It's not about abortion

[DoYouEverWonder]

the Repugs don't want to overturn Roe v Wade. That's just a show for the fundie base.

The reason why they want Alito so badly is to save their own asses when the time comes.

They need a safe majority on the Supreme Court that will rule in favor of anything King George wants.

They even admitted this during the hearings.

GRAHAM: I guess there's no rule against beating a dead horse, or we'd all have quit a long time ago.

(LAUGHTER)

So in the next 30 minutes, I'm going to ask you the same questions you've been asked for a whole day.

(LAUGHTER)

And I hope you'll understand if any us come before a court and we can't remember Abramoff, you will tend to believe us.

(LAUGHTER)

ALITO: I'm not any kind of a bigot, I'm not.

GRAHAM: No, sir, you're not. And you know why I believe that? Not because you just said it -- but that's a good enough reason, because you seem to be a decent, honorable man. I have got reams of quotes from people who have worked with you, African American judges -- I've lost my quotes.

Judge Higginbotham -- I don't know where they're at. But glowing quotes about who you are, the way you've lived your life; law clerks, men and women, black and white, your colleagues who say that Sam Alito, whether I agree with him or not, is a really good man.

You know why I believe you when you say that you disavow those quotes? Because the way you have lived your life and the way you and your wife are raising your children.

Let me tell you this: Guilt by association is going to drive good men and women away from wanting to sit where you're sitting. And we're going to go through a bit of this ourselves as congressmen and senators.

People are going to take a fact that we got a campaign donation from somebody who's found out to be a little different than we thought they were -- and our political opponent's going to say, "Aha, I got you!"

And we're going to say, "Wait a minute. I didn't know that. I didn't take the money for that reason."

And you know what? I'm going to believe these senators and congressmen for the most part, because that's the way we do our business. We meet people here every day. We have photos taken with people -- and sometimes you wish you didn't have your photo taken.

But that doesn't mean that you're a bad person because of that association.

Judge Alito, I am sorry that you've had to go through this. I am sorry that your family has had to sit here and listen to this.

Now let's talk about another time not so long ago -- and another judge and some of her writings -- and see if the Senate is changing for the better or for the worse.

Turns out that there are at least a few Dems who want the court to rule in their favor when the time comes too.

[Skidmore]

1. It is ALSO about abortion. Are you a male?

It is about my right to my own person, and every other woman's right to her own person. If someone else can own your body, then you have no rights to your self. It is that simple. Get it?

[DoYouEverWonder]

2. No, I'm a she

and all the rich girls will still get abortions and all the poor girls will still have babies because they can't afford them.

[thinkingwoman]

3. and RU486

will fetch a pretty hefty price on the black market.

But you are right about the motive behind Alito...it had nothing to do with abortion and everything to do with saving their asses.

[Skidmore]

4. A lot of those poor girls will also die in illegal abortions.

I lived for 10 years in a country where abortion was punishable by death for the woman. Know what, women still had abortions. Women died also from complications of pregnancies and birth too, leaving children motherless. Women, in that country, also had to have their husbands' permission to travel, to work outside the home, and to get higher educations. Women could not freely divorce and had no rights to their children beyond infancy. For a woman to seek redress in court, she would have to find another female appear on her behalf and also provide testimony since it took the testimony of 2 women to equal the testimony of one male. Women could not marry at will but marriages were arranged. Ever try living without your rights as a female? Might just have too if the religious kooks we have here are allowed free rein.

[Skidmore]

5. Kick, because I'm majorly po'd right now.

[DoYouEverWonder]

13. Illegal abortions are even more expensive

then legal ones. It's still a rich girls only market.

[wiggs]

6. It's about things we can't even imagine yet

It will be about Plame, Abu Ghraib, secrecy in government, Abromhoff, Sibel, abortion, unitary executive, signing statements, environmental protection, torture, etc

And it's also about hundreds of important issues that will come up over the next 25 years. Who knows what they'll be, but we know that on the court, there's going to be a defender of corporatism, abuse of power, and empire.

[Individualist]

9. I sadly agree

Democracy died today. The outrages we've seen thus far from this administration will pale in comparison to what is yet to come.

:scared:

[Skidmore]

11. Yes, democracy did die today. It always dies when you

are willing to sacrifice the rights of part of your population. "When they came for the...."

Yes, they came for women. Who's next?

[Virginia Dare]

7. You are absolutely correct on this...

Abortion is merely the wedge issue that got him there, that is just the dessert, not the main course. Sit back and watch the decisions that come down which do NOT get the media's 24/7 maniacal coverage. Those are the decisions that will screw us for generations.

Individual rights and freedoms are down the toilet, welcome to the new world order.

[Der Blaue Engel]

8. It is about the right to privacy

Kiss it goodbye.

Yes, it is about all that you say as well. But it is absolutely about Roe v. Wade.

I'm so glad I finally got my passport last week...I may need to use it.

[AX10]

10. Many things are at stake here.

[ScreamingMeemie]

12. No, it's about that, and the jettisoning off of all of our rights.

.

[DancingBear]

14. Yes it is

Roe v. Wade will HAVE to go.

Too many promises made. Besides, the Pretend Christian will say God talksed to him again and told him to save the children.

It will be what everyone sees, but what everyone doesn't see is what will be the death sound for democracy.

But make no mistake, Roe v. Wade will be front and center.

It will start with "states rights", then in some TBD fashion King George and Sammy The Enabler will help decide that it must be a federal edict.

"Terrorists love abortions."

Who the fuck knows how they'll do it, but they will.

[Solly Mack]

15. the abortion issue itself isn't even about abortion - it's about

control of women.

Pro-women/pro-choice isn't even about abortion in and of itself - it's about exercising our right - that NO ONE else has a say over(not some god or government or other people), to own our own bodies. The abortion issue isn't about a medical procedure - it's about our liberty - our freedom. The freedom to have a medical procedure is but one aspect of it.

Abortion is the tool the anti-woman crowd uses in hopes of controlling women.

To even attack abortion is to attack the freedom of women. To make it harder for women to obtain an abortion is an attack on the freedom of women.

Alito represents that and so much more.

Republican constituents support torture, illegal wars, disappearing people, spying , and erosion of civil rights (and more) - you really think they'll care if abortion is banned?

They don't care what the government does to people - they've shown that.

Of course Alito is needed to legitimize the crimes of Bush - but that in no way means the right won't ban abortion.

[DoYouEverWonder]

16. That's what its been about for the last 2000 years

Actually longer then that but things got really bad when guys like Paul of Tarsus decided women should not have a roll in the early church. These guys have been in control ever since and have evolved into the modern day big, white, ugly, dominant male Repug.

[Solly Mack]

17. True

and we'll be fighting that mentality for lifetimes to come....but fight we must