About overturning Roe v. Wade

[DancingBear]

Please do not make the mistake of thinking rationally about this. Now, I don't mean that the way it sounds.

George Bush thinks he talks to God. Seriously. George Bush is (literally) psychotic, and a Christian Fundamentalist to the nth degree.

It is HIS DUTY to overturn Roe v. Wade. It has NOTHING to do with political implications. Those are taken care of. Diebold. Redistricting. Alito to uphold the newly minted George W. Bush Rule of Kingdom.

He WILL overturn it. He thinks in no other terms but himself, and his bizarre legacy as it pertains to the kingdom of heaven. Please don't make the mistake of thinking that he will look at how abortion plays politically. He doesn't have to, and when he has his way it won't matter anyway.

[Maat]

1. This is what Esther Kaplan says.

She is an expert on the religious right, and she stated on State of Belief yesterday that, contrary to popular belief, his "faith" really does drive him.

[grace0418]

2. George Bush is NOT a Christian Fundie

He's not religious in the slightest. He's a sociopath and has no concept of right, wrong or anything of the sort. What he knows is how to pander to the least common denominator- the religious right.

That said, I agree he will get Roe v Wade overturned so he can cause rioting in the streets, declare martial law, and name himself King George for life.

[DancingBear]

4. I don't think Christian Fundamentalists are religious either

But in some alternate universe that mocks Carla Faye Tucker DimSon does, and so do the fools that follow him.

[lastliberalintexas]

3. Bush doesn't believe those things

He just pretends to and uses the fundies for the benefit of his corporate buddies. Now I do know a few fundies who really do believe what you wrote...

That said, I do believe Roe will be overturned.

[DancingBear]

7. I think he DOES believe them, like any sociopath believes things

I can't comprehend them, because like all of us here I am capable of rational thought, but like you I think his "beliefs" are a mile wide and an inch deep.

[lastliberalintexas]

10. The Bush family is one of the most secular

of all public families. They rarely if ever attend church, are well known party goers, and only "find" religion when they decide to run for office. They are Yankee, patrician, wealthy blue bloods who would look with disdain on any real fundamentalist.

I'd bet good money that GWB is an athiest or an agnostic, if he ever even thinks of such things. The fundies are just tools that Bush et al are using for the benefit of Halliburton, Exxon, Carlyle...

[Dave Sund]

5. Republicans Do NOT Think of Consequences

So why would anyone believe that overturning Roe is simply an idle threat? This is serious. And while they do away with a woman's right to choose, (or, as they'll try to say, "return the right to the states,") they'll do their best to further erode our civil liberties. It's going to be hell, boys and girls.

[ginnyinWI]

6. but it doesn't end there: what happens next:

This is assuming the Republicans in Congress do nothing to stop * and the courts from overturning Roe v. Wade:

The question gets thrown back to the states, some allowing abortion, some denying it. Women continue to have abortions any way they can, either by travelling to another state or going to shady persons and risking their health. (Before Roe was enacted, women were having one million abortions per year in this country.)
At the same time there is a HUGE outcry from many groups who champion civil rights, rights of privacy, and women's rights. Then it becomes apparent to the public at large what we already know--most people want women to have choice.
Sooner or later choice will be back, and this time stronger than ever--say a Constitutional amendment. No more wedge issue for the GOP. This is one reason they may think twice before overturning Roe. But if they do, choice will still prevail in the end.

We always progress--sometimes it's in fits and starts, but we always move forward at last. FDR said that.

[Bouncy Ball]

8. HA!!! bush is NOT a fundamentalist Christian.

If he is, then I'm a Martian. Or maybe Queen Elizabeth I.

ROFL!

He's got you fooled, doesn't he? You think he gives two shits about Roe v. Wade? Hell. The fundies he owes his soul to do. They care about it. He cares about Wild Turkey and napping and cartoons.

HE cannot overturn it. No matter how much authority he has bald-facedly grabbed in the last five or so years, HE can't overturn it. The Supreme Court can.

They need a case to be brought first. I'm sure it's sitting in the wings.

And he may not need to care how it plays politically but his PARTY still does.

[DancingBear]

11. No - he has EVERYONE on the right fooled

That is the key - this is why I defined him in the OP as a Fundamentalist to the nth degree.

None of us here are fooled, but I will still contend that he is a much a "Christian" as Falwell is. Somewhere in his warped mind he believes he is some kind of bizarre soldier for the lord - WHEN IT IS CONVENIENT. Remember, Hitler was a very religious man, not in the context of normal religion, mind you, but in the context of what made Hitler Hitler.

Same for Bush. What makes him who he is is this crazed component of religion. I'd be much happier if he was just a garden variety sociopath, but when you can use religion in the guise of being religious (and on some level believe it) then you are one sick fuck.

As for his party, hell, he's had them under his thumb for years now. They're too scared to do shit. When he wants it overturned, it will be overturned.

It will then be up to us to stop it.

[Solly Mack]

9. I often wonder why anyone would think the right would be "rational"

about abortion when they haven't been rational about anything.

Americans live in a country where the crimes of a President - lies for war, torture, war profiteering, spying and eroding civil rights (and more) - are debated instead of prosecuted...

and yet people cling to the notion that Bush won't ban abortion? Because the "people" would turn against him? lolololololololololololol


A constituent that can justify torture, illegal wars, and spying can justify any outrage...can accept any outrage. It's really that simple. Look around - the proof is everywhere.

[DancingBear]

12. Give that man a charoot

You, my friend, have nailed it.