I think Karl Rove is posting on DU

[IronLionZion]

Here are the courageous 25 who stood up for what is right on filibustering Alito.
Kerry-MA
Kennedy-MA
Feingold-WI
Obama-IL
Schumer-NY
Clinton-NY
Dayton-MN
Reid-NV
Reed-RI
Boxer-CA
Feinstein-CA
Biden-DE
Lautenburg-NJ
Menendez-NJ
Bayh-IN
Sarbenes-MD
Murkowski-MD
Stabenow-MI
Levin-MI
Wyden-OR
Jeffords-VT
Leahy-VT

Interesting group of names, yes? Notice there are several threads here advocating removal of some of the above patriots, especially Harry Reid.

If we really want to help Rove, we can simply remove all Democrats and be done with it. Think about it.

[janx]

1. Yes!

I'm amazed at what I see today.

And I have a question: Would a filibuster really have stopped the Alito vote? Doubtful. What the 25 senators did was done out of a sense of duty and principle, and that is to be commended. People who care just have to keep communicating with their senators, and if their senators don't respond, vote for someone else!

[Pirate Smile]

10. I take it you weren't around last night.

;-)

[janx]

17. No--I looked at the board yesterday at work, but only

for a little while (I was AT WORK, after all). ;-)

Look, the filibuster would have been a good thing theoretically, but it wouldn't have stopped Alito's nomination, would it?

[Pirate Smile]

19. I agree. He was getting in whichever way it went. I thought more

people understood that.

[janx]

21. So did I--

those who voted against cloture did not do so in a real effort to block the nomination; they knew it was impossible to do so.

Maybe this will prove to be a good education for people. The only way we can avoid such things in the future is to elect good people, from the bottom up, to represent us. Only when we have enough in Congress doing so will any sanity be restored.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

2. Nicely done.

Too many people here act in spur of the moment absolutes. Some of the "heroes" on that list have been "traitorous scum" in the past.

[rodeodance]

3. is there a contact list for these 25 whereby we can send them THANKS?

[Wordie]

30. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x283486

[rodeodance]

4. Kick-

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. I think Bayh must have figured out he couldn't get the nomination

without us, rather than having true opposition. I heard him speak on C-SPAN and he is no liberal. At the time, he also said that he did not believe that B** et al did anything wrong to win the election. No way I would vote for him.

[rocktivity]

6. That's what Sam Seder said On Air America last night

He pointed out that every Dem who is considered a contender for the '08 presidency is on that list. And he said WE made that happen, so though we lost, we didn't fail.

And speaking of Dems and Air America, Russ Feingold really cheered me up this morning. He told Rachel Maddow that Repubs see Dems as having a "pre-9/11 mindset," but he saw the Repubs as having a "pre-1776 mindset!"

:headbang:
rocknation

[Laura PourMeADrink]

8. I disagree w/ him - we don't gain from a politically expedient vote

I want someone to vote against Alito because they care about the cause from the depths of their very souls, not as a calculated political move.

[Wordie]

33. Politics and soul aren't necessarily mutally exclusive.

It can be a case of caring about a cause from the depths of their very souls AND a political move, all at the same time. And in the case of the filibuster effort, I think it's likely that it was both, in some cases. But that's not a bad thing. We can't expect politicians not to think like politicians. They wouldn't be where they are if they didn't think that way.

It's only those whose actions are completely politically expedient that make me angry. The traitor Dems may fit into that category.

[dalaigh lllama]

18. repubs with pre-1776 mindset!

I LOVE it!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

And best of all... IT'S SO TRUE!

[Pirate Smile]

13. Bayh votes against Presidential nominees/appointees more

frequently then Finegold - at least that is what I've noticed.

I believe they apply different standards.

This isn't as unusual for Bayh as it seems.

Just my opinion.

[Divernan]

7. One thread to dump Maria Cantwell; that would put Big Insurance R in Sen.

I just replied at length to this cutsey post about dumping Sen.Maria Cantwell(Washington).
Of course, since there is no primary opponent, that leaves Washingtonians with her Republican opponent, telegenic insurance company exec, McGavick, who has plenty of campaign cash from Big Oil. Big Oil is furious that Senator Cantwell buttonholed enough colleagues to block the ANWR drilling item Sen. Ted Stevens (R, Alaska) tried to sneak through in the budget bill last December.

As the current issue of The Economist describes her, Senator Cantwell is a "gutsy dotcom lady with a fight on her hands." The state GOP chairman is working hard to depict her as an "obstructionist", and this judicial vote is therefore very touchy for her. If her vote wouldn't have been enough to prevent cloture, she would have been foolish to vote against it, and give her opponenets more ammo to call her obstructionist.

[Saturday]

9. I only count 22 on your list.

What about Durbin - IL????

