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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 05:31 PM
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Baffled by the "sectarian violence" (aka Civil War) in Iraq?
Edited on Fri Nov-17-06 05:31 PM by Tierra_y_Libertad
I've been following a number of Iraqi blogs. One of which suggested this article as an explanation of what's going on there. It's very long, very informative and, seemingly, unbiased. I'm injecting just 4 paragraphs from it, but I encourage all to read it all. At least it gives one perspective that is deeper than the usual sound-bites given us by the media.

http://www.bostonreview.net/BR31.6/rosen.html

In an attempt to limit Muqtada’s power and appease Sunnis, the Americans pressured Prime Minister Ibrahim al Jaafari to step down. He was replaced in May 2006 by Nuri al Maliki, his close friend, but American and British bullying cost them the few Shia allies they had and only convinced Iraq’s Shias that Americans were playing a game of divide and conquer. The debate over Jaafari was framed as Kurds and Sunnis competing with Shias for power. It was one more sectarian battle, fought this time inside the Green Zone. But it was too late for that game because the Americans had long since lost the Sunnis and were continuing to alienate them with daily killings and their protecting with force the Shia-dominated order that they created in April 2003. This American blunder has only pushed Iraq closer to Iran and Syria.

Nuri al Maliki is ideologically at least as extreme as Jaafari, and as committed to preserving the new order. He has already threatened to use “maximum force” against “terrorists,” the code word for Sunnis. Even if Maliki was committed to a national unity government and nonsectarian security forces, and even if the Americans tried to reverse the sectarian trend in Iraq, it is too late. Muqtada’s supporters will not voluntarily relinquish control of the army or the police, and having fought the Americans in the past, many would be eager to fight them again. And who would replace them? There are no nonsectarian Iraqis left, no nonsectarian militia, and no physical space for those rejecting sectarianism. Even secular Sunnis and Shias are embracing sectarian militias because nobody else will protect them. Many even join these groups out of fear, since to refuse is to be disloyal, or perhaps a spy.

Although the Bush administration has criticized the Iraqi government for not disarming the militias—and this is certainly the most important problem facing Iraq, apart from the occupation—this is an untenable first step. The militias exist because there is no security in Iraq. And when the Bush administration criticizes the Iraqi government for being weak, they forget that they deliberately made it weak and dependant on their dictates. The American failure to provide security has led to the militias. The American sectarian approach has created the civil war. We saw Iraqis as Sunnis, Shias, Kurds. We designed a governing council based on a sectarian quota system and ignored Iraqis (not exiled politicians but real Iraqis) who warned us against it. We decided that the Sunnis were the bad guys and the Shias were the good guys. These problems were not timeless. In many ways they are new, and we are responsible for them. The tens of thousands of cleansed Iraqis, the relatives of those killed by the death squads, the sectarian supporters and militias firmly ensconced in the government and its ministries, the Shia refusal to relinquish their long-awaited control over Iraq, the Kurdish commitment to secession, the Sunni harboring of Salafi jihadists—all militate against anything but full-scale civil war.
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Lasthorseman Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 05:40 PM
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1. How many
conflicts and areas of the world do you think the neo-cons studied before they picked Iraq. Did they already have profit margin projections before launching the plans to go to war? Did they study the psychology with focus groups and social engineering experts while laying out plans to shred the Consitution? I bet they did.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 06:04 PM
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4. I bet they don't study shit. These aren't bright people. They hire a few "experts" who only say...
...what the neocons want to hear.
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Lasthorseman Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 08:50 PM
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6. Only the ones you know
have been presented as "incompetent".
US population 300 million
World 6 billion.
In the entire history of the world elite and powerful men have always had the control of their respective populations. Until America, with it's promise of freedom and equality for all.
With their success Americans demanded more and more of the world's resources and in return offered less and less. Soon the global corporations tired of this and decided to convince the Americans that "free trade" would be a great thing. In a period of ten years America did export her jobs, technology, ever her future to offshore countries. The CEO's were happy as they could still make a profit, in fact their profits, well you know that story.
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twilight_sailing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 05:41 PM
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2. Thank you.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 05:51 PM
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3. Good, sound writing
Edited on Fri Nov-17-06 06:01 PM by Kagemusha
Writer knows his stuff.

Edit: I've heard of Nir Rosen before. Good stuff.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 06:11 PM
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5. the people here who need to read this will not do it, unfortunately
They already think they know it all. Doesn't matter what Riverbend or any other Iraqi says. They are too busy shouldering that white man's burden.

I think people are really forgetting an even more direct piece of U.S. intervention in the Shia and Sunni sectarian violence:

U.S. Considers Elite Hit-Squads for Iraq -Report

Jan 8, 2005 09:10 PM ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Pentagon is debating whether to set up elite hit-squads to target leaders of the Iraq insurgency in a new strategy based on tactics used against leftist guerrillas in Central America 20 years ago, Newsweek magazine reported on Saturday.

One proposal would send U.S. Special Forces teams to advise, support and possibly train Iraqi squads of hand-picked Kurdish Peshmerga fighters and Shiite militiamen to target Sunni insurgents and their sympathizers, Newsweek said, citing military insiders familiar with the discussions.

The squads may operate across the border in Syria, Newsweek said on its web site, but added it was unclear whether they would assassinate leaders or be involved in "snatch" operations.

The magazine said the plan is being called "the Salvador option" after strategy instigated during the Reagan administration's battle against the leftist guerrilla insurgency in El Salvador in the early 1980s.

Original link now dead: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=7272484&src=rss/topNews

But this MSNBC piece covers the same ground:

The Salvador Option'
The Pentagon may put Special-Forces-led assassination or kidnapping teams in Iraq
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6802629/site/newsweek
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:35 AM
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9. They will read it but act like they didn't
Not a popular subject. It has to be them Iraqi "savages" doing all the torturing and killing. Just can't be our US trained death squads. Its the 800 pound gorilla in the room right now.

Don
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 01:50 AM
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10. well, maybe if they read it, something will sink in, eventually
That's how I've learned so much every day that I've been here.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 08:58 PM
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7. kicked for more readers
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:28 AM
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8. excellent article!
thanks for posting this.
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