OAXACA: 7th MegaMarch Today, violence Likely

[Wiley50]

http://mexico.indymedia.org/show_image.php?id=4503

In a press conference given today by the APPO at 2pm at the encampment in Santo Domingo, spokespersons affirmed that they will continue implementing the plan of action as agreed upon with the Seventh MegaMarch which will leave from the Casa del Gobierno en Santa María Coyotepec tomorow, November 25th, and 10am, heading towards the zócalo to surround the PFP and reiterate their principle demands.



Advisors of the APPO will be shields in the today march

OCTAVIO VELEZ ASCENCIO CORRESPONDENT

Oaxaca, Oax., 24 of November. The Popular Assembly of the Towns of Oaxaca (APPO) announced that before the violence risk, his more than 200 state advisors they will become shields of security during the march that will carry out this Saturday and the cordoning off that during 48 hours will carry out to the agents of Polici'a Federal Preventiva (PFP), quartered around the socle.

The manifestation, to demand the resignation of Ulises governor Ruiz and the retirement of the federal forces of the organization, will leave to the 10 hours the house of government, located on the wagon City German-Port Angel, and will culminate in the Historical Center, affirmed Caesar Mateos Benítez, spokesman of the organization.

It indicated that a great number of agents of the PFP began to let the socle to settle in the stage of futbol Benito Juárez, in the conurbado municipality of Santa Lucia of the Way, and to place detents in the Cuacnopalan-Oaxaca superhighway, in the municipality of Nochixtlán, located to 80 kilometers of the State Capital, and in the house of Huitzo collection, to about 25 kilometers, in order to try to prevent the enter the city of supporters of the popular movement.

It said that the APPO "has discovered a series of actions" of the PFP for "generating violence and a confrontation", in order to repress the demonstrators. An unusual movement of troops exists, "to perhaps take positions outside the socle with the intention to attack to the companions of megamarcha during its passage or when it is being surrounded", it added.

It exposed that more than 200 advisors "they will be in forward edge" kind and vigilant to avoid any aggression of the PFP or "infiltrated provocations of or priístas groups".

It said in addition that the speakers identified like Alexis and Marco Tulio, both of the citizen radio, operated by compatible priístas the governor, "are summoning to attack" to those who participates in the mobilization. They have called to his followers "to throw hot water and acid muriatic" to the supporters of the APPO, it needed.

On the other hand, the APPO last night declared missing Caesar Mateos Benítez, one of their spokesmen, and Jorge Luis Insipid Fields, member of the organization, after extending that both were stopped by agents of the PFP and the police Ministerial and Preventive of the state.

The spokesman and his companion would have been captured around the 20:30 hours in the environs of the camping located in the vestibule of the temple of Santo Domingo de Guzmán. Members of the state advice of the APPO called to the cellular telephone of Mateos Benítez to know their whereabouts, without obtaining answer.

[EFerrari]

1. Be safe, everyone.

:kick:

[rman]

2. "a series of actions of the PFP for generating violence and a confrontation"

This is entirely according to expectations.

Unfortunately it is very difficult to guard against it.

[EFerrari]

3. It's just amazing that the protesters have avoided as much violence

as they have.

They deserve ALL the credit in the world.

[rman]

4. the link in the OP does not work

it brings up a page with a text identical to the url of the link...

[Wiley50]

5. Sorry. That's all I've Got so far

But the day is young

[rman]

7. i'll keep an eye on this thread

[Greyhound]

6. K & R

for the lesson in fighting for honest elections. :kick:

[Wiley50]

8. I Found A Site Doing Play By Play All Day

Only Thing Is It's In Spanish

http://www.oaxacalibre.org/libertad/

You can get a rough translation
by entering the URL into

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr

My HS spanish hasn't returned yet
so that's what I do

[Jcrowley]

9. Keep us posted

K&R

[Wiley50]

10. OK> We've Got The First Reports Of Fighting

Thousands of APPO people surrounding the Zocalo
Priistas acting as provocatuers
and the PFP...?

I'm on it.

Updares as available

[Wiley50]

11. PHOTOS OF TODAY'S MEGAMARCH

http://www.oaxacalibre.org/oax06/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=842&g2

http://www.oaxacalibre.org/oax06/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=845&g2

http://www.oaxacalibre.org/oax06/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=847&g2

http://www.oaxacalibre.org/oax06/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=849&g2

http://www.oaxacalibre.org/oax06/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=851&g2

http://www.oaxacalibre.org/oax06/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=853&g2

http://www.oaxacalibre.org/oax06/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=855&g2

http://www.oaxacalibre.org/oax06/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=857&g2

http://www.oaxacalibre.org/oax06/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=859&g2

http://www.oaxacalibre.org/oax06/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=861&g2

[Wiley50]

12. Just Click on 'em. Don't know why they don't just appear n/t

[lonestarnot]

119. Excellent pics!

[RadiDem]

122. K&R Viva La Revolucion!

[MoseyWalker]

13. please keep everyone updated and

thanks!

[Wiley50]

14. Heavy Fighting Reported At Zocalo, Now

I'm Listening to Radio Universidad via Internet

People are calling in via cell phone

Paniced voices

Gunshots in background
Don't know if it's teargas or rifles

SHIT all hell is breaking loose!

Wish I understood spanish enough
to know what is goin on

Looking for updates in english

[MoseyWalker]

15. is that a section of

Mexico City?

That would be bad, if so.

[Wiley50]

17. No, That is the Cental Square in Oaxaca n/t

[MoseyWalker]

18. just did some more research

and should have known.

My woman friend is very concerned, as some relative in laws reside there. I was trying to get her to translate your provided link, but she got too anxious.

Thanks for your information. Very much appreciated!

[Wiley50]

16. Lots of explosions and teargas, around the zocalo.

[Wiley50]

19. Confrontations and Teargas

Actually CS Gas: a nerve gas outlawed by Geneva
Guess they think it's OK on Civilians

Everything's sketchy so far

Not a lot of info in english

[Wiley50]

20. church bell's ringing, explosions, tear gas... n/t

[Wiley50]

21. IF YOU CAN ALERT FORIEGN PRESS< DO SO NOW!

The plan to surround the zocalo went without incident until the PFP started shooting tear gas. I saw shooters on the roof earlier in the afternoon. According to the radio at 5:15 PM, the attacks were provoked by PRI in plain clothes. I also saw a lot of people hanging around who did not look like the APPO, i.e., they wereyoung, punk, mostly drunk and carrying bottles.
The APPO are asking for assistance to confront the attacks, allegedly by ministerial police and plainclothes municipal police.

Those who can alert foreign press might do that right now.

[MoseyWalker]

22. I hope this gets picked up quickly

my woman friend is watching the two spanish language channels on the cable. One is showing boxing, and the other has no mention of Oaxaca.

[EFerrari]

28. Or try mail @ democracynow.org. n/t

[stillcool]

23. K & R,,,

[Wiley50]

24. MAJOR FIGHTING

Reporting that in all the western zone of the city, in the colonias
of vasconcelos, 5 señores, sandoval, lopez portillo, they are
experiencing a strong stinging in the eyes and burning sensation to
the throat, due to the gas the PFP are throwing in the air of this
zone, affecting the respiratory system of children, older people and
sick people...

18:08 Reportan que en toda la zona oriente de la ciudad, en las
colonias vasconcelos, 5 señores, sandoval, lopez portillo, se está
sintiendo un fuerte ardor en los ojos y picante en la garganta, por
que los gases que está lanzando la PFP están llegando con el aire a
esa zona, con lo que resultarán afectados niños, ancianos y personas
enfermas de las vías respiratorias

Very strong confrontations continue in the center of the city. They
are saying that brigades of federal police (PFP) are coming from the
stadium. The PFP attacks are very strong, but people are yet again
resisting very strong.

18:05 Siguen los enfrentamientos muy fuertes en el centro. Decían
que iban brigadas de la PFP desde el estadio. Los ataques de la PFP
están siendo muy fuertes, pero la gente también está resistiendo muy
fuerte

source: radio Universidad.

[Wiley50]

25. CONFRONTATION CONTINUES, LACK OF MED PERSONEL

Radio Universidad is asking people in the areas of siete principes to go
east. In Colon and Melchor Ocampo the air is strong with gas. So the
RAdio is asking people to go to higher ground and more east, to avoid
the toxic effects of the gas

18:17 La gente que está por el área de siete principes se le pide
que se acerque al lado poniente. En Colon y Melchor Ocampo el aire
está muy fuerte. Se pide a la gente que se posiciones en las partes
más altas del lado poniente, para evitar ser intoxicados por los
gases.

Radio Universidad is asking to begin urgent actions across the country
to stop the agression that is happening in Oaxaca.

18:19 se pide realizar acciones urgentes en todo el país para detener
la agresión que se está llevando a cabo en Oaxaca.

People of Oaxaca are reporting that the types of gas are different and
very potent. The gas has a pink colour. The PFP is advancing.

18:22 La gente en Oaxaca reporta que los gases son distintos y más
potentes. Los gases son de color rosa. La PFP sigue avanzando

Two people have been reported wounded by projectiles of tear gas.

18:23 se tienen registradas dos personas heridas por proyectil de
granada de gas lacrimógeno

Radio Universidad of Oaxaca calls on neighbours to go down to give
support to the people that are being attacked.

18:25 Llama radio universidad de Oaxaca a los vecinos a bajar a apoyar a
la gente que está siendo agredida

There is a lack of medical personal, the confrontation continues, we
have various wounded.

18:30 Hacen falta médicos, el enfrentamiento continua, habemos varios
heridos

source: Radio Universidad and witnesses.

[MoseyWalker]

26. gracias

gracias por la informacion.

[MoseyWalker]

27. more

babelfish translation:

la PFP avanza hasta el cine club el Pochote, los integrantes de la APPO se repliegan. Se reportan "personas" que desde taxis disparan gases a los manisfestantes que se están replegando.

18:30 Avanza la PFP sobre Alcalá y Garcia Vigil, la APPO se está replegando. Hay negocios encendidos, por el humo y el gas, la visibilidad es casi cero

edit:

the PFP advances until the cinema club the Pochote, the members of the APPO fall back. "people" report themselves who from taxis shoot gases to the manisfestantes that are falling back. 18:30 Avanza the PFP on Alcala and Garcia Vigil, the APPO is falling back. There are ignited businesses, by the smoke and the gas, the visibility is almost zero.

[EFerrari]

30. "It is reported that people fire gas from taxis

at the demonstrators who are falling back."

Oh crap. :(

[Wiley50]

29. Teargas sounds innocent. It's Not!. It's CS GAS!!

On the subject of CS gas. It is classified as a chemical warfare
>agent and is banned by the Geneva Convention for use in war. I
>guess that makes it ok to use on civilian populations, however.
>Unfortunately, it is common to use the generic term "tear gas"
>when talking about any type of gas used by the police. We should
>be very clear about our language when this is discussed. Like,
>"the police used CS gas, a chemical warfare agent banned by
>Geneva Convention in war, to disperse the crowd".
>
>Due to its massive use in Seattle in 1999 a lot of research was
>conducted to search out studies regarding its toxic effects on
>the human body. Carcinogenic, teratogenic and mutagenic were
>some of the terms that came to the surface.
>
>A google search yields the following:
>
>http://www.phrusa.org/research/chemical_weapons/chemjam...
>
>http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0302-03.htm
>
>http://www.answers.com/topic/cs-gas
>
>http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2001-05-17/news_story5...
>
>Anyway, as far as I am concerned, the use of CS gas is a
>violation of human rights. This is what should be made clear
>whenever it is deployed.
>

[MoseyWalker]

31. Could be good news? and, not good news at the same time.

e reporta que la PFP se está replegando al zocalo, previamente quemaron nuevamente el campamento instalado en Santo Domingo

previously and it reports that the PFP is falling back to zocalo, burned again the camping installed in Santo Domingo

[Selatius]

32. I hope Zocalo Square won't become another Tiananmen Square

One time is enough.

[lonestarnot]

33. Me too!

[EFerrari]

36. There was a massacre of students in Mexico in 1968:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=379x752

[MoseyWalker]

34. try and imagine

hundreds, if not thousands of people marching in the streets demanding fair elections and true democracy.

It can't happen here?

These people are REAL people fighting for their beliefs.

Right now.

Not a tv movie.

Right now. Real.

Just wanted to clarify.

[Jcrowley]

35. Kick

[cal04]

37. Reuters:Mexican police clash with protesters in Oaxaca

Riot police firing tear gas clashed with protesters launching fireworks and throwing Molotov cocktails on Saturday in the strife-torn city of Oaxaca.

At least two protesters were injured, local radio said.

The violence began when hundreds of activists demanding that a state governor resign tried to surround federal police occupying the colonial city's central square.

Federal authorities forced their way into the city last month in an attempt to end a six-month conflict that has killed more than a dozen people.

The protesters had taken over much of Oaxaca City, putting up roadblocks and driving out local police in a bid to force the removal of Gov. Ulises Ruiz, whom they say is corrupt.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N25328815.htm

[EFerrari]

39. IndyMedia Mexico reports they are using tear gas, pepper spray

water cannons, something they call "chile piquin" (some other kind of irritant?), and some kind of pellets or rubber bullets ("canicas").

[Wiley50]

73. It's Not TEARGAS!

Teargas sounds innocent. It's Not!. It's CS GAS!!

On the subject of CS gas. It is classified as a chemical warfare
>agent and is banned by the Geneva Convention for use in war. I
>guess that makes it ok to use on civilian populations, however.
>Unfortunately, it is common to use the generic term "tear gas"
>when talking about any type of gas used by the police. We should
>be very clear about our language when this is discussed. Like,
>"the police used CS gas, a chemical warfare agent banned by
>Geneva Convention in war, to disperse the crowd".
>
>Due to its massive use in Seattle in 1999 a lot of research was
>conducted to search out studies regarding its toxic effects on
>the human body. Carcinogenic, teratogenic and mutagenic were
>some of the terms that came to the surface.
>
>A google search yields the following:
>
>http://www.phrusa.org/research/chemical_weapons/chemjam ...
>
>http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0302-03.htm
>
>http://www.answers.com/topic/cs-gas
>
>http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2001-05-17/news_story5 ...
>
>Anyway, as far as I am concerned, the use of CS gas is a
>violation of human rights. This is what should be made clear
>whenever it is deployed.
>

[Judi Lynn]

113. It probably shouldn't be a shock if they eventually bring out new weapons

like the ones _Bush's Pentagon has acquired, the pulse weapons, like the Active Denial System, which is supposed to be finished now. (I think I've heard it has already be used in Iraq.)



Render of a vehicle-mounted prototype system

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

The Pentagon's People Zapper
New electromagnetic weapon for crowd control
By Martin A. Lee
http://www.motherbird.com/zapper.html

I have no doubt whatsoever _Bush would send these weapons to be used against the people at Oaxaca. Testing them there would also serve as a psychological prod to Americans who might feel inclined to demonstrate during the next couple of years. A "dual use" weapon, harming the Mexican citizens of Oaxaca, and scaring would-be American protesters.

[Wiley50]

138. MAN! THAT'S SCARY!

Fried Alive In A Free Speech Zone

The people everywhere need to take our world back

While We still can

[EFerrari]

38. PFP is burning the demonstrators' camps:

9:00 Se reporta que la PFP se está replegando al zocalo, previamente quemaron nuevamente el campamento instalado en Santo Domingo

PFP has falled back to the zocalo; they burned the encampment at Santo Domingo again.

(I don't know these place names)

[EFerrari]

40. I'll try to post translated updates from Oaxaca Libre but if

there is a DUer more skilled than I am, please correct or jump in. If I'm unsure of a term, I'll note that.

[Wiley50]

41. The PFP have Taken the APPO camp at Santo Domingo

APPO has had a camp in the courtyard of the catherdral of Santo Domingo
since Oct 29, when PFP entered Oaxaca and took over the Zocalo
where their camp (planton), or sit-in, had been.

Here's the latest:

The PFP has already taken Santo Domingo and the people are retreating
(reports from msn).

18:34 ya tomaron santo domingo y la gente sigue replegándose
(reporte via msn)

[Wiley50]

42. FIGHTING SPREADS: Santo Domingo is ablaze

Reports that more PFP are entering the city, Santo Domingo is ablaze,
several vehicles. The dimensions of the confrontation seems to be
widening.

[Wiley50]

43. Spreading Further

Calling for reinforcements for the University area. Reports of a
confrontation on Miguel Cabrera street at the 20 de Noviembre market.

19:20 Se reporta un enfrentamiento en la calle Miguel Cabrera por el

[EFerrari]

45. Map for DUers who can see:

[EFerrari]

44. This from Indy Chiapas re a 2pm press conference:

In a press conference given today by the APPO at 2 p.m. at the encampment in Santo Domingo, spokespersons affirmed that they will continue implementing the plan of action as agreed upon with the Seventh MegaMarch which will leave from the Casa del Gobierno en Santa María Coyotepec tomorow, November 25th, and 10 a.m., heading towards the zócalo to surround the PFP and reiterate their principle demands. Additionlly, they made known the testimony of a neighbor of the '5 Señores' barricade, who was witness to an attack on said barricade by thugs and paramilitaries that left 2 compañeros kidnapped and detained. These two cases of torture are not isolated however, as Lic. Yésica Sánchez Maya, president of the Mexican League of Human Rights Defense (LIMEDDH), made known in another press conference regarding the torture of Eliud Amni Martínez Sánchez, who had also been tortured and is currently being detained.

http://chiapas.mediosindependientes.org/index.php?category=13

[EFerrari]

46. 19:30 University Radio reports that protesters with what appear to be

gunshot wounds. PFP is using fire arms to disperse the demonstrators.

19:30 Radio Universidad Reporta a heridos de bala al parecer, la PFP utilizo armas de fuego para dispersar a los manifestantes.

:(

[Wiley50]

48. Gunshot Wounds! This is not good

I hope someone who understands spoken spanish
can monitor the link to Radio APPO below.

Radio Appo is the main artery of the movement
and if you can understand what's going on

You can clue us all in

[EFerrari]

53. It won't let me in at all! I can get other streams but not that one.

Have to go back to Oaxaca Libre and wait for their posts. :(

[Wiley50]

47. IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND SPANISH?

MONITOR RADIO UNIVERSIDAD/RADIO APPO

It's the heatbeat of what'ds happening

REALTIME

HERE:

http://radio.indymedia.org:8000/appo.mp3.m3u

Whatever mediaplayer you're using:

FILE> NEW>enter link>PLAY

[bananas]

51. Some more streaming radio links

on the right side of the page http://www.vientos.info/cml

saw that link at http://sandiego.indymedia.org

[Wiley50]

52. Great! Here's Vienitos Timeline Translated

Oaxaca Revolts!





25 nov. 7ma Megamarcha Oaxaca. Trini returns to Atenco. Santiaguito mobilization by Atenco. Oaxaca Repression.

REPRESSION IN OAXACA, IS REPORTED DEAD And HURT BY FIREARMS OF The PFP
Events of the day: To one week of the conclusion of the first route of the commission sixth for the other campaign and to one week of the presidential succession, today 7ma will be carried out megamarcha by the exit of Ulises Ruiz in the city of Oaxaca. The Trini companion returns to San Salvador Atenco, to continue with the fight. In the penitentiary of Santiaguito, Day of protest by the repression, the torture, the violation, the imprisonment, the expulsion of the country and the persecution that have lived the women stopped in Atenco days 3 and 4 of May of this year.

Steering wheels and promo in Audio of 7ma Megamarcha | Video of the march | Photos of the march

the 21:05 popular assembly of oaxaca towns asks the people who crease

21:03 in the hospital of the social insurance police dressed in white dressing gown would be stopping the wounded (to confirm)

20:58 Police dressed civilian attacked the bus-station, the tourists and the people who were there run looking for refuge

20:57 On avenue chapultepec is detendiendo and striking much people

20·56 Radio University informs that to the height of the Social insurance they are striking and stopping companions

20:54 In avenue chapultepec (Oaxaca) is burned cars and trucks

20:48 In biche poor are policias dressed civilian

the 20:46 villager PFp houses

20:39 Radio University calls to ponchar rims to the patrols to immobilize them

20:37 are reported that the secretariat of outer relations is being set afire in the city of Oaxaca

20:36 are called to people in the world to pronounce as opposed to embajas and Mexican consulates in the world to stop this slaughter

20:35 the churches of the oaxaca center are closed

20:33 are asked the people who open her doors to the people who are being attacked by the PFP, is being developed a massacre in Oaxaca

20:32 4 TRUCKS OF the PFP are leaving the stage Benito Juárez, also report 20 trucks with preventive federal police course to the center

20:32 are called to people not to be dispersed

20:32 the pefepos ones already go by I ACCEPT, go with light tanks

20:31 are called to people so that it opens the doors of his houses and lets enter the people who are being attacked by the police

20:29In the level one have taken to 8 companions. The PFP is shooting of direct way against people. There are many wounded people

20:26 Hay a fire in the legislative palace of Oaxaca, this palace is in the wall that tended the PFP on the socle: it is possible to be concluded that only the PFP could have caused the fire. Another fire is located in the secretariat of outer relations

the 20:20 wounded of bullet in the leg is stable, but there are many prisoners and other severely woundeds. There are burned cars exploding.

20:17 Siguen the confrontations with the PFP, continues throwing gases. The ministerial policia is shooting

20:15 Around avenue railroad 10 light trucks of pefepos circulate, is made a call put the barricades around diche reconciled.

the 20:08 In the corner of Alcala and Abasolo PFP returned on her, are listened to 4 firings

19:55 are made call reinforce the confrontation, to rescue the streets. To take vinegar. From red taxis gases are being thrown

19:52 are requested to take foods, refreshments and vinegar to the sites where people are being attacked. It is also asked for to support the medical aid stations

19:51 have mounted a barricade to the height of the social insurance in the city of Oaxaca

19:48 Reporte by radio university of oaxaca to the air, the commission of security of the APPO: that the companions of the South part of Santo Domingo regroup and harass to pfp in the North part, so that they leave the companions peacefully

19:48 people are joining in av. young heroes of chapultepec

19:47 in the barricade of 5 gentlemen those were provoking in a motorcycle that burned trucks both

19:47 Mr. Taurino Ojeda of 45 years also has been hurt of bullet in the left leg

19:46 radio university from oaxaca flame to the town of Oaxaca to go out, because the demonstrators are surrounded in the center of Oaxaca and the PFP is shooting firearms.

19:42 Hay a bullet wounded (they report from oaxaca via teléfonica)

19:41 Reporte by radio university of Oaxaca to the air: there are wounded by tear gas grenades and firings

the 19:40 preventive federal police that roundup to people in the socle is shooting with arms against people and are making haltings

19:39 Hay two trucks of the barricade of 5 gentlemen, next to who there are two light trucks closed of which they lead the preventive federal police and to the ministerial police

the 19:31 PFP has surrounded people and are advancing from the different intersections

19:29 Reporte from Santo Domingo: it continues the attack of the PFP, continue throwing and shooting tear chemical projectiles

19:25 people advance by 5 gentlemen

19:21 the tear gases that are being sent in the historical center of the city of Oaxaca at this moment are arriving already at all the city of Oaxaca

19:14 Radio University of Oaxaca: A confrontation in the street is reported Miguel Goatherd by market 20 of November

previously 19:13 are reported that the PFP is falling back to zocalo, burned again the camping installed in Santo Domingo

19: 10 one inquires into at least 40 lengthy which they took to the socle, and ministerial ones stopping people in the streets

18:59 "we saw as they stopped to approximately 30 compass, accumulated them and they gassed them, are pfepos by all sides" Report from Oaxaca

the 18:55 PFP advances until the cinema club the Pochote, the members of the APPO fall back. "people" report themselves who from taxis shoot gases to the manisfestantes that are falling back.

18:54 In the hill of the bunker are mobilizations of the preventive federal police.

18:53 have arrived the night, ask for foods. There is balance of some wounded, at moments will occur the complete report. Report by Radio University of Oaxaca to the air

18:53 Reporte from Santo Domingo, people has been reorganized and is advancing again

18:47 "we have sockets of 9mm" reports people from Oaxaca. Which would make suppose that the PFP is not only attacking with gases and light tanks but with firearms.

the 18:45 voice of the truth reports many trucks of pfp course to oaxaca

18:44 many burned cars are reported, is confirmed: PFP already is in Santo Domingo

18:44 the gases have reached today more than 75 meters

18:42 elements of the PFP by the course of the office of the judge advocate general are reported

the 18:41 gas burns more than before, and is prisoners, but we do not know how many they are, we are folded three streets above of Santo Domingo

18:40 close the central axis in the City of Mexico, in protest by the violence of the PFP in oaxaca

18:34 already took Santo Domingo and people continue falling back

18:30 Hacen lacks doctors, the continuous confrontation, habemos several wounded. Report via msn

18:25 Llama radio university of Oaxaca to the neighbors to lower to support the people who are being attacked
By file AT 2006-11-24 22:10 | ATENCO

[Wiley50]

49. MORE

zocalo fighting, and spreading

Lots of fighting. Seems the PFP has regrouped after taking Santo
Domingo and have surrounded a group of people at (or in?) the zocalo,
One report of a gunshot wound on APPO side,,,

source: witnesses

Santo Domingo is a huge stone church and surely is not ablaze. Maybe the tents and stalls in front of it are on fire? The call is to break the circle around the it.

The mega-march was a success and arrived in good order around 4:330, maybe 5:00. The marchers surrounded the zocalo on all sides about a block away from each line of PFP blockades.The chances are that the PFP were provoked by PRI porros, or perhaps students who couldn't be controlled --not the APPO, which insisted on a pacific presence, but could not control the outbreak of violence.

There is certainly a street battle going on right now, still, at 8:00 PM, whose shots I can hear from our house. I think it began at about 5:15. The people do not seem afraid, they retreated several blocks and regrouped.Some PFP were stationed on the roofs to shoot tear gas.

When the PFP advanced beyond the zocalo, the people resisted. Two cars were placed at one barricade, at Cinco Señores, according to Radio Universidad which has been broadcasting all day, to protect the station. Other barricades were built from the ground up, near where the church of Carmen Alto is located, north of the zocalo, parallel to Santo Domingo where the APPO planton was established.. Men were carting into the blockades wood and metal, tires, trash barrels, etc. Everyone was covered with towels, rags, or sanitary napkins, all soaked in vinegar. The situation sounds very bad -the radio is using the word massacre but I have no way to verify at this moment.

The radio, with the voice of the dear Doctora Bertha, is asking for people to come out of their homes and go to Radio Universidad or Santo Domingo. She is asking for food, drinks, whatever people can carry, to come to show their solidarity with the peoples of Oaxaca.


zocalo fighting, and spreading

Radio Universidad calls on the people of Oaxaca to go into the
streets, because, well, the demonstrators are surrounded in the
downtown center of Oaxaca and the PFP is shooting firearms.

19:46 radio universidad de oaxaca llama al pueblo de Oaxaca a salir a
las calles, pues los manifestantes están rodeados en el centro de
Oaxaca y la PFP está disparando armas de fuego.



La doctora is going all out in her call for barricades. "Do whatever you can do, if it means taking buses or cars or whatever. The PRI has sent a fleet of 'Red Taxis' - "against the south side of the barricade.

She is calling on all the media, including the foreign press, "to witness what is happening to the peoples of Oaxaca. After six months of struggle, this is the ultimate effort. This is the night when we can throw back the PFP, but it will take all of us. They protect the ministerial police, they protect the taxistas, they protect the paramilitary. It's necessary to carry a cool mind and an ardent heart!"

Re: zocalo fighting, and spreading

Given the news from sisters and brothers in Oaxaca I sent emails to AP,
CNN and Reuters (Reuters and, as Dean reports, MSN, is alreadly
covering it). I've also sent emails encouraging folks on a few leftie
email lists to keep their eyes open.

Should we be encouraging folks to send telegrams right now demanding
the PFP be ordered to stop? If so, what's the email/fax/phone numbers
for relevant Mexican/US authorities?

Re: battle

No the Church isnt ablaze, I meant or I understood, the square where
cars where several cars were on fire and some thick "white" smoke
from the northeast of the square or plaza.

I am tuned into indymedia #mexico channel. It is hot with eye
witness accounts in both english (mark mez is down there) and
spanish.

