BUSH'S NEXT BIG SCANDAL-Missing Presumed Tortured

[kpete]

Missing presumed tortured
Cover story
Stephen Grey
Monday 20th November 2006


More than 7,000 prisoners have been captured in America's war on terror. Just 700 ended up in Guantanamo Bay. Between extraordinary rendition to foreign jails and disappearance into the CIA's "black sites", what happened to the rest? By Stephen Grey


Bush's next big scandal

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......... And the issue of disappearances - of the fate of the missing prisoners held by the CIA and the Pentagon - threatens to become the next big scandal.

It was in early 2002, when the camp at Guantanamo Bay was opening up, that I heard from a source close to the CIA that most of the media were missing the point. As cameras showed images of chained prisoners being wheeled across the base on trolleys, there was predictable outrage. But the source described these images as "the press release".

This was what Washington wanted the world to see. Beyond Cuba was a concealed network of prisons around the globe that were becoming home to thousands more prisoners. The CIA had its own secret facilities, but many more were held in jails run by foreign allies. There are some good operational reasons for keeping the arrest of suspected terrorists secret. Sometimes, in the short term, deception makes good tactical sense; staying quiet about an arrest may keep the enemy guessing. Sometimes it can be for diplomatic reasons: secrecy may help to persuade countries such as Egypt to accept a prisoner.

But why is it so sensitive to confirm what happened to these prisoners, to detail how many were transferred where and when? Why should a country receiving prisoners be so embarrassed? And why - when countries such as Egypt have come clean and said "yes, we received 70 to 80 prisoners rendered by the United States" - will the United States itself not confirm what it did? Despite admitting, in general, that the CIA carries out renditions, the US has yet to own up to a single specific case of transferring a prisoner to foreign custody.

The explanation for the secrecy is one that most of the CIA officers involved in rendition will quite freely admit - a transfer to places such as Egypt or Uzbekistan (a country known for boiling prisoners alive) will inevitably involve torture. And knowingly sending a prisoner to face torture is, under both US and international law, an illegal act. Revealing the fate of the missing prisoners may be just too politically embarrassing.

much, much more:
http://www.newstatesman.com/200611200014

[CatWoman]

1. Jesus

the more I know the more I don't want to know.

Is that an "unknown known"?

[gordianot]

3. Rummy ought to know, he has now created enough known unknown's.

[CatWoman]

4. I love your sig line

:)

[Jackpine Radical]

5. It's either an unknown known or a known unknown, unless

it's one of those pesky unknown unknowns. I just don't know.

[CatWoman]

6. !!!

:rofl:

[gordianot]

2. So many scandals how can one keep track?

Nominated.

[kohodog]

7. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield are war criminals. Will justice be served?

It is up to us. Impeachment may not serve the Democratic Party well, but it is necessary in light oif the constutional crisis they have brought on. If we look the other way for partisan purposes we will not serve our children well. The American people must demand that our leaders be brought to justice if they have committed crimes against humanity. It is not sufficient to let them go free because some pundits believe it would be a political mistake.

[stillcool]

