5 years on DU and I've never seen anything like this.....

[trumad]

Wow! Today is a watershed event. I don't think the Dem party will ever be the same.

[seabeyond]

1. hm..... huge statement. not much context n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

5. It's right in front of you.

[boston bean]

2. I think you are correct! it will never be the same! nt

[Taoschick]

17. Right.

I heard that after the 2000 and 2004 elections as well. After 6 years, I expect just a little more from the leadership than pointless posturing. Obama is right. We did NOT make our case to the American people. No one here needs convincing but there are a whole lot of voters who do.

[AntiFascist]

24. Welcome to DU Taoschick...

We need to work on developing an alternative media that most Americans might notice. The Young Turks net broadcast was a valiant effort, but probably preaching to the choir.

[acmavm]

3. This was of national importance as well as being a nomination that

will affect all of us for a very long time. Maybe we need this anger. We have to do something to take back the party. Make it stand for something.

[cry baby]

4. I think the Dem party will never be the same because the

grassroots mobilized and the bloggers made a huge difference. I think it's a good change.

Trumad, how do you think the party faired today?

[bilgewaterbill]

11. The Bloggers mobilized but we were ignored!

The party will never be the same because they ignored us and our support will never be the same.

[seabeyond]

15. 25 people didnt ignore us. not all or nothing. there is stuff in the

middle.ignored my ass. lots and lots listened to us. my gosh what the bloggers accomplished. i listened to young turks for three days, early morning until late late night. first thing the started talking baout once it was done and they experienced their disappointment was.... what did we do wrong. what could we have done better. and they startedbrainstorming. taking notes for next time.

[bilgewaterbill]

18. It's not us, man. We worked our asses off. Faxing and calling and

e-mailing and blogging. The young turks were filibustering and we were talking. THEY WEREN'T LISTENING! They were afraid to take a stand. Now it has to cost them. Not one more dime to those who voted for cloture!

[seabeyond]

19. quit saying they as in no one listened. NOT true. and lessens all

of us that did all that stuff. 25 listened. we changed a lot of minds. dont dismiss it as if we DIDNT accomplish anything. we did.

[seabeyond]

20. and, lets set up two we go after in 2006 so they hear our wrath.

i say leiberman and cantwell. i think young turks will go for those two picks also. THEY will listen to us some more. look how we got hackett in a real battle in very red ohio. you are selling all us short, no fuckin way

[bilgewaterbill]

22. You keep thinking of this as an attack on our "accomplishment"

It's not! I'm sick of those who think we have nowhere else to go taking us for granted. 25 listened. They're not who I'm talking about. It's the 17 turncoats who ignored us and had no intention of listening to us. I'm sick of lip service and open palms at election time. SICK OF IT!

[seabeyond]

23. first post identifying 17..... not all of them

that is all.

on edit: i thought it was 19 dems. could be wrong. jsut the number i am remembering. what you to be pissed at the right numbers, grinnin

[bilgewaterbill]

29. You're right. It was 19. Now I'm REALLY pissed! ;)

[seabeyond]

31. lol lol. k... hey, i hear ya n/t

[wisteria]

32. I've written all 19 and told them they demonstrated no leadership

today and sold out the American people. There vote today will not be forgotten.

[bilgewaterbill]

33. Nor rewarded. nt

[Laelth]

34. I thought it was 18. ?

I'm encouraging an INVASION of the Republican party. Let's send them our DINOs and run some real Democrats against them.

More here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x277934

-Laelth

[bilgewaterbill]

Real Democrats. Has a nice sound doesn't it?

[bilgewaterbill]

36. Real Democrats. Has a nice sound doesn't it?

[GreenArrow]

16. 'tain't nothin' new

There was intense mobilization against the Iraq War, and that got nowhere. This is just more of the same shit. These people don't work for the people, and they haven't for a long time.

