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nolies32fouettes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 09:50 AM
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Iraq, War Crimes...MUST READ what the International Community says.
Edited on Wed Nov-22-06 10:02 AM by nolies32fouettes
http://www.progressiveu.org/015329-splitting-of-iraq-war-crimes-talk-of-the-international-community

I found this incredible article. It's posted at my blog. Can someone please copy the first 4 paragraphs and post in a comment, please.

Hattip to The_Warmth for grabbing the first 4 paragraphs for me.

First 4 paragraphs:

...The insurgency continues unabated. The spectre of civil war looms. Some senior U.S. administration officials and political pundits have been advocating the carving up of Iraq into three states before the final withdrawal. This idea seems to have the support of only the two Kurdish parties represented in the government in Baghdad. The Sunnis as well as the big Shia parties are against the idea. So also are Iraq's neighbours and the Arab world.

Turkey's Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul has warned that his country would under no circumstances allow the creation of an independent Kurdish state. Turkey is particularly upset at what it sees as U.S. abetment of Kurdish plans to take over the key oil city of Kirkuk. The majority in Kirkuk today consists of Arabs and Turkmen. An independent Kurdish state is anathema to Iran and Syria, which also have sizable Kurdish populations. The U.S. invasion of Iraq has given a new impetus to Kurdish separatism.

Leon Panetta, a member of the high-powered "Iraq Study Group", told the media that the situation in Iraq is "even worse than we thought". The group, comprising former Secretary of State James Baker and confidants of Bush Sr., was approved by Bush in March to recommend new options for the war in Iraq. Former Congressman Lee Hamilton heads the "bipartisan" group.

The Bush administration, while retaining its hard-line stance on Iran's nuclear programme, has indicated that it is not averse to seeking Teheran's help in finding a solution to the problem in Iraq. Teheran, reflective of its new-found confidence, has said that it would only talk to Washington if there were a general change in attitude towards Iran in the White House. British Prime Minister Tony Blair also seems to be distancing himself from his old friend, Bush, by suggesting that the U.S. should engage Iran and Syria in finding a solution to the problems in Iraq, Palestine and Lebanon. Senator Carl Levin, a Democrat who is tipped to be the next chairman of the Senate Armed Forces Committee, said that the Bush administration should realise that the U.S. is "getting deeper and deeper into a hole" in Iraq.


Read the whole article at the link. It's long but very, very detailed.
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nolies32fouettes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 09:55 AM
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1. I can't copy the 4 paragraphs because there is something
on the page preventing me from being able to copy.
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The_Warmth Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 09:56 AM
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2. Here they are =)
...The insurgency continues unabated. The spectre of civil war looms. Some senior U.S. administration officials and political pundits have been advocating the carving up of Iraq into three states before the final withdrawal. This idea seems to have the support of only the two Kurdish parties represented in the government in Baghdad. The Sunnis as well as the big Shia parties are against the idea. So also are Iraq's neighbours and the Arab world.

Turkey's Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul has warned that his country would under no circumstances allow the creation of an independent Kurdish state. Turkey is particularly upset at what it sees as U.S. abetment of Kurdish plans to take over the key oil city of Kirkuk. The majority in Kirkuk today consists of Arabs and Turkmen. An independent Kurdish state is anathema to Iran and Syria, which also have sizable Kurdish populations. The U.S. invasion of Iraq has given a new impetus to Kurdish separatism.

Leon Panetta, a member of the high-powered "Iraq Study Group", told the media that the situation in Iraq is "even worse than we thought". The group, comprising former Secretary of State James Baker and confidants of Bush Sr., was approved by Bush in March to recommend new options for the war in Iraq. Former Congressman Lee Hamilton heads the "bipartisan" group.

The Bush administration, while retaining its hard-line stance on Iran's nuclear programme, has indicated that it is not averse to seeking Teheran's help in finding a solution to the problem in Iraq. Teheran, reflective of its new-found confidence, has said that it would only talk to Washington if there were a general change in attitude towards Iran in the White House. British Prime Minister Tony Blair also seems to be distancing himself from his old friend, Bush, by suggesting that the U.S. should engage Iran and Syria in finding a solution to the problems in Iraq, Palestine and Lebanon. Senator Carl Levin, a Democrat who is tipped to be the next chairman of the Senate Armed Forces Committee, said that the Bush administration should realise that the U.S. is "getting deeper and deeper into a hole" in Iraq.
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nolies32fouettes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 10:00 AM
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3. Thank you so much! It really is a GREAT ARticle.
(that I linked to.)
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 10:28 AM
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6. ...
love the rant.
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 10:05 AM
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4. Here you go.
You have to be sneaky and start copying it from the bottom. lol
I also snipped it for the war crimes paragraphs at the bottom.
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Splitting of Iraq? War Crimes? talk of the international community...

Great article! A hint of what they're saying internationally about us.

(I tried to snip it up and pull out what I can without violating any copyright laws. But go to the link and read all of it! John Cherian shows such precise and irrefutable knowledge of the whole thing.)

Here's Cherian's key points:

...The insurgency continues unabated. The spectre of civil war looms. Some senior U.S. administration officials and political pundits have been advocating the carving up of Iraq into three states before the final withdrawal. This idea seems to have the support of only the two Kurdish parties represented in the government in Baghdad. The Sunnis as well as the big Shia parties are against the idea. So also are Iraq's neighbours and the Arab world.

<snip>
...Rumsfeld, while resigning, still insisted that the Iraq war was a winnable one and that very few people understood its real nature. A few days after his resignation, a court in Germany prepared to hear a lawsuit charging him and other senior officials, including former Central Intelligence Agency Director George Tenet, with having played a role in the abuses in the Abu Ghraib prison and elsewhere. The plaintiffs are 11 Iraqis and a Saudi, who said that U.S. interrogators tortured them. The lawyers for the plaintiffs said that Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, the U.S. military commander of Iraqi prisons at the time, will testify on their behalf. German law provides "universal jurisdiction", which allows for the prosecution of war crimes that have taken place anywhere in the world. In the first week of November, to coincide with the elections, hundreds of U.S. troops serving in Iraq signed a petition calling for withdrawal. The petition, to be submitted to the U.S. Congress in January, states: "As a patriotic American proud to serve the nation in uniform, I respectfully urge my political leaders in Congress to support the prompt withdrawal of all the American military forces and bases from Iraq.".

Another report prepared by the U.S. Defence Department for the U.S. Congress in August states that "conditions that could lead to civil war exist in Iraq". It notes that the "coalition forces" were the targets of 63 per cent of attacks and reveals that 6,000 Iraqi policemen have been killed since the U.S. occupation of Iraq in the beginning of 2003. The report said that 20 per cent of policemen who had joined the force were quitting every year and more than 40 per cent were absent from duty. According to the report, Baghdad's central morgue is seeing a big increase in the number of bodies since July. In the second week of November, it received 60 bodies every day. There are reports in the media that the morgue has run out of space as bodies of murdered and tortured Iraqis pile up by the hour.

The British medical journal, Lancet, in an article published in October, estimated that 2 to 3 per cent of the Iraqi population may have been wiped out since the U.S. invasion. More than a million Iraqis have been displaced since 2003. Iraqi Health Minister Ali al-Shemari said that more than 150,000 Iraqis have been killed since the U.S. occupation started. Lancet has given the figure of Iraqis killed as 655,000.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 10:08 AM
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5. Good article.
thanks for posting.
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