12. I think...

there's way more wrong than can be righted by impeachment.
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Bad Aibling, Germany- Bad Kreuznach, Germany- Bamberg, Germany -
Barksdale AFB, LA - Battle Creek Federal Center, MI - Baumholder, Germany
Beale AFB, CA - Bolling AFB, DC -Brooks AFB, TX -Buckley AFB
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COMFLEACTS Chinhae, South Korea- COMNAVREG (OAHU), HI- Camp Casey, South Korea- Camp Henry, South Korea -Camp Hialeah, South Korea -Camp Humphreys, South Korea- Camp Lejeune, NC -Camp Pendleton, CA -Camp S.D.- Butler, Japan - Camp Zama, Japan -Cannon AFB, NM -Carlisle Barracks, PA- Charles M. Price Support, IL -Charleston AFB, SC -Clear AS, AK -Columbus AFB, MS
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DLI FLC Presidio-Monterey, CA -Darmstadt, Germany -Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ
Defense Depot Susquehanna, PA -Defense Distribution Depot San Joaquin, CA
Defense Supply Ctr Columbus, OH-Defense Supply Ctr Philadelphia, PA
Defense Supply Ctr Richmond, VA -Devens Reserve Training Area, MA
Dover AFB, DE-Dugway Proving Ground, UT -Dyess AFB, TX
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Edwards AFB, CA- Eglin AFB, FL-Eielson AFB, AK- Ellsworth AFB, SD-
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FCTCLANT Dam Neck, VA- FE Warren AFB, WY- FLTACT Sasebo, Japan-
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Fort Richardson, AK- Fort Riley, KS- Fort Rucker, AL- Fort Sam Houston, TX- Fort Sill, OK- Fort Stewart, GA- Fort Story, VA- Fort Wainwright, AK
Friedberg, Germany
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HQ SouthCom, FL- Hanau, Germany -Hanscom AFB, MA- Heidelberg, Germany
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Illesheim, Germany- Incirlik AB, Turkey- Izmir AB, Turkey
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JMF St. Mawgan, UK
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MCAGCC 29 Palms, CA- MCAS Beaufort, SC- MCAS Cherry Point, NC- MCAS Iwakuni, Japan- MCAS Miramar, CA -MCAS New River, NC- MCAS Yuma, AZ -MCBH Kaneohe Bay, HI- MCLB Albany, GA- MCLB Barstow, CA- MCRD Parris Island, SC- MCRD San Diego, CA- MCSA Kansas City, MO- MacDill AFB, FL
Malmstrom AFB, MT- Mannheim, Germany- March ARB, CA- Maxwell-Gunter AFB, AL- McAlester Army Ammo, OK- McChord AFB, WA- McClellan AFB, CA
McConnell AFB, KS- McGuire AFB, NJ- Minot AFB, ND- Misawa AB, Japan
Moody AFB, GA- Mountain Home AFB, ID
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NAB Little Creek, VA- NAES Lakehurst, NJ- NAF Atsugi, Japan- NAS Atlanta, GA- NAS Brunswick, ME- NAS Corpus Christi, TX- NAS Fallon, NV
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NAS Oceana, VA- NAS Patuxent River, MD- NAS Pensacola, FL- NAS Pt. Mugu, CA- NAS Sigonnella, Italy- NAS Whidbey Island, WA
NAS Whiting Field, FL- NATO-Brussels, Belgium- NAVDIST Washington, DC
NB Point Loma, CA- NCBC Gulfport, MS- NCBC Port Heuneme, CA- NCSS Panama City, FL- NS Barking Sands, HI- NS Bremerton, WA- NS Everett, WA
NS Guantanamo Bay, Cuba- NS Ingleside, TX- NS Mayport, FL- NS Newport, RI
NS Norfolk, VA- NS Pascagoula, MS- NS Pearl Harbor- NS Portsmouth, NH
NS Roosevelt Roads, Puerto Rico- NS Rota, Spain- NS San Diego, CA
NSA Bahrain- NSA Gaeta, Italy- NSA La Maddalena, Italy- NSA Mid-South, TN
NSA Naples, Italy- NSA New Orleans, LA- NSA Souda Bay, Greece- NSB Bangor, WA- NSB Kings Bay, GA- NSB New London, CT- NSF Diego Garcia
NSGA Ft. Meade, MD- NSGA Northwest, VA- NSU Saratoga Springs, NY
NSWCDD Dahlgren, VA- NTC Great Lakes, IL- NTTC Corry Station, FL
NWS Charleston, SC- NWS China Lake, CA- NWS Earle, NJ- NWS Yorktown, VA
Naval Forces Marianas, Guam- Naval Post Graduate School, CA- Nellis AFB, NV
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Offutt AFB, NE
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Patrick AFB, FL- Petersen AFB, CO- Picatinny Arsenal, NJ- Pine Bluff Arsenal, AR- Pope AFB, NC
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Quantico, VA
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RAF Lakenheath, UK- RAF Menwith Hill, UK- RAF Mildenhall, UK- RAF Molesworth, UK- Ramstein AB, Germany- Randolph AFB, TX- Red River Army Depot, TX- Redstone Arsenal, AL- Rhein-Main AB, Germany- Robins AFB, GA
Rock Island Arsenal, IL
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SCSC Wallops Island, VA- SHAPE-Chievres, Belgium- Schinnen, Netherlands
Schofield/Shafter, HI- Schriever AFB, CO- Schweinfurt, Germany- Scott AFB, IL- Seymour Johnson AFB, NC- Shaw AFB, SC- Sheppard AFB, TX
Soldier Systems Center, MA- Spangdahlem AB, Germany- Stuttgart, Germany
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Tinker AFB, OK- Tobyhanna Army Depot, PA- Tooele Army Depot, UT- Torii Station, Japan- Travis AFB, CA- Tyndall AFB, FL
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US Army Europe, Germany- US Army Recruiting Command, KY- US Mil Training Mission, Saudi Arabia- US Naval Academy, MD- US Naval Activities, London UK- USAF Academy, CO- USCG Elizabeth City, NC- USCG Hampton Roads, VA
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USCG TRACEN Petaluma, CA- USMA West Point, NY
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Vance AFB, OK- Vandenberg AFB, CA- Vicenza, Italy- Vilseck, Germany
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Walter Reed Army Medical Center, DC- Watervliet Arsenal, NY- White Sands Missile Range, NM- Whiteman AFB, MO- Wiesbaden/Mainz, Germany- Wright-Patterson AFB, OH- Wuerzburg, Germany
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Yokosuka,Japan- YokotaAB,Japan- Yongsan,Korea -Yuma Proving Ground,AZ

