests is the maximization or profit. That goal absolutely needs checks and balances. That goal is often at odds with the health, welfare and security of the American people. There's nothing wrong with that, its just the fact that it isn't in the purview of business interests to worry about such things. It is the GOVERNMENTS job to set the parameters in which business can operate, and those parameters should be determined with primary attention given to the safety, health and welfare of the American people.

Government's primary focuses for its people should be: successful public education, public access to health care, real national defense (that's DEFENSE, not national OFFENSE), worker protections and a guaranteed living wage. And before anyone comes back and tells me how this is an unrealistic pipe dream, I respond that it may be true that no one has found a perfect system yet, but there are sure a whole hell of a lot of countries doing a MUCH better job on MANY of these fronts than we are, so we ought to at the very least start working in this direction. And that is what I believe the Democratic party should stand for.

Now, either I have to leave the party or "they" have to leave the party. But the people who disagree with me on these priorities are not people that I can be reconciled with. These are not mere interesting points of politics - they are moral imperatives. They are right, and they are just. Period. And before a bunch of people come back and start lecturing me about the need to compromise in politics, I respond that I would at least like the compromising to be between my party and THE OTHER PARTY - not my party and other people in my own party who can't get together and agree on what the fuck we actually STAND FOR.

[novalib]

28. "GO ALONG/GET ALONG"

It's all about "GO ALONG to GET ALONG".

The notion seems to be that we have to "make nice" with the LOSERS in the MINORITY in order to "get along"!

IT MAKES ME SICK!!!!!!!!

[AnnInLa]

29. Psychologically speaking,

this is supposed to be normal happenings after a big win....or a big loss. On their side, who to blame, who to blame...what to do to reorganize? On our side, who gets the credit, who gets to lead?

Perfectly normal, and I think, kinda good thing to do....the dust will settle eventually.

[madrchsod]

30. it`s the purity test

they have to pass the "99.44/100% Pure-It Floats" test...this is a what a democratic must be like....






why that must be nancy behind that democratic representative!

[StraightDope]

32. Well, Carville appears to be doing the bidding of the Republicans...

So fuck him. Toss him overboard, and let him wok his machinations across the aisle. We don't need him.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

35. Can't we all just get along?

n/t

[TallahasseeGrannie]

37. Yeah, it's gotten harsh, hasn't it?

Once upon a time Murtha was THE MAN. What the hell did he do?

[MonkeyFunk]

39. Because

there exist chronic malcontents,and even a major victory won't satisfy them. Some people just live to fight.

[AZBlue]

40. They are people who are only happy when they are miserable and

moaning and bitching and fighting and...
Oh, you get the point.

[Kahuna]

41. LOL! Silly wabbit. THAT'S who we are. THAT'S what we do.

:crazy: