Poppy Bush warned FBI -- AFTER -- JFK assassinated.

[Octafish]

In the hour of the death of President John F. Kennedy, Texas oilman George Herbert Walker Bush named a suspect to the FBI in a "confidential" phone call. He then added he was heading for Dallas. Skeptics need not take my word for it, that's what Poppy told the FBI:



Here's a transcript of the text:

TO: SAC, HOUSTON DATE: 11-22-63

FROM: SA GRAHAM W. KITCHEL

SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECT;
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY

At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

# # #

Gee. Why was Poppy Bush in Dallas when JFK was assassinated?

Could it be, he was on official business? I suspect he was on Secret Government business. After all, his eldest son bragged during his Texas Air National Guard and Harvard grad school days that his daddy was CIA.

Here's an FBI document from the same week of the assassination in which FBI Director J Edgar Hoover briefed one "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency." Some strange coincidence there, wot?



Here's a transcript of the above:

Date: November 29, 1963

To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State

From: John Edgar Hoover, Director

Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
NOVEMBER 22, 1963

Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U. S. policy, which is not true.

Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U. S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau.

# # #

I do remember that GHWB was head of the CIA when the Church Committee was looking into the CIA assassination programs. He made things all friendly-like and turned what had been a serious hunt for truth under previous DCI Colby into another dog-and-pony show that was big on show and light on facts.

Regarding Dallas: Now I don't know if Poppy was a trigger man, was only there to watch what happened or what just happened to be there. I do know Poppy Bush has never explained these memos. He's never even admitted where he was the day JFK was killed.



Seeing how he would go on to become President, as would his dim son, I believe it's vitally important that we learn the Truth.

Why? The United States and the world haven't been the same since November 22, 1963. And not a single major player in the nation's mass media have stepped up and demanded a real investigation. So, it's up to us, We the People.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

1. Video - JFKII - The Bush Connection

http://cgi.ebay.com/Soligor-Spot-sensor-exposure-meter-no-reserve_W0QQitemZ140053466355QQihZ004QQcategoryZ88669QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[proud2BlibKansan]

22. Your link is to an ebay item?

What am I missing?

[Octafish]

24. This might be it...

...This program does a nice job of putting things into a 90-minute video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9137354720737304741&q=jfk

[Gloria]

41. Just finished watching this video....it's pretty chilling.......

Recommended. Heartily.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

33. Yikes! So sorry! The link provided to you from the other poster is correct.

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. I am watching it now

It is fascinating. Thanks!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

51. Your welcome! I have it on DVD and we were all riveted here and its amazing

how puzzle pieces fit together.

[marmar]

2. I wouldn't be surprised....

:think: This family is like an Old Testament-esque plague on the country.

[driver8]

15. That is a perfect description...

Everything "the family" touches turns to shit for Americans and turns to gold for The Bush crime family and their cronies.

Can't we send them to Paraguay, now??

[KansDem]

75. Yeah, send them to Paraguay via The Hague.

Works for me...

[Octafish]

26. No enemy of the United States has caused this nation more harm than the BFEE.

From looting the Treasury to forcing the middle class into bankruptcy to starting illegal wars to turning their backs on threats to America, the Bushes have been nothing more than a curse on the nation.

And they're not the worst. Whoever they are working for are the really worst turds.

[TheUnspeakable]

44. Happy Thanksgiving Octafish!

On this day, I am thankful for the "internets" and people like you. To all who read this thread,
as you share this day with friends and family, try to gently get this message out (without starting a fight, of course)
No enemy of the United States has caused this nation more harm than the BFEE They will probably never pay for their crimes, but at the very least, we may never have to hear the words "president Jenna Bush stated today..."

[Octafish]

64. Hi JennasLiver! Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!

And a hearty "thank you" to you. Our virtual friends have made friends with people who work to make a difference.

Wait till Congress starts finding out what the Bush Crime Family did overseas they planned to do at home.

Detention and Torture Centers, f'r instance:

Senate Democrats Revive Demand for Classified Data

By DAVID JOHNSTON
NYT November 24, 2006

WASHINGTON, Nov. 23 — Seeking information about detention of terrorism suspects, abuse of detainees and government secrecy, Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee are reviving dozens of demands for classified documents that until now have been rebuffed or ignored by the Justice Department and other agencies.

“I expect real answers, or we’ll have testimony under oath until we get them,” Senator Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, who will head the committee beginning in January, said in an interview this week. “We’re entitled to know these answers, and in many instances we don’t get them because people are hiding their mistakes. And that’s no excuse.”

Mr. Leahy, who has said little about his plans for the committee, expressed hope for greater cooperation from the Bush administration, which he described as having been “obsessively secretive.” His aides have identified more than 65 requests he has made to the Justice Department or other agencies in recent years that have been rejected or permitted to languish without reply.

Now that they are about to control Congress, what he and other Democrats regard as a record of unresponsiveness has energized their renewal of longstanding requests for information about some of the administration’s most hidden and fiercely debated operations. In addition, other such requests by committee members deal with subjects like voter fraud, immigration and background inquiries on Supreme Court nominees.

SNIP...

One document is a directive, signed by President Bush shortly after the September 2001 attacks, that granted the C.I.A. authority to set up detention centers outside the United States and outlined allowable interrogation procedures.

The second is a memorandum, written by the Office of Legal Counsel at the Justice Department in 2002, that is thought to have given the C.I.A. specific legal advice about interrogation methods that would not violate a federal statute on torture.

SNIP...

“The American people,” Mr. Leahy’s letter said, “deserve to have detailed and accurate information about the role of the Bush administration in developing the interrogation policies and practices that have engendered such deep criticism around the world.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/24/washington/24documents.html?hp&ex=1164344400&en=fbb4cee6672da72e&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Thanks to good people like you who give a damn, JennasLiver, we got a good chance of getting these bastards before a jury of their peers.

[coznfx]

55. I must be dense ... what's BFEE?

I can usually figure these out. Must be the excess L-triptophan. Happy Thanksgiving to all!

[KitSileya]

56. I believe it stands for

Bush Family Evil Empire.

You Yanks have a happy turkey day.

[Octafish]

93. Bush Family Evil Empire

Like Smirk does with his nicknames for members of the White House Press Corpse, BFEE makes a convenient handle for describing the Bush Transnational Criminal Enterprise. These are gangsters the likes of which not even Ian Fleming dared dream, for they have actually hijacked the government of the United States. They use power for their nefarious purposes, looting the Treasury, impoverishing the middle class and enriching themselves and their cronies. They also have damaged the U.S. more than the NAZIs could, more than the Commies could, more than any enemy ever has. In the process, they have managed to destroy much of the Constitution and weakened We the People.

BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, coznfx.

[Jackpine Radical]

3. A bit more...

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush.htm

Did the Bushes help to kill JFK?
If nothing else, these pages will show the reader the following:

- Although he does not recall when asked, George (Herbert Walker) Bush was in Dallas the day JFK was assassinated.

- Bush lies about the fact that he was a high-ranking CIA official at the time of JFK's death.

- Bush allowed the escape of a convicted terrorist from prison to go to work for him as an undercover CIA asset in Iran-Contra.

- Bush has released another convicted terrorist.

- Both these terrorists were present on Dealey Plaza on 11/22/1963.

- Both these terrorists were convicted for killing 73 people by blowing up an airliner.

- Bush is personal friends with a close associate of these convicted terrorists, who was also a participant in Iran Contra.

- Bush has taken a leading role as CIA official in structuring/organizing these terrorists in effective organizations.

Shall we say: "Only in America, the land of unlimited opportunities"?

[SoCalDem]

9. Where is Tyler? Is it close to Dallas? How long to drive there?

If the phone call came from there?

[David Zephyr]

21. A little over a hundred miles. A ninety minute drive.

It's also on the way to or from Louisiana which is where the hit on Kennedy was launched: David Ferry and gang.

[bobthedrummer]

23. Ferrie, David Ferrie, he knew Lee Harvey Oswald from the Civil Air Patrol

Ferrie flew for Carlos Marcello as well as RW Cuban paramilitary groups sponsored by "rogue elements" in the US intelligence and military that included assassination teams.

David Ferrie should have his own thread, imo.

Here's a pic of Ferrie and Oswald and some of their CAP group.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/LHO16.htm

[Octafish]

31. That photo always bugged the heck out of me. Ferrie's behind the bent-over cadet...

... Oswald's off to the right, white t-shirt left hand on hip:



Why's this important? Recordings of the late Jim Garrison help explain the connections between David Ferrie, Guy Bannister, Clay Shaw and Lee Harvey Oswald:

http://www.prouty.org/garrison.html

No wonder the Government did all they could to discredit one of their best.

[bobthedrummer]

32. Ferrie was a hypnotist too, maybe he was issuing a suggestion!

Yeah, David Ferrie was one more disposable asset of Daddy War Bucks et al.

But while he was active he sure circulated in some highly positioned quarters-that's undeniable.

[Octafish]

37. bobthedrummer, any connection between MK-ULTRA and Ferrie?

Who knows if they did some kind of psyop job on him?



What we know about CIA and their sex-drugs-n-thugs ops are enough to make anyone date Evangelical Congressmen.

[bobthedrummer]

90. Dr. Louis Jolyon West connects to Jack Ruby-yet there are "fingerprints"

of others including Allen Dulles who approved Richard McGarrah Helms proposal for what became MK ULTRA in April 1953.

These "projects and sub-projects" continued and many were "privatized". There were similar projects being conducted in other nations-nations that don't get into denial, some have named and prosecuted the perps.

There's a lot more that could be said about all this, but not today.

[Octafish]

29. That's some good info, there Jackpine Radical. The bit about DeMohrenschildt...

...is just one excellent example. From that site's link to CIAJFK.com:



Gee. Poppy admits knowing DeMohrenschildt.

DeMohrenschildt befriended Oswald in Dallas. Years later, DeMohrenschildt was about to testify before the House Select Committee on Assassination. He "suicided" the day he was to be interviewed by Congressional investigator Gaeton Fonzi:

George De Mohrenschildt

EXCEDRPT...

In 1941 De Mohrenschildt went to work for his cousin, Baron Maydell, and his company, Film Facts, in New York. Maydell was also known to have pro-Nazi sympathies. During this period he made a documentary about the resistance movement in Poland. He also failed in his attempt to join the Office of Strategic Services (OSS).

After the Second World War De Mohrenschildt settled in Dallas where he worked for the oil millionaire, Clint Murchison. During this period he got to know Jackie Kennedy.

Ruth continued to live in Irving and at a party in February, 1963 she was introduced to Marina Oswald and Lee Harvey Oswald by George De Mohrenschildt. On 24th April, 1963, Marina and her daughter went to live with Ruth Paine. Lee Harvey Oswald rented a room in Dallas but stored some of his possessions in Ruth Paine’s garage. Ruth also helped Oswald to get a job at the Texas Book Depository.

In October, 1962 De Mohrenschildt became friends with Lee Harvey Oswald in Fort Worth. He suggested that Oswald should move to Dallas. In February, 1963 he introduced Marina Oswald and Lee Harvey Oswald to Ruth Paine. On 24th April, 1963, Marina and her daughter went to live with Paine. Oswald rented a room in Dallas but stored some of his possessions in Ruth Paine’s garage. Ruth also helped Oswald to get a job at the Texas Book Depository.

In 1963 De Mohrenschildt moved to Haiti. After the assassination of John F. Kennedy De Mohrenschildt was recalled to America to testify before the Warren Commission. He was asked about the claim of Marina Oswald that he knew about Oswald's attempt to kill General Edwin Walker. After giving evidence he returned to Haiti.

De Mohrenschildt returned to the United States in 1977. He approached Edward Jay Epstein complaining that he was short of money. Epstein offered him $4,000 for an interview. During their talks De Mohrenschildt admitted that in 1962 he had been contacted by J. Walton Moore, who was employed by the Central Intelligence Agency in Dallas. De Mohrenschildt was asked by Moore to find out about Oswald's time in the Soviet Union. In return he was given help with an oil deal he was negotiating with Papa Doc Duvalier, the Haitian dictator. In March 1963, De Mohrenschildt got the contract from the Haitian government. He had assumed that this was because of the help he had given to the CIA.

CONTINUED...