[Wiley50]

50. MORE

zocalo fighting, and spreading

Lots of fighting. Seems the PFP has regrouped after taking Santo
Domingo and have surrounded a group of people at (or in?) the zocalo,
One report of a gunshot wound on APPO side,,,

source: witnesses

Santo Domingo is a huge stone church and surely is not ablaze. Maybe the tents and stalls in front of it are on fire? The call is to break the circle around the it.

The mega-march was a success and arrived in good order around 4:330, maybe 5:00. The marchers surrounded the zocalo on all sides about a block away from each line of PFP blockades.The chances are that the PFP were provoked by PRI porros, or perhaps students who couldn't be controlled --not the APPO, which insisted on a pacific presence, but could not control the outbreak of violence.

There is certainly a street battle going on right now, still, at 8:00 PM, whose shots I can hear from our house. I think it began at about 5:15. The people do not seem afraid, they retreated several blocks and regrouped.Some PFP were stationed on the roofs to shoot tear gas.

When the PFP advanced beyond the zocalo, the people resisted. Two cars were placed at one barricade, at Cinco Señores, according to Radio Universidad which has been broadcasting all day, to protect the station. Other barricades were built from the ground up, near where the church of Carmen Alto is located, north of the zocalo, parallel to Santo Domingo where the APPO planton was established.. Men were carting into the blockades wood and metal, tires, trash barrels, etc. Everyone was covered with towels, rags, or sanitary napkins, all soaked in vinegar. The situation sounds very bad -the radio is using the word massacre but I have no way to verify at this moment.

The radio, with the voice of the dear Doctora Bertha, is asking for people to come out of their homes and go to Radio Universidad or Santo Domingo. She is asking for food, drinks, whatever people can carry, to come to show their solidarity with the peoples of Oaxaca.


zocalo fighting, and spreading

Radio Universidad calls on the people of Oaxaca to go into the
streets, because, well, the demonstrators are surrounded in the
downtown center of Oaxaca and the PFP is shooting firearms.

19:46 radio universidad de oaxaca llama al pueblo de Oaxaca a salir a
las calles, pues los manifestantes están rodeados en el centro de
Oaxaca y la PFP está disparando armas de fuego.



La doctora is going all out in her call for barricades. "Do whatever you can do, if it means taking buses or cars or whatever. The PRI has sent a fleet of 'Red Taxis' - "against the south side of the barricade.

She is calling on all the media, including the foreign press, "to witness what is happening to the peoples of Oaxaca. After six months of struggle, this is the ultimate effort. This is the night when we can throw back the PFP, but it will take all of us. They protect the ministerial police, they protect the taxistas, they protect the paramilitary. It's necessary to carry a cool mind and an ardent heart!"

Re: zocalo fighting, and spreading

Given the news from sisters and brothers in Oaxaca I sent emails to AP,
CNN and Reuters (Reuters and, as Dean reports, MSN, is alreadly
covering it). I've also sent emails encouraging folks on a few leftie
email lists to keep their eyes open.

Should we be encouraging folks to send telegrams right now demanding
the PFP be ordered to stop? If so, what's the email/fax/phone numbers
for relevant Mexican/US authorities?

Re: battle

No the Church isnt ablaze, I meant or I understood, the square where
cars where several cars were on fire and some thick "white" smoke
from the northeast of the square or plaza.

I am tuned into indymedia #mexico channel. It is hot with eye
witness accounts in both english (mark mez is down there) and
spanish.

[John Q. Citizen]

55. Wiley, do you have any where we can write to the Mexican Government to

ask why they are beating up, disappearing, and killing people in Oaxaca?

[Wiley50]

62. I can look it up later.

There's a list on groups.yahoo.com/oaxacastudyactiongroup

[EFerrari]

54. Update 20:24

20:24 PFP toma el atrio de santo domingo a balazos, se confirman heridos de bala.

PFP has taken the Santo Domingo square, as confirmed by wounded demonstrators.

20:26 Hay incendios en diferentes puntos de la ciudad.

There are fires in several parts of the city..

20:27 Radio Universidad reporta muertos por herida de bala y multiples detenidos, el numero de heridos no se puede confirmar.

University Radio reports casualties from gunfire wounds and multiple detentions. The number of the wounded can't be confirmed.

[Wiley50]

56. Thanks. Where's that from? Vienitos?

No luck on Radio Appo?

Even if you can't understand it
it's sobering to listen to.

[John Q. Citizen]

58. Radio Appo is asking for people to take cover. They are asking for their

people to get off the streets and not become dead or disappeared.

[EFerrari]

61. They are indiscriminately rousting people from one neighborhood

-- it's not named in the report I read. People are being rounded up. :(

[EFerrari]

60. I can't get in. This is from the transcript at Oaxaca Libre.

[John Q. Citizen]

65. I'm listening now. They are playing "liberation" music at present. They

were just telling people to seek refuge at friends, in churches or where ever.

They are asking people to call the Governor.

They are announcing names of people who need to contact their families.

They say police are posing as doctors.

They are asking people to call them and tell them about police and soldier movements in and around the city.

[EFerrari]

67. Thank you. n/t

[Wiley50]

76. Wow! Great Play By Play, John Q.

Thanks!

[bananas]

68. I just tried these streams and got in

http://compi.ath.cx:8000/appo.mp3

http://stream.kunstlabor.at:5800/appo.mp3

http://stream.r23.cc:2323/appo.mp3

http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/appo.mp3

http://icecast.freeteam.nl/appo.mp3

http://67.15.192.20:8010

http://s8.viastreaming.net:7100

[bananas]

69. as plain text

http://compi.ath.cx:8000/appo.mp3

http://stream.kunstlabor.at:5800/appo.mp3

http://stream.r23.cc:2323/appo.mp3

http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/appo.mp3

http://icecast.freeteam.nl/appo.mp3

http://67.15.192.20:8010/

http://s8.viastreaming.net:7100/

[EFerrari]

75. Bingo! I got in. I don't know who is speaking but someone

is giving a speech - an inspiriational speech of some kind.

-- Report: outside of the social security office, there are police. This speaker is calling on the National Commission on Human Rights to intervene if they are still present in Oaxaca.

[Wiley50]

78. That's "La Doctora" Her Name's Bertha

She has been the strength of the movement

Her calm and sensibleness has carried them all.

She is a Professor at the Med school

[EFerrari]

80. She called repeatedly for the Human Rights Commision to

step up and do something.

On edit: and she's repeatedly said that she expects to be disappeared.

[Wiley50]

84. Yeah! They'd love to get her. She's a Heroine

She never leaves the protection of the University

[John Q. Citizen]

83. Do they have an email account at the Station?

[Wiley50]

86. radio@UNABJO

Benito Juarez Autonomous University of Oaxaca

I dont know what comes after UNABJO.

[EFerrari]

87. It's .mx -- I checked at their site. n/t

[bananas]

89. Might be uabjo.mx (no "n")

This seems to be the website
http://www.uabjo.mx

This looks like the university radio station streaming audio page:
http://www.uabjo.mx/radio/radioOnLine.php

[EFerrari]

90. Edit: That bounces. Here is a link to the site

http://www.uabjo.mx/correo/index.php

[EFerrari]

70. Well, my access to everything has deteriorated over the last hour.

I don't know why. Everything is slow and I can get Peter B. down the coast but not APPO.

I'll try those.

[John Q. Citizen]

57. muertos are "deaths."

[EFerrari]

59. Yes. The report is there are deaths from gunshot wounds and

that there are other wounded folks but the numbers can't be confirmed.

[Wiley50]

63. Another set of updates

More troops are arriving, near the old railroad area. "If they continue massacring the peoples of Oaxaca all of Mexico will rise up against Felipe Calderon. Don't let them massacre us tranquilly. Use gasoline or what you have. We don't have firearms. All the interior of the state should come out. All together from the regions, disciplined, together," said La Doctora.

A Radio Universidad staff person ( the more hysterical element, not La Doctora who is always calm) says Felipe Calderon is behind this attack.



translations, excuse the rush

RU of Oaxaca: in this moment on Avenue of Ferrocarril there is a whle
bunch of federal police (PFP) and miniterial police pickups.
20:23 Radio Universidad de Oaxaca: En este momeNto sobre Avenida del
Ferrocarril una gran cantidad de camionetas de la policia federal
preve´ntiva y de la policia mi´nisterial
<medianoche> ciudad de Oaxaca.

Contiuing confrontations with the PFP, firing tear gas. The ministerial
police are firing (reports by telephone from Oaxaca).
Siguen los enfrentamientos con la PFP, sigue arrojando gases. La policia
ministerial está disparando (reporte telefónico desde oaxaca)

Mark: the (fire) NN-EAST/Este of Santo Domingo is changing from white in
black smoke too. Then the 4th one I haven't reported yet, is more
Nort-East(este) of Santo Domingo and a bit further away. So APPO seems
to be at Garcia Civil. Garcia Civil y Bravo (= prolongacion de Abasolo.
Then a lot of windows breaking, or something. I have to go; teargas

There is deaths and disappeared. (RU)

The wounded from a bullet to the leg is in stable condition, but there
are detained and others that are gravely wounded. There is cars burning
and exploding.
El herido de bala en la pierna está estable, pero hay detenidos y
otros heridos graves. Hay autos quemados explotando.

In the open area they have taken 8 compañeros. The PFP are firing
directly at people. Ther eis many wounded.
20:27 en el llano se han llevado a 8 compañeros. La PFP está
disparando de manera directa contra la genTe. Hay muchas personas
heridas

There are dead. The Oaxaca legislative palace and the secretary of
external relations are burning.
20:27 hay muertos. El palacio legislativo de Oaxaca y la secretaria de
relaciones exteriores se estan incendiando.

Calls for people to open the doors of their houses and to allow people
to seek refuge from the attacks by police.
20:31 Se llama a la gente para que abra las puertas de sus casas y deje
entrar a la gente que está siendo atacada por la policía

The PFP are close to the bus station, with tanks. They are calls from RU
for people to not disperse. Four trucks are leaving the benito Juarez
stadium, and they are reporting that 20 more trucks of the PFP are
heading towards the center.
20:32 los pefepos ya van por el ADO, van con tanquetas. Se llama a la
gente a no estar dispersa. 4 CAMIONES DE LA PFP están saliendo del
estadio Benito Juárez, se reportan también 20 camiones con
policías federales preventivos rumbo al centro.

The churches in the downtpwn center are closed. There is a call for
people of the world to demonstrate in front of the mexican embassies and
consulates to stop this massacre.
20:35 las iglesias del centro de oaxaca están cerradas. Se llama a la
gente en el mundo a manifestarse frente a las embajas y consulados
mexicanos en el mundo para parar esta matanza

Radio U calls to puncture tires of police patrols to inmobilze them.
Radio Universidad llama a ponchar llantas a las patrullas para
inmovilizarlas

There are house searches (report via MSN from Oaxaca)
20:46 Hay cateos de casas (reporte vía msn desde oax)

In the social security hospital (IMSS) police dressed in white are
arresting the wounded.
21:03 en el hospital del seguro social policías vestidos con bata
blanca estarían deteniendo a los heridos.

APPO is asking the people to retire, move away.
21:05 La asamblea popular de pueblos de oaxaca pide a la gente que se
repliegue.

Interior ministry warns APPO that either the protest stays peaceful or
the army will enter and massacre the population, This message was
transmitted through Chruch offcials (after they heard RU calls for
insurrection).
21:08 Gobernación lanza advertencia a la APPO que o sigue todo como
protesta pacífica o entrará el ejército a masacrar con armas a
la población, mensaje que gobernación hizo llegar a la APPO por
medio de jerarcas de la iglesia católica.

NOTE: BLACK IS FROM LA JORNADA; RED IS FROM RADIO UNIVERSIDAD AND OTHER SOURCES

All persons interested in the situation should make their calls and faxes to try to stop the fighting, call for a withdrawal of troops..

"The Segob does nothing..What are our rights? We have no right to demonstrate, but we have the right to be assassinated. It does not mean that we are defeated, because in this night we emerge in the eyes of the world as victorious." (La Doctora)

the clash extends to 14 places in Oaxaca. (Tourists and others who were in the hotels in the zocalo are seeking places to hide out at the bus station, etcetera, says La Doctora). She says this is what the hotel keepers brought on to themselves by seeking fthe PFP presence.


The confrontations in the city between the APO and the federal elements have extended to the sectors north and south of the Historic Center.

Eye witnesses told me that that a large crowd of Oaxqueños were running north and were being chased on foot by the PFP, the streets filled with people running for several blocks north toward Heroes de Chapultepec.

.The PFP used besides tear gas, armored trucks to disperse the demonstrators of the APPO

The visibility in the Historic Center is near zero due to the heavy smoke from the tear gas

The PFP advanced launching tear gas and running the militants out of the Santo Domingo plaza.
At nine o'clock La doctora says take refuge in some house, there is no point in more pointless deaths or arrests, because they have guns and the APPO does not. This is not a defeat for us, it is a defeat for them. because we maintain our dignity and we are an example to the world and the nation, and they are killing innocent people, committing torture, disappearances, arrests.

La Doctora says they are investigating a report that the PRI and PFP are masquerading as doctors
Certifica.com



La Jornada On Line

25/11/2006 19:18

Oaxaca, Oax. Los enfrentamientos en la ciudad de Oaxaca entre miembros de la Asamblea Popular de los Pueblos de Oaxaca (APPO) y elementos federales se extendieron en los sectores norte y sur del Centro Histórico, y abarcan 14 bocacalles de la zona.

Los combates siguen siendo intensos, mientras la gente corre para resguardarse del gas lacrimógeno, informó Formato 21.

Por su parte, Monitor indicó que hay dos personas lesionadas y varios intoxicados por gases lacrimógenos y gas pimienta.

La Policía Federal Preventiva (PFP) utiliza, además de gases lacrimógenos, tanquetas antimotines para dispersar a los manifestantes de la APPO en el Centro Histórico de esta ciudad.

La visibilidad en el Centro Histórico se encuentra al mínimo, debido a una espesa bruma de gases lacrimógenos.

Los elementos de la PFP avanzan lanzando gas lacrimógenos y haciendo correr por la explanada de Santo Domingo a los militantes de la APPO.