[Wordie]

25. A majority of Democrats responded to what we asked of them.

Even though it was risky - that "obstructionist" label could not have been comfortable for them - they risked it anyway. That's impressive, in my book.

[bilgewaterbill]

26. This was THE app't to the SC.

If they weren't ready to lay it on the line for this, nothing will be important enough for them.

[lyonn]

39. Disagree Wordie, the Dems that voted for cloture

just told everyone that they would rather, for whatever reason, vote for a SC nominee that proved to be for more power to the pres., corps., and fewer rights for the ordinary people. Apparently they didn't vote the way their constituents wanted since their constituents were probably democrats.

[cry baby]

35. Last week nobody was talking about a filibuster.

We pressured, screamed, threatened, begged, and broke our backs to make them hear our voices...and they heard them.

They didn't ignore us, some of them have been too used to being self-serving. I think we made an impression.

[bilgewaterbill]

38. This was THE most important SC appointment in 20 yrs.!

It will change the face of the court for a generation. We shouldn't have had to scream this loud for 25 votes.

[cry baby]

42. I am not an idiot, I know it was important.

We will need to fight hard to win the white house so upcoming vacancies in the court can be filled by us. It just isn't the end of the world unless you want it to be.

Americans have been apathetic about what their representatives in government have been doing. The politicians aren't used to so many people waking up all at once. That awakening is because of the internet, blogs and message boards like ours. That awakening isn't growing smaller, it's growing larger by leaps and bounds. I dare say that politics may never be the same ever again because of an informed electorate that is ever-growing.

Stop selling us short - and you never answered my question...what are you going to do for the many courageous dems that do represent us?

You have been here at DU a long time, and I sincerely hope you decide not to leave us or leave the party. Fight like you always have to make it better. You really have no choice, it's obviously in your nature.

[lastliberalintexas]

45. Winning the WH or Congress won't matter

now that the Roberts Court can reshape our laws for at least the next generation. I don't see why that is so hard for people to understand.

No, I am not saying that we should just give up. But today was a watershed event in American politics and law, the most important vote that these Senators have ever made or will make unless Bush gets to replace Stevens (heaven help us). Winning the WH and Congress will not change that, and we need to understand the ramifications of this vote so that we are prepared for them.

[cry baby]

46. goddamn, why don't we just go fucking hang ourselves...

the world is over!

[lastliberalintexas]

47. Saying that we need to understand and be prepared means hanging ourselves?

Um, ok...

[cry baby]

49. "winning the wh or congress won't matter..."

sounds like our lives are over to me...

[lastliberalintexas]

55. No, but we will have to refocus our energies

We have an uphill battle at the federal level for the next generation because of the Roberts Court. So does that mean we give up? No, and I think I said that in my first post.

But what it does mean is that we have to understand the impact of the Roberts Court and act accordingly to circumvent it to the extent possible. We need to take our fights back to the states and local races, because they are going to be more important now than ever.

[cry baby]

57. That makes sense...

and I totally agree!

You said it before in overdramatic terms. What we do together in the coming years does matter, whether or not we have Alito and Roberts on the court. The efforts we make together matter all the more because of that fact. I know you agree - what we do matters...whether or not we win every battle. We are not irrelevent.

[bilgewaterbill]

48. I must've missed that question.

Your answer, though, is I will continue to support those who uphold their promises. I now know who those people are.

[cry baby]

50. that makes sense...

broadbrushing all dems as cowards doesn't.

[bilgewaterbill]

51. I must've missed that, too. Maybe you could show me where I did that.

[cry baby]

52. your post #18, you said they were afraid...

but I think I see now that you weren't broadbrushing - you were talking about the UnDems that voted for cloture - is that right?

[JDPriestly]

41. Don't be discouraged.

We are challenging over 200 years of party politics that ignores the grassroots. We are the people. We are the grassroots. Only 25 of the Senators recognized us for what we are. Next time, it will be 30 and after that 35 until the majority of the members of the Senate listen to us and not to the polls. The polls mean nothing. They count people who don't vote and don't care. And they ask the wrong questions. People like us, people who care and who are not cynical= will govern the country one of these days. It's just a matter of time. Just you wait and see. Don't lose the faith.