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKdemohrenschildt.htm

When the investigators went through DeMohrenschildt's address book, they found the guy had both Lee Harvey Oswald's name and numbers and George Herbert Walker Bush's info, including his birthdate and nickname, "Poppy."

[orpupilofnature57]

4. Just another good old boy ,J.F.K was the last true unequivocal leader!

http://millercenter.virginia.edu/scripps/diglibrary/prezspeeches/kennedy/jfk_1961_0427.html

[bobbie]

6. Yes he was. And today's the anniversary of his murder.

It was made very clear that true leaders will not be tolerated.

[Octafish]

36. One of the worst days ever for our country. The killers are as bad as NAZIs.

The NAZIs also didn't believe in democracy.

Commies, too.

Come to think of it, neither do the Bushes.

[Joe Chi Minh]

48. What do you mean they're as bad AS Nazis, Octafish!

[Octafish]

60. Sorry, KCabotDullesMarxIII. You're correct: They ARE Nazis.

Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn’t win WWII, so they backed Bushes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1547206&mesg_id=1547206

[Octafish]

34. Truly a top President, JFK kept USA out of nuclear war.

Here are a few archived speeches:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/35_kennedy/psources/

Here's the speech JFK was to give in Dallas:

Trade Mart Speech (Kennedy's Last Speech)

The president was scheduled to deliver this speech the day he was assassinated, November 22, 1963.

I am honored to have this invitation to address the annual meeting of the Dallas Citizens Council, joined by the members of the Dallas Assembly -- and pleased to have this opportunity to salute the Graduate Research Center of the Southwest. It is fitting that these two symbols of Dallas progress are united in the sponsorship of this meeting. For they represent the best qualities, I am told, of leadership and learning in this city -- and leadership and learning are indispensable to each other. The advancement of learning depends on community leadership for financial political support, and the products of that learning, in turn, are essential to the leadership's hopes for continued progress and prosperity. It is not a coincidence that those communities possessing the best in research and graduate facilities -- from MIT to Cal Tech -- tend to attract new and growing industries. I congratulate those of you here in Dallas who have recognized these basic facts through the creation of the unique and forward-looking Graduate Research Center.

This link between leadership and learning is not only essential at the community level. It is even more indispensable in world affairs. Ignorance and misinformation can handicap the progress of a city or a company, but they can, if allowed to prevail in foreign policy, handicap this country's security. In a world of complex and continuing problems, in a world full of frustrations and irritations, America's leadership must be guided by the lights of learning and reason -- or else those who confuse rhetoric with reality and the plausible with the possible will gain the popular ascendancy with their seemingly swift and simple solutions to every world problem.

There will always be dissident voices heard in the land, expressing opposition without alternative, finding fault but never favor, perceiving gloom on every side and seeking influence without responsibility. Those voices are inevitable.

But today other voices are heard in the land -- voices preaching doctrines wholly unrelated to reality, wholly unsuited to the sixties, doctrines which apparently assume that words will suffice without weapons, that vituperation is as good as victory and that peace is a sign of weakness. At a time when the national debt is steadily being reduced in terms of its burden on our economy, they that debt as the single greatest threat to our security. At a time when we are steadily reducing the number of Federal employees serving every thousand citizens, they fear those supposed hordes of civil servants far more than the actual hordes of opposing armies.

We cannot expect that everyone, to use the phrase of a decade ago, will "talk sense to the American people." But we can hope that fewer people will listen to nonsense. And the notion that this Nation is headed for defeat through deficit, or that strength is but a matter of slogans, is nothing but just plain nonsense.

I want to discuss with your today the status of our security because this question clearly calls for the most responsible qualities of leader- ship and the most enlightened products of scholarship. for this Nation's strength and security are not easily or cheaply obtained, nor are they quickly and simply explained. there are many kinds of strength and no one kind will suffice. Overwhelming nuclear strength cannot stop a guerrilla war. Formal pacts of alliance cannot stop internal subversion. Displays of material wealth cannot stop the disillusionment of diplomats subjected to discrimination.

Above all, words alone are not enough. The United States is a peaceful nation. And where our strength and determination are clear, our words need merely to convey conviction, not belligerence. If we are strong, our strength will speak for itself. If we are weak, words will be of no help.

I realize that this Nation often tends to identify turning-points in world affairs with the major addresses which preceded them. But it was not the Monroe Doctrine that kept all Europe away from this hemisphere -- it was the strength of the British fleet and the width of the Atlantic Ocean. It was not General Marshall's speech at Harvard which kept communism out of Western Europe -- it was the strength and stability made possible by our military and economic assistance.

In this administration also it has been necessary at times to issue specific warnings -- warnings that we could not stand by and watch the Communists conquer Laos by force, or intervene in the Congo, or swallow West Berlin, or maintain offensive missiles on Cuba. But while our goals were at least temporarily obtained in these and other instances, our successful defense of freedom was not due to the words we used, but to the strength we stood ready to use on behalf of the principles we stand ready to defend.

This strength is composed of many different elements, ranging from the most massive deterrents to the most subtle influences. And all types of strength are needed -- no one kind could do the job alone. Let us take a moment, therefore, to review this Nation's progress in each major area of strength.

First, as Secretary McNamara made clear in his address last Monday, the strategic nuclear power of the United States has been so greatly modernized and expanded in the last 1,000 days, by the rapid production and deployment of the most modern missile systems, that any and all potential aggressors are clearly confronted now with the impossibility of strategic victory -- and the certainty of total destruction -- if by reckless attack they should ever force upon us the necessity of a strategic reply.

In less than 3 years, we have increased by 50 percent the number of Polaris submarines scheduled to be in force by the next fiscal year, increased by more than 70 percent our total Polaris purchase program, increased by more than 75 percent our Minutemen purchase program, increased by 50 percent the portion of our strategic bombers on 15-minute alert forces. Our security is further enhanced by the steps we have taken regarding these weapons to improve the speed and certainty of their response, their readiness at all times to respond, their ability to survive an attack, and their ability to be carefully controlled and directed through secure command operations.

But the lessons of the last decade have taught us that freedom cannot be defended by strategic nuclear power alone. We have, therefore, in the last 3 years accelerated the development and deployment of tactical nuclear weapons, and increased by 60 percent the tactical nuclear forces deployed in Western Europe.

Nor can Europe or any other continent rely on nuclear forces alone, whether they are strategic or tactical. We have radically improved the readiness of our conventional forces -- increased by 45 percent of the number of combat ready Army divisions, increased by 100 percent the procurement of modern Army weapons and equipment, increased by 100 percent our procurement of our ship construction, conversion, and modernization program, increased by 100 percent our procurement of tactical aircraft, increased by 30 percent the number of tactical air squadrons, and increased the strength of the Marines. As last month's "Operation Big Lift" -- which originated here in Texas -- showed so clearly, this Nation is prepared as never before to move substantial numbers of men in surprisingly little time to advanced positions any- where in the world. We have increased by 175 percent the procurement of airlift aircraft, and we have already achieved a 75 percent increase in our existing strategic airlift capability. Finally, moving beyond the traditional roles of our military forces, we have achieved an increase of nearly 600 percent in our special forces -- those forces that are prepared to work with our allies and friends against the guerrillas, saboteurs, insurgents and assassins who threaten freedom in a less direct but equally dangerous manner.

But American military might should not and need not stand alone against the ambitions of international communism. Our security and strength, in the last analysis, directly depend on the security and strength of others, and that is why our military and economic assistance plays such a key role in enabling those who live on the periphery of the Communist world to maintain their independence of choice. Our assistance to these nations can be painful, risky, and costly, as is true in Southeast Asia today. But we dare not weary of the task. For our assistance makes possible the stationing of 3.5 million allied troops along the Communist frontier at one-tenth the cost of maintaining a comparable number of American soldiers. A successful Communist breakthrough in these area, necessitating direct United States intervention, would cost us several times as much as our entire foreign aid program, and might cost us heavily in American lives as well.

About 70 percent of our military assistance goes to nine key countries located on or near the borders of the Communist-bloc -- nine countries confronted directly or indirectly with the threat of Communistic aggression -- Viet-Nam, Free China, Korea, India, Pakistan, Thailand, Greece, Turkey, and Iran. No one of these countries possesses on its own the resources to maintain the forces which our own Chiefs of Staff think needed in the common interest. Reducing our efforts to train, equip, and assist their armies can only encourage Communist penetration and require in time the increased overseas deployment of American combat forces. And reducing the economic help needed to bolster these nations that undertake to help defend freedom can have the same disastrous result. In short, the $50 billion we spend each year on our own defense could well be ineffective without the $4 billion required for military and economic assistance.

Our foreign aid program is not growing in size, it is, on the contrary, smaller now than in previous years. It has had its weaknesses, but we have undertaken to correct them. And the proper way of treating weaknesses is to replace them with strength, not to increase those weaknesses by emasculating essential programs. Dollar for dollar, in or out of government, there is no better form of investment in our national security than our much-abused foreign aid program. We cannot afford to lose it. We can afford to maintain it. we can surely afford, for example, to do as much for our 19 needy neighbors of Latin America as the Communist bloc is sending to the island of Cuba alone.

I have spoken of strength largely in terms of the deterrence and resistance of aggression and attack. But in today's world, freedom can be lost without a shot being fired, by ballots as well as bullets. The success of our leadership is dependent upon respect for our mission in the world as well as our missiles -- on a clearer recognition of the virtues of freedom as well as the evils of tyranny.

That is why our Information Agency has doubled the shortwave broadcasting powers of the Voice of America and increased the number of broadcasting hours by 30 percent, increased Spanish language broadcasting to Cuba and Latin America from 1 to 9 hours a day, increased seven-fold to more than 3.5 million copies the number of American books being translated and published for Latin American readers, and taken a host of other steps to carry our message of truth and freedom to all the far corners of the earth.

And that is also why we have regained the initiative in the exploration of outer space, making an annual effort greater than the combined total of all space activities undertaken during the fifties, launching more than 130 vehicles into earth orbit, putting into actual operation valuable weather and communications satellites, and making it clear to all that the United States of America has no intention of finishing second in space.

This effort is expensive -- but it pays its own way, for freedom and for America. For there is no longer any fear in the free world that a Communist lead in space will become a permanent assertion of supremacy and the basis for military superiority. There is no longer any doubt about the strength and skill of American science, American industry, American education, and the American free enterprise system. In short, our nation space effort represents a great gain in, and a great resource of, our national strength -- and both Texas and Texans are contributing greatly to this strength.

Finally, it should be clear by now that a nation can be no stronger abroad than she is at home. Only an America which practices what it preaches about equal rights and social justice will be respected by those whose choice affects our future. Only an America which has fully educated its citizens is fully capable of tackling the complex problems and perceiving the hidden dangers of the world in which we live. And only an America which is growing and prospering economically can sustain the worldwide defenses of freedom, while demonstrating to all concerned the opportunities of our system and society.

It is clear, therefore, that we are strengthening our security as well as our economy by our recent record increases in national income and output -- by surging ahead of most of Western Europe in the rate of business expansion and the margin of corporate profits, by maintaining a more stable level of prices than almost any of our overseas competitors, and by cutting personal and corporate income taxes by some $11 billion, as I have proposed, to assure this Nation of the longest and strongest expansion in our peacetime economic history.

This Nation's total output -which 3 years ago was at the $500 billion mark -- will soon pass $600 billion, for a record rise of over $100 billion in 3 years. For the first time in history we have 70 million men and women at work. For the first time in history average factory earnings have exceeded $100 a week. For the first time in history corporation profits after taxes -- which have risen 43 percent in less than 3 years -- have an annual level of $27.4 billion.

My friends and fellow citizens: I cite these facts and figures to make it clear that America today is stronger than ever before. Our adversaries have not abandoned their ambitions, our dangers have not diminished, our vigilance cannot be relaxed. But now we have the military, the scientific, and the economic strength to do whatever must be done for the preservation and promotion of freedom.

The strength will never be used in pursuit of aggressive ambitions -- it will always be used in pursuit of peace. It will never be used to promote provocations -- it will always be used to promote the peaceful settlement of disputes.

