In the end, we could not move them. Now, can we REmove them?

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

Do we, as a cohesive group of people, exert enough real-world power that we can actually make a difference and get these traitors removed from office? I really hope so, but face it- they ignored us, they lied to us, and they ended up betraying us without so much as a backward glance. It would appear they are still at the beck and call of major money greater forces than we can muster.

I hope I'm wrong.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. You're 150,000% wrong.

But I'm doubting you really want to understand why. No one else seems to.

[EST]

2. Given your strong grasp of modern mathmatics,

perhaps you'd care to enlighten us?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

6. here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x279471

[Burning Water]

9. Interesting take.

It matches mine almost exactly.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

3. It's as simple as a YEA or NAY.

I DO understand the damage that has been done to my country, and the fact that this was pivotal- the country I was born into and raised in went up in smoke yesterday. The sound of what happened Monday afternoon will reverberate well beyond my lifetime, and yours.

Are you sure I'm the one who's wrong here?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

5. Yes, I'm quite sure of it.

Yesterday had nothing to do with money. It had everything to do with constituents.

[Talismom]

4. I think that's all that's left for us to do--tear them down and put in

real team players. As much as I hate their values and loyalties, the repukes at least know how to function as a political party. The DLC and many of the other dems act like heads of little feifdoms with the only goal being getting reelected and gathering personal power and wealth. Don't ask them to stick their necks out for other dems who are putting themselves on the line for real values--for the good of the party and the people of the US. We need to work very locally, maybe for decades to come, to unseat the corporatists of both parties and to seat real populists. Get ready to work for the long haul, or just give up because there are no quick fixes and backing alternative democratic candidates won't "loose elections" for dems in the near future--'cause we aren't gonna be winning anything significant and turning things around anytime real soon. In fact, I'm gonna be lucky to live to see it when and if it does happen.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

7. Power is a very cohesive force

So few seem to understand that.

Just look at how cohesive they are becoming with Bush's power waning.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

10. Here's a quote to illustrate my point about power:

"(Republicans) simply have too much power. . . . Republicans have abused that power badly over the past several years."



- Rep. Jeff Flake (R-AZ), in USA Today, 1/9/06

[Burning Water]

8. "Do we... exert enough power that we can...

get these traitors removed from office?"

No, we don't. But maybe after 2006. I wouldn't count on it, though. It took a long time for the RW to gain enough traction to begin the reversal of the New Deal. It may take us as long.