"We are a strong people, " says La Doctora. "Tomorrow we go out to protest this massacre": And she asks for all the Americans and Canadians to protest also.

Stay off the streets, don't get picked up by the PFP, live to fight another day, is the message to the people

[EFerrari]

66. We have to get this OUT somehow. n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

71. Here's a list of all Mexican Consulates in the US and Canada.

http://www.mexonline.com/consulate.htm

We need to get folks to call and e-mail (some have email addresses)

That means we need to launch some threads for the next few days and enlist help.

[EFerrari]

77. If you belong to a group or have friends in a group, send to them 1st.

I sent this report to the SF Greens and the L.A. Greens. I know Los Angeles will get it out.

And, yes, we'll need to keep a thread going somehow. And tomorrow is Sunday.

[Wiley50]

82. COOL! You're Nominated!

And We'll all help too.

When we get a chance
look back over this thread
and see how well we all worked together

Everybody just grabbed on where they could

That's how Oaxaca is Organized
It isn't
It just Happens

[EFerrari]

64. (The internets are slow for me to night. Darn.)

21:35 6 camionetas de PFP rumbo a 5 señores
6 PFP vehicles going toward 5 senores

21:36 Se le pide a la gente que viene del distrito federal a que se repliegue a CU.

Would the people from Mexico DF please fall back to CU.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

72. Viva La Revolution!

If only WE had the guts to do this.

Nonviolent revolution turned violent by the government. :cry:

[Wiley50]

74. They were, after all, FORCED into it

When it gets bad enough

It'll happen here too

[EFerrari]

79. A lady just said there seemed to be shooting outside of a clinic.

Not sure if it's where the wounded are being treated or if it's just a municipal facility.

I cannot believe these muthers are SHOOTING people. And we will find out they had tactical support from our government, bet me. :mad:

[John Q. Citizen]

81. School of the Americas, you bet.

[EFerrari]

85. The new old boss.

:mad:

[Wiley50]

88. battle, summary

Starting with a peaceful megamarch, it seems infiltrators or
provocateurs were used to initiate confrontations, that quickly
escalated, and the PFP and misterial police left the zocalo on
offenses chasing demonstrators to Santo Domingo. The police then went
looking for more demonstrators to attack. They started with the use of
taer gas and water canons, then it seems began using rubber bullets.
After calls from RU for citizens to defend from the attacks, and for
the Oaxacan people all over the state to resist, the Interior Ministry
threatened military intervention. PFP reinforced their numbers and are
attacking in force, and searching for participants. RU then asked to
people to pull back and sek refuge. Tonight, people are waiting for
the entrance of the military into the city...

[EFerrari]

91. La Doctora reports that at this time there is no safe place to take

the wounded as the Social Security office and the hospital are not secured.

[Wiley50]

92. Oaxaca System of Divinely Inspired Anarchy

The History books may make it appear more organized than it really was

My experience with such things is:

One person starts bitchin about how such and such ought to be done.

Another says"Great Idea! You take care of that part"

That happens over and over as the thing snowballs

Everyone just grabs on where they see a hand hold

and it becomes greater than the sum of it's parts.

Later, in retrospect, some historian picks those who in their opinion
were the brightest stars and writes it down that way, the way they see it

But, it really didn't happen that way

It was just divinely inspired anarchy

[EFerrari]

93. 3 confirmed dead outside of the Medical (facility?)

Two white vehicles full of police drove up and shot three people that were walking there. One body was left there and two were removed by the shooters.

(I can't tell if these are new casualties or the confirmation of previously reported deaths.)

[Viva_La_Revolution]

94. !

:(

[Wiley50]

95. It's hard to tell who is police and who is porros (thugs)

Only the PFP wear uniforms

The police and porros are both priistas.

The political party of the Governor

[Wiley50]

96. more from OSAG (Enter The Military)

Here come the Military
(the PFP are Fed Police
the military have stayed out until now

BUT, RUH_ROW! Here they come:

0:41pm 8 trucks loaded with military from the 28th miltary base are
heading to the zocalo.


La Doctora now declares on the radio that she holds directly and personally responsible the sec of government if anything happens to her family, to her children or to her home, or to her friends or to the security of all who marched.


zocalo fighting, and spreading

Events of the day: At one week from the conclusion of the first journey of the Other Campaign's Sixth Commission and one week until the presidential succession, today will bring the Seventh March for the removal of Ulises Ruiz in Oaxaca City. The comrade Trini returns to San Salvador Atenco to continue the struggle. At the Santiaguito prison, a day of protest for the repression, torture, rape, the imprisonment, the expulsion for the country and the persecution that the detained women lived in Atenco the third and fourth days of May this year.

22:09 A drive-by shooting lasted two minutes near the Faculy of Medicine. They came in trucks from which they shot. Screams were heard.

21:36 They are asking people from Mexico City to retreat to university city.

21:35 Six pick-up trucks of PFP are heading toward 5 senores.

21:35 The comrades that find themselves in the center of the city retreat and look for a secure place, that they knock on people's doors, that they knock on the church doors because the army is going to enter.

21:34 Oaxaca's Radio Universidad: "The comrades that stayed in the city center, look for refuge and check in with families."

21:33 They are asking people to not go out in isolated groups, only in large groups. That they look for refuge in homes.

21:32 Near the Fortin Mountain, in the neighborhood of Casca, there are 3,000 members of the PFP. They are torturing people and putting them into trucks.

21:24 The people of Neza City are are calling for solidarity with Oaxaca that tomorrow people leave to protest against the massacre that is being carried out now.

21:22 From the ____ neighborhood the police are coming and taking away people indiscriminately.

21:21 The PRIistas are reorganizing themselves in the Siete Regiones fountains.

21:18 5 large trucks fulls of armed PFP's left Channel 9, they are probably going to do rounds to kidnap people near there.

21:14 Workers from the Other Campaign are inviting people to concnetrate in the encampment outside the Senate in Mexico City.

21:10 Radio Universidad is calling for people to retreat to the university.

21:08 The government is warning APPO that if it continue its peaceful protest that the army will enter to massacre the population, a message that the government made arrive through higher ups in the catholic church

21:05 The People's Popular Assembly of Oaxaca is asking people to retreat.

21:03 In the Social Security hospital that police dressed in lab coats are tending to the victims (waiting for confirmation)

20:58 Police dressed as civilians attacked the bus station. The tourists and the people that were there ran looking for shelter.

20:57 At Avenida Chapultepc, they are arresting and beating people.

20:56 Radio Universidad reports that nearby the Social Security building, the police are beating and arresting people.

20:54 At Avenida Chapultepc (Oaxaca) they are burning cars and buses.

20:48 In the restaurant "El Biche Pobre" there are civilian dressed police.

20:56 The PFP is ransacking houses

20:39 Radio Universidad is asking people to punch holes in the tires of police cruisers to demobilize them.

20:37 It is reported that the secretary of foreign relations building is being burned down in Oaxaca City.

20:36 They are calling for the people of the world to protest in front of the embassies and Mexican consulates around the globe to stop this massacre.

20:35 The churches in the center of Oaxaca are closed.

20:33 They are asking people to open their doors for the people that are being attacked by the PFP. A maasacre is unfolding in Oaxaca..

20:32 Four trucks of the PFP are leaving the Benito Juarez stadium. They are reporting also 20 buses of federal preventative police heading toward the center.

20:32 They are calling for people to no scatter themselves.

20:32 The PFP is moving toward the ADO bus station. They are going with tanks.

20:29 In El Llano, they have taken away 8 comrades. The PFP is shooting directly at the people. There are many people injured.

20:26 There's a fire in the legislative palace of Oaxaca. The palace can be found in the center of siege that the PFP maintained in the zocalo. It can be concluded that only the PFP could have caused the fire. Another fire is found in the secretary of foreign relations building.

20:20 The person injured by a gunshot in the leg is stable, but there are many arrested individuals and other gravely injured people. There are burning cars that are exploding.

20:17 The confrontation with the PFP continues. The PFP is still shooting off tear gas. The local police is shooting live ammunition.

20:15 Near Avenida Ferrocarril, there are 10 trucks of PFP's circulation. They are making a call to put up barricades at this avenue.

20:08 In the corner of Alcala and Abasolo, the PFP returned. Four shots were heard.

19:55 They are making a call for reinforcements, to rescue the streets. Bring vinegar. From red taxis they are throwing gas.

19:52 They are asking people to bring food, drinks and vinegar to the places where people are being assaulted. They are soliciting medical help as well.

19:51 They have mounted a barricade near the social security building in Oaxaca City.

19:48 An on-air report through Radio Universidad from the security commission of the APPO: that the people in the southern part of Santo Domingo regroup and threaten the PFP in the northern section so that they leave the comrades in peace.

19:48 The people are joining up in Av. Ninos Heroes de Chapultepec.

19:47 At the Cinco Senores barricade, provocateurs on motorcycle set afire two buses.

19:47 Mr. Taurino Ojeda, 45, was injured by a bullet in his left leg.

19:46 Oaxaca's Radio Universidad is calling for the people of Oaxaca to take to the streets. The protesters are surrounded in the center of Oaxaca and the PFP is shooting with firearms.

http://vientos.info/cml/?q=node/6916

[EFerrari]

97. Report: Many instructors and also health department workers

were stopped during the confrontation and loaded into two buses. La Doctora is calling for any of them to check in so they can determine who is missing.

I think I got that right. :(

[cal04]

98. Police, Protesters Clash in Mexican City

Police fired tear gas at dozens of protesters hurling gasoline bombs, rocks and powerful fireworks near the main square of this southern Mexican city troubled by months of unrest.

The clashes erupted as some 4,000 leftist protesters marched to within two blocks of the main square. They had announced plans to ``encircle'' police forces who dislodged demonstrators from the main square in a raid a month ago.

Federal detained at least three dozen mainly youthful protesters.

The government news agency Notimex reported that nine people suffered minor injuries in the confrontation, and that the fireworks - large bottle rockets fired from shoulder-mounted tubes - started fires in several houses near the plaza.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6239676,00.html

[EFerrari]

99. There are armed personnel at the medical facilities right now.

These mofos are denying medical treatment to the people they've shot.

This isn't a "clash"!

:mad:

[cal04]

101. When does the media ever tell the truth

I'm begining to think never

[EFerrari]

102. I know. We can tell what they're lying about by comparing their lies

though. One of my old teachers, Peter Dale Scott, just gave a presentation about his chapter in the new 9/11 book, and he used the 9/11 report to debunk -- the 9/11 report!

[cal04]

100. Offensive by the Federal Preventive Police

Offensive by the Federal Preventive Police Against the People of Oaxaca
A large number of people are reported detained in various parts of the city. Two deaths are the result of the confrontation. (as of 9:33)

The federal police began, around 5pm, to attack the members of the APPO that were peacefully demonstration in the areas around the zocalo. These aggressions caused the conflict that is still continuing between the police and the members of the APPO and its supporters.

The streets of the historic center area battle ground and the federal police began to discharge fire arms against the protesters about an hour ago. The ministerial police of the state of Oaxaca and the federal preventative forces are investigating in order to apprehend in some part of the city, such as in el Llano, Crespo street and the market Central de Abastos as well as in other parts.

Approximately 40 people are reported detained, 20 of them women. There are various injured people, one of whom is gravely hurt.

Up until now we have the information that two compañeros have lost their lives due to the aggressions, although their identities have not been confirmed.

At the moment the offices of exterior relations (immigration) that are located in Pino Suarez and the offices of the police that are located in Juarez Avenue are on fire.

The federal preventative police together with the state police have unleashed an offensive against the social movement of Oaxaca. The confrontations have arrived to the area around ADO (a bus station) and the hospital IMSS which is located in the street Ninos Heroes.

The APPO has information that because of these recent events the Mexican Army is in Maximum Alert.

Santo Domingo, headquarters of the APPO’s planton ( camps in the city’s center ) has been removed by the federal police after being taken over by them.

Faced with this offensive against the people and in order to avoid more bloodshed the APPO has decided to retreat.

We demand the punishment of Felipe Calderón, Vicente Fox, Ulises Ruiz for this massacre that is being carried out against the people of Oaxaca.

We call to all of the peoples of Mexico and of the World to carry out mobilizations demanding that this aggression ends.

http://www.narconews.com/Issue43/article2387.html
sorry if this was already posted

[EFerrari]

103. The Oaxaca Libre site is under attack. They're moving it.

:mad:

[Wiley50]

108. From Oaxaca libre:

La represion ha llegado hasta nuestro sitio el cual esta siendo saboteado en unos momentos emigraremos el sitio regresar en unos 2 minutos por favor.

The repression has arrived until our site which this being sabotaged at moments we will emigrate the site to return please in about 2 minutes.

[Wiley50]

123. Oaxaca Libre is still down this morning

[EFerrari]

104. From vientos: (I've lost the stream)

23:16 Amapolas 1429 es donde estan torturando a trés personas, les sembraron grapas y hoy los siguen torturando
Amapolas 1429 is where they are torturing three people. They place hooks in them ("grapas"?) and today they continue the torture.

23:09 Hay ministeriales en el hospital y están con armas de alto poder, reporte por radio universidad de oaxaca al aire
There are armed personnel in the hospital and they have high caliper weapons, reports University Radio.

23:08 hay muchos compañeros desaparecidos
There are many companeros missing.

[EFerrari]

105. I'm turning in soon and will check in in the morning.

One last kick for the resistance in Oaxaca.

[Wiley50]

106. You were Great Tonight. Thanks for being mi compadre

[EFerrari]

107. Thanks for keeping this up front,, Wiley50.

:hi:

[Wiley50]

109. Well, unfortunately, I see a dead, wounded and disappeared thread tommorrow

Guess I'd better get some rest

[uppityperson]

111. k&r, just got home and found this, amazing

thanks for your postings

[Wiley50]

110. Into The Night: 5 Dead and over 400 Arrested

battle, summary, and into the night...
5 dead and over 400 arrested. No further news on the military, except
that on the route to the zocalo, they could include Radio U. Still
listening...

still waiting for confirmation, that last post....