[bilgewaterbill]

43. I'm not discouraged. I'm focused. The light of truth has been shown

on the turncoats. We have to clean house before we'll get anywhere. It's like what my 49'ers are doing. Starting over. Get on the bus or get run over by it!

[tsuki]

6. I understand what you are saying, and you are correct.

[ScreamingMeemie]

7. I don't think it has dawned on them yet how badly they are going to

pay for this travesty.

[enid602]

10. intensity

And can you imagine how things might change if the same intensity were to be shown with regard to ending Iraq, avoiding Iran, impeachment, election fraud, republican scandals, etc. It might be a little harder for Bush to sweep things under the rug now.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

13. I hope to all that they hold sacred (whatever that is)

that it does dawn on them...But I'm not sure it ever will. They'll keep on keeping on...without me, since I don't matter to them.

I'm not mad at the entire party just those who decided I, once again, was a second class member.

If there is honestly progressive female candidate out there, I'm yours. Hell, any honestly progressive candidate, call me. I'm looking for someone.

[Inland]

8. I don't think the Dem party will ever be a party. Just saying. nt

[BlueManDude]

9. Isn't it really the way thay lost that is dispiriting?

Total disorgnization. No killer instinct. Bad strategy. Mamby pamby handwringing. The only conclusion you can reach is the GOP just cares more than the Dems do.

Let's face it - most of them are only concerned with getting re-elected.

[Gregorian]

12. But look at how much we've learned in five years.

It's amazing. We uncovered mostly everything they threw in our path. In 1999, I knew absolutely nothing about politics. I just knew that Bush was poisonous. And the work began.

This IS a lifetime appointment. And that makes it pretty scary. We shall see. One thing I've learned about politics is that it is never over.

[mmonk]

14. Nope and neither

will our country for awhile.

[meisje]

21. Look at the bright side, we still have 5mil in the bank

enough to run 1 or 2 ads this election:hide:

[Justice Is Comin]

54. That thing always looks to me like a stack of tires, lol.

[Nothing Without Hope]

27. Exactly. I think this is well expressed by Jane Hamsher's piece today at

firedoglake:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x277470
thread title (1-30-06 GD-Alito): Jame Hamsher speaks for me re this historic Dem turning point over Alito:

And don't miss the Plaid Adder's passionate post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x274742
thread title (1-30-06 GD-Alito): No Regrets, No Tears, No Fucking Quarter.

[bigwillq]

28. A sad day indeed.

:( :cry:

But I'm just as pissed off at the spineless DEMS who voted for Alito and against the filibuster then I am at the pukes who are probably celebrating right now. :mad:

[wisteria]

30. Agree, we need to have it out. I am tired of being told we need to

be just like the Republicans in order to get elected.

[understandinglife]

37. Correct. The "Dem Party" will never be the same because "We the People ...

... are making some major changes to it. It is going to be an accountable, robust, intelligent, caring, Party that comprehensively focuses on civil rights of EVERY American and the rule of law in EVERY interaction, domestic and foreign.


Peace.

[fooj]

44. Yes, indeed.

Peace.

[upi402]

40. It never SHOULD be the same.

5 years! Wow, I've only been e-debating for 4 years. You are a veteran hand here for sure.
I've been an activist for decades, however, before life constrained me to the net and donations.

[ChipsAhoy]

53. This is WORSE than 2000 or 2004 - Alito for LIFE!

I didn't know I could feel worse than I did in 2000 and 2004. The reason is that I know the Supreme Court is going to be tainted as long as I live. Bush will be out of office and back on the damn range -- but Alito will STILL be on the highest court in the land. I'm SO SCARED of what happens next.

[jn2375]

56. you got that right, our dear Dem Reps have no idea the world of

shit their in!