[Wordie]

31. Here's the complete list, incl. Jeffords (I-ME) & Harkin (D-IA: abstained)

Democratic Senators Voting NAY
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)

Independent Senator voting NAY
Jeffords (I-VT)

Democratic Senator ABSTENTION
Harkin (D-IA)

Although I also may be missing one. Wasn't there a Republican who voted "NO" too? Was it Chafee?

[IronLionZion]

35. Chafee voted YES to cloture, NO to confirmation of Scalito

aka Chafee was against the filibuster, but also against Alito

[Wordie]

36. Aaahh, I was right not to include him then. That didn't help at all. eom

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Brave Maria also voted for Bush's war. She won't get my vote.

[madrchsod]

11. i survived the carnage last night ,

actually it was worse than the big fight scene in kill bill. i have thinking about some of the posts it seemed alot of people did not understand what was happening.many got into pissing contests , other assorted beatdowns,and last but not least-"the sky is falling". after reading some historical persectives today,i feel we actually did win a major battle yesterday. 25 democrats said no! now check on how many democrats voted for fat tony...and this is when the were in controll democrats.

[Matariki]

14. only 22 names on your list

you also forgot Murray

[IronLionZion]

16. you're right

I got the list of patriots from this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x272625

[izzybeans]

15. My favorite DU moments happen when you get two threads on the

forum interface one right after the other that read something like this.

"Call and thank Harry Reid for his principled stand."
"Call and tell harry Reid he's a traitorous asshole."

Telling that this is a bigger tent than the rightwingnuts pretend, but also telling as to the reactionary emotion that causes such a schizoid response to defeat. Some folks get their bubble burst and all momentum stops. Keep writing your congressperson.

Insert your favorite dems name in these two subject lines and you're probably reproducing a moment that actually occured here.


Here's a Thank You to these Senators! Now is time to start rebuilding. There is a strong and powerful foundation remaining to build from. One of them was our freakin' nominee last election cycle. Convince the rest that pragmatic responses to the electorate include principled stands for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and not waffling responses to a fear about how you vote. Pragmatic politics is not chasing the vote, but making the vote chase you. Principled leaders attract voting blocs. Waffling electioneers scramble for their support. We have 24 principled leaders. Keep them powerful and the rest will come around. The battle is now over the legislature, and then again over the executive branch. We lost the court. Move on.

[IronLionZion]

24. That's happening right now on this Alito bullshit

Call and thank Harry for supporting the filibuster
Call and tell Harry he's a traitor for letting the filibuster fail.



Ultimately, it's only symbolic. There's nothing we can do to stop them from packing the courts with lunatics. They'll just appoint some other lunatic and we'll start all over again.

IMHO, I'm glad these 25 did what they did, but Kerry's effort to get healthcare for all children is of way more importance and obviously more effective. Alito is just an emotional issue. Judges will retire or keel over eventually and a Democratic president can appoint a liberal replacement and a Democratic Senate can approve him/her. Neither will happen with a collective defeatist/elitist attitude.

put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[IronLionZion]

20. Add Murray, Durbin, and Dodd

my apologies, now the list is 25.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/28/1420/46748

[Sparkman]

22. Party LOYALTY when the issue is so correct should be the last word.

Those who chicken out on this crucial issue of SCOTUS packing by the Fascists, MUST DRIVE OUR VOTES AT THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY. This is middle of the road politics, and in the first ruling by Alito, or the second or the third, our liberty will be curtailed. That's my prediction, and let's see if the obvious can convince the public after the fact.
Remember how popular the Iraq War was?
Or the current administration?
All the while the truth tellers persevered, and Ralph Nader, John Dean, Dennis Kucinich, Jessie Jackson, Noam Chomsky, Cindy Shehan, and many others were proven to have gotten it right.

Safe or right? Looks like these twenty-five Senators, men and women of principal, invested in U.S.

[QC]

23. No, but Henny Penny is posting here. n/t

[IronLionZion]

25. And the defeatist elitist too

I wouldn't be surprised if Sam Alito himself were posting here.

[IronLionZion]

26. kick

:kick:

[ginnyinWI]

27. Exactly!

You have to go to Congress with the Dems you have, not the Dems you wish you had!

I'm so proud of the above 25, though--they are clearly the Cream of the Crop!!

[mountainvue]

28. Think about how far we've come.

We had one senator willing to challenge election results. that's up from zero in 2000. Now we've got 25 who are willing to stand up for the constitution. The way I look at it, their numbers are only going to grow from here.

[applegrove]

29. People like Saddam Hussein & Hitler always spread multi-ple

versions of "reality" so that the body politic breaks up into small - bickering groups. They tribalize.

Brits used to do that too when they were colonial. It stops democracy. Saudis use that too in the middle east.

[RoyGBiv]

32. Oh, that's good ...

Excellent observation.

[dave29]

34. If Karl Rove posted here, that would be HUGH!1!!

i MEAn Im series2!2!!!11