We, in this country, in this generation, are -- by destiny rather than by choice -- the watchmen on the walls of world freedom. We ask, therefore, that we may be worthy of our power and responsibility, that we may exercise our strength with wisdom and restraint, and that we may achieve in our time and for all time the ancient vision of "peace on earth, good will toward men." That must always be our goal, and the righteousness of our cause must always underlie our strength. For as was written long ago: "except the Lord keep the city, the watchmen waketh but in vain."

SOURCE: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/35_kennedy/psources/ps_tradmart.html

Imagine a nation where every citizen -- no matter what their background -- is treasured?

JFK could.

[Octafish]

38. JFK Questioned Value of Nuclear Build-Up

The problem, as JFK saw it, was a bunch of Generals, Congressmen and Cabinet secretaries hounding him to go nuke, full blast, ASAFP.

It was that way during the Bay of Pigs.

It was that way during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

It was that way during the ramp-up to Vietnam.

Kennedy always said, "No. There's got to be a better way to peace."

News Release

New Tapes: JFK Questioned Value of Nuclear Build-Up

For Immediate Release: February 6, 2002

Boston: The John F. Kennedy Presidential Library today made public 240 minutes of newly declassified tape recordings of White House meetings and conversations that took place in the Cabinet Room on November 21, 27 and 29, and December 5, 1962.

Portions of the tapes may be heard by visiting the John F. Kennedy Library’s web page at www.jfklibrary.org.

The conversations between President John F. Kennedy and his advisors took place shortly after the Cuban Missile Crisis and centered on U.S. policy toward Cuba, the accuracy of American press reports on matters of national security, the military budget, and the value of nuclear weapons, both as a deterrent and as a practical weapon.

Of particular interest are President Kennedy’s candid views of nuclear weapons, nuclear war and deterrence. At one point during the December 5 meeting with Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and other military advisors, President Kennedy questions the usefulness of nuclear weapons as a deterrent, stating:

"If the purpose of our strategic buildup is to deter the Russians, number one; number two, to attack them if it looks like they are about to attack us or be able to lessen the impact they would have on us in an attack…if our point really then is to deter them…we have an awful lot of megatonnage to put on the Soviets sufficient to deter them from ever using nuclear weapons. Otherwise what good are they? You can’t use them as a first weapon yourself, they are only good for deterring…I don’t see quite why we’re building as many as we’re building."

In discussing deterrence and the buildup of nuclear weapons, President Kennedy also states:

"Our big danger is the Soviet Union is going to get in a position where they are going to have so much on us, such nuclear capabilities to deliver on us and cause us so many casualties, that we will not initiate a nuclear attack on them. And that being true, then they will use their conventional force to take whatever they want, anyplace—well not in this hemisphere—but in Europe and in Asia. That is the danger we are going to face, that I’ll—or whoever is President—will not want to fire this weapon to stop this conventional attack."

Concerning the Soviet missile buildup, the President observes "What is it that will deter them?… Even what they had in Cuba alone would have been a substantial deterrent to me."

CONTINUED...

http://www.jfklibrary.org/JFK+Library+and+Museum/News+and+Press/New+Tapes+JFK+Questioned+Value+of+Nuclear+Build+Up.htm

Would we had such a mind in the Oval Office today.

Instead, we have the spawn of the same Poppy mentioned in the OP.

[David Zephyr]

5. And Nixon was sitting in an airplane at Love Field when the "news" broke.

LBJ got to be president for four years, RFK was murdered permitting Nixon to have two terms with Ford (Warren Commission) completing it.

Poor Jimmy Carter and Frank Church never knew what they were in for, did they?

[Octafish]

40. The Secret Team takes no prisoners.

If they see a man's a problem, soon there is no man.



That may or may not be Poppy, I don't know. They all slouch the same.

I do remember FRANK CHURCH...

The late Sen. Frank Church was a World War II hero, a Senator at age 32 and on the CIA's shit list since 1961, when he blamed the CIA for the screwball Bay of Pigs operation (Hi, Poppy!). He was an early opponent of the Vietnam War, having himself served in southeast Asia during WW II, he understood better than most what the likely outcomes of U.S. military involvement there to be.

In 1975, Church...

Named Chairman of Select Committee to Study Governmental Opera- tions with Respect to Intelligence Activities - investigates alleged abuse of power by CIA and FBI. Reveals CIA involvement in plots to assassinate world leaders, coup against Chile's Marxist President Salvador Allende, covert operations against radical groups as de- fined by 1. Edgar Hoover, including Martin Luther King Jr., Adlai Stevenson and justice William 0. Douglas. Committee makes 100 recommendations including curbing illegal wire taps, mail opening, break-ins, surveillance, harassment of political dissidents, assassination plots against foreign leaders, and campaigns to smear Civil Rights activists.

SOURCE: http://library.boisestate.edu/Special/church/CHURCH1.HTM

Gee. Must've hit a raw nerve (Hi, Poppy!) The CIA is reported to have used its domestic assets to help defeat Church during 1980 reelection campaign (lost by less than 1-percent of vote). Four years later, Chuch suffered from cancer and died.

Still, War Inc. uses Church as a strawman, blaming him for 9-11:

Back to Church

By Chris Mooney
Issue Date: 11.5.01

Hawkish conservatives today must secretly reserve a special affection for the late Idaho Democrat Frank Church; after all, he provided them with the cudgel they've since used to batter liberal critics of the U.S. intelligence community. As chair of the Senate's 1975 intelligence investigation, Church famously characterized the Central Intelligence Agency as a "rogue elephant rampaging out of control." He was struggling to describe the lack of any clear presidential authorization for the agency's bungled assassination attempts against Fidel Castro and other foreign leaders. But to Church's critics, the "rogue elephant" comment came to epitomize the barnstorming liberal senator's hopelessly naive approach to intelligence. What president, they asked, would leave behind a written assassination order? Who was Church kidding? And how dare the senator--gearing up to run for president--grandstand at the expense of national security?

In the wake of September 11, we've been hearing "rogue elephant" again. The hawks have flung blame all around for the massive intelligence failure that permitted the September attacks, targeting Bill Clinton, CIA Director George Tenet, and the defenseless Frank Church. September 11 was Church's fault, these critics explain, because his bipartisan committee--which probed not just CIA assassination plots but covert operations, domestic-mail-intercept programs, the Federal Bureau of Investigation's hounding of Martin Luther King, Jr., and other abuses--broke the spirit of the nation's intelligence community by exposing its embarrassing missteps.

The Church bashing began the day of the World Trade Center massacre on ABC, when former Secretary of State James Baker said that Church's hearings had caused us to "unilaterally disarm in terms of our intelligence capabilities." The allegation was soon repeated by Republican Senator Christopher "Kit" Bond of Missouri and numerous conservative commentators. The Wall Street Journal editorial page called the opening of Church's public hearings "the moment that our nation moved from an intelligence to anti-intelligence footing." And the spy-mongering novelist Tom Clancy attacked Church on Fox News's O'Reilly Factor: "The CIA was gutted by people on the political left who don't like intelligence operations," he said. "And as a result of that, as an indirect result of that, we've lost 5,000 citizens last week."

SNIP...

Although the CIA had ballooned to the size of the State Department by the late 1950s, prior to 1975 the U.S. intelligence community had never undergone significant congressional scrutiny. The laissez-faire attitude was encapsulated by a remark to Church from the Republican Senator Leverett Saltonstall of Massachusetts: "It's better for gentlemen not to know what's going on." But after a 1974 New York Times series by Seymour Hersh revealed that the CIA had conducted "massive" illegal spying activities against American antiwar protesters and dissidents, Congress and the executive branch convulsed into action. Three separate bodies were formed to investigate the intelligence services: Church's committee in the Senate, a committee headed by New York Democrat Otis Pike in the House of Representatives, and a commission led by Vice President Nelson Rockefeller.

The Watergate hearings lingered in recent memory, and Church was in some sense the congressional equivalent of Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein. The amount of information amassed by his committee of 11 senators and more than 100 staff members was staggering: 800 interviews, 110,000 pages of documents. As the University of Georgia political scientist and Church-committee staffer Loch K. Johnson describes in his 1985 account Season of Inquiry, the committee's reports added up to "a stack of green-covered Senate publications standing over two feet high and numbering several thousand pages." And as the embarrassing revelations tumbled out--that the CIA had kept lethal shellfish poisons despite an order from President Nixon to destroy them, for example, or that it had administered LSD to "unwitting" human subjects--the Ford administration dug in its heels. Indeed, the rhetoric of "dismantling" and "crippling" the CIA comes from ur-Realpolitickers Gerald Ford and Henry Kissinger.

CONTINUED...

http://www.prospect.org/print/V12/19/mooney-c.html

Gee. A guy wants to know what a government agency does in the People's name and all he gets is a hearty shove over the edge. If there was justice in the land, some of these people blaming Church for 9-11 would look in the mirror. For instance, who let the Saudis, including Osama's kin, fly out of the country? Or, who ignored the FBI warnings that terrorists were training to fly jumbo jets? Does the name BUSH ring a bell, Poppy?

[flordehinojos]

7. whispers, secrecy, gossip...

with bush everything is a whisper, secrecy, and gossip. nothing is ever above board. nothing is ever in the light. everything is a dark and muddy dungeon.

i wonder if that phone call, an hour after JFK was shot, with bush traveling, he said, in the direction of Dallas where he would be at whatever hotel there he said he was going to be... blaming someone whose name couldve been JOHN GOSSIP for all anyone knows, was poppy's grand scheme to cover his bloody hands and smelly ass.

[orpupilofnature57]

8. Covert Conscience

[thingfisher]

10. So the cover-up continues...

GHWB will probably die quietly in his bed taking a lot of secrets with him.

[Octafish]

78. On the anniversary of President Kennedy's murder, NYT reports SNIPERS are ''Perfect Killing Method''

ABCNNBCBS Fools' Noise Nutwork are aand Corporate McPravda are always willing to help Poppy and the BFEE.

The irony is lost on some:

Perfect Killing Method, but Clear Targets Are Few

By C. J. CHIVERS
New York Times November 22, 2006

KARMA, Iraq, Nov. 16 — The sniper team left friendly lines hours ahead of the sun. They were a group of marines walking through the chill, hoping to be in hiding before the mullahs’ predawn call to prayer would urge this city awake.

They reached an abandoned building. Two marines stepped inside, swept the ground floor and signaled to the others to follow them to the flat roof, where they crawled to spots along its walls in which they had previously chiseled out small viewing holes.

Out came their gear: a map, spotting scopes, binoculars, two-way radios and stools. The snipers took their places, peering through the holes, watching an Iraqi neighborhood from which insurgents often fire. They were hoping an insurgent would try to fire on this day. The waiting began.

SNIP...

In theory, Western snipers are a nearly perfect method of killing Iraq’s insurgents and thwarting their attacks, all with little risk of damaging property or endangering passers-by. But in practice, the snipers say, they are seeing fewer clear targets than previously, and are shooting fewer insurgents than expected.

In 2003, one Marine sniper killed 32 combatants in 12 days, the snipers say, and many others had double-digit kill totals during tours in Iraq. By this summer, sniper platoons with several teams had typically been killing about a dozen insurgents in seven-month tours, with totals per platoon ranging from 3 to as high as 26.

The gap between the expectations and the results has many causes, but is in part a reflection of the insurgency’s duration. With the war in its fourth year, many of the best sniping positions are already well known to the insurgents, and veteran insurgents have become more savvy and harder to kill.

SNIP...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/22/world/middleeast/22sniper.html?_r=1&hp&ex=1164171600&en=2b7d480d67b3cc28&ei=5094&partner=homepage&oref=slogin

Most anyone who's studied what happened in Dealey Plaza that dark day know that President Kennedy's assassination was the result of professionals.

Interesting how the New York Times -- the nation's paper of record -- puffed up a big story about snipers on the anniversary of JFK's killing.

Who do they think they are fooling?

The owners of the Press Corpse -- and a bad many of its members -- are complicit in the cover-up.

Thus, they are accessories to murder.

They also are traitors to the United States.

[Old and In the Way]

11. That letter was his version of plausible deniability.

He could never remember where he was because he never expected that this letter would ever be publicly released. I'm sure it was intended to cover him for the official investigation. He was into the Bay of Pigs fiasco neck deep. The Bush family lost their sugar investments when Baptiste was removed from power in '59 by Castro. I have no doubts that this was both payback and a pre-emptive strike on a President who was committed to reducing the MIC influence in our foreign policy.

