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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:46 PM
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James Carville is a corporatist shill who is afraid of Dean and Latin American leftists
CARACAS, Venezuela -- It's the economia, stupid.

Venezuela's embattled private sector is banking on the colorful U.S.
political consultant James Carville to help oust leftist President Hugo
Chavez. The hire may herald an effort by the anti-Chavistas to focus more on
the issues than on personality. According to several individuals with
knowledge of the matter, a group of business executives contracted with Mr.
Carville this year to craft a strategy that will unify a fractious and
frustrated Chavez opposition and resonate with voters in a possiblerecall
referendum. The executives are hoping that Mr. Carville -- the folksy,
59-year-old Democratic Party consultant from Louisiana known as the Ragin'
Cajun -- will push a variation of his "It's the economy, stupid" theme that
helped propel Bill Clinton to victory in 1992.

But analysts say Mr. Carville and his clients face a formidable challenge.
Mr. Chavez has strengthened his hand since surviving a military coup in
April 2002 and defeating a recent two-month national strike led by oil
executives, labor leaders and business organizations. Despite a deepening
economic recession, the business elite here and its middle-class allies are finding it hard to persuade core Chavez supporters in urban slums and the countryside that the president isn't delivering on his populist promises. They have another hurdle to jump in blaming all the country's economic problems on Mr. Chavez after their own ill-starred strike accelerated the economy's slide.

"These business owners are arrogant. They can bring Carville or anyone else,
but they don't stop to understand what everyday life is like for the
people," says Patricia Marquez, an anthropologist and academic director of
the Institute for Higher Administrative Studies, a graduate school of
management here in the capital.

http://www.casavenezuela.org/05persp/articles/economia_stupid.html

You want to know why he attacking Dean so viciously? It's because Dean's strategy worked, and it's scaring big business.

We know that big-wigs on Wall Street do not like Latin America's current crop of leftist leaders because they make it harder for them to exploit poor workers and the resources of those countries for personal profit.

Carville, in my mind, is no friend of the working people at home or abroad.

I also need to say that Venezuela's economy, at current, is one of the fastest growing economies in the world. They say Chavez is bad for the economy because he's a leftist who is against progress, but the simple fact is Chavez' social programs are what is needed to revitalize the nation from years of exploitation.

Thanks to madfloridian for finding this article. I felt that this article deserves its own thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2710072#2710124
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Ned_Devine Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:48 PM
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1. Why is Carville putting himself in the spotlight so much?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:50 PM
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2. And worse than that, he only runs losing campaigns for a long time now.
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:55 PM
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3. Why does Carville get so much credit for Clinton in '92?
That electoral victory begins and ends with that cute little man from Texarkana.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 08:18 PM
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9. I'd say it belongs to the Dem senators and congressmen who kept investigating Poppy
Bush and NEVER LET UP the entire time, exposing IranContra, BCCI, illegal wars in Central America and Iraqgate.

Bush1 had constant bad headlines which finally broke the trust with the American people.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 06:10 PM
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4. your cover is blown carville....take a hike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 06:15 PM
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5. Yeah, he and Clinton's buddy who was head of the DNC have never
Edited on Wed Nov-15-06 06:19 PM by Jon8503
liked Dean & you all remember how they tried like hell to keep him from getting his job.

The republican and the democratic establishment does not like anyone other than the old political hacks to keep the status quo. It is big business to them. Look, do you honestly think Carville and his wife who works for Cheney don't discuss anything. I have always thought that was a little too close. We need Dean and more like him. Hell with him in charge, he is the first to win an election in some time.

Hell, you all will think I am crazy but they talk about what this election was about and I think besides Iraq and corruption, the people want the political hacks out of both parties and they want the fresh grass roots or people that are not in the political corporations like Carville. I am not sure why LaMont did'nt win, but I still think the change people want are different people running politics and Washington, like Dean.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 06:53 PM
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6. Basically, he's a very ambitious yuppie (maybe no longer so young, but...),
Edited on Wed Nov-15-06 07:01 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
with an extraordinary gift of the gab.

I get the impression he yearns very deeply for the kind of "respectability" money buys for those who care for it. To be accepted by everyone who's anyone, kind of thing.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 07:33 PM
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7. Memo: Want to lose political control until the end of time? Endorse Latin American leftists.
I know that various South American nutballs are the sweethearts of many at DU, but the sane members of the American mainstream find them reprehensible. Cindy Shehan hugging Hugo was a real heartwarming moment for some, most people found it repulsive and insane.

So, you may hate Carville for a ton of reasons, but keeping certain Latin American leaders at arm's length is a really good idea -- assuming you like having representatives of your party getting elected to political office.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 08:56 PM
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10. I never said any Dems should endorse Lula, or Chavez, or Evo, or any other
Edited on Wed Nov-15-06 08:57 PM by Selatius
I brought up Latin America for the fact that when it was time to butter the bread, we know which side his bread was buttered, and with respect to Venezuela, his bread was buttered on the same side that attempted a military coup against a popularly elected sitting president, a president overwhelmingly supported by his people, and he again had his bread buttered on the side of those who opposed more social programs that Evo was proposing when he ran and won office as if Evo was the next Joseph Stalin. Then again, they say that about Hugo as well.

The issue is not Chavez or Evo or even Obrador in Mexico.

The issue is what exactly does he stand up for? Why would he have co-horts who are nothing more than greed-soaked industrialists at best to rightwing thugs at worst?

If you have issues with Chavez or Evo or any other, that's fine, but boiling down the issue to "nutballs" isn't really going to change the subject of exactly what Carville stands for. I know he's carrying water for somebody, but I don't think he's carrying it for the poor workers from the impoverished barrios of Latin America to the workers of the decaying Rust Belt in the US who've watched their towns hollowed out by corporate off-shoring of jobs.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 07:33 PM
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8. ... that's intergalactic reptilian corporatist.
:D

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 11:11 PM
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11. Chavez won that Recall by about 60% of the vote! So much for Carville's
political advice.

Note: This article was from 2003. All indicators in Venezuela are now up. With Chavez's leadership, the country recovered from the crippling oil professionals' strike, and all the other crap the Bushites and the rich oil elite have tried to pull.

Venezuela's opposition is ridiculous--and I'm beginning to understand why (I mean besides their being a pampered, privileged rich oil elite apparently with no interest in anything but driving jaguars and drinking lattes). They hired Carville, and took OUR money from the Bushites--in violation of Venezuelan law--and made fools of themselves whining and complaining about the most heavily monitored election on planet earth, with the OAS, the Carter Center and EU election monitoring groups all unanimously declaring the election honest and aboveboard.

The Recall was engineered by the Bush Junta and the oil companies. It was a waste of time and money--but it indicates just who Carville stands with. The Dark Lords, Bushites, global corporate predators. What a disgusting, worthless sack of ambition!

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 11:27 PM
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12. Found another at The Nation. Bolivia
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