[lonestarnot]

120. Damn it!

[Peace Patriot]

112. Thanks to Wiley50 and sfexpat2000 for these reports!

It's difficult to get a general picture of what happened in Oaxaca today from these fragments, but it appears that the Fox/Calderon federal army--far from providing protection for Oaxacans--is providing cover for Ruiz's paramilitaries to drive around freely shooting, kidnapping and torturing people, burning encampments and buildings, invading homes and hunting targeted leaders of the protests. That's the impression I'm getting from all these "plain clothes" reports. The federales, who should be preventing these murders (17 so far in the five month long protest, and at least 3 today, it seems, along with numerous injuries and disappearances), are in cahoots with the death squads.

This is very bad.

It also appears that there are agents provocateur providing the excuses for brutality, CS gassing of protesters and neighborhoods (reminiscent of Seattle '99), shooting of rubber bullets (which, while generally not lethal, inflict terrible wounds), and other violence by the federal army--and this in turn provides cover for Ruiz's paramilitaries. We had some agents provocateur in Seattle also--I remember protesters in front of stores trying to block them from breaking windows. The police let these agents provocateurs run wild, breaking windows and setting things on fire, while targeting the protesters for brutality and arrest. Chaos is deliberately created in order to paint the protest as violent and punish and repress peaceful protest. Also happened in Chicago '68, and, as a general principle in Iraq--the deliberate creation of chaos in every action and policy of the Bush Junta, from the beginning, aimed at giving death squads free reign. And of course the more chaos in Iraq, the more billions and billions of dollars pour into the war profiteers' pockets. The police state becomes its own justification. Think of all the manufacturers of guns, helicopters, pepper spray and CS gas, jeeps, tanks, bullets, Darth Vader uniforms, helmets, shields, boots, tents, food and other military supplies laughing all the way to the bank about the "turkey shoot" in Oaxaca. Why spend all this money? Why not just force this out of control governor to resign, and support democracy and justice for Oaxaca? Because all that war profiteering materiel has to be justified! And of course real democracy must be prevented.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the people of Oaxaca tonight! Your struggle is inspiring many people in the north and around the world. We know what is happening there, and what is happening here--how your right to self-government is being denied, and how your protest is being slandered and "marginalized" in our corporate press--and we are spreading the word as well as we can. Viva la revolución!

[Judi Lynn]

114. So American corporate media are simply refusing to acknowledge this.

Doesn't that give you a warm feeling, knowing this kind of problem is going on, has been going on, and our own media are stonewalling it altogether? When they do offer little scraps of information, they ALWAYS take up space reminding us of how much business has been interrupted by these "leftists," and how the normally flourishing tourism business has gone dormant.

Yeah, you really gotta look at the bottom line first, don't ya?

Found an Indybay article which confirms what was reported upstream in this thread: three dead, shot to death by cops:

Oaxaca’s popular movement suffers yet another brutal day
by radio zapote
Saturday Nov 25th, 2006 11:18 PM


The police started using gunfire and also shot gas cans at the protestors. This practice has killed people before in Oaxaca on Nov. 2 and in other places like Atenco. Radio Universidad made a general call to withdraw and to get off the streets. Three people were shot by police from two pickup trucks using heavy gunfire near the College of Medicine. Reports indicate more than one hundred shots heard. The killers took two of the bodies and left the third one lying at the spot.

Near a place known as El Pochote, a big group of people were surrounded by the police. Also in the streets of Fiallo y Colón, a big number of teachers and workers of the health department were detained and removed in two buses. To the north of downtown, several reports indicate that there were massive arrests of up to thirty people who were sprayed with gas after being detained. In a place called El Fortin, witnesses report how police were beating up and torturing detained ones before moving them from the spot aboard pickup trucks. Radio Universidad keeps transmitting and making announcements and denunciations.

The pacific mobilization received an attack from the federal police with gases and gunfire. Then protesters faced a wave of represion by armed police officers and paramilitary which resulted in the deaths of three people, many injured individuals, more than 60 detained protesters and innocent bystanders and an unknown number of disappeared people. The numbers are increasing because violence has not ceased in the streets of Oaxaca.

People caught on the streets are looking for safe places to hide as the night promises more terror. Radio Universidad is asking its listeners to open their doors and allow people to hide. Now the PFP is entering people’s homes to ransack them and search for protesters. The APPO has made a plea for all national and international organizations in solidarity with the Oaxaca struggle to protest where they can against the brutality of the Mexican federal government in its support of Ulises Ruiz.
(snip/)

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/11/25/18333275.php

[Selatius]

115. It is dangerous to give hope to workers.

When workers get the notion in their collective head that they can do something despite what the employer says, the employer is at their mercy. What better way to subvert the power of an oligarch than by providing workers with a working model of resistance against abusive authority?

[Judi Lynn]

116. Here's an unknown fact from the recent stolen Presidential election:

Nov. 25, 2006, 11:49PM
To some, democracy comes with a price tag
Many Latin Americans sell vote for concrete, cash, false teeth

By JOHN OTIS
South America Bureau

~snip~
Also rampant is voter coercion. According to Mexican electoral watchdog group Civic Alliance, thousands of Mexicans were threatened with the loss of government housing and health benefits if they did not vote for certain candidates in the country's general elections in July.
(snip)

http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4358744.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Just as long as the Bush favorite gets "elected," right?

[lonestarnot]

121. Anything gov. sponsored bring coersive power in this environment.

What a sad fucking state of affairs.

[EFerrari]

134. Right. We are being coerced by the power of our own frickin' purse!

:crazy:

[JimDandy]

117. Thanks for the great reporting, Wiley50

Here's an email I just sent to my local paper to try to jolt them into reporting on this issue. Utah is the reddest state in the nation and this is the reddest paper in the state, so unfortunately they will probably ignore this nudge.
--------------------------------------------

Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 01:53:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Oaxaca Revolt in Mexico
To: [e-mail]

Managing Editor
Deseret News
Salt Lake City, Utah

Dear Mr. Hall,

A major crisis has been developing in Mexico over the past five months starting with the announcement of the extremely questionable results of the Mexican presidential election, which resulted in mass protests by millions of citizens in Mexico City.

The escalating violence reached crisis proportions yesterday, in Oaxaca, Mexico, yet isn't mentioned anywhere in your paper.

http://elenemigocomun.net/548

Why isn't the Deseret News reporting on this?

Forget the Iraqi civil war. (Which, by the way, you also dropped the ball on.) The next potential civil war we must pay attention to is in Mexico.

My family and I are increasingly turning to excellent investigative news sources on the internet, because the Deseret News, our local paper, would rather report fluff or publish verbatim governmental press releases instead of news happenings that have far more critical implications for our state, nation and world.

Please, no more complaining from you about our children's education or their ethics and values. You had your chance. The next generation is looking elsewhere for unbiased, excellent, investigative reporting.

Sign me a formerly frequent reader who is simply ashamed of you for squandering what used to be a valuable teaching tool and educational resource...

[Wiley50]

118. That's One Hell Of An LTTE!

It needs to be send to every media outlet in the country

[Wiley50]

124. MORE PICS

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/11/25/18333212.php#18333216

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/11/25/18333212.php#18333213

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/11/24/18333021.php#18333035

[Wiley50]

125. .

[Wiley50]

126. Morning (and late night) update from Vienitos

babelfish translation


26 nov: Razzias in Oaxaca. Deads, hurt by disappear, firearm are reported, ten of prisoners, levelling.
7ma megamarcha


Events of the day: This dawn they continue razzias in Oaxaca, after the bloody massacre that the Preventive Federal Police against pacific demonstrators in the city of Oaxaca orchestrated yesterday. Through Radio University of Oaxaca they are going ready interminable of people of whom its whereabouts are not known. Testimonies of the attacks. Testimonies of people whom the murders of other people would have seen. It is being called to mobilizations of national and international solidarity for today.

10:47 Radio University to the air: It is summoned to meeting to 12 of the day around Radio University of Oaxaca, to conform committees search of hidden, hurt and disappeared people

9:54 Radio University returns to the air, while patito radio says to know of houses where this hidden the band, estan saying the district of the bunker

8:41 Aparecio Omar Moon Sources but follows missing Uriel Julio Mendez Hernandez, thin, short hair, 1.65 of stature, 18 years, her family has looked for in the hospitals and not aparace to it.

3:08 radio university of Oaxaca leaves the air and returns in the morning to 6.

01:28 are asked to him the people who do not walk single in the streets for evident reasons.

01:27 In level the all calm one except for a light truck of ministerial. A call to the population becomes, if they locate to people who are hiding so that they give asylum them.

01:09 are reported more than 80 lengthy people
By file AT 2006-11-26 01:14 | of the network | Oaxaca | to add new commentary | to read more | to see like pdf | 241 readings
25 nov. 7ma Megamarcha Oaxaca. Trini returns to Atenco. Santiaguito mobilization by Atenco. Oaxaca Repression.

REPRESSION IN OAXACA, IS REPORTED DEAD And HURT BY FIREARMS OF The PFP
Events of the day: To one week of the conclusion of the first route of the commission sixth for the other campaign and to one week of the presidential succession, today 7ma will be carried out megamarcha by the exit of Ulises Ruiz in the city of Oaxaca. The Trini companion returns to San Salvador Atenco, to continue with the fight. In the penitentiary of Santiaguito, Day of protest by the repression, the torture, the violation, the imprisonment, the expulsion of the country and the persecution that have lived the women stopped in Atenco days 3 and 4 of May of this year.

Steering wheels and promo in Audio of 7ma Megamarcha | Video and photos of the march

23:16 Poppies 1429 are where they are torturing three people, they seeded staples to them and today they continue them torturing. It is the office of attention to narcoretail.

23:09 Hay ministerial in the hospital and is with arms of high power, reports by radio university of Oaxaca to the air.

23:08 Hay many missing companions.

22:50 Correspondents of Radio University of Oaxaca were in the place of the facts two hours ago, saw police that operated like paramilitary group, civilian dresses. They were incursionando nonsingle by the space of the medicine faculty, but by all the peripheral one

22:46 Radio University finishes confirming the death of 3 people in the medicine faculty, one of the companions was left wire drawing there outside and to the other two they gathered them and took it. In it completes instance these three companions who went by the medicine faculty, neither they were assassins, nor they were narcotics traffickers, and talvez not even was people of the movement. They sly arrive two clogged light trucks from police dressed civilian, and throw close of 100 shots.

22:46 Also the levellings have been registered of dwelled against the different colonies

22:45 Queremos to demand the federal government who sets free immediate to 6 youngsters, companions who were intercepted and stopped Julieta Sanchez Cross, Carmen Sanchez Cross.

22:43 Comunica the APPO:"hacemos a call to the organisms, to the national and international organizations, to make mobilizations in the consulates of Mexico in the world, to condemn this action of the federal government in the logic to support to the government of Ulises Ruiz Ortiz" We considered important to make a concentration in the university city and from seeing there that next activities we can delineate in the next days: construction of barricades, to show with the dignity of the town oaxaqueño that we are not going to allow to more aggressions against the town oaxaqueño.

the 22:40 PFP is leaving the stage, we do not know if to patrol, or come for 5 gentlemen, or to the center.
By file AT 2006-11-24 22:10 | ATENCO | of the network | Oaxaca | 1 commentary | to read more | to see like pdf | 1767 readings

[EFerrari]

127. AP Fictionalizes: Leftist protesters set fires in Oaxaca

By REBECA ROMERO, Associated Press Writer 39 minutes ago

OAXACA, Mexico - Bands of youths rampaged through downtown Oaxaca early Sunday, torching buildings and cars hours after federal police used tear gas to drive off a violent mob of leftists in the latest spasm of protests against the state governor.
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At least one of the picturesque city's imposing colonial buildings was gutted by flames, and several other buildings were heavily damaged. The gangs also burned 20 private vehicles and attacked three hotels, throwing gasoline bombs at one and smashing windows at two.

Fires damaged four buildings housing government offices, one university building and the state hotel association, which had seen tourism reduced to a trickle by six months of riots and demonstrations demanding that Gov. Ulises Ruiz resign for alleged corruption.

Some of the youthful protesters looted several shops, and dozens of people — including three journalists — suffered minor injuries during the running clashes in the streets.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061126/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_oaxaca_unrest_2

:wow:

[Wiley50]

128. No AP LIES THROUGH THEIR TEETH! n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

130. They did the same in Seattle. Big corporate media reports how the

big corporations wants them to.

[EFerrari]

132. Thank god for the Indy Media. n/t

[EFerrari]

131. I sent it to Media Matters with a list of inaccuracies.

Unfrickenbelievable.