[orpupilofnature57]

13. J.F.K. Was seconds from obliterating covert operations forever,

unlike Shrub, he admitted a huge mistake in trusting advisor's and experts.http://millercenter.virginia.edu/scripps/diglibrary/prezspeeches/kennedy/jfk_1961_0427.html

[pretzel4gore]

12. they're petty crooks!

taking from the american people is like stealing candy from a baby. one of the ancient greeks' main argument against 'democracy' was the fact the people were too easily misled, too easily conned, too easily exploited, by those who controlled the wealth and the 'grapevine'...most 'progressives, like plato and aristotle, thought only by having a benevolent tyrant (like napoleon, alexander the great, ceasar augustus or marcus aureilieus etc) who ruled through idealistic members of ruling class could a decent society be achieved. few people even realize anymore how difficult it has been to become truly civilized, where one doesn't need 'friends' to walk arounf unharmed: it appears an entire generation of 'baby boomers' assumed that democracy, rule of law and governmental integrity etc were normal states....AND as they say, what happens when you assume?
for sanity's sake, it must be assumed that oldbush aided the murder of JFK.

[Octafish]

59. Plausible Deniability is SOP for Poppy

Despite the smoking arsenal crammed down his jodhpurs, the guy always claims to be out of the loop.

And the law and the press and those who know better let him get away with it.

Why? The available evidence indicates one sorry criminal, at best.

Here's one example of criminal behavior:

Beat the BFEE: Poppy’s CIA warned about terror plots and did not stop them

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2418621

[Jim Warren]

14. Funny how poppy shows up in the most darn'd places

Speaking of which....bonus round quick question....anyone remember hearing where poppy was the morning of 9/11?

Anybody?

[driver8]

17. Wasn't he having a meeting with the Bin Ladens?

Not sure where the meeting was being held, though.

[Octafish]

61. Poppy was with some of the bin Ladens, going over Carlyle Group business...

If the price is right, Poppy'll make a killing.

Carlyle's Way

Red Herring Business Magazine
Dan Briody, author of The Iron Triangle Wednesday January 8, 2002

Like everyone else in the United States, the group stood transfixed as the events of September 11 unfolded. Present were former secretary of defense Frank Carlucci, former secretary of state James Baker III, and representatives of the bin Laden family. This was not some underground presidential bunker or Central Intelligence Agency interrogation room. It was the Ritz-Carlton in Washington, D.C., the plush setting for the annual investor conference of one of the most powerful, well-connected, and secretive companies in the world: the Carlyle Group. And since September 11, this little-known company has become unexpectedly important...

And as the Carlyle investors watched the World Trade towers go down, the group's prospects went up. In running what its own marketing literature spookily calls "a vast, interlocking, global network of businesses and investment professionals" that operates within the so-called iron triangle of industry, government, and the military, the Carlyle Group leaves itself open to any number of conflicts of interest and stunning ironies. For example, it is hard to ignore the fact that Osama bin Laden's family members, who renounced their son ten years ago, stood to gain financially from the war being waged against him until late October, when public criticism of the relationship forced them to liquidate their holdings in the firm. Or consider that U.S. president George W. Bush is in a position to make budgetary decisions that could pad his father's bank account. But for the Carlyle Group, walking that narrow line is the art of doing business at the murky intersection of Washington politics, national security, and private capital; mastering it has enabled the group to amass $12 billion in funds under management.

CONTINUED...

http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=6793&hed=Carlyle's+Way

Lots o' background 'n' links: http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html

[texpatriot2004]

16. Great images Octafish nm

[Octafish]

62. Here's a real photo of Silverado Neil and Rev. Sun Myung Moon...

What a fine boy.

Before he went into globalization, Neil was into financial bidniss...

O Brother! Where Art Thou?

Like Hugh Rodham, the Bush Bros. Have Capitalized on Family Ties

BY LOUIS DUBOSE
Austin Chronicle
MARCH 16, 2001: NEWS

Unless you've been reading the Houston Chronicle society page, it's unlikely you've seen any current news about Neil Bush. The third Bush sibling has been almost as invisible as his apolitical brother Marvin, a venture capitalist living in northern Virginia, and his sister Dorothy "Doro" Koch, the youngest of the five Bush siblings, who quietly raises funds for charities in a Maryland suburb near Washington. While Jeb was governor of Florida and George W. was twice elected governor of Texas, Neil was either part of the late Maxine Mesinger's "crème de la crème crowd" at a Houston social event, or a stale S&L footnote: "the director of Silverado Banking, Savings and Loan when it crashed in 1988 at a cost of $1 billion to taxpayers."

In 1990, Bush paid a $50,000 fine and was banned from banking activities for his role in taking down Silverado, which actually cost taxpayers $1.3 billion. A Resolution Trust Corporation Suit against Bush and other officers of Silverado was settled in 1991 for $26.5 million. And the fine wasn't exactly paid by Neil Bush. A Republican fundraiser set up a fund to help defer costs Neil incurred in his S&L dealings. Friends and relatives contributed -- but not then-President and Barbara Bush, which would have been unseemly. Since then, the Bush political combine has done such a remarkable job keeping Neil in the background that what seemed like a 10-year news blackout didn't end until mid-February, when the Austin Business Journal reported that Bush "quietly is heading a local start-up that's raising at least $10 million in second-round funding." According to the business newsweekly, Bush has already raised $7.1 million from 53 investors underwriting Ignite! Inc., an educational software company. After being banned from banking and all but airbrushed out of the family portrait -- or at least the family news profile -- Neil Bush is back.

Bush wasn't just an average S&L exec drawing a big salary and recklessly pushing a federally insured institution beyond its lending limits. As a director of a failing thrift in Denver, Bush voted to approve $100 million in what were ultimately bad loans to two of his business partners. And in voting for the loans, he failed to inform fellow board members at Silverado Savings & Loan that the loan applicants were his business partners. Federal banking regulators later followed the trail of defaulted loans to Neil Bush oil ventures, in particular JNB International, an oil and gas exploration company awarded drilling concessions in Argentina -- despite its complete lack of experience in international oil and gas drilling. It probably helped that the Bush family had cultivated close ties with the fabulously corrupt Carlos Menem, former president of Argentina.

When JNB's rights and obligations were assumed by other investors, Neil tried to persuade another American oil and gas exploration company, Plains Resources, to invest in Argentina. Plains wasn't buying. But it was hiring, and picked up Neil as a consultant for its Argentine market -- because, as Plains executive Carlos Garibaldi told The New York Times' Jeff Gerth in 1992, Neil had "traveled and played tennis with President Menem." Plains President J. Patrick Collins told Gerth at the time that Neil Bush "bent over backwards not to trade on his name."

That claim was hard to make in 1993, when Neil, Marvin, James Baker III, John Sununu, and Thomas Kelly (who had served as director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Gulf War) joined President Bush on a trip to Kuwait. Three months out of office, the elder Bush was traveling on a Kuwait Airlines flight to accept an honorary degree from the country's university and its highest honor from its leader: Emir Sheikh Jabir al-Ahmad al-Sabah. The rest of the Bush entourage was following along to exploit the market in a country that considered the ex-president its savior. Former Secretary of State Baker was doing deals for Enron (the Houston-based energy-related company and contributor to Bush the Elder and later a $525,000 donor to George W. Bush's two gubernatorial races in Texas). Marvin was representing U.S. defense firms selling electronic fences to the Kuwaiti Defense Ministry. And Neil was selling anti-pollution equipment to Kuwaiti oil contractors.

There is "no conflict of interest. ... We're just capitalizing on whatever good feelings exist," an executive from the company Neil Bush represented later told Seymour Hersh, who laid out the embarrassing story on the pages of The New Yorker in September 1993. Neil, according to Hersh, later returned to Kuwait and set up shop in the International Hotel in Kuwait City, where he tried to secure a management contract with Kuwait's Ministry of Electricity and Water. Neil's deal included foreign and Kuwaiti members of the Enron consortium, and would have had the Kuwaiti government paying a management fee to a Kuwaiti company that was owned in part by a private company set up in the Caribbean or some other tax haven. "The offshore firm would have various owners, in Europe and elsewhere, one of which would be a company in which Neil Bush had an interest," The New Yorker reported. The scheme was ingenious, a financial analyst told Hersh."If you looked at one of the contracts, how in the hell would you know that Bush was in it?" The whole deal was as unsavory and unpardonable as a round of golf with Hillary Clinton sibling Huey Rodham.

CONTINUED...

http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/story?oid=oid%3A81085

Theirs is a simple life: Money for Power. Power for Money.

[texpatriot2004]

77. Silverado S&L cost the taxpayers "1.3 BILLION" - "Family Values:

George, teach Neil NOT to Steal!"

[Twist_U_Up]

18. 911 was an inside job

nuuf said

[Octafish]

63. Sink the BFEE: Foley gives us Congress. Condi sends 'em to prison.

You got that right, Twist_U_Up. And Bush just cut brush...

Even though they're the only business mentioned by name in the Constitution, Corporate McPravda – ABCNNBCBSFoulNoiseNutwork – doesn’t do squat when it comes to informing the American public about what the Bush Family Evil Empire is about and what they are doing to the United States of America, its Constitution and We the People.

Because of DU, however, we know these things about the Bush Family Evil Empire that most Americans know just a little, if anything, about. And we know what we know about BushCo because we help each other learn. We help spread the Truth about the BFEE.



We live in a time where we can change the course of history. Thanks to the perfect storm of Truth, we Democrats can retake Congress and relegate the BFEE to the dismal ash can of history and its members to prison, where they belong.

First: The Foley scandal has given the Democrats the ammo needed for a sea change in both houses of Congress.



The short story on ex-U.S. Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.): A known child molester was given a position to oversee laws designed to protect children from child molesters. What’s worse, Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) covered it up. In America, married households may now be a minority, but parents who have kids hate child molesters. Same for most people, in general: Child molestation generates universal hatred.

That’s why Fox and so many other “news” media have tried to connect Foley, “by accident,” to the Democrats. Even Huffington Post made the connection. Once an idea is in a person’s head, it takes a LOT of Truth to drive it out. Consider the nonexistent ties between Osama and Saddam that so many Americans still believe to exist. So, if the connection between the House Republicans and Foley can be made in the minds of enough Americans, they will not vote for Republicns.

Eleven GOPers Fingered in Foley Cover-Up

By Justin Rood - September 30, 2006, 9:32 PM
Roll Call's John Bresnahan reports:

As of Saturday evening, nearly a dozen House GOP lawmakers and staffers have acknowledged that they knew of the initial batch of non-sexually explicit messages from Foley to a 16-year-old former House page, some of them for a year or more. These include Hastert <(IL)>; Majority Leader John Boehner (Ohio); National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Tom Reynolds (N.Y.); Reps. Rodney Alexander (La.) and John Shimkus (Ill.); Mike Stokke, the Speaker’s deputy chief of staff; Ted Van Der Meid, Hastert’s counsel; Paula Nowakowski, Boehner’s chief of staff; Jeff Trandahl, the former Clerk of the House; and another Hastert aide and Alexander’s chief of staff, according to public statements and GOP insiders.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001645.php

Which brings me to the second, and the better thing for our country. Let’s talk about the end of the BFEE.

Lost in Foley-GOP-Pagegate scandal are the “Bush administration” lies regarding what they knew before 911. The public record shows almost every public utterance regarding September 11 of George W Bush, Dick Bruce Cheney, Condoleeza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, John Ashcroft and their assorted toadies have been false. Here’s what the public is starting to see: They are all liars. Consider, please, the following:

Condescenda said she doesn’t remember an emergency briefing on July 10, 2001. She said so recently. And she certainly said so during her testimony before the 9-11 Commission. Yet there’s the White House records saying she was briefed. Liar.

Rice Denies Book's Assertion She Brushed Off CIA Terror Warning

`Incomprehensible,' she says of the idea that she ignored Tenet's anxiety over a strike before 9/11.

By Paul Richter
LA Times Staff Writer
October 3, 2006

State Department officials acknowledged late Monday that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was at a 2001 meeting where she was reportedly warned of the need to act on an impending terrorist threat to the United States.