[liberalla]

13. I appreciate your post with all the links!

Great info - I will be reading and bookmarking...
Thanks again!

[solara]

16. Damn, what a sinister nightmare...

Thank you for researching and posting this. The NWO is much easier to comprehend when it is laid out like this in all of its insane satanic glory.

[williesgirl]

8. k&r

[pnorman]

9. I had no idea that the "missing" numbers were so high!

n/t

pnorman

[hedgehog]

10. It's like the numbers of people killed during and after Katrina.

We hear about a few here and a few there, and few ever realize how the numbers add up.

[WinkyDink]

18. Yes, THAT story has vanished, has it not? Are people still in guarded

camps?

[enid602]

11. disappeared

This is becoming like the 'desaparecidos' of the '70's Argentine dictatorship.

[malaise]

15. Bingo

and Chile and Central America. Kissinger, Negroponte, GHWB and the gang are working overtime.

[snot]

14. K & R -- bigtime! -- nt

[Solly Mack]

17. "politically embarrassing"??????? Sheesh

"Look Ma, I'm embarrassed!"

Would just hate for government to suffer from political embarrassment because of war crimes. Why, it might just ruin America's image! And everyone knows image is what matters...

[DemonFighterLives]

19. This is pure Evil

Let's hope America can delouse.

[moodforaday]

20. k&r (nt)

[bamacrat]

21. Could something like this be the straw that broke the camels back.

And mark the end of our place as the modern Rome?

[stepnw1f]

22. Bushs Actions Represent Evil

There is nothing logical or good about this sick man's policies.

[LibertyorDeath]

23. places such as Uzbekistan (a country known for boiling prisoners alive)

Six weeks after Craig Murray started his job as British ambassador to Uzbekistan in 2002, a packet of photos landed on his desk. Inside were pictures a mother had taken of her son’s mutilated corpse. The young man, a political prisoner accused of having ties to radical Islam, had been tortured, beaten and immersed in boiling water.

“And,” Murray recently told an audience at the University of Chicago, “when that guy was boiled to death, you paid to heat the water.” He was referring to the $500 million in U.S. aid given to the Uzbeks in 2002.

Q. “Murder in Samarkand” refers to an actual event, right?

A. Yes. I was having a talk over dinner with this professor and dissident in Samarkand one night, and while we were having dinner, his grandson was abducted off the street, tortured and, at about 4 o’clock in the morning, dumped on the doorstep. I was subsequently told by the Russian ambassador that it had been done by the Uzbek authorities as a message for me to stop meeting with dissidents.

Q. Do you think transporting suspects to countries where other nationals can interrogate them using torture is still going on?

A. I have no reason at all to think the policy has changed. But being much more careful about touching down in Europe with prisoners onboard, because of all the fuss in Europe and the investigations going on.

More...http://polizeros.com/category/uzbekistan-torture/page/2/



Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld Visits Uzbekistan

Defense Secretary Thanks 'Stalwart' Uzbekistan for Support in War on Terror

By John D. Banusiewicz
American Forces Press Service

TASHKENT, Uzbekistan, Feb. 24, 2004 – Expressing America's gratitude for Uzbekistan's help in the war on terror, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld met here today with key leaders of this former Soviet republic.

Rumsfeld arrived this afternoon from Kuwait, and met with President Islam Karimov and Defense Minister Kodir Ghulomov to discuss what the secretary described as a wide range of military, political and economic issues.

A senior defense official told reporters traveling with Rumsfeld that the United States has about 1,000 military people and some contractors in Uzbekistan working on support operations and humanitarian missions at Karshi- Khanabad, known as "K2." Service members populate Camp Stronghold Freedom and an airfield there in support of Operation Enduring Freedom.

At a news conference following his meetings with the Uzbek leaders, Rumsfeld said the United States and Uzbekistan have a framework of a strategic partnership with military-to-military relationships, and look forward to strengthening political and economic relationships between the countries. The secretary cited Uzbekistan's participation in NATO's "partnership for Peace" program as part of the path toward that stronger relationship.

more http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Feb2004/n02242004_200402244.html

[ProgressiveEconomist]

24. 'Terrorist'=Trafficked to the US for a $78k bounty (Pakistani equivalent

equivalent of $5,000 US)'?