[Wiley50]

129. Live Text Translation Up and Running Now

00:27 < Coyote^> <Coyote^> 17:33 the PFP continue firing tear gas directly at the people to cause injuries
00:27 < Coyote^> <Coyote^> 17:33 people are asked to bring water, vinegar and coca-cola attenuate the effects of tear gas
00:27 < Coyote^> <Coyote^> 17:46 PFP continues firing gases and cannisters at people
00:28 < Coyote^> 17:56 PFP is advancing slowly on the parallel streets to Aldama, the resistance follows very hard
00:29 < Coyote^> long sentence after that i can't follow about gas drifting into barrios
00:29 * luna 7th megamarch minute by minute 25th nobember 2006 oaxaca ciudad rebelde
00:32 < Coyote^> 18:08 reports from eastern districts of the city people are experiencing burning eyes and throats, indicating that PFP gas is drifting, causing potential respiratory problems for children the elderly and ill
00:34 < Coyote^> 18:05 strong confrontations continue in the city center, PFP attacks are strong but the people resist
00:37 < Coyote^> 8:07 people are called to build barricades, to support the University City environs where the PFP is advancing
00:40 < Coyote^> 8:04 confrontations continue in several streets around the zocalo, people report so much gas it is impossible to see or breath
00:41 < Coyote^> 18:13 PFP surrounding Santo Domingo, compa injured in arm by projectile
00:45 < Coyote^> 18:53night has come, ask for foods. There are several injured, the complete list shortly. Report by Radio University of Oaxaca to the air.
00:46 < Coyote^> 18:54 mobilizations of PFP in el cerro del fortín
00:49 < Coyote^> Oaxaca Libre: 18:52 PFP advances to cinema club El Pochote, the members of APPO fall back. people in taxis are firing gas at the protestors as they retreat
00:50 < Coyote^> 18:59 "we saw approximately 30 compassurrounded by pfp and gassed" reports from Oaxaca via msn
01:01 < Coyote^> 19:08 rumors are circulating that the preventive federal police will try to enter radio oaxaca university
01:02 < Coyote^> 19:09 many prisoners reported. The count forthcoming, demanding the presentation alife and in good health
01:04 < Coyote^> 19:14 Radio Universidad de Oaxaca: confrontation reported in calle Miguel Cabrera near the market 20 de noviembre
01:14 < Coyote^> 19:21 the tear gases that are being fired in the historical center of the city of Oaxaca at this moment are are drifting to all the city of Oaxaca.
01:16 < Coyote^> 19:21 reports that people are advancing to 5 señores.
01:17 < Coyote^> video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWFPoEikqI
01:17 < Coyote^> fotos: http://www.oaxacalibre.org/oax06/main.php?g2_itemId=840
01:19 < Coyote^> 19:29 Report from Santo Domingo: attack of the PFP continues, throwing and shooting tear chemical projectiles.
01:20 < leo> the PFP took over santo domingo
01:20 < leo> the radio is calling for the "colonies" to take to the streets
01:27 < Coyote^> 19:31 PFP has surrounded people and are advancing from the different intersections
01:32 < Coyote^> 19:39 four trucks at the barricade of 5 señores, leading pfp and ministerial police
01:34 < Coyote^> 19:40 PFP rounding up people in the zocalo, firing weapons and making arrests
01:35 < Coyote^> 19:41 Report by radio university of Oaxaca on the air: there are wounded by tear gas grenades and shootings
01:35 < zapATIsta> this may be old news but I think a bus was rammed into a police line.
01:36 < Coyote^> 19:46 radio university from oaxaca calls the people to the streets because the demonstrators are surrounded in the center of Oaxaca and the PFP is shooting firearms.
01:38 < Coyote^> 19:47 señor Taurino Ojeda, 45 years of age, also has been injured by a bullet in the left leg
01:38 * luna ppl please can you have conversations on the indymedia channel? this one is meant for coyote translating the minute by minute events! thnka!!
01:40 < Coyote^> 19:48 Report by radio university of oaxaca on the air: security commision of APPO reports that the comrades in South part of Santo Domingo regroup and harass the pfp in the North part
01:52 < Coyote^> 19:52 radio requests food, drinks and vinegar be brought to the sites where people are being attacked. Also support for all positions is requested
01:54 < Coyote^> 19:55 calls to reinforce the confrontation, to rescue the streets. To take vinegar. red taxis throwing gas at protestors
01:56 < Coyote^> 19:52 medical aid requested at all points
01:59 < Coyote^> 20:08 PFP returned to corner of Alcala and Abasolo, four shots fired
02:04 < Coyote^> 0:23 Radio University of Oaxaca: at this moment a large number of trucks of PFP and ministrial police on Avenida del Ferrocarril
02:08 < Coyote^> 20:17 confrontations continue, PFP using gasses, ministerial police shooting (phone report from Oaxaca)
02:09 < Coyote^> 19:51 barricade gone up near social security building in Oaxaca
02:11 < Coyote^> 20:20 man with gun shot to leg reported stable, but many other seriously injured, burning cars exploding
02:15 < Coyote^> 20:20 many arrests reported
02:18 < Coyote^> 20:27 8 compañeros taken in PFP continue shooting directly at people, many wounded
02:20 < Coyote^> 20:31 radio asks people to open their doors to people being attacked by cops
02:23 < Coyote^> 20:32 PFP advances on bus station with light tanks. radio calls for people to not disperse
02:24 < Coyote^> 20:35 the churches of the oaxaca center are closed
02:26 < Coyote^> 20:36 people of the world called to Mexican Embassies and Consulates to stop the slaugter
02:28 < Coyote^> 20:37 reports that the Ministry of Foreign Relations burning in Oaxaca
02:29 < Coyote^> 20:39 Radio Universidad calls for people to puncture tires of patrols
02:37 < Coyote^> 20:46 house searches by PFP reported
02:39 < Coyote^> 20:48 police in plain clothes in "el biche pobre" restaurant
02:43 < Coyote^> 20:54 attacks on the compañeros near the social security building
02:44 < Coyote^> 20:54 In avenue chapultepec (Oaxaca) are burned cars and trucks
02:45 < Coyote^> 20:56 arrests at social security building
02:46 < Coyote^> 20:57 On avenue chapultepec many arrests and beatings (telephone report)
02:47 < Coyote^> 20:58 police in plain clothes attack bus station, tourists and others running for safety
02:53 < Coyote^> 21:03 in the social security hospital, police in white gowns detaining injured
02:56 < Coyote^> 21:05 APPO asks the people to retire
03:00 < gus> from streets?
03:00 < Coyote^> 21:08 Department of Interior warns APPO that any violent resistance will be met with the Army, warning send via Catholic Church
03:01 < Coyote^> 21:10 Radio University calls to fall back to the University
03:09 < Coyote^> 21:18 five PFP trucks leave Channel 9, probably patrolling to kidnap people in the area
03:11 < Coyote^> 21:21 Priistas reorganizándose en la fuente de las siete regiones
03:11 < Coyote^> <medianoche> 21:21 En la colonia _______ vienen levantando de manera indiscriminada a todos los ciudadanos
03:11 < Coyote^> eeks
03:12 < MillaRussi> english x_x
03:12 < Coyote^> 21:21 PRI members reorganizing in foutain of las siete regiones
03:15 < Coyote^> 21:24 people in Neza city call demonstration of protest for tommorow
03:15 < Coyote^> Peoples of the world called to action tommorow
03:16 < MillaRussi> what?
03:20 < pseudo_> Im going to translate....
03:21 < pseudo_> isnt this a war act mr abascal????
03:21 < pseudo_> where is the priest of oaxaca, he must be happy now
03:22 < pseudo_> please stay united
03:22 < pseudo_> avoid isolated groups
03:22 < MillaRussi> is this the translation?!
03:22 < pseudo_> and knock on peoples doors
03:23 < pseudo_> to search for protection
03:23 < pseudo_> (yes this is the translation milla)
03:23 < MillaRussi> tnx
03:23 < pseudo_> to our comrades downtown... retrieve, go to the churches, to homes
03:24 < pseudo_> we have been informed that the army is on its way
03:24 < pseudo_> 6 trucks from the pfp are going to 5 señores
03:24 < pseudo_> if you cant stand the barricade, retrieve to radio universidad
03:24 < pseudo_> A call....
03:25 < pseudo_> radio universidad is the safest place to be now... eventohgh the army may enter our university
03:26 < pseudo_> you may not be able to reach radio universidad, please try to hide inside the houses and churches
03:26 < pseudo_> the army is comming
03:26 < pseudo_> please find a place to hide
03:26 < pseudo_> we dont want any more tourtured, killed, arrested comrades
03:26 < pseudo_> we have not been defeated, its a tactical retrieve
03:27 < pseudo_> please hide our comrades on your homes, show solidarity
03:27 < pseudo_> if they find our comrades outside on the streets they are going to have a very bad time
03:27 < pseudo_> (a poem)
03:28 < pseudo_> (music)
03:33 < pseudo_> we ask people to call secretaria de governacion 015550933400
03:33 < pseudo_> to inform them about the violations agains the people of oaxaca
03:34 < pseudo_> please ve carefull because pfp is entering private homes
03:34 < pseudo_> we ask red cross to help in the zocalo area
03:35 < pseudo_> we have information that there are PFPs dressed as doctors on the hospital
03:36 < pseudo_> people all over oaxaca, if you have a missing family member, please inform it to radio universidad
03:36 < pseudo_> people is beeing beated in the zocalo
03:36 < pseudo_> my head has now a price...
03:36 < pseudo_> they have ofered money for my head, how cowards
03:37 < pseudo_> (Sorry about the cut translation, im experiencing problems with my stream)
03:38 < pseudo_> (music)
03:38 < Coyote^> 21:36 people who came from District Federal asked to come to University City
03:43 < pseudo_> salomon diaz, call your sisters house
03:43 < pseudo_> pedro ignacio cervantes, call home
03:44 < pseudo_> we have been informed, that one of the arrested comrades is mario aquino silva
03:45 < pseudo_> 9330 police patrol has arrested and beated comrades
03:45 < pseudo_> a group of comrades has been rounded near downtown
03:45 < pseudo_> they wont let them out
03:45 < pseudo_> near pochote
03:46 < pseudo_> julio morales call home
03:47 < pseudo_> felipe calderon well done...
03:47 < pseudo_> you are not still president and you have already showed your rage against us
03:47 < luna> pseudo
03:47 < pseudo_> thats your peace, the peace you always talk about
03:48 < pseudo_> we are not talking the same lenguage....
03:48 < pseudo_> this is not peace
03:48 < pseudo_> thats the way it is
03:48 < pseudo_> people from oaxaca please inform us if you have missing persons
03:49 < pseudo_> people from APPO consejo, please stay in contact with radio universidad
03:50 < pseudo_> im amazed about the braveness of our people from oaxaca
03:51 < pseudo_> Congratulations to PFP for they braveness that they showed when attaqued our women, our children
03:51 < pseudo_> attacking our unarmed people
03:51 < luna> pseudo_look at the private message
03:52 < pseudo_> I wish you were as brave as you where today to go against armed people
03:52 < pseudo_> to go against narcos
03:52 < pseudo_> you should be fighting crime
03:52 < pseudo_> but you do nothing....
03:53 < pseudo_> somehow, rebels like us are much more dangerous than organized crime
04:09 < MillaRussi> ?!
04:12 < Coyote^> just music at the moment, milla
04:12 < Coyote^> Topic is 'no talking in here, ONLY radio transcripts
04:12 < MillaRussi> tnx ;)
04:22 < Coyote^> 22:09 shooting that lasted two minutes by the medicine faculty, firing came from light trucks. Shouts were heard in the colony
04:24 < Coyote^> 22:38 Radio University of Oaxaca reports 8 full trucks of the military who left 28th military zone on course to the socle of the city of oaxaca
04:26 < Coyote^> 22:36 In the fountain of seven regions the ministerial police regroups, in bunker, cascade, attacking people they see in the street and shots in the reform (source: via msn from oax
04:29 < Coyote^> 22:40 another gunshot injury reported by radio universidad
04:34 < Coyote^> 22:41 report of the commission of press of the APPO according to the resolve of the council of APPO to make the SEventh Megamarch a peaceful wall, we now ask all organizations of human rights to put there eyes in Oaxaca
04:36 < Coyote^> 22:43 "we make a call to the organisms, to the national and international organizations, to make mobilizations in the consulates of Mexico in the world, to condemn this action of the federal government in support of the government of Ulises Ruiz Ortiz"
04:36 < leo> 3 deaths reported at the school of medicine
04:38 < Coyote^> 22:44 We consider it very important to have a concentration in the university city and see there that next activities we can undertake in the coming days: construction of barricades, to show with the dignity of the town oaxaqueño that we are not going to allow to more aggressions against the oaxaqueño people
04:41 < Coyote^> 22:51 sixty comrades being held in zocalo being lead towards Tlacolula
04:44 < Coyote^> 22:53 PFP makign arrests in homes
04:49 < Coyote^> 22:54 Humberto de la Peña independent lawyer of the D.F., denounces on radio university of Oaxaca the halting of three young people who are being tortured
04:50 < Coyote^> 22:58: eight armed police enter hospital after shootings in front of the medical facility, forced out by medical personel
04:52 < Coyote^> 23:01 trucks with heavily armed civilians patrol the entire city
04:55 < Coyote^> 23:03, reports that workers of the department of health arrested and taken away in city busses
04:57 < Coyote^> 23:08 many comrades missing
05:00 < Coyote^> 22:46 radio universidad confirms the death of three at the medical facility
05:07 < Coyote^> 23:16 Amapolas 1429 is where three people are being tortured who were taken yesterday
06:01 < Coyote^> 00:08 testimony of the medicine faculty: "We went to see, 3 boys went towards the medicine door on the sidewalk" 3 light trucks of police stopped "the people who went towards them began to run"
06:09 < Coyote^> we we put to the entrance of urgencies "the only thing that we reached to listen was an interval of 2 minutes of shots, of shots" there was a boy thrown in the door "nobody went see if the police remained there in the source of the seven regions" were reviewing the people who happened that way
06:12 < Coyote^> "the comrade was assassinated? -"he was unconcious and nobody wanted to go to see with the police there
06:26 < Coyote^> list of the disappeared:
06:26 < Coyote^> Humberto VAzquerz Hernandez

http://www.iteration.org/radioappo.txt



06:27 < Coyote^> Miguel y Manuel Cruz Cruz
06:27 < Coyote^> Justino Juárez Martínez
06:27 < Coyote^> David Melchor Cervantes de la facultad de derecho
06:28 < Coyote^> señor procoro pascual
06:28 < Coyote^> ignacio tablada galindo
06:29 < Coyote^> lost track
06:29 < Coyote^> Javier Sosa Martínez desaparecido, se le vió por última vez a las 8:30 en la colonia herrera
06:38 < User48> Hola
06:40 < Coyote^> 00:50 In the Ejido Guadalupe Victoria there is a large truck, the police seem to be taking people there to torture them
06:42 < Pablo> I;m listening to the AMLO's Radio
06:43 < Pablo> this chat room is English only?
06:45 < Coyote^> no talking in here, ONLY radio transcripts
06:45 < Coyote^> por favor
06:45 < Pablo> ok
06:47 < gus> ( Pablo that nick is already registered, change it, pls)
06:49 < Coyote^> lawyers statement on the air: people of the world, please help us. in oaxaca we are alone: there are no human rights, no civil rights, without courts, without justice,
09:06 * luna is away: ido
14:27 * luna is back (gone 05:20:47)
14:59 < Coyote^> radio is back on

[EFerrari]

133. I emailed this report w/out link to the AP.

I told them that I would hate for Rebeca Romero to have to work so hard creating fiction when the facts are so readily available. :evilgrin:

[Wiley50]

135. IInteresting Logfile Links of Last Night from OSAG

History as it happened

Logfiles yesterday's events when they happened; Re: Radio Universidad Streaming



See logfiles below, about how events were reported and developed last night:

Here is part of the Radio APPO/Universidad logfile on a Wiki of my site:
http://cxs2.info/w/index.php?title=Log_Radio_Appo
(Actually, someone started translating pretty late, but there was no official log of this channel, so I copied it to this page &edited)

Most action was on channel #mexico instead; spanish and english, radioappo transcripts; everything together, instead of #radioappo. Someone had everything logged and copied into this page I've made:
http://cxs2.info/w/index.php?title=Logfile_Mexico
(I'm going to edit it, but that takes some time; its a lot; look back some hours later)



I had to take cover 5 times in a small room in the back of my hotel. With the first massive PFP attack on the Santo Domingo, I then even had to put my jacket over my head to filter the gasses in that room. When I came back, the PFP was in the streets, but later returned. I saw APPO starting burning the main door of Camino Real before. A few minutes later when I quickly looked into the street, 4 teargas grenades were flying at the same second into my direction. However; far way; at that main door. I've heard the shooting far away in the North after 10; later that turned out to be the killing of 3 people at Facultad de Medicina. I don't kno where those war reporters stayed that were flew in, some even from Irak. But the offcial press didn't investigate these killings yet. Probably they're used to stay in their hotels when things get tough.