They said she met with then-CIA Director George J. Tenet on or around July 10. A new book by Bob Woodward says she brushed off Tenet's warning at that session.

SNIP...

"The idea that I would have ignored that, I find incomprehensible," Rice told reporters late Sunday during the flight. "I am quite certain that it was not a meeting in which I was told that there was an impending attack, and refused to respond."

The State Department said Monday that a meeting around the time described by Woodward had in fact taken place, based on government records, but that no new information was given to Rice, who then was President Bush's national security advisor.

In his book, Woodward writes that Tenet and J. Cofer Black, then director of the CIA's counterterrorism center, decided on July 10, 2001, that they had to request a dramatic, "out-of-cycle" meeting with Rice to describe their anxiety over the chance of an attack against American interests, possibly within the United States.

CONTINUED…

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-book3oct03,1,531509.story?coll=la-news-politics-national&track=crosspromo

Gee. Let’s put that in perspective, please Mr. Scheer?

Rice More Sordid Than Foley

by Robert Scheer
Published on Wednesday, October 4, 2006 by Truthdig.com

They are such liars. And no, I am not speaking only of the dissembling GOP House leaders led by Speaker Dennis Hastert who, out of naked political calculation, covered up for one of their own in the sordid teen stalking case of Rep. Mark Foley.

Call me old school, but I am still more concerned with the Republicans molesting Lady Liberty while pretending to be guarding the nation’s security, an assignment which they have totally botched. The news about the Foley coverup, while important as yet another example of extreme hypocrisy on the part of the Republican virtues police, should not be allowed to obscure the latest evidence of administration deceit as to its egregious ineptness in protecting the nation.

On Monday, a State Department spokesman conceded that then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice had indeed been briefed in July 2001 by George Tenet, then-director of the CIA, about the alarming potential for an Al Qaeda attack, as Bob Woodward has reported in his aptly named new book, “State of Denial.”

“I don’t remember a so-called emergency meeting,” Rice had said only hours earlier, apparently still suffering from some sort of post-9/11 amnesia that seemed to afflict her during her forced testimony to the 9/11 Commission. The omission of this meeting from the final commission report is another example of how the Bush administration undermined the bipartisan investigation that the president had tried to prevent. Surely lying under oath in what was arguably the most important official investigation in the nation’s history should be treated more seriously than the evasiveness in the Paula Jones case that got President Bill Clinton impeached. Nor is it just Rice who should be challenged, for Tenet seems to have provided Woodward with details concerning the administration’s indifference to the terrorist threat that he did not share with the 9/11 Commission.

SNIP…

Such weaseling would be funny if the topic were not so serious. But there is no way Rice can squirm out of this one, despite her impressive track record of calculated distortion on everything from Iraq’s nonexistent WMDs to the trumped-up ties between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Can there be any better case for turning over control of at least one branch of Congress to the opposition party so that we might finally have hearings to learn the truth of this matter, which is far more important, and sordid, than the Foley affair?

SOURCE:

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1004-33.htm

In brushing off the briefers, she had the nerve to ask them to go see Ashcan and Rumsferatu. Ashcan said he never got a briefing, but wished he had. It certainly explains why he stopped flying commercial in July 2001. Liar.

Rumsfeld, Ashcroft received warning of al Qaida attack before 9/11

By JONATHAN S. LANDAY, WARREN P. STROBEL and JOHN WALCOTT
McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Mon, Oct. 02, 2006email thisprint this

WASHINGTON - Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and former Attorney General John Ashcroft received the same CIA briefing about an imminent al-Qaida strike on an American target that was given to the White House two months before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The State Department's disclosure Monday that the pair was briefed within a week after then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice was told about the threat on July 10, 2001, raised new questions about what the Bush administration did in response, and about why so many officials have claimed they never received or don't remember the warning.

One official who helped to prepare the briefing, which included a PowerPoint presentation, described it as a "10 on a scale of 1 to 10" that "connected the dots" in earlier intelligence reports to present a stark warning that al-Qaida, which had already killed Americans in Yemen, Saudi Arabia and East Africa, was poised to strike again.

SNIP…

Clarke told McClatchy Newspapers that Rice focused in particular on the possible threat to President Bush at an upcoming summit meeting in Genoa, Italy, and promised to quickly schedule a high-level White House meeting on al-Qaida. That meeting took place on September 4, 2001.

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http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/nation/15662785.htm

Bush said, before it became public knowledge, that he never heard nothing about no Osama. Yet, we discovered in March 2003, that was false.

Decoding The PDB

Larry C. Johnson is a member of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. He served with the CIA from 1985 through 1989 and worked in the State Department's office of Counter Terrorism from 1989 through 1993. He also is a registered Republican who contributed financially to the Bush Campaign in 2000.

Are George W. Bush and Condoleezza Rice really as clueless as they are claiming to be? Bush and Rice are both on the record misstating what was in the 6 August 2001 PDB (Presidential Daily Briefing). They both insist the information was only “historical” and “not actionable.” They apparently are not alone in their faux ignorance. Republican partisans and even some members of the media are busy bolstering the spin that this was “an historical memo.” Absolute nonsense!

I wrote about 40 PDB’s during my four-year tenure at the CIA. This particular PDB article was written in response to a presidential request. I am told that Bush’s request was a reaction to the intelligence warnings he was hearing during the daily CIA morning briefings. Something caught his attention and awakened his curiosity. He reportedly asked the CIA to come back with its assessment of Bin Laden’s intentions. The CIA answered the question –Bin Laden was targeting the United States.

The PDB article released Saturday is a classic CIA response to such a request. It lays out the historical and evidentiary antecedents that undergird the analyst’s belief about the nature of the threat and provides current intelligence indicators that reinforce the basic conclusion of the piece—i.e., Bin Laden was determined to attack the United States. It is true that the piece did not contain specific details about the plot that was launched subsequently on 9/11. However, the details that are included in the piece are so alarming that anyone familiar with the nature of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda should have asked, “What are they planning and what can we do to stop it?”

CONTINUED...

Published: Apr 12 2004

http://www.tompaine.com/Archive/scontent/10224.html

And now we’re discovering the CIA felt they weren’t getting anywhere. So they went to see Bush, on vacation for the month of August in Crawford.

The smirking turd from Crawford was briefed on his pig farm on Aug. 6, 2001. George W Bush even had the nerve to tell the briefer: “All right. You’ve covered your ass, now.” Liar.

Ron Suskind, George W. Bush and the Aug. 6, 2001, PDB

Ron Suskind's "The One Percent Doctrine" is out this week, and the Washington Post's Barton Gellman says it's full of "jaw-dropping stories" about the Bush administration's war on terror.

Or lack thereof.

We've known for years now that George W. Bush received a presidential daily briefing on Aug. 6, 2001, in which he was warned: "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." We've known for almost as long that Bush went fishing afterward.

What we didn't know is what happened in between the briefing and the fishing, and now Suskind is here to tell us. Bush listened to the briefing, Suskind says, then told the CIA briefer: "All right. You've covered your ass, now."

-- Tim Grieve

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/06/20/911pdb/index.html

All of them deny getting briefed about Osama bin Laden determined to strike in the U.S. Doesn’t that seem odd? The records show they, too, got briefed. There’s even a nice power point presentation to connect the dots to airplanes and buildings. I’m sure it’s classified. Yet, they all continue to assert they didn’t know anything about OBL’s plans.

So, America, how much more proof do you need?

Like a broken record, I am wont to say the BFEE fears one thing more than anything else—the truth.

Why? The truth shows them to be the treasonous, warmongering, mass-murdering, gangsters they are.

Every so often, history provides us with the occasion to make it. Which is another way of saying change it from happening, or keep something from happening the way Bush wants.

The Bush Transnational Crime Family wants America to think they are powerless. That DIEBOLD will count their votes wrong. That their votes don’t matter. That one party is the same as another.

They aren’t. It does. They do. They aren’t.

That’s what we’re about, DU. We can do something about it.

Let’s go get these Bush bastards! We got the Truth. It's what America's waiting for.

[Initech]

68. You should post this in a seperate thread - good stuff!

And you're right - the BFEE is living in an absurd fantasy land. It's great to see that the people have spoken and are tired of the shit they've been getting away with since the early days of Reagan.

[Octafish]

70. Congress is going to have a field day finding out the treasons of these turds...

...from Selection 2000 to ENRON Energy Policy to Welfare-for-the-Wealthy to Afghan Millions for Amoco to NSA Spying to 9/11 Alzheimers to Secret Government Less Dems to emptying the TREASURY to PLAMEgate to Illegal Iraq Invasion to Torture to Halliburton Concentration Camps to just about every vile thing and person that is the Bush Crime Family.

I'll make sure to have the VCR going on C-SPAN that day.

Thanks for the kind words, EOO. I borrowed it:

Sink the BFEE: Foley gives us Congress. Condi sends 'em to prison.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2401056

I've got a plan to tweak that a bit. The FBI has a lot of explaining to do.

[Initech]

71. I cant wait to see what's going to be uncovered....

Of course, what sucks is that we may have to wait for Bush Sr. to die before every single detail is uncovered but we'll get there. Slowly.

[ComerPerro]

19. I don't know how to say this or who to tell. But, listen carefully

I have it from a reliable source that Al Qaida is determied to strike within the US, possibly the World Trade Center.

Just a heads up, in the spirit of poppy Bush

[Jackpine Radical]

25. OK, you've covered your ass.

[ComerPerro]

28. just want to make sure everyone knows, so we are warned

[Joe Chi Minh]

49. Kind of retrowarned.

[Octafish]

39. From Dallas on 22 November 1963 to the present, these dots connect to Smirko.

Hey RUMSFELD! Who's your NAZI?

Posted by Octafish on Sat Sep-02-06 11:36 PM

I got your NAZI right here, Rummy:



Unlike the free press guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, the real enemy of freedom, the truth be known, is George Walker Bush. The coward of Crawford and much of his administration are most un-American.

Don't believe your own eyes that show Bush is the public front for the Bush Transnational Criminal Enterprise? What follows is proof he supports the goals of the NAZIs in word and deed.



Bush Steals Elections. Like the NAZIs.

Newspaper studies confirm Democrat Gore won Florida vote

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/feb2001/flor-f05.shtml

A Corrupted Election

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/1970

Did the NSA help Bush hack the vote?

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2006/1294



Bush Let Down America's Guard, Enabling the "New Pearl Harbor." Like the NAZIs.

They Knew...

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802

A Second Pearl Harbor?

http://www.hermes-press.com/pearlharbor.htm



Bush Looted the national Treasury. Like the NAZIs.

$1 trillion missing -- Bush plan targets Pentagon accounting

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/05/18/MN251738.DTL

The Family that Preys Together

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/Bush_Family_Preys_Together.html


Bush Enriched Connected Friends. Like the NAZIs.

Bush Family Value$

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1992/09/bushboys.html

Bush Family Values Photo Album

http://www.hereinreality.com/familyvalues.html




Bush Lied to Make a Case for War. Like the NAZIs.

Chief US inspector admits Iraq had no WMD stockpiles

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/iraq-j28.shtml

CIA used WMD search to try to justify Iraq war, former Australian official says

http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/international/news/20060831p2g00m0in041000c.html

Bush knew. And terrorists flew.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3691306&mesg_id=3696940&page=




Bush Attacked an Innocent Nation. Like the NAZIs.

CIA Ignored Info Iraq Had No WMD

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060103/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_iraq

Iraq had no WMD: the final verdict

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1307529,00.html



Bush Tortures Prisoners, Even Children. Like the NAZIs.

Iraq's Child Prisoners

http://www.sundayherald.com/43796

Bush Advisor Says President Has Legal Power to Torture Children

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11488.htm

Questions Not Asked: Torturing People's Children, War Powers, Geneva Conventions

http://www.accuracy.org/newsrelease.php?articleId=1204



Bush Spies on His Own People. Like the NAZIs.

J. Edgar Hoover With Supercomputers

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20060105/j_edgar_hoover_with_supercomputers.php

“Millions” of American’s Phone Calls Tapped by NSA

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2006/01/abcs_scoop_mill.html

So. Which NAZI has come closer to destroying America? The 20th Century NAZIs or the Crazy Monkey?



Like the gangster in on a fixed trifecta, my money’s on Bush.