Would knowing about huge money incentives for mislabeling people as 'terrorists', and about hundreds of 'terrorists' already released from Guantanamo because it was decided they had been falsely arrested, change any minds about torturing 'terrorists'? Are up to 86 percent of those at Guantanamo Muslim minorities ethnically cleansed by their Pakistani neighbors?

A news story based on an Amnesty International press release (at http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGASA330382006 ) says,

"The road to Guantanamo very literally starts in Pakistan," said Amnesty's Claudio Cordone, commenting on the report. "Hundreds of people have been picked up in mass arrests, many have been sold to the USA as 'terrorists' simply on the word of their captor, and hundreds have been transferred to Guantanamo Bay, Bagram Airbase (a US base in Afghanistan) or secret detention centres run by the USA," he said....

"A large number of war on terror detainees have been literally sold into US hands by bounty hunters who have received cash payments in return, typically $US5000 ... ," it said....

The report said that 300 people - previously labelled as "terrorists" and "killers" by the US government - have since been released from Guantanamo Bay without charge, the majority to Pakistan or Afghanistan. "Many detainees remain unaccounted for, their fate and whereabouts unknown," it said, saying they include a baby and a 13-year-old Saudi boy called Talha, according to reports. "More than two years later, nothing is known about the fate and whereabouts of Talha and the other children and women," said Amnesty."

More: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20496534-1702,00.html

[ProgressiveEconomist]

25. 92% of Guantanamo detainees are NOT al-Qaeda fighters,

according to US military 'combatant status review tribunal' records, says a Seton Hall University law professor who analyzed those records and a pro-bono attorney representing Guantanamo detainees:

From http://www.jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2006/03/adels-anniversary-guantanamo-tale.php

"March 9, 2006 FORUM: Op-eds on legal news by law professors and JURIST special guests...

Adel's Anniversary: A Guantanamo Tale

JURIST Special Guest Columnist P. Sabin Willett, a partner at Bingham McCutchen, LLP, working pro bono with a team of Bingham lawyers in the Guantanamo habeas litigation:

Vice President Dick Cheney says, "The people that are there (at Guantanamo) are people we picked up on the battlefield, primarily in Afghanistan. They're terrorists. They're bomb makers. They're facilitators of terror. They're members of Al Qaeda and the Taliban."... Last month, Seton Hall Law Professor Mark Denbeaux published a study analyzing the Military's own 'combatant status review tribunal' records. He ignored what we lawyers say, and relied exclusively on military allegations. Here's what he found. The Vice President says they men are Al Qaeda fighters. What does the military say? EIGHT PERCENT ARE AL QAEDA FIGHTERS. NINETY TWO PERCENT ARE NOT. The Vice President says these men were picked up on the battlefield. The military data show that five percent were picked up on the battlefield. How did we get the others? US forces distributed leaflets. One says, in Pashto:

'Get wealth and power beyond your dreams! You can receive millions of dollars helping the anti-Taliban forces catch al-Qaida and Taliban murderers. This is enough money to take care of your family, your village, your tribe for the rest of your life. Pay for livestock and doctors and school books and housing for all your people.'

Eighty-six percent were sold to us by people who got the leaflets. Vice President Cheney says they committed hostile acts against Americans or their allies. What do the data show? Fifty-five percent of the detainees committed no hostile act against the US or its allies or any one else. By the way, wearing a Casio watch is a "hostile act." So is fleeing from US bombing.

Who's at Guantanamo? Privates, orphans, the poor, conscripts, cooks, drivers, persons who "associated with the Taliban" by inhabiting its prisons as enemies of its regime. The Taliban generals aren't there. Some are busy in the Afghan parliament we helped construct. A former Taliban spokesman isn't there either. He's a freshman at Yale. The central lie of Guantanamo is the whopper: that as a general proposition it holds terrorists. The President, the Vice President, their amen chorus in Congress tell us so relentlessly. But if one searches the military's findings for an act of violence against persons or property, for bombing or bombmaking or the teaching of bombmaking or planning or conspiring for it, fundraising, cheerleading -- anything -- when one searches hundreds and hundreds of military records, one finds that this is, most of all, who isn't at Guantanamo."

A download page for a pdf copy of the full analysis of 'combatant status review tribunal' data is at http://law.shu.edu/guantanamoteachin/page2.htm