(just a short report; not in the mood to write a longer one right now; later...)

[Wiley50]

136. We Need LTTE's, Emails and Radio Stream Monitors (spanish speaking)

These people need our help down there

lawyers statement on the air: "people of the world, please help us. in oaxaca we are alone: there are no human rights, no civil rights, without courts, without justice,"

[Wiley50]

137. Radio Universidad is Broadcasting Under seige

They are surrounded by federal troops.

Their air broadcast signal is being jammmed.

That's why we need to monitor the stream aND GET THE WORD OUT

Radio Universidad/Oaxaca is the heart of the Oaxaca People's Movement.

They are the only real news coming out of Oaxaca
after the events of last night.

We need people to monitor the Radio Universidad stream
and post in this thread what is being broadcast
especially regarding accurate counts of dead, wounded, arrested/disappeared.

The link is here:

http://radio.indymedia.org:8000/appo.mp3.m3u

We also need to start an email and LTTE campaign
to petition media outlets and mexican consulates worldwide

STOP THE VIOLENT REPRESSION OF THE PEOPLE OF OAXACA!

Please write or call the Mexican Consulates and ask them to remove the
Federal Police and military from Oaxaca.

Here is the url for a list of Mexican consulates in the US and Canada.

If there is not one in your state or province just call a few of them.

http://www.mexonline.com/consulate.htm

Please spread this far and wide.

[Wiley50]

139. GOV. ULISES RUIZ ORTEGA MAKES APPEARANCE IN OAXACA

from OSAG

Ulises was here half an hour ago.

He spoke to the workers that started cleaning up the Santo Domingo church area from 7AM on.

Several army helicopters were i the air; one was ebcircling the meeting and Zocalo.

Another went to Radio Universidad area.

Then he left quickly.

Cowardly? No, he was a very brave man to come here after all that time! And he had called some friendly PRI governments police in this morning, who were heavily armed patroling almost at every street corner. He was a very brave man to come her, after PFP, paramilitaries, PRI-gangs, PRI-police, army choppers, etc. As a captain, he was thelast man that left the ship..., or something..?

Other news: The murders seem to be sure; near Facultad de Medicina.

But strange enough all those real war reporters who came here the last days (some even from Baghdad), didn't do their work. Then there are eye witnesses, they are scared. I might get some report. Some even saw a body (fatally shot) dropping against the door/window of the building he/she was in (Radio APPO).



APPO reports 6 murders in total (at some point even a source told 9 killed):

http://actualidad.terra.es/nacional/articulo/appo_denuncia_muerte_manifestantes_ultimos_1236174.htm



Here some articles

http://www.ansa.it/ansalatina/notizie/notiziari/mexico/20061126173734123207.html



HERE THE LAST DETAINED & MISSING LIST:

http://vientos.info/wiki/index.php?Lista%20detenidos%20y%20desaparecidos%2025%20de%20nov



Lista detenidos y desaparecidos 25 de nov

DETENIDOS

Vani Trinidad Coca Gómez (menor de edad) Hilda Coca Gómez Roque Coca Gómez Helia Coca Gómez Tobe Hilbert Omar Cristian Marcel (UNAM) Ofelia Cesar Mateos Jorge Sosa (hermano Flavio Sosa)

DESAPARECIDOS___

Uriel Julio Méndez Hernández Humberto Vazquez Hernández Ignacio Tablada Galindo Probio Pascual Miguel Cruz Cruz Manuel Cruz Cruz Isai Cruz Martinez Julián Alejandro Ortega Ponces Eber Cruz Pérez David Melchor Cervantes (Estudiante de Derecho UABJO) Justino Juárez Martinez Marcos Herrera Jesus Herrera Eduardo Herrera Javier Sosa Martínez Cesar Herrera Ofelia Esperanza Robles Cruz (detenida-desaparecida) María del Socorro Cruz Alarcón (detenida-desaparecida) Luis Manuel Pacheco Vázquez (estudiante Facultad de Medicina UABJO) Edith Coca Soriano (detenida-desaparecida) Guadalupe Crea Hernández Rosario Alicia Villanueva Florentino Gomez Juan Andres Pacheco Vazquez Donato Vazquez Ortiz (menor 16 años) 8 compañeros de la Coalición de Maestros y Promotores indígenas de Oaxaca (CEMPIO) adherentes de la otra campaña Dionisio Gonzalez (profe, pintor) AureliaSantiago? Reyes Victoria Santiago Reyes Gonzalo Santiago Gerardo (Soriana) Sarah Ivette (francesa) Carlos el guero (df) Paco (guadalajara) Janitzio y sus papas Miguel (vieron cuando lo apañaron) Heberto (Chimalapas)

[Cleita]

140. This just got pulled.

http://www.ansa.it/ansalatina/notizie/notiziari/mexico/...

La notizia e' stata cancellata.

[Wiley50]

142. No Shit! What Kind of site is that anyway

I got that link from a poster at

groups.yahoo.com/oaxacastudyactiongroup

[Wiley50]

141. Resistance and Repression in Oaxaca

Resistance and Repression in Oaxaca
Written by Luis Hernández Navarro. IRC Americas
Monday, 20 November 2006

Source: IRC Americas

A profound political crisis is shaking up Mexico. The rules that regulate the balance of power between elites have been violated. From above, there is no agreement or any possibility for one in the short term.

A severe crisis in the model of control has eroded relationships of domination in many parts of Mexican national territory. People accustomed to obeying have refused to do so. People who think they are destined to rule have been unable to impose their command. Those from below have become disobedient. When those on the top want to impose their opinion from above, in the name of the law, they are ignored from below. Nowhere is the breakdown in control and the effervescence of rebellion as obvious as in the state of Oaxaca.

Oaxaca is a state plagued with social problems. It is a Mexican tourist enclave, surrounded by poverty where people survive on remittances sent by migrant workers abroad. Within its territory one finds land struggles, confrontations between caciques(local bosses ) and coyotes (migrant smugglers), local government conflicts, ethnic revenge, fights for better prices for agricultural products, and resistance against the authoritarian state.

Since May 15, Oaxaca has been in the throes of its most massive and significant social movement in recent history. The protest begun by Section 22 of the national teachers' union (SNTE, for its initials in Spanish) soon became the expression of the social contradictions in the state. It is not at all unusual that teachers mobilize for pay raises around the time of the contract negotiation. This time it has gone well beyond a union struggle to fuse protests of many groups. Oaxacan society has come out in force to show its solidarity with the teachers and add in other demands and grievances. Around 350 organizations, indigenous communities, unions, and non-profits have jointed to form the Popular Assembly of the People of Oaxaca (APPO).
Lessons from the Teachers

The teachers' movement is the only democratic force with a presence throughout the state. It's the only organization capable of making their political presence felt simultaneously in every municipality of the state.

Oaxacan teachers work in precarious conditions. Their students arrive at school with empty stomachs and drop out so they can help their families work in the fields. Their classrooms are entirely unequipped. In order to get to the communities they work in, they often have to invest their own time and money in transportation, using roads that only exist in official reports. Teachers have come to identify closely with the precarious conditions of their communities they work in and become not only fighters within their union, but the voices of the community's demands as well.

The protest in Oaxaca started as an expression of the union's struggle for a pay raise based on rezoning cost of living scales. This is nothing new with respect to struggles in years past. Their protest began on the same symbolic and traditional date as it has for many years: May 15, Teacher's Day. It is also common to use the presidential succession, to increase pressure on the government to negotiate.

The protest radicalized as a result of the state government's refusal to respond to their demands. Instead of sitting down to negotiate, the governor threatened the teachers, and then sent police to forcefully evacuate education workers camped out in downtown Oaxaca. The outrageous repression of June 14 radicalized the teachers, and from then on they demanded the resignation of the state governor. Instead of seeking solutions, the federal government pretended not to notice and said that it was a local issue over which it had no authority.

This explosive political situation was further polarized as a result of the last Oaxacan gubernatorial election. Gabino Cué, backed by the ex governor Diódoro Carrasco and a coalition of the majority of opposition parties, confronted Ulises Ruiz, one of the main operators of Madrazo, at that time candidate of the Institutional Revolution Party (PRI) for the presidency. The tight win by the PRI was seriously questioned by Cué supporters, who claimed election fraud against him.

The teachers feel such responsibility to their communities that the majority of them left the capital occupation for a few weeks to end the school year with their communities. Since classes are out they have returned to the city to carry out their plan of action. The city of Oaxaca is theirs.
The Movement Grows

The claims of the teachers quickly found an echo in a broad cross-section of Oaxacan society. Bothered by the electoral fraud that brought Ulises Ruiz to power, as well as governmental violence against the group of community and regional organizations, thousands of Oaxacans took the streets and more than 30 town halls.

Since that time a large part of the society does not recognize Ulises Ruiz as governor. Since a May 25 meeting between Ruiz and the Negotiation Commission, they have not seen him. July 11 the APPO began, successfully, a round of pacific civil disobedience that seeks to make obvious the lack of governance and authority that exists in the state.

The movement took political control of the city of Oaxaca. Since the occupation by federal police that retook the center on Oct. 29, the movement has blocked the entrances to expensive downtown hotels and the local airport; it obstructs traffic and impedes the entrance to public buildings and the state congress.

Ruiz, desperate to keep power, betrayed his boss, PRI presidential candidate Roberto Madrazo, proposing at a meeting of PRI state governors that they recognize PAN candidate Felipe Calderón as the winner of the presidential contest. The federal government, needing allies to confront the protests over presidential election fraud, has responded by maintaining the teetering governor.

As time passes the situation worsens. On July 22 a group of 20 unknown people fired high-powered weapons at the Radio Universidad facilities. The university radio station, run by the movement, has been converted into a formidable instrument of information and social mobilization. The same day Molotov cocktails were thrown at several movement leaders.
Dirty War

Physical violence against protesters is not new to Oaxaca. In the ‘80s Amnesty International published a broad report documenting human rights violations in rural areas of Oaxaca and Chiapas. Taking power by force, murders of political dissidents, forced disappearances, and arbitrary detentions have been common instruments used by a succession of state governments to maintain control in the state.

The list of atrocities committed by the government of Ulises Ruiz against the teachers movement and the APPO grows day by day. Combined with the lack of governance and stability in the state a serious human rights crisis has emerged.

The assassination of dissenting citizens at the hands of hired hit men and plainclothes police, open fire against newspapers and independent radio stations, kidnapping and torture of social leaders by paramilitaries, death threats, underground detention centers, arson of buses by groups affiliated with PRI authorities, and random detention without warrant of movement leaders are some of the aggressions committed against the civic movement that demands the resignation of the governor.

The novel aspects of the violence against resisters is that it seeks to dispel and intimidate the broadest and most vigorous social movement the state has seen in decades, and—with the exception of the October police offensive—it is done “unofficially.” This means that the majority of the repressive acts are executed by state police and paramilitaries dressed as civilians.

The state government does not usually admit to responsibility for these incidents, although it has admitted that it his holding some of the individuals originally “disappeared” in high-security prisons. In Oaxaca a new episode is being played out of the dirty war that shook the country in the ‘70s and ‘80s and resulted in the disappearance of 1,200 people.

To “justify” the dirty war, the government and part of the media have spread the message that the Oaxacan popular movement has been “infiltrated” by leftist, politically militant organizations that have radicalized the protest. But the movement for the resignation of the governor has been explicitly framed as an act of civil disobedience, and has followed clearly pacifistic paths. At no time has the APPO used firearms in their actions. The radicalism comes from the governmental authoritarianism. The violence is originating from the other side.
An Organized Society

Oaxacan society is highly organized into ethnopolitical groups, communities, farms, producers, unions, and environmental and immigrant defense groups. It has built solid, permanent transnational networks. The traditional methods of governmental domination, based on a combination of co-opting, negotiation, division, manipulation of demands and repression, have run out. The new dirty war has become the last resort of a cornered political class to recover the chain of command.

In Mexico there is a long history of social struggles that precipitate larger scale conflicts. They are an alarm bell that alerts a country to serious political problems that have not been resolved. For example, the workers' strikes at Cananea and Rio Blanco are recognized as predecessors to the Mexican Revolution of 1910-1917. The popular movement that has shaken Oaxaca since May is an expression of this type of protests. It has revealed the end of the old forms of domination, the crisis between the political class and society, and the path that the people's discontent could take throughout the country.

The movement has ceased to be a traditional struggle or protest and begun to transform itself into an embryo of an alternative government. The governmental institutions are increasingly empty shells without authority or public confidence, while the people's assemblies have become the site of construction of a new political mandate.
Federal Police Force Arrives

When the federal government finally sends the federal police, in the streets of Oaxaca the people confront them with peaceful protests. They hold up handwritten banners that state simply: “leave, you're not welcome.” Thousands of people use their bodies as their only weapon to resist the political aggression. Through their actions, they convert fear into anger, humiliation into dignity.

At three of the barricades the tension is higher. People throw sticks and stones. A few decide to toss Molotov cocktails. Others launch bottle rockets. From Radio Universidad, the voice of the movement against Ulises Ruiz, announcers urge protesters repeatedly to use pacific means to confront the incursion of federal troops. Be patience, be calm, be smart, they warn. Don't let yourself be provoked, they insist.