PS: Please discuss and add your own examples. Both facts and opinions are welcome.

[Minnesota_Lib]

20. So Poppy sends them after a red herring in Houston and then heads to Dallas. Hmmmm

[Octafish]

65. Smart Operator, that Poppy. None of the 'Vision Thing,' though.

From DUer Gregorian:

22. Just Googling around, I found this.

From this site-

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/jfk2.htm

"it states that George
Herbert Walker Bush and James Parrott, the man named by Bush as
planning to kill JFK in Houston, later that week"were political
enemies", Parrott is also described in the book above as "an active
member of Houston's Young Republicans." Another of many sources for
the Bush call to the FBI 2 hours BEFORE JFK was killed is The
July/August 1992 issue of Spy Magazine, Page 39 ISSN 0890-1759 5
Union Square West, NYC 10003 In that story, by David Robb
Parrott was already known to the Secret Service for similar threats
to JFK as of 1961, yet here was Bush reporting Parrott to the FBI,
2 hours BEFORE JFK was killed"


And from this website-

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush.htm

"Thirty years later the same James Parrott that Bush was accusing is working on Bush's presidential campaign against Bill Clinton."

Original DU thread:

The OCTOPUS in Dallas: Poppy involved in JFK Assassination

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5456280&mesg_id=5456933

In the citation above, the author indicated Bush, in the first FBI memo, warned the FBI two hours BEFORE the assassination. In fact, the memo shows Bush called only after it was public knowledge the President was deceased. In some way, this call must mean Bush wanted the record to show he was not in Dallas at the time.

seemslikeadream remembered hearing Barbara, on slImus say she and George Jr. were in Dallas that day to see the "parade." So, perhaps Poppy was a lot closer to Dealey Plaza than Tyler.


Thanks for giving a damn, Minnesota_Lib.

They are just smart enough to fool some of the people.

Most of those who supported these crooks are starting to wake up.

[dave502d]

27. I would love to know what the old prick knows. n/t

[Octafish]

30. There's no statute of limitation on murder.

There's a lot the old prick knows.



From the expression on the woman's face, much of that appears no good.

[Karenina]

45. ACK! The thought!!!

:puke:

[Octafish]

66. W Bragged Poppy was CIA in 1973... Two Years BEFORE Poppy was DCI!

The woman whose late husband, a TANG buddy of "Lt." George W Bush, said people didn't know much about the Bushes in 1973, but people did know ONE important thing:

Fear of Flying: A Duval County Woman Says Nerves Ended W's National Guard Service In Texas

by Susan Cooper Eastman

EXCERPT...

For Linke, W's auxiliary service has become a very personal flashpoint. Linke's husband died while serving in the Texas Guard in 1973 after drinking at the officer's club. He nodded off at the wheel, drove into a lake and drowned. Linke was 27 years old with a 3-year-old son. She didn't know much about who W was then; his family was not on the national radar. "We were told his father was very wealthy Texan with CIA connections."

SOURCE:

http://www.legitgov.org/essay_eastman_bush_fear_of_flyi...

So, it appears W bragged about his Daddy bein' CIA in 1973.

That would make Poppy a perjurer for telling Congress he was never in the CIA before becoming Director of Central Intelligence.

Gee. Wonder what else he's lied about?

[Megahurtz]

111. BLEH!

:puke: Eeeew! I'm totally creeped out!

[cosmicdot]

42. Know Your BFEE

I knew I would find an Octafish thread!

Hey, Poppy, I know exactly where I was.

I'm tired of our country building its future on lies. The Ship of State is sailing on a misdirected course.

btw

I have a great campaign speech (on vinyl) that JFK gave a few days before the 1960 election.
He was phenomenal ... what a stump speech. The story is that they couldn't find his prepared text ... so, he spoke without it. You would have never known. Thank goodness someone was smart enough to record it. Those who attended (including my parents) knew the occasion was extraordinary.

[tex-wyo-dem]

46. cosmicdot...I would love to see a transcript of...

That speech.

Even better, an MP3 :)

[Octafish]

72. and so castles made of sand slips into the sea eventually.

IMO JMH

Know your BFEE Log

Know your BFEE: The Fellowship ‘Preys’ for America

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2591203&mesg_id=2591203


Sink the BFEE: Foley gives us Congress. Condi sends 'em to prison.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2401056


Beat the BFEE: Poppy’s CIA warned about terror plots and did not stop them

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2418621


Know your BFEE: Los Amigos de Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2214484


Know your BFEE: Neil Bush hangs out with Russian Mafiya Godfather

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2082945


Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush was in Dallas the day JFK was assassinated.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1946852


Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn’t win WWII, so they backed Bushes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1547206&mesg_id=1547206


Know your BFEE: At every turn, JFK was opposed by War Party

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1366764


Know your BFEE: Lies Are the Currency of Their Realm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1170858


Know your BFEE: Cheney & Halliburton Sold Iran Nuke Technology

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=928662


Know your BFEE: The Stench of Moussaoui Permeates the Octopus

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=757860&mesg_id=757860


Know your BFEE: Moussaoui Must Die for Bush and 'His' Government

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=602016


Know your BFEE: Alito is just another word for Mussolini

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=266685


What the heck, this belongs here, too:

BFEE Turd Daniel Pipes tied to DANISH CARTOONS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=417774


Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=133897


Know your BFEE: The China-Bush Axis

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5333644


Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5280903


Know your BFEE: Libby Is the First Big BFEE Turd to Go Down

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5233814


Know your BFEE: WHIG (White House Iraq Group) made phony case for Iraq War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5077403


Know your BFEE: The Secret Government

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5027094


Know your BFEE: Reinhard Gehlen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4863411&mesg_id=4863411


Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4813493


Know your BFEE: Killer Businessmen who put Power and Profit before Country

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4401300


Know your BFEE: Nixon Threatened to Nuke Vietnam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3953519


Know your BFEE: Corrupt Craftsmen Hoover and Dulles

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3908104


Know your BFEE: Poppy’s CIA Made Saddam Into the Butcher of Baghdad

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3853409


Know your BFEE: Hitler’s Bankers Shaped Vietnam War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3832033&mesg_id=3832033&page=


Know your BFEE: Merchants of Death

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3743890


Know your BFEE: R. James Woolsey, Turd of War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3699042


Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3627538


Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3601654


Know your BFEE: James R Bath – Bush – bin Laden Link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3571293&mesg_id=3571293&page=


Know your BFEE: War Profiteers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3493251


Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5280903


Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3355939


Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2788428


Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3312956


Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2511192


Know your BFEE: The Barreling Bushes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2472759


Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2748315


Know your BFEE: How Smirko Got Rich

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2529964


Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2956067


Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2414083


Know your BFEE: George W Bush Knew 9-11 Was Coming and Did NOTHING!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2404049


Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2396787


Know your BFEE: Pat Robertson Incorporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2397004



These aren’t labeled “Know Your BFEE,” but they’re meant in the same spirit:

Poppy Bush Involved in JFK Assassination -- BFEE's Spooked!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3274455


Vietnam and Iraq Wars Started by Same People

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3193142


JFK Would NEVER Have Fallen for Phony INTEL!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5501005&mesg_id=5501005


Plame Affair makes clear: USA is run by TRAITORS.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4200507


BFEE Is More than Capable of Bombing Their Own Countrymen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4045149

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x46709


A Short History of Conspiracy Theory

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4086438


And for cosmicdot, seemslikeadream
and a whole lot of DUers
at work shining light on the BFEE:



Taming of Evil
2000, by Renata Pabulinkas
oil on canvas, 58 x 62-inches

[Megahurtz]

110. AAAAAAAAA! I'm going to have nightmares!

:scared:

[AzDar]

43. Kick!! n/t

[Octafish]

73. Thanks, AzDar! You know WHO really pisses me off? John 'Swift Boat' O'Neill

One guy instrumental in making tens of millions of Americans believe that John Kerry had not earned three purple hearts, let alone a Silver Star and a Bronze Star was John O. O'Neill.

Way back when, John O'Neill* was Bill White's attorney in a lawsuit against James R Bath.

Bath was the "U.S. business agent" for the bin Mahfouz and bin Laden families.

He also may've invested some of their money in Arbusto and HARKEN Energy and Spectrum 7 and other Smirko McCokespoon Enterprises.

Anywho, Bath bilked White out of half-a-million IIRC.

White went to the attorney John O' O'Neill. This is the same fellah who went on to become John "Smear Boat" O'Neill.

FTR: Dallas. BCCI. Selection 2000. They are all connected.

Case in point: The bad John O'Neill got his start going up against the war hero John Kerry in the early 70s also pops up in the BCCI-bin Mahfouz-Laden-James R Bath part of the BFEE story. In Bill White's law suit against James R Bath (Reppin' the Houses of bin Laden, bin Mahfouz and bin Bush), John O'Neill kept telling Bill White that they had made their case against the judge and that he knew the judge and that the judge would rule in their favor. Never happened. Wonder if White suspected at the time his attorney -- John "Smear Boat" O'Neill -- haad greased the case FOR his opponent was connected to the BFEE?

From the CBC interview:

HE QUOTES THE NAME OF GEORGE BUSH

– Oh absolutely.

SENIOR OR JUNIOR?

Senior. He said that he would call the politically appointed Judges and I would never get due process. And that really is what motivated me to fight the fight in the courts. I couldn’t believe in the aftermath of all of us risking our lives fighting for the system that we could be denied our rights of due process under law. I just couldn’t believe that. Unfortunately I thought it was a bluff, but it turned out to be true because what he predicted is precisely what happened. I thought it was Bath who was blowing smoke so I resisted and I said: “Jim, I’m not going to sue you, I’m not going to go report these Saudi dealings to the DA’s Office. I just don’t want to be in Business with you anymore.” Then I called my Attorney and I didn’t instruct him to file a lawsuit. I said please look at our Partnership agreement and find out how I can become a Businessman independent of Jim Bath. I just don’t want to be involved in all this. Well, I never had that luxury because Bath and the Bank that was laundering the Saudi money inundated me in lawsuits. I had four criminal chargesand I think twenty-eight lawsuits that were filed against me concurrently. And it just dominated my life. Fortunately I was able to get legal representation. The best lawyers in Houston took up my case on a contingency fee basis. They filed counter claims against Bath alleging Saudi influence peddling with the Bush family, although in retrospect when I read my own legal pleadings, the lawyers were very careful to remove a lot of the references to the threats and avoided using the Bin Laden,the Bin Mahfouz the Bush name. And I would ask my own lawyers, why aren’t you stating succinctly the nature of the Bath’s threat?. And they’d say: “Well Bill, you know we don’t want to make the Judges angry. We have to be very careful.”

AND IT WASN’T THAT THEY DIDN’T BELIEVE THOSE LINKS WERE TRUE, IT WAS JUST THE OPPOSITE. THEY BELIEVED THEM ?

– They believed the links to be true. They’re afraid of backlash from the Judges. One of my many Lawyers, John O’Neill of Porter and Clements, was actually the campaign manager of one of the Republican judges who poured me out every case - Judge Lewis Moore,. And when John found out that my case was assigned to Judge Moore he said: “Bill, we’ve got this case made-in-the-shade.” He said: “This guy - I’m his campaign manager. I raise funds for his reelection. No problem.” And then we’d get into the courtroom and be poured out without a trial. And John would shake his head and comment: “The Judge must have gone crazy. I can’t believe it, he’s never treated me this way.”

SNIP...

WHEN GEORGE BUSH SENIOR WAS REPLACED AS DIRECTOR OF THE CIA, WHERE DID HE GO?

He came to Houston where he became affiliated with a Bank in Houston called FIB, First International Bank. And that was the bank that Bath used to deposit the Saudi money. That’s where the Bin Laden revolving line of credit was. The name changed in 1980 to InterFirst Bank from FIB but it was the same bank.

AND YOU SAY HE WAS CONNECTED WITH THIS BANK. WHAT WAS GEORGE BUSH SENIOR’S INTEREST? He was Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Bank. SO THAT’S MORE THAN CONNECTED.

Well, more than connected. Yes.

FUNDAMENTAL ROLE.

He was the principal player. “This is no coincidence at all. This is all arranged. It was all arranged at the time that Bush made his quid pro quo relationship with the Saudis.