The government's offer to carry out a clean dissuasion operation with no physical contact goes up in smoke in the first moments. Empty words. The police throw tear gas, wave their clubs around, shoot off firearms, ransack private homes, detain individuals, confront journalists, and seize their materials. Their byword is advance with all you've got. They take over public buildings, erase evidence of their mistakes and excesses, and make their strength felt.
Fighting Fire with Gasoline

As in Atenco, the government launches a huge media campaign to cover up the atrocities of its henchmen. Fox declares there are no deaths, that the results are “a clean record.” But the voice of the dead exposes the truth. More than 50 detainees refute him. The wounded deny his words.

The battle of Oaxaca is the most important popular revolt in many years and could mark the future of social protest in Mexico. Although the powerful say that the police incursion was to guarantee public safety, what is really behind the repression is the destruction of the newly woven grassroots social consciousness and the decision to support Ulises Ruiz.

While federal forces act like an occupying army swollen by the positions it has managed to retake, Oaxacans fly hundreds of Mexican flags and sing the national anthem. In the fight for patriotic symbols, the government loses the first round. A short time after the federal forces took the center of the city and strategic positions, citizens put up new barricades behind their backs. People from highland communities come down to the capital to support the movement. They didn't just come to march in a demonstration. A human fence has arisen that surrounds the aggressors.

There is no way to return to normalcy through violence. No way to knit the social fabric through police occupation. Governing requires that the governed recognize the legitimacy of their leaders. This acceptance does not exist in Oaxaca and will never be attained with clubs and boots. Quite the opposite, the fermenting inconformity has spread all over the country because of the new aggressions. If until now some sectors of society had remained neutral, the federal offensive has obliged them to take part.

The images on the seven o'clock news of confrontations between made-in-Mexico robocops and the students and Oaxacan neighbors that defended the university on Day of the Dead made it around the world. The Mexican police were defeated by a popular uprising and the media bore witness.

The battle for Oaxaca is not over yet. On the contrary, the solution to this conflict is more complicated now than ever and the resolution even further away. As the unavoidable saying goes: they tried to put out the fire with gasoline.

The latest move of the people's movement has been to convert their protest into a central item on the national agenda. The following months will be marked by the conflict. The federal government has got itself into a quagmire that it can't get out of.

Oaxaca is today, more than ever, Mexico. The civil disobedience there is close to becoming a popular uprising that, far from wearing out, grows and becomes more radical every day. The establishment of forms of self-government is reminiscent of the Paris Commune of 1871. The way things are going, the example set by the nascent Oaxaca Commune is far from being limited to that state. It could be a taste of what may sweep the country due to the governmental refusal to clear up and clean up the presidential elections of July 2.

Translated for the IRC Americas Program by Katherine Kohlstedt.

Luis Hernández Navarro is Opinion Editor at La Jornada in Mexico, where parts of this text were published. He is a collaborator with the Americas Program online at www.americaspolicy.org.


For More Information

Hernández Navarro, Luis. Oaxaca: la muralla autoritaria: www.jornada.unam.mx/2006/06/15/004a1pol.php (15/06/2006)

Hernández Navarro, Luis. La comuna de Oaxaca: www.jornada.unam.mx/2006/07/25/021a1pol.php (25/07/2006)

Hernández Navarro, Luis. Oaxaca: el regreso de la guerra sucia: www.jornada.unam.mx/2006/08/15/023a2pol.php (15/07/2006)

Luis Hernández Navarro. Oaxaca, magisterio y lucha armada: www.jornada.unam.mx/2006/08/29/025a2pol.php (29/09/2006)

Luis Hernández Navarro. Oaxaca, México: www.jornada.unam.mx/2006/11/07/index.php?section=opinion&article=027a1pol (07/11/06)

Source: IRC Americas

[Wiley50]

143. .

[Wiley50]

144. VERY INTERESTING ANALYSIS by member of OSAG

My own two cents: Analysis of yesterdays events, and after reading
today's La Jornada,,,

I'd like to focus attention of the pattern of attacks, the configuration
of people, the behavior of the feds, and other events of yesterdays
battles, and congeal them into a coherent analysis. First some
corrections....

Instead of the Oaxacan legislative buildings and External Relations
buildings being burned as I reported, those buildings or offices that
were on fire were: the Poder Judicial Federal (federal judicial power,
ie federal courts), Tribunal Superior de Justicia del Estado (Superior
Court of the State), El Teatro Juarez (the Juarez theatre, and used to
be the seat of the State Congress), La Secretaria de Turismo de la
Entidad (the Ministry of state tourism), and different commercial
establishments...

Those buildings damaged were: the Relaciones Exteriores (various federal
offices of the foreign relations ministry), the Registro Publico de la
Propiedad (public Registrar of Property), Facultad de Sociologia de
UABJO (Sociology Faculty building), La Asociacion Mexicana de Hoteles y
Moteles (State chapter of the Mex Association of Hotels and Motels).

Plus El Hotel Camino Real, and two big houses suffered minor damage from
molotov cocktails.

And yesterdays reports that there were 8 trucks leaving the 28th Zone
Military Base for the zocalo, never was confirmed and obviously never
arrived at their supposed destination (unless they are there right now,
and I have yet to hear it). However, today La Jornada reports that at
11pm last night there were attacks at the 28th Zone Military base by
unknown assailants. And last night there was an indirect warning from
the Interior Ministry, thru Church officials, to RU or APPO reps (no
sure which) that was duly reported by RU. However, according to todays
news, no direct message was transmitted to APPO negotiators by the
Interiror Ministry, and unlike the last big confrontation (Nov 1 or 2)
where Fox and Abascal convened an emergency cabinet level meeting in DF,
this time they continued to attend a frivolous Guanajuato goodbye
luncheon (with no urgency of leaving for DF, and convening cabinet).

Also there were eye witness reports that before the battles started
there were strange civilian characters congregating in distinct groups,
distinct from other demonstrators, in and around the zocalo, and
distinct from the young people (anarcho punkers, for lack of a better
word), and others who were a part of the mega march. And it was reported
today that during the back and forth battles between APPO and the PFP,
in and around Santo Domingo church, some of these civilians were chasing
and shooting at people running away from Santo Domingo, away from the
PFP.

Meanwhile, the ordinary federal forces, the PFP, the state ministerial
police, and their commanders, IMO seemed to have been unawares of all
the actors involved and played their predictable roles. And after the
military base was attacked, is when there were reports/rumours spread of
them leaving their bases...

Of course, today's headline of the Milenio newspaper suggested, well,
explicitly accused the APPO for everything that transpired yesterday,
and no doubt the official intl newswires will parrot this
interpretation.

However, I think what La Jornada journalists are suggesting, without
actually saying it, and what others suspected yesterday, is that an
unseen hand was at work. That unseen hand was the premeditated
preparations of the state and/or fed priistas in anticipation of the
megamarch. I'll even go so far as to say that the federal govt was
either involved or were informed of these plans. The reason La Jornada
doesnt explicitly accuse priistas, is because as they present the
infromation, above portrayed, is that it is an obvious conclusion (at
least in mexico) by the way priistas have behaved in the past.

So if we look at the targets, buildings and institutions, that were
attacked, we see a tendency to the federal targets, rather than state.
Why would that be suspicious? Because the state priistas know that
provoking the feds, gets their attention, and the more probability of a
strong reaction. Of course the priistas want the reaction to be against
the APPO, and not themselves. The other interesting target is the Motela
nd hotel association, and certain commercial establishments. It is
fairly well known that business people are vulnerable because of their
substantial investments, and it is fairly well known that the local
priista establishment know which businesses need further convincing of
either their support, or their quiet acquiesance. The blatant attack on
the military base is an obvious provocation, to create more repression
againt the APPO, as APPO would be their obvious target, if and when they
entered the fray on the streets...

The local PRI establishemnts are conniving SOBs whether they feel
threatened or when it is business as usual, and like I have said, they
have alot of statewide resources and organizational capacity, and should
not be underestimated at the extent of their complicity and autonomous
initiative (as in, for their own interests and independent of the
federal arm of the party, and beyond federal govt control). That doesnt
mean the feds dont know this, but themselves manipulate these local
establishments for their own ends...

Yesterdays events were a classic revelation of Mexican social reality...

[Wiley50]

145. These companies do business in Oaxaca

These companies do business in Oaxaca

Allies against Rio Tinto can be garned from those who've organized
against its human rights and environmental abuses in Indonesia, and I'm
sure elsewhere.
As for Duke Energy, we have potential allies in the UMW,
environmentalists and outraged utility consumers here in the US.


Rio Tinto PLC
6 St James's Square
London SW1Y 4LD
United Kingdom
Tel. [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Rio Tinto Ltd.
33rd Floor
55 Collins Street
Melbourne, VIC, 3001
Australia
Tel. [phone], Fax: [phone]

Subsidiaries:

Rio Tinto's subsidiary Kennecott was fined for illegally mining
uranium in the Loxicha region in southern Mexico's Oaxaca state. Its
license was canceled (in 2001). Under Mexican law, uranium extraction
and processing is the sole prerogative of the state. Kennecott
carried out surface exploration and drilling on three concessions in
Oaxaca, named Elvira I, II and III until October 1999. (unomásuno,
Dec 18, 2001) Source.

Kennecott Exploration was the subsidiary responsible and continues to
have links with the state government of Oaxaca and Ulises Ruiz Ortiz.

For a brief detail, in Spanish, of Kennecott's past record in Oaxaca,
Mexico: ¡Urgente! Confirman exploración de uranio en Loxicha.

Main corporate office:
Kennecott Exploration
224 N 2200 W
Salt Lake City, UT 84116
Tel. [phone]
Fax [phone]

USA / Mexico office: (outside of Tucson, AZ)
Kennecott Exploration
10861 N Mavinee Dr # 141
Oro Valley, AZ 85737
Tel. [phone]

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Continuum Resources Ltd., a Canadian mining corporation, which "holds
in excess of 70,000 hectares of exploration ground in the state of
Oaxaca, Mexico. Included in the property portfolio are two of the
most significant past-producers of gold and silver in southern
Mexico: the San Jose epithermal silver-gold deposit and the Natividad
epithermal gold-silver deposit." Source: Continuum corporate site.

Management:
* Greig Hutton, P.Eng President, Director
* Lawrence A. Dick PH.D., P.GEO., Vice President Exploration, Director
* Raul Diaz Unzueta Director General, Mexico
* Robert G. McMorran Chief Financial Officer, Director
* Warren McIntyre Corporate Secretary, Director

Corporate address:
1200 - 1188 West Georgia Street
Vancouver, B.C. V6E 4A2
t. 604.629.0000
f. 604.669.2960
info@...

Continuum is also linked through its San Jose-Taviche mine to Foruna
Silver Mines Inc., another BC, Canada based company:

Fortuna Silver Mines Inc.

Corporate Address:
355 Burrard Street, Suite 840
Vancouver, British Columbia
Canada V6C 2G8

Telephone:
604 484-4085 ext. 232

Fax:
604 484-4029

Management:
Jorge A. Ganoza Durant, B.Sc. Eng.: President
Luis Ganoza Durant, B.Sc., MBA, M.Sc.: Chief Financial Officer
Jorge R. Ganoza Aicardi, B.Sc. Eng.: VP Operations
Thomas I. Vehrs, Ph.D.: VP Exploration
Simon Ridgway, Chairman: Director
Peter Thiersch, M.Sc., P.Geo.: Director
Mike Iverson: Director
Tomas Guerrero Méndez, Eng.: Director
Sally Whittall: Corporate Secretary

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Other corporations involved in Oaxaca through Plan Puebla Panama
(source):

International Paper
Global Headquarters
6400 Poplar Avenue
Memphis, TN 38197
901-419-9000

Boise Cascade
1111 West Jefferson Street
P.O. Box 50
Boise, ID 83728
phone: [phone]

International Paper Company and Boise Cascade are currently
purchasing land in Chiapas and Oaxaca, Mexico for plantation forestry.

ENDESA (a Spanish corporate utilities group) is the principal
investor in the regional energy interconnection initiative to
privatize energy and develop hydroelectric dams.

ENDESA, S.A. Headquarters:

C/ Ribera del Loira, 60
(Campo de las Naciones)
28042 Madrid
Spain

Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Harken Energy, Applied Energy Services Corporation(AESC), Duke
Energy, and Montgomery Watson Harza (MWH) are all U.S. energy
corporations that are investing from Mexico to Panama in the
development of hydroelectric dams and the privatization of the energy
grid.

Harken Energy is also known due to a scandal involving then corporate
officer George W. Bush in an incident of insider trading, just before
the company stock lost a significant amount of value. Headquartered
in Southlake, TX, Harken Energy continues to have close connections
with George W. Bush's White House.

Harken Energy Corporate Office:
180 State Street, Ste. 200
Southlake, TX 76092
Phone: [phone]

Applied Energy Services (AES) has a record of flagrantly violating
air pollution standards and fixing energy markets by withholding
supply and gouging prices. Class-action lawsuits have been filed
regarding price gouging and withholding supply in California.

AESC Corporate Office:
250 Chaddick Drive
Wheeling, IL 60090
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Duke Energy, headquartered in Charlotte, NC, is fast becoming a mega-
utility by acquiring smaller utilities and power facilities. It is
closely linked to Plan Puebla Panama.

Duke Energy Corporate Office:
526 South Church St.
Charlotte, NC 28202-1904
[phone]

Other investors include Tribasa, Caros, GAN, ICA, Imbursa, Texas
Connection, International Shipholding Corporation, Monsanto, Shell,
Dow Chemical, Exxon, Shell, and Hutchinson Holdings.

[Wiley50]

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[EFerrari]

148. John Gibler just reported pretty much the same thing we found

on Saturday night. Amy Goodman had him on her show this morning.

Well done, DUers!

:kick:

[EFerrari]

149. Kicking for mi pueblo.

Over the weekend, I talked to my mother about Oaxaca. She said

"YOU KNOW THAT WHEN THE MEXICAN PEOPLE REVOLT, THINGS MUST BE TERRIBLE. BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY SWEET AND RESPECTFUL OF CUSTOM AND IT TAKES VERY BAD BEHAVIOR TO MAKE THEM SPEAK OUT."

What you said, Mom.

:kick:

[lonestarnot]

150. Your Mom is right! and what you both said!

[John Q. Citizen]

151. A kick for Oaxaca!