“ SO NO COINCIDENCE AS FAR AS YOU’RE CONCERNED THAT THE SAUDI MONEY AND THE MONEY THAT BATH’S DOING BUSINESS WITH, ENDS UP AT GEORGE BUSH SENIOR’S BANK?

No this is no coincidence at all. This is all arranged. It was all arranged at the time that Bush made his quid pro quo relationship with the Saudis. My understanding of it is that Bath represented the Bush interests and Bin Laden/Bin Mahfouz interchangeably represented the Saudi Royal Family interests. People who have tried to villify the Bin Laden family or the Bin Mahfouz family fail to realize that the Saudis have a very patriarchal society and that according to Bath, neither of those families sneeze without the Saudi Royals’ blessing. I mean everything they do is at the beholding at the Saudi Royal Family. As a matter of fact, Bin Mahfouz’ Bank NCB is the only Bank that was not nationalized in Saudi Arabia. All the rest of the Banks were nationalized in 1974 except National Commercial Bank (NCB) which is privately owned by Bin Mahfouz. That’s where the Saudi Royals keep all their personal money.

CONTINUED...

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:JkjMbciHAlgJ:www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/white.pdf+white+%2B+bath+%2B+cbc&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

Gee. It really seems the BFEE can fix lawsuits and judges and whatever else they need fixed in Texas.

* Not to be confused with John P. O'Neill, the former FBI hero of 9-11 who ran counterterror for the Bureau in NYC. He retired from the FBI and became head of security for the WTC. He perished in the 9-11 attacks.

[leesa]

47. Hey, give him a break...he doesn't remember where he was that day.

Poppy obviously has a faulty memory...at times.

[Doctor_J]

52. That's right. He's the only American alive that day who doesn't

remember where he was.

[dchill]

58. K&R

[Octafish]

69. Poppy doesn't want to have to answer the Question "Why?"

George Herbert Walker Bush doesn't want to have to answer the question:

"George Herbert Walker Bush: Why were you in Dallas on November 22, 1963?"

It might stir up some trouble for a certain "class" of Americans. The criminal class.

Perhaps that's why Rev. Moon, the Bushes and the rest of the NAZI turds are investing in Paraguay? Hope he has lots of TV there.

What Moon says about the Moonie Times and one of its flunkies:

WHAT MOON SAYS ABOUT GERTZ AND THE WASHINGTON TIMES:

True Father Reverend Sun Myung Moon

Sunday Morning Sermon
December 10, 2000 East Garden, New York

Excerpt:

When the time comes, it may just take a week to change the world. That's why I have been securing the media arm, radio, television and even the wire service. Imagine the five major media organizations opening their hearts and competing to broadcast my teachings. The world would be changed.

America is the most powerful country in the world. But its powerful leaders listen to the Washington Times. A statement from the Times can affect them dramatically. The government of other nations also listen to the Washington Times. Who at the Washington Times is having the biggest impact? Bill Gertz. How old is he? He is young. He only graduated from high school, joined the Washington Times and became famous. If you are a high school teacher, you should raise such students. If you are a college professor, you should become the most famous one in history.

SOURCE: http://www.usasurvival.org/ck06022002.shtml

Bush is a nutjob and he's ruining America and trying to destroy the world.

Don't worry about Bush and his cronies. They'll be safe and sound.

[Joanne98]

50. JFK and Texas Oilmen.....

Just before John F. Kennedy was assassinated he upset people like Clint Murchison and Haroldson L. Hunt when he talked about plans to submit to Congress a tax reform plan designed to produce about $185,000,000 in additional revenues by changes in the favourable tax treatment until then accorded the gas-oil industry. Kennedy was particularly upset that Hunt, who had an annual income of about $30,000,000, paid only small amounts of federal income tax.

Madeleine Brown claims that she was Johnson's mistress. In her autobiography, Texas in the Morning (1997) Brown claims that the conspiracy to kill Kennedy involved Lyndon B. Johnson and several Texas oil men including Clint Murchison, Haroldson L. Hunt and J. Edgar Hoover. This theory was supported by Craig Zirbel in his book The Texas Connection: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy (1991).

Joachim Joesten, an investigative journalist, believes that Johnson's secretary, Bobby Baker was involved in this plot: "The Baker scandal then is truly the hidden key to the assassination, or more exact, the timing of the Baker affair crystallized the more or less vague plans to eliminate Kennedy which had already been in existence the threat of complete exposure which faced Johnson in the Baker scandal provided that final impulse he was forced to give the go-ahead signal to the plotters who had long been waiting for the right opportunity."

In his book, JFK: The Second Plot (1992), Matthew Smith points out that: "The oil industry in Texas had enjoyed huge tax concessions since 1926, when Congress had provided them as an incentive to increase much needed prospecting. The oil depletion benefits were somehow left in place to become a permanent means by which immense fortunes were amassed by those in the industry and, well aware of the anomaly, John Kennedy had declared an intention to review the oil industry revenues. There was nothing in the world which would have inflamed the oil barons more than the President interfering with the oil depletion allowance."

In Dick Russell's book, The Man Who Knew Too Much (1992) Richard Case Nagell claimed the initial plan to assassinate President John F. Kennedy was financed by Haroldson L. Hunt and other individuals. The operation was to be performed by a anti-Castro group that included David Ferrie, Guy Banister and Clay Shaw. According to Nagell the conspirators believed that if they set-up Lee Harvey Oswald, a well-known supporter of Fidel Castro with links to the Soviet Union, the assassination would result in a full-scale war against Cuba.

In 2003 Barr McClellan published Blood, Money & Power: How LBJ Killed JFK. In the book McClellan argues that Lyndon B. Johnson and Edward Clark were involved in the planning and cover-up of the assassination of John F. Kennedy. McClellan also named Malcolm Wallace as one of the assassins. The killing of Kennedy was paid for by oil millionaires such as Clint Murchison and Haroldson L. Hunt. McClellan claims that Clark got $2 million for this work.

The assassination of Kennedy allowed the oil depletion allowance to be kept at 27.5 per cent. It remained unchanged during the Johnson presidency. According to McClellan this resulted in a saving of over 100 million dollars to the American oil industry. Soon after Johnson left office it dropped to 15 per cent.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKSinvestOil.htm

[Octafish]

89. The Wink

Thanks, Joanne98. That information is most troubling.

One name is at the axis of Big Oil, Wall Street, the Nazis, the Mafia, Anti-Castroites, the Military-Industrial Complex, and the CIA: That name is Bush.

Here's a bit on LBJ, the president who came up with the Warren Commission, allowed J Edgar Hoover to lie his eyes out, and did all possible to get the country to "move on" in regards to the assassination.

A conspiratorial wink if there ever was one:



Learn why that congressman is winking:

http://jameshudnall.com/archives/001569.html

[Imagevision]

53. JFK - MLK - RFK - 9-11, -> 41 defends 43 in the in the United Arab Emirates

"President Bush's father was forced into an emotional defense of his son yesterday in the Persian Gulf when an Arab audience launched a blistering surprise attack on his first-born.

"We do honor Americans, and I believe that they are highly respected in our country. However, we do not respect your son, and we do not respect what you are doing all over the world," college student Nevine Al Rumeisi told the former President at a leadership conference in the United Arab Emirates.

Her comment was roundly cheered by the business and political leaders gathered in once pro-American Abu Dhabi."

[Octafish]

94. Junior Bush Gives Saudi Sex Slaves the A-Okay

Thanks for noting that imporant article, Imagevision.

Poppy was surprised because he's done so much to help the Saudi monarchy.

Being nice to despots is a Bush Crime Family thing.

Bush Gives Saudi Sex Slaves the A-Okay

Associated Press, 9/21/05:

President Bush decided Wednesday to waive any financial sanctions on Saudi Arabia…for failing to do enough to stop the modern-day slave trade in prostitutes, child sex workers and forced laborers.

SOURCE (little help with full article):

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/23/bush-sex-slaves /

One royal family to another.

Not afraid to kill kids, either.

[goclark]

54. Thank you Octafish ~ Poppy has always been right in the middle

It is crystal clear to me.

[Octafish]

95. Bush Family Values: War, Wealth, Oil

Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh meeting with Averell Harriman and Vernon Walters.

One of the first things the Liberal Mossadegh as Prime Minister was to nationalize Iran's oil wealth.

It was also one of the last things Mossadegh did as Prime Minister, as the CIA and MI-5 overthrew him ASAFP.

Nice to hang out with people who know people.

Bush Family Values: War, Wealth, Oil

Four generations have created an unsavory web of links that could prove an election-year Achilles' heel for the president

by Kevin Phillips
February 8, 2004 by The Los Angeles Times

Four generations have created an unsavory web of links that could prove an election-year Achilles' heel for the president.

SNIP SADLY THERE'S SO MUCH THERE...

Washington lawyer Jack Blum, the ace investigator for Kerry's subcommittee back then, is said to be advising him now, which could be meaningful. Ironically, the Bush family's century of involvement in oil, armaments and global intrigue has never been at the center of the national debate since the Bushes starting running for president in 1980.

The reason? Insufficient public knowledge. The only Bush biography published before George H.W. Bush won election in 1988 was a puff job written by a former press secretary, and the biographies of George W. Bush in 2000 barely mentioned his forefathers. Millions of Republicans who have loyally voted for Bushes in three presidential elections simply have no idea. Here are circumstances and biases especially worth noting.

The Bushes and the military-industrial complex: George H. Walker and Samuel Prescott Bush were the dynasty's founding fathers during the years of and after World War I. Walker, a St. Louis financier, made his mark in corporate reorganizations and war contracts. By 1919, he was enlisted by railroad heir W. Averell Harriman to be president of Wall Street-based WA Harriman, which invested in oil, shipping, aviation and manganese, partly in Russia and Germany, during the 1920s. Sam Bush, the current president's other great-grandfather, ran an Ohio company, Buckeye Steel Castings, that produced armaments. In 1917, he went to Washington to head the small arms, ammunition and ordnance section of the federal War Industries Board. Both men were present at the emergence of what became the U.S. military-industrial complex.

Prescott Bush, the Connecticut senator and grandfather of the current president, had some German corporate ties at the outbreak of World War II, but the better yardstick of his connections was his directorships of companies involved in U.S. war production. Dresser Industries, for example, produced the incendiary bombs dropped on Tokyo and made gaseous diffusion pumps for the atomic bomb project. George H.W. Bush later worked for Dresser's oil-services businesses. Then, as CIA director, vice president and president, one of his priorities was the U.S. weapons trade and secret arms deals with Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and the moujahedeen in Afghanistan.

In his 1961 farewell address, President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned about how "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex." That complex's recent mega-leap to power came under George H.W. Bush and even more under George W. Bush — with the post-9/11 expansion of the military and creation of the Department of Homeland Security. But armaments and arms deals seem to have been in the Bushes' blood for nearly a century.

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-05.htm

Thank you for giving a damn, goclark. May justice get these puking war criminals behind bars.

[Rex]

57. The real reason the BFEE needs to keep records sealed and resealed.

Wasn't it in the 1980s that Congress swore to make public all the records from the Vietnam era? Funny how they didn't. Funny how GHB got his JFK and GWB got his 911. Funny in the head funny.

[Initech]

67. We need to demand investigations into everything

The Vietnam War, JFK, Nixon's resignation, Reagan, Bush, and Dim Son, these are all connected somehow. Once we find the missing link, we will be free.

[LibraLiz1973]

74. This should be mandatory viewing....

I recommend it!!

[Hotler]

76. After watching the video and reading the article in the

Guardian Unlimited "Did the CIA kill Bobby Kennedy?" Where and if do Morales, Jannides, and Campbell fit in? Were they in the room when Hunt started handing out maps and money. 5-6 shooters involved?

[bigriver]

79. Conspiracy theories Suck!

so do their peddlers.

[Octafish]

80. What theory? The FBI memos are facts. BUSH was in DALLAS on 22 Nov 1963.

Here are some more facts for you to chew on:

Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4813493

BTW: Welcome to DU, bigriver.

Thanks for adding.

[bigriver]

81. Um, what's photoshopping Bush's head on Oswald then?

Somethings are facts. Somethings are bullshit. Some people know the difference. That ability is called intelligence.

[Octafish]

82. Good catch. That's not Oswald's body, though.

Oswald said so, when shown the photos.

Of course he didn't get to mention that to his attorney, did he?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3488132719239248250

As it is an obvious photo-shop -- Poppy's head on the body of the fellow holding the Mannlicher-Carcano and the Red newspapers -- I was hoping even the dullest reader would know it is meant as sarcasm.

BTW: Why are you so eager to defend Bush?

He was in Dallas on 22 November 1963.

That's no conspiracy theory. That is fact, according to what George Herbert Walker Bush told the FBI.

Why doesn't Bush tell us why he was in Dallas that day?

Why do you think he was in Dallas?

[bigriver]

83. "He was in Dallas on 22 November 1963."

So were three million other people.

"Why do you think he was in Dallas?"

Why are the three million other people in Dallas?

"Why are you so eager to defend Bush?"

Why are you so eager to peddle your stuff?

[Octafish]

84. Why am I eager to peddle my "stuff" because it matters.

So, why are you so eager to defend Bush?

[bigriver]

85. Why does your "stuff" matter

if they are totally fabricated?

[libnnc]

86. thanks for your "doubting Thomas" routine

It keeps this thread kicked so that more people will have access to Octafish's important contributions to exposing the Bushes as the murderous thugs that they are.

You're doing a heck of a job!

<snicker>

[Connie_Corleone]

88. Thanks for kicking the thread.

I was barely on DU at all Wednesday and Thursday.

[Octafish]

87. Here's why JFK's assassination matters.

November 22, 1963 is the day President John F. Kennedy died. He was proud to be a Liberal Democrat in the tradition of the Democratic Party of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and President Harry S Truman.

These leaders were statesmen, who believed in using the powers of government to make ours a better nation for ALL Americans. Liberal Democrats believe in the Constitution where it says:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

There were 1,036 days from Jan. 20, 1961 to November 22, 1963. That’s 24,864 hours or 1,491,840 minutes or 89,510,400 seconds.

The period’s been called the thousand days of Camelot. Really just a blink of an eye, for America it means more than that. It truly was a legendary time and America truly was a magical place — a place where anything was possible.

Consider what President Kennedy worked to achieve: He raised the minimum wage, cut taxes, kept America from nuclear annihilation twice, maintained world peace, set about to bring equal rights for all Americans, got the country to invest in the arts and education, and set out to do the impossible — land an American on the Moon and return him safely to the Earth. He did all that in a thousand days.

A thousand days. That is not much time considering how much JFK accomplished. And President Kennedy used each day to make ours a better nation for ALL Americans.

My, how things have changed. Here’s a bit of reality programming — what’s happened in the 14,869 days since November 22, 1963:

• Vietnam
• Guatemala
• Chile
• Watergate
• October Surprise
• El Salvador
• Reagan Survives Hinckley and Bush
• Voodoo Economics
• INSLAW/Promis
• Haiti
• Iraq-gate / Banca Nazionale del Lavoro arms
• BCCI International Money Laundering for Terrorists & Intelligence Community
• Savings & Loan scandal in general and Silverado in particular
• Iran-contra Guns/Drugs/Martial Law
• Gulf War I Glaspie Gives Go-Ahead
• Selection 2000 Shreds US Constitution
• Tax Cuts for UltraRich
• Criminal Justice Department
• Suicidal Environmental Policy
• ENRON Energy Policy
• 9-11 Criminal Negligence, at best; Treason, most likely
• Illegal Iraq Invasion

It’s interesting in reviewing the above list, just how much conservative neo-con corrupt Republican leadership has really been a Contract On America. The list demonstrates there have been puhlenty of business opportunities in the finance, energy, and defense industries; But, that brief listing doesn’t sound like it’s been a good deal for the average American for the past four decades.

And while there have been occasional flashes of the old Democratic magic in the administrations of James Earl Carter and William Jefferson Clinton, the fact of the matter is things haven’t really been the same since JFK’s leadership.

While times may change, one name runs through all the history, the four decades since the JFK administration. Since the very hour of President Kennedy’s death, and through the list of sinister events and unrelenting nefarity noted above — a record of infamy stretching back 40 years, 8 months and 16 days — appears the name George Herbert Walker Bush.

-- Octafish


PS: I would follow a man like JFK.

I will never follow men like Prescott Bush, George Herbert Walker Bush or George Walker Bush.

Why you feel so inclinded is beyond me, bigriver.

[TheUnspeakable]

104. kick this thread and add-my RW sister saw "Bobby!!"

we have been fighting for 6 years about politics. She is a sweet woman, but her hubby is a big Limbaugh fan-she and I have NEVER fought about anything but this. Whenever I tried to inform her about the BFEE, she acted like I was nuts. well, I ask her "what did you think of Bobby?" (expecting the worst)and she says "I love him-I don't know what it was, but I just LOVED him.I was crying at the end" then she says-"Who do you think killed him? and what about his brother?" well.....
I told her everything I could think of -the Bay of Pigs, the FBI memo, etc. I explained that's why I am so passionate about all this. She kept asking questions,(a first!) it was great-I have hope!

[Rex]

96. The trolls must be scared.

Rarely do they leave the protection of the forest. :rofl:

[rman]

99. I think this one was lost

Which troll in his right mind would attempt to debate octafish on the topic of BFEE and the JFK assassination?

[DemonFighterLives]

100. Sad thing is that I'll bet that troll never learned one thing

What causes people to close their mind to what is going on around them?
The official line is just fine!
:dem:

[rman]

101. I don't think they're here to learn,

but rather to 'teach'.

[DemonFighterLives]

103. Well they must be piss poor teachers

cause I never learn a darn thing. :rofl:

[LibraLiz1973]

91. It's true. Some THINGS are facts.. and Some THINGS are B.S.

That being said, are you seriously saying you believe that only one man was responsible for the death of President Kennedy?

Anyone who believes that has never really explored the facts. Oswald was just one man - he wasn't able to order the Secret Service to stand down that day... along with the many, many others strange things that all happened to make it easier to kill Kennedy.

[DemonFighterLives]

92. I would love to hear your theory

Not.
Peddle your crap somewhere else!
:dem:

[rman]

98. Why?

Do you think there are no conspiracies?

If you do think there are no conspiracies, that's naive.
If you think there are conspiracies, then why do you say that people who think about conspiracies suck?

[Sugarcoated]

97. Great stuff!

Makes ya :think:

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[Octafish]

112. 2006: Challenge to lone gunman theory

News of the case continues to be made. For decades, people have believed the FBI's "neutron activation analysis" to show all the bullet fragments could be tied to "Oswald's rifle." Some brave scientists don't think so...

Challenge to lone gunman theory

By Betsy Mason
CONTRA COSTA TIMES

LIVERMORE - More than four decades after his death, John F. Kennedy's assassination remains the hottest cold case in U.S. history, and the clues continue to trickle in. Now Lawrence Livermore Laboratory scientists say a key piece of evidence supporting the lone gunman theory should be thrown out.

A new look at clues gleaned from studies of crime-scene bullet fragments shows they may have been misinterpreted.

"It basically shatters what some people call the best physical evidence around," said chemist Pat Grant, director of the lab's Forensic Science Center.

Grant and Livermore Lab metallurgist Erik Randich found that the chemical "fingerprints" used to identify which bullets the fragments came from are actually more like run-of-the-mill tire tracks than one-of-a-kind fingerprints.

SNIP...

By analyzing years of data kept by lead smelters, Randich found that batches are not unique, and bullets from different batches of bullets poured months or years apart could have the same chemical signature. And bullets poured from the start of a batch could differ slightly, but measurably, from those at the end.

CONTINUED...

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/15321194.htm

Thanks for giving a damn, Sugarcoated!

[Alamom]

102. Thank you. I had not seen this thread either. I have read some of

it before, but not everything you have here.

I hope I live to see the day when everyone knows what really happened and the true killers are punished.
I guess that's wishful thinking.

Thank you again, Octafish and everyone who has contributed information to this thread.

[Sugarcoated]

105. I'm kicking this thread again because it's fabulous

:kick:

[Karenina]

106. Me too!

:kick:

[bobthedrummer]

107. Sunday kick #3

:dem:

[Me.]

108. Thank You Octafish For Another BFEE Thread

I copy all of these for the info is invaluable and anyone who doesn't recognize that doesn't know anything from shinola. There may come a day when this is common knowledge, until that day, soldier on.

[Octafish]

113. Thanks, Me. Have you seen these?

Truly appreciate you giving a damn, Me. Thank you for understanding "Why?"



IMO JMH

Know your BFEE Log


Know your BFEE: Robert Gates did more than keep the doors open at BCCI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2810465&mesg_id=2810465

Know your BFEE: The Fellowship ‘Preys’ for America

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2591203&mesg_id=2591203


Sink the BFEE: Foley gives us Congress. Condi sends 'em to prison.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2401056


Beat the BFEE: Poppy’s CIA warned about terror plots and did not stop them

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2418621


Know your BFEE: Los Amigos de Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2214484


Know your BFEE: Neil Bush hangs out with Russian Mafiya Godfather

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2082945


Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush was in Dallas the day JFK was assassinated.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1946852


Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn’t win WWII, so they backed Bushes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1547206&mesg_id=1547206


Know your BFEE: At every turn, JFK was opposed by War Party

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1366764


Know your BFEE: Lies Are the Currency of Their Realm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1170858


Know your BFEE: Cheney & Halliburton Sold Iran Nuke Technology

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=928662


Know your BFEE: The Stench of Moussaoui Permeates the Octopus

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=757860&mesg_id=757860


Know your BFEE: Moussaoui Must Die for Bush and 'His' Government

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=602016


Know your BFEE: Alito is just another word for Mussolini

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=266685


What the heck, this belongs here, too:

BFEE Turd Daniel Pipes tied to DANISH CARTOONS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=417774


Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=133897


Know your BFEE: The China-Bush Axis

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5333644


Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5280903


Know your BFEE: Libby Is the First Big BFEE Turd to Go Down

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5233814


Know your BFEE: WHIG (White House Iraq Group) made phony case for Iraq War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5077403


Know your BFEE: The Secret Government

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5027094


Know your BFEE: Reinhard Gehlen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4863411&mesg_id=4863411


Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4813493


Know your BFEE: Killer Businessmen who put Power and Profit before Country

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4401300


Know your BFEE: Nixon Threatened to Nuke Vietnam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3953519


Know your BFEE: Corrupt Craftsmen Hoover and Dulles

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3908104


Know your BFEE: Poppy’s CIA Made Saddam Into the Butcher of Baghdad

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3853409


Know your BFEE: Hitler’s Bankers Shaped Vietnam War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3832033&mesg_id=3832033&page=


Know your BFEE: Merchants of Death

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3743890


Know your BFEE: R. James Woolsey, Turd of War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3699042


Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3627538


Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3601654


Know your BFEE: James R Bath – Bush – bin Laden Link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3571293&mesg_id=3571293&page=


Know your BFEE: War Profiteers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3493251


Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5280903


Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3355939


Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2788428


Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3312956


Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2511192


Know your BFEE: The Barreling Bushes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2472759


Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2748315


Know your BFEE: How Smirko Got Rich

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2529964


Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2956067


Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2414083


Know your BFEE: George W Bush Knew 9-11 Was Coming and Did NOTHING!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2404049


Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2396787


Know your BFEE: Pat Robertson Incorporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2397004



These aren’t labeled “Know Your BFEE,” but they’re meant in the same spirit:

Poppy Bush Involved in JFK Assassination -- BFEE's Spooked!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3274455


Vietnam and Iraq Wars Started by Same People

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3193142


JFK Would NEVER Have Fallen for Phony INTEL!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5501005&mesg_id=5501005


Plame Affair makes clear: USA is run by TRAITORS.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4200507


BFEE Is More than Capable of Bombing Their Own Countrymen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4045149

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x46709


A Short History of Conspiracy Theory

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4086438


And for Me, blm, bobthedrummer, DrDebug, cosmicdot, seemslikeadream
and a whole lot of DUers
at work shining light on the BFEE:



Taming of Evil
2000, by Renata Pabulinkas
oil on canvas, 58 x 62-inches

[Me.]

114. Wow!

Thanks. I truly believe there will be a day in the future when this info will be needed to tell the truth in regards to the history of our times. And here it all is. I have a lot of them but not all.

[Megahurtz]

109. That guy is One EVIL Fuck. n/t